conversations with you. thank you very much. we have to pass the word now, but i am sincerely grateful to you for taking part in this difficult discussion, in particular. thank you to liza yesko and maria ionova to the people's deputies of ukraine. it will be in 25:20... i want to expel this fool from our earth five three two one fire more than 100 talented

sportsmen and sportsmen more than 100 glorious ukrainian men and women took their lives russia will not forgive we honor everyone and we win everyone for the sake of your memory, angels of sports, angels of ukraine, the 194th day of heroic resistance of the ukrainian

people to the russian occupiers continues for your attention news espresso works in the studio anzhelika sezonenko russian invaders of the past day released more than 100 ammunition on the border territories of the sumy oblast , the head of the regional military administration, dmytro zhivytskyi, fired mortars in the bilopol community, a private house and a power line were damaged there, and during the night, firecrackers hit khotynska and myropil a in the morning, they started in ginsky and in the middle of butskyi, there is no information about the dead or injured , the situation with peat fires around kyiv is under the control of rescuers, the state emergency service has assured about this, now in the capital there is a lot of smoke in the air, currently peat fires are happening in vyshgorodskyi and brovarskyi districts the elimination of the fire is ongoing. however, the situation is complicated by the seasonal phenomenon of meteorological haze. the kmda

reminds that in the event of smoke, it is necessary to keep the windows closed and turn on the air conditioning system. and cleaning the air, drink a lot of water and do wet cleaning. the last hero at the zaporizhzhia npp, only two representatives of megathem remained, four other inspectors went to nuclear power plants. those who remained were informed about this at the nuclear power plant. those who remained plan to stay at the gas station on a permanent basis. at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant on september 1, they communicated with the plant workers only in the presence of the russian military and representatives of the rosatom according to the results of the visit of the general director , megatera-falgrosi, he stated that the physical integrity of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant was violated in several places, and the official report will have to wait

for six months of the war. living together in germany, how do our compatriots live there now? olga dutkovska says that the dormitories have become a temporary home for ukrainians who were forced to seek refuge from the war in germany. i was lucky to settle in a separate house, but most refugees have to get used to conditions in which they have not lived before. we live in a dormitory as a family. there are three of us , a husband, i go and children. the room has a bath, or rather a shower, a toilet and a refrigerator. the kitchen is separate along the corridor and the kitchen - the laundress is also separate from the conditions of mrs. larisa, she is satisfied, she says everywhere is clean and pleasant, the woman is full of gratitude to the germans because she

did not count on special support. the child has already said why we go outside to the side they are shooting at and that is why i left i saved the child's psyche hanna lived with her son and daughter in a refugee camp, they recently managed to move to a separate house, the conditions are quite good, the camp employees provide everything necessary for a temporary stay, there are bathrooms and showers outside the building, there are common areas, which was a certain problem for mothers with small children and , er, for people with disabilities, mr. yuriy, who has been in germany since april, is not very satisfied with the camp, although he emphasizes there are facilities everywhere. the refugee lived in the gymnasium for the first month because the camp was overcrowded. and now the room is accepting more people than planned.

well, that’s the way it should be. let’s allow one person to live there . two men live there. and five and six live, well, if you are full a little, the camp is carefully guarded, outsiders will not be able to enter the territory of the camp, organized two meals a day, they eat breakfast and lunch; in the evening , a package of products is issued with which you can have dinner there are all kinds of masks there, uh, well, i don’t know there, chocolate, butter, what else is there, well, curds, well, in principle, it’s fine, but i share their shortcomings, the food on the territory of the camp is not designed for small children, and cooking food in the rooms is it impossible somewhere on the territory of the camp, let’s move on - in this dining room, then

in the kitchen, and the kitchen is in the building where the arabs live, the mess is complete, unsanitary there, you can earn any kind of stick, well, like bringing an infection . bavaria has not accepted our refugees for several months, so only ukrainians can stay here whose relatives settled in this region earlier, or resettlers who managed to negotiate housing, all others are taken by bus to other countries where there are fewer refugees olga here from germany for the tv channel espresso in the polish city of kielce , the international exhibition of the defense industry started this year, the jubilee event is taking place for the 30th year in a row the organizers say that the exhibition is a record-breaking one, what will be presented at the exhibition will be told by maria chernyakhivska. she is with us in direct communication, maria. congratulations to you, a word to you. congratulations to my colleague indeed, this year the exposition is a record 600 companies

