i am afraid that at full capacity at other nuclear power plants, are there still reserves that are not used? no , we do not currently export the full base load, this is also clear, and on the other hand, if we talk about exports from the european side, there are restrictions on exports, taking into account that that this is a new player on the european market and it is quite cheap. yes, it is more than competitive, and in this case the markets themselves from the side of the european markets and the restrictions we have with us for today. well, it works with one block, then with two blocks, atomic ones generally work generation is at the level of 7-8 units, therefore, within the framework of the system's transition into the heating season, we will need these six units at the gas station, and it is already very difficult to talk about the export potential, even at the peak at the

moment of consumption, we may need to import electricity from europe, so today we have a certain balanced situation, even in the absence of blocks of electricity, but on the other hand, taking into account the growth of consumption, we may have certain problems during the heating season of season n, the minister would like to clarify for the installation what our situation is with the current agreements with the russian federation in the atomic sphere, and in our case, we absolutely have certain critical points today regarding the operation of heating blocks built in soviet times, after all there are spare parts, after all, there is solid nuclear fuel , which is used today from the side and

received its time from the side of the russian federation, after all, it is a very problematic moment, uh, considering the fact that there are certain reserves from the other side we understand that getting these critically needed elements there will be a huge problem in the near future, and therefore in this case there is again a separate question and how we will continue to operate our nuclear plants. how quickly we can ensure the replacement of the necessary facilities and necessary elements and again within the framework of this to act in contracts but it is clear, let's ask for help. we have terrorists, taking into account the fact that they will use weak points at the worst

time for us and to understand what our perspective is, it asked a very critical question, which, unfortunately, we still have one thing that has not been worked out very well, the americans , the french or the british will be able to help there in the current situation, well, we can't hang on the hook of the russian nuclear power plant. well, we hung on his russian nuclear power plant. there was more than that, the westinghouse assembly is also at the gas station and as far as the information is available, the russians are very actively studying these assemblies today in order to get certain know-how. and this is a very high -tech industry and very specific reactors that we have all those who operate the vyverov and new atomic blocks that were

built by ros atom abroad, and they understand that there is a certain dependence on ros atom, and that, accordingly, the position that we are in a certain dependence has been observed in our country even since in the 14th year, there were certain e-e initiatives to reduce this dependence. at the same time, they were insufficient, and therefore it is absolutely correct to talk about the need to find alternative e-e sources of supply, and this should be done in a very, very active mode, taking into account that that the risk is one hundred percent, and again, if you look at the historical nuclear power industry, it was always under quotation marks , it was so critical and so tried. well, never bring it to the outside as an argument in any conflicts .

to start a conversation about nuclear blackmail before, even during military operations, these objects were always kept behind the quotes, understanding what a risk they are here. thank you, mr. ministers, for this honest conversation on the live air of the espresso tv channel oleksiy orgel, minister of energy and environmental protection of ukraine at 19-20 worked together with us for years. well , we're moving on. it's 10:35 a.m. borkovsky is coming with you at this hour of the day. well, let's talk a little bit about the perikaryotic topic on another current, so to speak in particular, about what is happening with gas, not oil , in the european union, in particular, because of the fact that france and germany, the countries of western europe, are now thinking about how to change their approach to nuclear, in particular, power plants, for a longer time,

with great caution treated and even limited their construction, now the discussion has turned in a completely different direction, but less so, the real gas issue is the stoppage of the nord stream and the signal of the big seven about limiting the price of russian oil, we will talk about this with agia zagreb lawyer, state representative of the antimonopoly committee of ukraine from the 15th to the 19th year. hagia, congratulations and glory to ukraine. congratulations to the heroes. glory to the heroes. gas gas gas is storming the gas market in the european union. god forbid, i had to buy more, at what approximate price, how would it be better to do it? well, in general, our situation is the same with the gas, oil and gas monopolist, and

at the same time with its distribution networks in places a at what price we may have to buy , no one knows, because in fact, today it is a secret to what level the price of gas can rise , the whole world holds its breath every time the stock exchanges open now, and the further it goes, the more it can be. today, the price is already 10 times higher times than it was last year, and this is still far from the limit. and what about our oil and gas monopolist in ukraine? well, we know. even if there was no direct leadership . it is written in the statutory documents, but today it is carried out by oil and gas on the part of the state, and therefore, accordingly, it is the responsibility of our state bodies, property management bodies and so on, whether he will cope with this challenge, we will see each other in time,

