they have already broken into the house to rape everyone and er, to loot and rob, and this is actually a very big problem. when we get to this limit , there will be some negotiations. obviously, they will be if even after the hague and the establishment of certain guarantees of the security of ukraine, how in general. what do you think in which how is it possible to live next to such a neighbor with whom we actually lived all this time and for several centuries we fought for our independence for our freedom and they came and killed us every time i would like, first of all, to address your attention that even in its current form, russia is not a multinational state or with one nation, er, it is a prison of nations, and er, it is possible that after our victory, the question of the independence of other nations that are actually in the prison of this empire will arise. well,

let's hope for that in the end if there will still be a truce well, what could be the reason for such a truce to conclude such a truce i don't know maybe the situation at the zaporizhzhia npp that they are now trying to use or make a man-made disaster there in order for the whole world to call on ukraine and russia to stop shooting and take a certain technological pause. if suddenly this happens, what consequences could this lead to for the ukrainian side? i see the only possible way to a temporary truce is when the borders are restored. the statute of the armed forces of ukraine is a law, it is karlov's duty to protect the territorial integrity of any civil servant there , even the oath of a people's deputy. if i'm not mistaken, all institutions are there - this is the preservation of the territorial integrity of our state, the truce

there can be a cessation of hostilities on the territory of ukraine, it can only be when the territorial integrity of our state is achieved, that is actually one in my opinion . about war crimes in the occupied territories by russian soldiers and how can we reconcile how can we stop protecting stop liberating our territory if there someone acts without authority with the weak, well, that is, it is not, well, we cannot talk about the front line, they recorded how it was. it is there, there are ukrainian people, the majority of them are there. they must be protected. that is, we must save them, well, it is our

duty what kind of state will we be then if we are there, for example, an apartment came to us, we won back two rooms and left one room for zlotys, that is, you can’t end the war by half, you can’t win by half, and there can be victory only for everything everything of the ukrainian people because well, if a part of the territory there remains under occupation, then believe me, the occupied people who remained captive in that slavery that when they are forced when they are issued there, even there i saw summons, then the radio is sold to someone, then uh, well, it will not be a full-fledged victory, thank you thank you, mr. volodymyr, this is volodymyr nazarenko, a fighter of the freedom legion of the national guard of ukraine, who is currently fighting in donetsk region. good health to you. take care of yourself, and we have uh, the program continues,

our next guest is oleksandr mosienko, director of the center for military and legal studies p oleksandr good day good health to you thank you for joining our broadcast i congratulate you good day we have already started talking with volodymyr nazarenko about the counteroffensive led by the armed forces of ukraine and in the south and in the east in the east they won back one settlement in the south, there are two settlements , but when we talk about the kherson region, we talk about the south . and this optimism that exists in society, which we try to demonstrate in social networks, we read about it quite a lot in the armed forces of ukraine accurately this is what the military leadership of ukraine is talking about, the leadership of ukraine calls on all citizens to wait for official information, they waited, the counteroffensive is underway, two settlements have been liberated, but according to our military expert, it may be

that the enemy will be bloodied in the kherson region and they will retreat will be forced to retreat under the onslaught of the armed forces of ukraine and the battle of kherson may not take place simply because they will leave kherson because yesterday in the evening meeting of the general staff it was reported that in the kherson area military personnel the 127th regiment of the first army corps revolted and refused to fight because they ran out of water. mr. oleksandr, what will the loss of occupied kherson and the occupied kherson oblast mean for putin? well, in principle, a few weeks ago i was talking about the fact that this scenario could be and it could be realized that, in principle, the russians will be forced to demonstrate another so-called goodwill gesture , because now if you look at the

southern direction, if you look at the official statistics given even by independent observers or of independent agencies such as orix, the most famous others who estimate the losses of military equipment from open sources, they give an estimate that now, on average , per day, the losses of russian equipment in the south amount to 20-30 units of various types, if, for example, back in july or june, they were three units there 5 units, one, and so on, what does this say? this means that the intensity of fire of ukrainian forces is increasing, just as we can see from the summaries that are reported to us by the general staff or the operational command of the south of the country, and we also see the same. from the local residents of the resistance movement who work and report about these explosions that are going on in warehouses throughout the temporarily occupied territory in the

south. well, we can see the photos of the antoniv bridge, which were actively circulated on the internet yesterday after they were hit, according to which this is all unsuitable for movement and the fact that losses are increasing means that the intensity of the fire is increasing, plus we see that the ukrainian flag er ukrainian flags in the kherson region will become larger, they will be restored, which means the entrance well you know, to a lesser extent, we should actually be interested in what this means for putin and russian politics, because in fact putin himself is to blame for this , he started this full-scale war against ukraine without predicting all possible scenarios and made a number of serious mistakes, and the expression which i do not get tired of repeating what was attributed to napoleon or his minister of foreign affairs of the telegram, not

