that is, you can't end the war by half, you can't win by half, and there can be victory only for everything, for the entire ukrainian people , because well, if part of the territory there remains under occupation, then believe the occupied people who remained captive in that slavery that they are forced to when they are issued to them there, even there i saw summonses, i constantly hand out the army to someone, so, well, it will not be a full-fledged victory, thank you, thank you, mr. volodymyr, this is volodymyr nazarenko, a fighter of the freedom legion of the national guard of ukraine, who is currently fighting on daughters of daughters, good health, take care of yourself, and we are here, the program continues, our next guest is oleksandr mosienko, director of the center for military legal research, oleksandr. good day. good health. thank you for joining our broadcast. i congratulate you. good day, we have already started.

to speak with volodymyr nazarenko about the counteroffensive conducted by the armed forces of ukraine in the south and in the east, in the east they recaptured one settlement in the south, two settlements, but when we talk about the kherson region, it is about the south. the optimism that exists in society, which we try to demonstrate in social networks, we read about it, uh, the armed forces of ukraine are quite careful about it. the military leadership of ukraine is also talking about it. the leadership of ukraine calls on all citizens to wait for official information. military expert, it may be that the enemy will be bloodied in the kherson region and they will retreat, will be forced to retreat under the onslaught of the armed forces of ukraine and the battle of

kherson may not happen, they will simply leave kherson. because yesterday it was reported to the general staff in vecherny that in the kherson area, servicemen of the 127th regiment of the first army corps revolted and refused to fight because they were left without water. of occupied kherson and the occupied kherson oblast well, in principle, a few weeks ago i was talking about the fact that this scenario can be and it can be implemented, that in principle the next so -called goodwill gesture will be forced on the russians to demonstrate that now, if you look at the southern direction, if you look at the official statistics provided even by independent observers or independent agencies such as orix, the most famous others who estimate losses of military equipment from open

sources, they estimate that now, on average , there are no losses of russian equipment in the south per day make up 2031 with different if, for example, back in july or june they made up there three units five units one and so on what does this say this indicates that the intensity of the fire of ukrainian forces is growing, just as we see it from the reports that inform us of the general there or the operational command of the south e about e and in the same way we see from the local residents of the resistance movement who work and report about these explosions that are going on in warehouses throughout the temporarily occupied territory in the south well, we can see the photos of the antonov bridge, which were actively shared on the network yesterday after they were hit, according to which it is all unsuitable for movement. and the fact that the losses are increasing

means that the intensity of the fire is increasing plus we see that the ukrainian flag, uh, the ukrainian flags in the kherson region will be raised more, they will be restored, what does the departure mean ? well, you know, we should actually be interested to a lesser extent in what this means for putin and russian politics, because in fact putin himself is betrayed in everything. he, after all, started this full-scale war against ukraine without predicting all possible scenarios and made a number of serious mistakes, as well as an expression that i do not get tired of repeating, which was attributed to napoleon or his foreign minister telegrad not only him who was a minister for a long time. the transporter of the plans of france says that this is

not just a crime, it is more. this payback can be either in the loss of the political leadership of russia in other forms, because it will be under pressure from the owner of mistakes. it seems to me that it is already obvious, and they are always informational they will find a way to present it, they will say that they are never interested in the south, and in fact they were just there, well, they will come up with some reason why they were there in the south at this time, they will invent something russian propaganda about it, even if it is to tell, and they will say that their real goal is the east, they say about the fact that the south is supposedly demilitarized, they have nothing to do there, but the capture or release, as they call the unrecognized republics of donetsk luhansk in their editorial office. this was their

real goal, that's why they focus on this that is, they will invent something, they will come up with something that is obviously er-e to something well, let's say something can also happen in russian circles there and here are these premonitions here are these here is this information about the removal, and i think the removal itself from the leadership is a step aside from the public sphere, shoigu, who does not want to be associated with failures in the south, even kadyrov has already replaced his rhetoric, this chatter about the pseudo-heroism of his soldiers there, who have achieved a lot, replaced it with another one, which may be that he will have to rest because obviously, he feels how much trouble he has caused to the chechen people, and that, in principle, it will be difficult to stay in power there, and it will be necessary to go somewhere into the shadow, that is, certain processes already indicate that something can