because it is difficult to make any predictions today, but we can definitely see what is certain and such shortcomings in the work of the state monopolist, including this can be seen from the default of the latter and from certain inconsistencies between the position of naftogaz and the position of the government regarding the past mistakes of naftogaz when all they talked about the fact that we should not bury money in asphalt, but buy gas while it is cheap naftogaz insisted that the price of gas will be even lower, and we remember in the end at what price we were forced to buy this gas in a separate period, will it be the same now does naftogaz know any other options for the question, let's see, moreover, i understand that there is a certain hope both on the part of naftogaz and on the part of the authorities that we will be saved by our western partners, including the united states, but how was she not so self-confident here because on today, a significant part of the american resource goes to europe, and because europe today is a

land that is necessary, and there were promises from the biden administration and towards europe that they would supply europe with gas, accordingly, for them , today it is uh-uh such uh-huh is in the first place provision of these needs in relation to our distribution networks, well, we know that today these networks are transferred to naftogaz, and one by one, we see the permits, what are the identities of the monopoly committee, will naftogaz cope with their management. i think that on this is the heating winter period, more or less, it is possible, it is real. well, i mean those networks that belonged to ether and shu, and some of the networks that were. also, kurchenko has been taken away in the past periods and so on, but for the future, i don't think that this is a viable model, the more so because it contradicts the rules of the european union, which state that one entity cannot combine several such areas of activity in its work, especially if this entity is a monopolist, if it is also engaged

in mining and all other functions that lie on oil and gas, respectively, in the future, most likely , this model will have to be revised or these networks will be given to private hands through a competition or auction, or to some other state enterprise that will not be related to oil and gas. in one of his last interviews with interfags, he noted in particular that as of the end of august, 13 billion cubic meters of gas had been stored in the underground gas storages of ukraine until october 15, according to ominous forecasts according to calculations, it will be about 14.5 billion with such reserves to really get through a mild winter, since today gas consumption has decreased significantly , he said

. by the accumulation of gas in ukraine and, in principle , european countries also signal that they have accumulated about 80% of the necessary planned, as i understand it, immediately after this statement and the price of gas at the end of august, at least wholesale, decreased somewhat, and this psychological threshold of 3,000 was actually above the real price, it seems , on august 28. er blackmail with gas and again even statements er medvedev in particular about doomsday for europe, in case it still works or do we see that in practice it is no longer implemented looking at what we have in mind, does it work if we talk about what is this is being forced

by the european union and european leaders countries to think about concessions to putin. i think not. and does this force them to make concessions to putin? absolutely not, because all these measures that they will consider today are considered to reduce the pressure on prices and on the population because of this and on governments, respectively. and none of them are related to any concessions from russia, that is, there are no concessions from russia on the table at all. that is, no one is even required to put them forward, so it does not work in this part . that is, we we have to understand that all this optimism that we are talking about today is 80% and so on, it will allow europe a-a more or less more or less and take it easy in the winter if the temperatures are very warm and if the temperatures are moderate or cold in

europe we will have to go for two very painful steps on the one hand, and this too, are they already planning to do today, september 9, they plan to consider this issue first, what are their names, some western journalists are not a sexual step . of industry - this is a certain distro where industrialization even today is said because a number of factories are being closed, on the other hand, these are certain restrictions for the population and in terms of temperature and other eh for some greeks that they always had there. for example, baths that will be excluded and saunas in germany for the winter, and some other facilities that they had before this, but which they will be forced to give up. but in principle, the european population perceives this as normal, and understanding that the ukrainians suffer much more, and the second the negative step that they will have to resort to is additional taxes. they don't call

them taxes, they take them into account in such a formulation as limited prices, but in fact it is an additional tax for energy companies, which at that time earned excess profits, and this will also apply to green electricity, which is cheaper in terms of cost accordingly, it has a higher margin of atomic energy and coal and possibly some other companies so that we cannot withdraw the profits from the company and direct them to targeted assistance to the population or business and why are these also negative steps, why is the name hidden because many countries of the european union, their leaders of their governments, promised their businesses that no, about what kind of tax increase in this period, and you cannot, accordingly, it is a certain violation of their promises, so they even try to play with wording in order to make it not so clear that it is actually a question of raising taxes. and in addition to this, on the table is the question of a possible and real limitation of prices for russian gas. something

like a limitation of prices for russian oil, which jason applied the countries, but in this part they have very complex discussions, it is very difficult to implement, there is a very high risk that russia will completely stop supplying gas to all gas pipelines , including the ukrainian lawn, in the event that such a step is implemented, so i would talk about that this is more of a step that is being discussed than in the previous two, which are already almost a solution. oh yes. well, if in germany they are preparing to close baths and saunas in the winter, it is actually an extremely telling step, but we should close it, because don't let it. god, the winter will be cold, god forbid, something in oil and gas will not work out for our little one. well, let’s take some not too good scenarios, and we understand that the union, for example, would be ready to help us, i don’t even know, on some credit