from 30 countries of the world presented their equipment, the largest equipment here is from turkey, poland and the united states of america. but there is equipment presented by four companies from ukraine behind my back. money in a record three days, also at the exhibition , in particular, there is a lot of heavy weapons on the street, there are bmps and armored personnel carriers and various modern military vehicles and rotorcraft right now in those minutes, the president of poland, angers and duda, is visiting the exhibition. before that, he had a say in his speech. he mentioned ukraine in particular and emphasized that now military equipment and military weapons are very important for poland, in particular because of the situation in ukraine. ukrainian

volunteers were also invited to the event so that they could directly conclude contracts with companies colleague maria thank you very much maria chernyakhivska joined from poland, in particular from the polish city of kielce, where the international exhibition of the defense industry began. and we we are moving on, the ukrainian military is successfully deploying a counteroffensive not only in the south, but also in the east, this is stated in the daily summary of the institute for the study of war with data from american analysts, our soldiers are advancing in several directions in the western part of the kherson region and have gained a foothold on the territory beyond the seversk donets river in the donetsk region, the speed of the counteroffensive will change dramatically from day to day as ukrainian forces try to deprive the russians of supplies, destroy their command posts and weaken morale, experts say throughout the day explosions rang out in the kherson region, russians

launch rockets, the air force says that in the president's office, part of the region is out of power, the connection and the internet disappear. however, the armed forces of ukraine are close . through a dream through a dream kherson laughs at me this dream this dream does not leave me through a dream through a dream kherson does not wait glory to ukraine, the hero thank you to our defenders for such a greeting directly to the residents of kherson oblast who are waiting for them and we wish success to our defenders in the counteroffensive and a speedy

victory with this, i conclude the issue my colleagues will continue the live broadcast of espresso in a few washes, watch espresso news and euro espresso programs for ukrainians on air on our channel of refugees in europe, a joint broadcast with the atf channel, radio svoboda programs , voice of america time-time programs, the inclusion of public television journalists, bbc news ukraine and france 24 news programs, as well as the broadcast of information the only news of the marathon is the only news together we are the power glory to ukraine some creatures are surprised by the toilet in the house and we from ukraine can insure cars even if you are in the

toilet hotline finance insurance of course online more than 140 days without days off behind the wheel more than 50 thousand kilometers driver maksym transports, loads and transports again every day and every day he says i am not tired of defending ukraine or two thousand kilometers along the front line, the commander of a

reconnaissance group with the call sign manol risks his life every day and every day he says i am not tired i am not tired protect ukraine. greetings, nothing new. it's monday 12-12, usual time, usual tv channel espresso, which means that my name is yuri fizer and you are watching the program "world during the war" on our tv channel every week. i invite guests to my place with whom i discuss issues that are sometimes difficult for me to perceive and maybe i am asking them questions in order to hear from them a fat-professional answer to them , eh, before introducing my first guest , i want to remind you once again that you can watch us, obviously, on the air of the espresso tv channel at least where it has not been turned off, as well as on social networks and in particular on youtube, those who watch us on youtube and those who will watch after the broadcast , please like it. if you like this program, dislike it, if

you don't like it, although i would i would like you to like it more. well, write a few words about what you think about what we will discuss now, and those who would watch later discuss this is very important for us first of all, but it is also important for the promotion of our program on the youtube network well, let me introduce the first guest . viktor shlinchak , head of the board of the institute of world politics, joined me via skype. i congratulate you, mr. viktor. i congratulate you, mr. yurii. thank you for joining . well, they seem difficult to understand to me. well, explain in particular to our viewers as well. well, what will i talk more about with you, unfortunately? as much as i don't want it about russia, please tell me. last week, the levada center with russia made public it seems that