happen besides the lily, and of course that they will come up with some versions. well, but while they are still we see uh they are resisting for the time being they are continuing hostilities but again, already with good will the so-called is quite probable by the way a few words i will say literally i looked closely today here are the statistics of oryx these are independent observers who they are monitoring what is happening with military equipment, an interesting feature is that 35 percent of almost all of the russian equipment that was destroyed is actually that 35% was either abandoned by the russians or captured by ukrainian forces and most of them are now used as trophies and there are occupiers, starting from the kyiv and chernihiv directions. and these statistics, these figures show that quite often indeed russian troops simply chaotically flee from their

nominal positions and even leave behind heavy equipment which then reaches our forces. well, a message appears from the russian federation. putin supported the idea of ​​reviving the movement of young naturalists , well, that is, there is a war going on, people are dying. he is playing with young naturalists there, but during the announcement of this, he did not say that in fact his the courage of the people of donbas who defend their republics on the front line is impressive, they fight better than professional soldiers, putin said well, in fact, this is completely inconsistent with what he told just a few minutes ago volodymyr nazarenko from the legion of freedoms, who is fighting in the donbas. he says that this one settlement that our military recaptured and volodymyr zelenskyi spoke about yesterday in his evening

address to non-citizens was actually held by these orcs from the pseudo-republic who were not quite sober and left their weapons . and they ran away, but putin is trying to show all this as, er, there is a certain movement for er, er liberation of donbas from, as he says , from the neo-nazi regime . a referendum on joining the russian federation was held in the kherson region, mr. oleksandr, can you explain what putin is counting on with such dislike for putin in general and hatred for putin in the southern regions, in particular in the kherson region, partisans where ordinary people where all conscious ukrainians are protesting against the russians

maybe not as it was at the beginning of the war, because people are being shot and the underground of the ukrainian underground is trying to destroy it. what are they counting on? people are completely different now regard both putin and russia. if you compare the sociological figures that were in 2008-9, where putin as a politician was liked by 45%, if i am not mistaken, and somewhere around 50% considered russia to be a kind of friendly country, nevertheless, things have changed putin does not feel this moment or does he think that by force he will be able to hold the same kherson region or part of the zaporizhzhia region, that he will have enough military bayonets to keep his representation or collaborators in these occupied territories, we are losing touch with reality

in fact, this must also be understood, and here the situation in which you understand, first of all, not only aa in kherson region or zaporozhye, but resistance movements have become active even in the occupied crimea, and for such citizens they have even created appropriate telephone numbers , e-e-mail, e-mail addresses and telegrams against where it is possible to report on the movement of russian equipment in crimea or on its bases, on the places of concentration of personnel and equipment of the enemy . apparently messages were received and even the president and other ukrainian military command structures spoke about it when they thanked crimea for the information received about russian

equipment and not only this is important. this means that the resistance movement is spreading as well as dissatisfaction with the actions of the occupiers and dissatisfaction actions of the russians, i will tell you that the awareness is obviously present. i don't know how much putin has, because it seems to me in some places that he resembles such a fanatic who somewhere in his non-imperialist marl starts losing touch with reality does not mean that he is completely insane, but it means that he is obsessed with some idea that prevents him from sobering up and realistically looking at the situation and thus conducting a normal, thorough, objective analysis of events, but if we look at that what is happening, for example , in the kherson region, at least three proposals have already been heard from the russian side from the occupiers, they threw it in through various combiners through other talking

heads who constantly do not get out there on russian propaganda talk shows and tell why did they lie, at first there was a working hypothesis that there was only there, russian troops appeared in the south and entered, they occupied kherson, they thought that a referendum should be held, similar to how they did it in donetsk luhansk, here are these pseudo-referendums and with the creation , accordingly unrecognized republics, then this changed because of the pressure of circumstances, the hostilities continued , and the russians were unable to capture mykolaiv, they were rejected, explosions began in chernobaivka, and some of these plans were postponed, and the idea to create they read history books that there was something like that. it seems that at the end of the 19th century and the administrative center was supposed to be in the occupied crimea, then this idea was abandoned and now they again