conditions with gas. well but different options are possible, so to speak, we should have by analogy with the european union considering that we are already a-a candidate almost a candidate for the european union - a candidate for the members of the european union considering that we are part of them, we can simply copy those measures which they introduce, first of all, of course, we must have a ready plan and how we will disconnect and whom in the event of a deficit. that is, it must be an agreed action plan, which must be communicated to the industry, which must be known to all regional leaders so that everyone in their own i already knew what would happen when certain indicators of gas reserves were reached or when there were other problems in the energy sector. the second is the list of restrictions that the european union applies today . it is known, that is, on the one hand, this restriction temperatures in the premises, on the other hand, it is prohibited, and the lighting of individual objects

starting at a certain hour, and then fines for entrepreneurs who heat the premises leaving the doors open. i.e. certain co-financing together with the state. that is, there are a number of measures that we can take and copy regarding which businesses we will have to close or limit. the plan from which i started, what we have to work out. from the point of view of the economy of ukraine, in what sequence and who should be disconnected first. that is, these are the steps we have to take now. well, of course, everyone should think about himself, how he will warm himself in case of because just the gas shortage, you absolutely correctly remembered the words of makogon about our reserves, that the gas shortage is not exactly such an acute problem for ukraine,

although it may be for us. rather, there are problems on the islands, or again? what was makafon talking about, that we are not we can predict where putin can direct his missiles and not always. unfortunately, we can shoot them down, even the israeli missile defense system gives an efficiency of 97%. therefore, accordingly, if an attack is made on some important energy infrastructure, it may happen that it will be very difficult for us to quickly deal with it, and everyone in their place, everyone in their homes should be ready for the fact that for a few days he may have to somehow warm himself i.e. everyone should have the same plan of action ready as you of the state, that is, how the state should prepare these plans. yes , and everyone is forced to use them. i have this feeling that our glorious trees, forests and parks have disappeared. well, let's hope so, let's hope

that it won't happen. well, it's just for the sake of fairness. it is appropriate to note this topic, do you remember one of the last times when we met in the company of vitaliy shabunin from the central committee of the communist party of ukraine, we talked about why there is no confiscation of levies in favor of the ukrainian state of assets and those finances that it is possible to recover from the assets of russian citizens in ukraine, and literally on september 1, 2022, the panel of judges of the higher anti-corruption court fully satisfied the claims of the ministry of justice, which were sorely lacking for a long time, and made a decision to charge the assets of a russian citizen to state income, which by decree of the president of ukraine sanctions have been imposed, we are talking about the oligarch volodymyr yevtushenko, eh well, as they say, they started. so we finally started. and please tell me if this can be

considered a precedent and if the scheme according to which we are now it is absolutely legal and le well, we can collect russian funds for the benefit of the state and it will be used more and more. and i first wanted to congratulate the espresso tv channel on this because you very actively covered this topic and a large part of this victory is also your merit. therefore, thank you, but here but here you need to understand that this is not such a direct victory, because this is a drop in the ocean, this is so far only one russian oligarch, and his assets, and they are actually hundreds. and that is, it is not even hundreds. i would say probably thousands of these assets russian a-a subjects subject to action and not subject to action that are in ukraine and with which we need to work. this is of course a precedent. that is, it is a confirmation that the adopted law absolutely works and there are no problems. we of course expect

that an appeal will be filed and we will see how the appeal will be considered after of this after the appeal that this decision must be implemented, we will see again how the state will implement it, but this is the first stage in the law, as we can see from this example, it is working, there are certain shortcomings in addition to the fact that the state does not apply it. that is, this is one case in ah, more or less two months of the law and almost the seventh month of the first full-scale invasion, the second drawback is that the court sessions on this matter are closed, and this is bad. moreover, he relied on the closed sessions and asked for this just right for himself when they asked the ministry of justice, that is, it is not clear to me what could be so closed from the human eye at these meetings, considering that we are talking about a pro-russian sub- sanctioned subject and today each of us risks or lives to defend our own country and accordingly, we have every right to know what is

happening because the paradox is that the russian oligarch knows about it, the lawyers of the russian oligarch know about it, the ministry of justice knows, the judge knows, and the citizens don't seem to need to know. excuse me, what kind of secrets can russians know? but it is impossible to know to ukrainians, that is, i believe that the meetings should be open and whether this shortcoming should be resolved. thirdly, this is the closure of other information. for today, we know that many registers are closed in our country. justifications for the fact that if this information is open, the enemy can get to it and get some profit from it, but unfortunately this has the reverse side of the coin, that is, today we are deprived of the opportunity to check whether all russian assets or all assets, more precisely, of this subject for the example of yevtushenkov, they were indeed arrested, they were charged as part