last week published a new survey. and according to this new survey, 76% of citizens believe that a so -called special military operation is being carried out on the territory of ukraine, and this is only 4% less than it was in march, in march they supported 80 %. viktor, you explain to me this is some kind of surrealism . in the russian federation, these are precisely the people who are focused on the television that ukrainians spit on, according to these people. as we say now, we need to make a clear diagnosis, they are

really addicted to propaganda, they are focused on propaganda, and they are for the most part , these are people who have very little understanding of the truth , they rarely go to the internet, as indicated by other studies, for example, show that about 70% of russians very rarely focus on news from the internet, and i think that we will soon of this number let's get there, because there are still five or six percent who support the russian aggression against ukraine . they are still the ones who still use the internet. i think that if there is a month or two , we will reach this threshold 70% of it will definitely be imposed exclusively on tv users. and

we understand that russian tv is the kind of porridge that the kremlin is building for its uh, wards, well , you know that kind of porridge . it's a great pity that this porridge is on it is a great pity, because, unfortunately, he later supports what putin and his posipaks are doing in ukraine. look, you know earlier yesterday, and it was precisely because of this that, for example, before the war, they pointed out what the difference between ukraine and russia is, er, russia. if you show three months tv on their tv that ukrainians have become brothers and that they are no longer nationalists and fascists, but they are wonderful people. i think that the same 70%

will start to believe in this in three months, but instead, the ukrainian mentality is aimed at that that we always question any information and what is written in online publications and what is given on forums and what is successful in telegram channels and on tv, respectively, ukrainians will search for information and will dig for some truth and that's it mahrova propaganda is not really going around here, and i think that this is exactly the difference between ukrainians and russians, and as you said, it is very good that we are now filtering this information, because at the beginning of the war, i remember that everyone read it very often internet telegram channel and trusted these telegram channels enough and saw that not everything is to be believed and that's what you say, we are now filtering it, the russians, unfortunately, do not read telegram, or viber , not viber. e channels, and even more so, plus, in

addition, these are russian propaganda tv channels , which you have already mentioned, and it is a great pity that we have what we have. victor passed away yesterday . putin's spokesman dmitry peskov said this not yesterday. putin's dmitri peskov said that in the interview moscow, in addition to putin, putin said that putin putin is not against negotiations with ukraine, but he made one amendment that uh, hmm, how should the condition be, how will kyiv fulfill moscow's conditions, before they said that that the special operation will continue the so-called special operation will continue until the previously set goals and it was first the liberation of the entire donbas , now the return of some, in their opinion, former russian cities, now i don't know why they are starting to talk about it again about reunification

to renew the negotiations, but at the same time they somehow sidestep that this is not our initiative , it should be zelenskyy who has to say it, and after that he has to make some concessions to the kremlin. let's talk about this more thoroughly , because it is really important, there are two components here the first component is tactical because the russians are really now interested in and there will be some kind of tactical pause along the entire front line, they need to regroup, they need to strengthen, and they need to use this time to organize re-offensive or re-offensives on the front line, they are really exhausted a little, and in the technical plan too, they need to build up their forces from the other side, er, there is an ideological component in all these statements of piskov, because they need to

send their society, the russian society, several thesis for those who doubt, they need to send the thesis that we are not yet losing in such a situation that it is profitable for us to do such tactics for those who advocate a sharper, sharper offensive, such as those people who are listening this is a message about what is necessary, that we reserve the possibility of further aggression with reinforcement, and for those who do not want war, they also have such a message that russia is theoretically ready for some kind of dialogue, that is, they are also working on their audiences considering the fact that there is really a threat of a decrease in the number of supporters of the so

-called special operation, and in fact the war in ukraine, hm. i understand that the kremlin is now facing a big dilemma, on the one hand, it is not like to allow any big losses there on the front line, well, like there, conventionally speaking, uh, khersonsky, on the other side. they are working to preserve the audience we talked about earlier, that is, de facto, they still want to preserve the majority that will support the actions of the russian authorities in ukraine, but do they want to do they want some of these negotiations not just to work on their internal audience? not just because there is something else there. but do they want to see? negotiations can be concluded only when we will definitely understand what it will be. there will definitely be an end to the war and that it will be security