began to more actively discuss holding a referendum on the creation of an e of the republic and, accordingly, the annexation of the territory of the future, what was basically tested in the crimea is more like this, well, in principle, from what we see now, they are trying to propose there. this is solid communism, that is the russians are now trying to please and bribe the local population in some way, either by reducing prices or by arranging some fairs there or by arranging absolutely free services. then they began to bring some unknown artists there to perform some concerts and campaign for the referendum, well, there is no popular support mass, unfortunately, there is a small percentage of traitors and collaborators. well, it is like being present in any war, so it has always been and will be, but the majority of the population is waiting where

occupation and all this together, well, you understand, again, uh, we can see even from the frequency of the nature of the strikes of ukrainian forces, which is officially reported by the command of the south or genstadt, they obviously, uh, probably would not have hit military objects so accurately, if not caring citizens who, in particular, through resistance movements, in this way also help the armed forces to release them, so today, despite all these efforts , despite the fact that the working scenarios in russia are constantly changing, they still try there to conduct some kind of preparation and report on the fact that they are preparing for something there for some kind of referendum, but to me, frankly speaking, it is subjective. my opinion , taking into account everything that is happening, it seems that under these conditions, this referendum will simply be held. oleksandr, the former

commander of the ground forces of the united states of america in europe, retired lieutenant general ben hodges, believes that the military goals of the united states of america should include the imperialization of russia. he wrote on twitter that the military of the united states of america in this conflict has exactly the goals of predicting the implementation of russia's inter-realization day. it seems to me that we are seeing the beginning of the end of the russian federation in its current form. we must be ready for this. we were not ready for the collapse of the ussr. to say that earlier i talked about the fact that if vladimir putin does not come to terms with the defeat of his war army, then he will have a worse negotiating position, ukraine will be able to demand the liberation of crimea and donbass well, i see what you want, don't talk about well, he does not voice this thesis and does not repeat this thesis. and

now he is talking about the fact that it is necessary to put an end to the imperial ambitions of putin and russia. how should the world prepare for this, considering what happened in europe yesterday? when on the street and the czech republic and germany had pro-russian participants in rallies demanding that the czech republic and germany buy gas from russia in order for them to stop supplying weapons to ukraine, but in what way is the world supposed to come to the point that the empire of the russian federation should no longer to exist, well, first of all, i support this statement of the general, i agree that it is quite important. he must have partly covered the cards. how should this happen? when he said about the unrecognized transnistria,

moldova and ukraine can also unite in order to make efforts and stop there the existence of a russian military base and the russian military presence in general. i think that the same applies if we are talking about the implementation day, it also applies to georgia, where there are russian troops, it is absolutely the same relate, of course, to syria, where russia also entered well, let them say there at the invitation, but still the dictatorial government is not recognized, and the power of asid, and so on, and its overall reduction in the presence and elimination of this formation of the odkb and the organization of the treaty collective which well, in the principle of states of collective security which just unites belarus and russia and armenia and other countries well, and how should the world approach this? i think that the world is just, well, first of all, obviously,

our diplomats and we all have to make efforts on information space in order to explain to the citizens of the world that not everything is first measured only by the gas factor or the energy issue, because you know that russia will lose its influence due to the influence of gas or oil on europe, this is already an irreversible process, the germans are now building terminals for the reception of liquefied petroleum gas coal plants that were closed are opening gas, or discussing the return of nuclear power in the same way and looking for an alternative now , that is, it won’t last forever, and you have to understand that on today, the only irritant to a normal peaceful civilized life on our continent is russia, behind which, by the way , china is also watching, which is profitable to use russia, in

fact, somehow such a military military tyrant , they don’t need to fight, what if they use russia, which in in principle, from a military point of view, it irritates the west, fights against ukraine and tries to destroy the world order, that is, by all these signs, it is necessary for the world to understand that if there are any values ​​that were discussed, if they are at least worth something, then you have to fight for them today ukraine is fighting for it well, besides, you know that after putin said that they are fighting uh, it means an anti-russian enclave and not against an independent state, then i want to say next what for the world it is also necessary to understand that tomorrow putin will call lithuania an anti-russian enclave, the day after tomorrow poland, then estonia, then moldova, and so on and so on. that is, it is a rather dangerous trend when an independent sovereign state