of this confiscation procedure, which passed and will also apply to all other oligarchs , accordingly, this information must be disclosed because otherwise, civil society simply will not be able to check whether the officials hid some assets and simply did not bring it to court, an extremely important topic. thank you, mrs. zagrebelska , for actively monitoring and working on this extremely difficult front. she worked live on the espresso tv channel. well, in general, she does extremely important work . let's talk about oil and gasoline . dmytro lyashkin, director of the prime company group, dmytro, congratulations and glory to the heroes of ukraine . good day. well, they say that they will introduce an increase in the excise tax on fuel, with which we congratulate you, so live your life. as far as i understand, it will be easier and

more fun. yes this question was about the time of the tax refund - it didn't cause any surprise there, this should have remained and this is only the beginning , and the vat will be returned a little later, i think from the beginning of the following year how it can be reflected in general, these days for fuel well, it is directly proportional to understand that the fuel market has two goals: the wholesale wholesale price and the retail price of the finished price , they will react instantly, this is a plus 4 uah 25 4 uah 50 kopecks somewhere on the market, well, it depends on some small factors, but in general it is proportional to the excise tax itself, which increases by 100 € per 1000 l, it is difficult to calculate, and the other price is the retail price - these are the prices on the shelves, and it seems that

these are the ones that bother the consumer more, these prices will be higher a little later, they will react because there is such uh, what, uh, the remainders in the network of gas stations that were already purchased in the period before the excise tax will be at a much cheaper price, and until the replacement of cheaper resources with more expensive resources in their tanks will happen. therefore, these prices of gas station assets will react with some delay. i believe that this is due to within the framework of one or two weeks, it will happen, so everyone needs to prepare for the increase in prices on gas station shelves, this is understandable because it is an increase in the cost price and here we are not in this way to influence this issue, it cannot be a skyrocketing price jump no it's not a big deal, the vaccine discovered it, maybe you'll help us a little bit by the drop in the price of copies of oil on the

world market, maybe it will happen, er, there is such hope. that's why it's possible that the prices on gas station shelves will not increase proportionally by uah 4, maybe they are there somewhere by uah 2-3 it will increase because some part of the growth will be eaten by the drop in oil prices in the world market. well, i think that it is not so extravagant there , and something like that if you need to worry a lot. and what is your optimism based on? regarding the fall of oil quotations in europe in particular, well, you understand, i am observing the issues being observed in the international world market. i see that there is now a very big effort by the united states of america, europe, to reduce

the cost of oil, to reduce the anticorruption of oil, because they also see it as one of the na- one of the attempts to fight there somehow with russia because the reduction in the price of eee oil for gas is very painful for the economy of the aggressor and if i believe that you and the information that comes in that the livestock of the guardianship is increasing is increasing first of all, all the information that was available the day before , members of the gas storage in europe are already 80% full , and europe can already go through the winter, the winter heating period without any very big questions, this is the work that is working to reduce hacking

and this information fund. demarcates or something more. you are working to reduce the management of pvt, but i would like to ask you what was the secret of the stability of the neck, i do not know the oil and gasoline sphere, so because, well, the putinists actively aimed and tried to destroy everything that is called oil refining and so on. well, they achieved certain bloody successes in this, but still it did not fall to what extent we have now recovered from that previous shock when the russians deliberately aimed at everything that was burning oil refineries and so on. now we are already different. e ways are filled with the market, it is no longer the same, it is not the same, it is not the same logistics, it is not the same market as it was on the eve of the

war, it is already different. e is processed into the mini-intezas that were allowed to work are even worse, which when it is domestic, it is native , because we cannot produce a good product at domestic refineries now, because the kremenchug nz as you know , it has withstood many missile attacks and it no longer works how about bilinskyi, well, the state is responsible for the development of the refinery, and it is also that now only small ntzs and samovars are not working, so to speak, they are currently processing oil, which is their own production, but it is there, it also needs to be processed, it is also the only market in ukraine and how it goes is another question, but it also works for ukrainian energy security, and hmm 90%.

well, maybe 85% is already the supply, the actual supply, the network and the gas station that bought the car from the warehouse, and they were the ones who supply the carcasses, the fuel from europe already gives us optimism, because the security of the country is now safe in our country, thank god , thanks in particular to your efforts, dmytro lyovushkin , yes, with our joint collective efforts, dmytro lyovushkin, director of the prime company group, works for you dear tv viewers, in particular, he is engaged in such an important topic as gasoline. well, thank you for participating in the live broadcast. it's news time on the espresso tv channel . our colleague anzhelika sezonenko will present an information issue. congratulations once again and we invite colleagues to speak. i also congratulate you . thank you once again for your quality and professionalism