for ukraine at the moment eh none of these factors are eh not true because we on the ukrainian side understand that eh in this case in this case russia is interested in talking about negotiations because she really wants what he already said. she wants a break in order to build up her forces, regroup and move on. that is, she does not refuse, which is confirmed. by the way, the american general also wants to resign, but it is not yet clear that putin has renounced his previous plans and he is definitely forced to retreat now, i.e. i think that this is an exclusive tactic in order to demonstrate, first of all, to internal audiences that they are ready for some kind of negotiations, but no more, that is, purely

situationally, as you say, tactics for this situation . and let's listen to one of putin's statements that he made last week. then i will ask him questions and our tasks. finally protect russia itself because on the territory of today's ukraine they began to create an anti-russian oncologist who threatens our country, therefore our guys who are fighting there protect the residents of donbass and protect russia itself , and it certainly deserves the support of the community, it is very important and from the side of young people, because the guys who fight there lose their health and many die, which means they must understand that they are giving their lives

because of accidental important things from russia and for the people who are in donbas что вот п виктор look at this, then he said it in kaliningrad at the first lesson in one of the local schools, and here he says that they are dying, they came, this may be evidence of such a statement, you know, such pseudo-patriotic indoctrination of young russians may indicate some kind of weakness of putin maybe he has some, we don't know, of course, but maybe he has some sociological data about the fact that he is real sociological data about the fact that he is losing support and that's how he pumps up and will travel around the regions this may indicate his weakness a-a i think this indicates that in russia they do not rule out the transition to general mobilization, that is, they are starting to ideologically hmm feed their russians with the fact that it is necessary to defend their

motherland and for what their sons died and so on, that is, now the thesis that was before is being twisted a little, and de facto now, putin is just trying to talk about the pike, and it seems to me that such information is the basis for later having this tool as in general mobilization e by the way, this is even in russian publications, i am forced to read them because of my work. i can already see how it went and there are a lot of reviews that many russians perceive it as a call to go and fight with ukraine, and i think that this is now starting to scare many people. despite the fact that earlier it was somewhere eh well, they thought that it

was somewhere far away, but now it is gradually approaching every russian family and it seems to me that this very awareness can change , including the picture in the heads eh those people who these, for example, six or seven percent that we talked about are still wavering. well, you really convinced me because, for example, this third army army corps, which, as they say , is now falling to the south of ukraine. there, i read and heard that the army corps has somewhere around 70-80,000 there must be soldiers, and in order for them to be collected, i don't remember exactly where near novgorod, they collected another 20-30 thousand. i guess this is evidence that what you are saying is that the russians do not want to go, despite all the agitation that is currently lead in russia, they don't want to sign up as volunteers for this so-called spetspiration, and that's probably why it's necessary to encourage them somehow , to pump them up politically, to push them to

go , and this is really true. it doesn't work, six months have passed, this thesis doesn't work at all, and now i'm sorry, putin , or putin's team is starting to resort to the same gas that hitler promoted in 1944, that is, de facto, when there were already not enough resources in in fascist germany, hitler began to proclaim approximately the same theses. hitler was recruiting 16-year-old boys to go to war with the soviet union. well, not only from the soviet union, that's why here . before that, you know

, propagandist solovyov, in one of his last broadcasts, again talk show broadcasts, he cried precisely about this, that oh god, they call us rashists oh god, they still call us something like that you showed this analogy really putin putler hitler it actually works viktor please tell me if there is a limit to putin's nuclear blackmail i personally will tell you right away and i, this one said on previous programs personally, i do not believe that he will, for example, resort to some kind of provocation at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant that he's just scaring us, but is there a limit to this blackmail, let's go back to march and april, the month when there was a de facto high probability that putin would not use tactical nuclear weapons for what purpose the united states of america, not only the united states of america and

great britain, gave an unequivocal signal that as soon as tactical nuclear weapons will be used, and that they will not be used for defensive purposes, it was probably in the first place that the weapons were not used by the aggressor country precisely for offensive purposes, so that contradictions any vines, and in principle this contradicts even the doctrine that is written in russia, so if this is done, then they will get putin even at a depth of 2 km in the bunker to which he can be evacuated and after that she left this one rhetoric on