is talked about as some kind of enclave against which one can even to declare a war officially and some special military operation tomorrow their ships will want er their landing, but their ships were present in large numbers in the adriatic sea, they will conduct an amphibious landing, for example , in croatia or once again er or will they go to slovenia , that is, they will announce them to some anti-russian enclaves and they will say that they are now protecting the interests of russia or something else can happen. that is, these are quite threatening trends. they are now turning on their entire agency, which consists of those whom they either gave money to open for political activity or disguised through their banks, or who were appointed to work in various supervisory boards, or who were corrupted by the gas issue, or those on whom they simply collected compromising material from different times, this is another with such

kadebian practices and everyone has now joined the work of organizing a -------------------------------------------------------------------------- it is predicted that the closer to winter, such phenomena can only deepen, but i do not see today that these factors are and by the way, what is interesting is that some agents apparently do not even try to hide and are already acting practically openly, i am alluding to the leader of the neighboring the only countries that went with us and to say goodbye to gorbachev yes and it would probably be great to meet and hold relevant meetings with the russian administration of hungary orban, that is, not even hiding, that is, to go there to hold meetings and we see a solution so far

, i have not seen any human change in policy or assessment of the exchange rate from european leaders or from european states, despite these rallies, which will take place. it is understandable. but for the world, this is also a reason to understand that the visa restrictions that ukraine will ask about are not just because here are these agents who are leaving prague and so on, quite a lot of them from russia entered on legal bases and they are now muddying the water there. by the way, will the world understand putin's role and will the world want to sit next to putin on the summit of the g20, it is donetsk, too, but the secretary of putin, pisku, has already said that there is an official invitation, but during the preparation , various factors will be taken into account, especially the security factor, we will hear from putin, rather piskov, about the fact that putin agreed to come to the g20 until the 20th that 2.5 months remain if

this is not too dangerous in the current situation in order to make a decision about the format of our participation, while there is an invitation at the highest level , for which we will recognize the country as the organizer of course, all factors, including the security factor, will be taken into account. of course, if putin does not want to be seen there, then the sand will say. well, the security factor did not allow our leader to go to the g20 meeting . when the leaders of the 20 largest countries, some of which communicate with putin and conduct business and do not introduce sanctions against the russian federation, when they will understand all the evil that the empire of the russian federation, led by putin, is bringing to the world. well

uh, you know, i think that we can't rule out that most of them understand it as it is, they just understand these uh, let's tell them that awareness of this evil does not stand in the way of solving their problems, which are related, for example, to buying now russian oil, which has become cheaper, or with economic ties, which, in addition, you understand. they also realize that now, against the background of the mykola sanctions, the opportunities for russian are also decreasing. they are trying to take advantage of this by buying some raw materials. it is cheaper starting from oil, ending with, for example, diesel so what did brazil buy well, for example, there or other countries well, they are also trying to make a profit from this at least somehow for their economies, that is, economism is included, well, you know, regarding the entire statement on piskov well, after that, i would be in the place of the organizers,

ukraine, etc withdrew such an invitation because well, if you are not sure that we cannot guarantee your safety. do you go, you do not have to go. if you do not trust the host country that it can provide security responsibilities there accommodation, organizational measures , and so on, according to the program, why do you agree, then there is no need to go anywhere, if the president of the united states or other leaders believe that the measures are appropriate at the appropriate level? and you? to worry so much if even the route airspace will run, as russian politicians say, over supposedly friendly countries, for example, asian or south or east asia, why worry so much or be in the country of indonesia? by the way, in principle, it is also one of the countries that i will stick here now against the background of a

full-scale russian invasion increased the purchase of russian oil well, because the price and they are one of the largest russian customers in this sense that there is no need to go, but it seems to me that now it is simply russia that will use somehow, this is a chance to demonstrate that they are not, as it were, in international isolation, nothing, their world really wants to see indonesia, other countries are invited, yes, even they are almost ah, well, you know , they are begging you to come, well, this is such behavior it was inherent in putin even before that he likes to show that he is important russia is important and without russia nothing in the world can happen, only he will obviously show the world something completely different , we have to finish excuse us, the time of the program is coming to an end thank you, oleksandr oleksandr musienko - director of the center for military and legal

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