only to him, who was a minister for a long time. the transporter of the packages of france says that this is not just a crime, it is more. it is a mistake, yes, putin committed a serious strategic mistake for which he will have to bear responsibility in one way or another and for which there will be a retribution. another question is in what form this retribution can be or in the loss of the leadership of russia to fly in other forms because it will be well because it is will be under pressure from the owner of the mistakes. i think it's already obvious, and informational they will always find how to submit it, they will say that they say it's never afternoon . and it's not interesting, and in fact they were just there, well, they'll come up with some reason why they're there were in the south at this time, they will invent something, russian propaganda will start talking about it and they will say that their real goal is the east, they will say

that the south is supposedly demilitarized, there is nothing for them to do there, but capture or liberation, as they call the unrecognized ones in their editorial of the republic of donetsk luhansk. this was their real goal, that is why they are focusing on it. that is, they will invent something, they will invent something that is obviously for something. well, let's say that something can happen in russian circles there and here are these premonitions, here are these, here is this information about the removal, and i think the actual removal from the leadership , or something like a departure from the public plane of shoigu, who does not want to be associated with failures in the south, even kadyrov has already replaced his rhetoric, here is this chatter about the pseudo-heroism of his fighters there who gained a lot, he replaced it with another one, that maybe he will have to rest because he obviously feels how much trouble he has caused the chechen

people and that, in principle, it will be difficult to stay in power there and you have to go somewhere in the shadows that is, certain processes already indicate that something may be happening to the kremlin and of course that they will come up with some versions well, but for now we can see that they are still resisting, for now they are continuing hostilities but again, the so-called gesture of will is quite probable by the way i will say a few words literally. today i took a closer look at the oryx statistics. these are independent observers who monitor what is happening with military equipment. an interesting feature is that 35% of the russian equipment that was destroyed is actually these 35% were either abandoned by the russians or captured by ukrainian villages, and most of them are now used as trofeyna and hit

the invaders, starting from the kyiv and chernihiv directions. but simply chaotically run away from their pronoun positions and even leave behind heavy equipment, which then goes to our forces. well, a message appears from the russian federation, where putin supported the idea of ​​renewing the movement of young naturalists well, there is a war going on, people are dying. he is playing with young naturalists there, but during the announcement about it, he said that hmm, he is actually impressed by the courage of the people of donbas who defend their republics on the front lines, they fight better than professional soldiers, putin said well, and in fact, this is not completely inconsistent with the fact that volodymyr nazarenko from the

legion of freedom, who is fighting in donbas, told us just a few minutes ago. zelensky yesterday in the evening address to non- citizens was actually held by these orcs from the pseudo-republic who were not quite sober there, abandoned their weapons and ran away, but putin is trying to show all this as um, uh, some certain movement for uh, liberation there donbass from, as he says, from the neo-nazi regime well, he is talking about the fact that, in fact, we will uh, take care that a referendum on joining the russian federation is held in the kherson region, mr. oleksandr, can you explain what putin is counting on with such dislike for putin in general and hatred

for putin in the southern regions, in particular in the kherson region, where there are partisans, where there are ordinary people, where all conscious ukrainians are protesting against the russians, perhaps not as it was at the beginning of the war, because they are shooting people and trying to destroy the ukrainian underground the underground is on what are they different? people now treat putin and russia in a completely different way. if you compare the sociological figures that were in 2008-9, where putin as a politician was liked by 45%, if i'm not mistaken of ukrainians and somewhere around 50% considered russia to be a kind of friendly country, but everything has changed. putin does not feel this moment, or does he think that by force he will be able to hold the same kherson region or part of the

zaporizhzhia region, that he will have enough military bayonets to keep his representation or collaborators in these occupied territories, well, we are actually losing touch with reality. this, too, must be understood, and here is the situation , what do you understand, first of all, not only , even in the kherson region or zaporozhye, resistance movements became more active even in the occupied crimea and for such citizens they even created appropriate telephone numbers , e-e-mail, electronic addresses and telegrams where you can report about the movement of russian equipment in crimea or about its bases, about the places where enemy personnel and equipment are concentrated. and by the way, in a strange way already some analysts considered that in principle, er, such

messages must have been received, and er, even the president spoke about it, and other ukrainian military command structures spoke when they thanked that according to the information received about russian equipment, and not only this is important. this means that the resistance movement is spreading, as well as dissatisfaction with the actions of the occupiers and dissatisfaction with the actions of the russians. i will tell you that the awareness is obviously present. i don’t know how much putin has because it seems to me in some places he resembles such a fanatic who is somewhere in his non-imperialist marley and begins to lose touch with reality, this does not mean that he is completely insane, but it means that he is obsessed with some idea that does not give him sobriety and realistically look at the situation and therefore conduct a normal, thorough, objective analysis of events,

but if we look at what is happening, for example , in the kherson region, at least three proposals have already been heard from the russian side from the occupiers, they threw it in through the senators there, through other talking heads who are there in the russian propaganda talk shows don't get out all the time and talk about what they were, at first there was a working hypothesis about what was there , only there appeared russian troops in the south and they came in, they occupied kherson, they thought about that it is necessary to hold a referendum like they did in donetsk luhansk, here are these pseudo-referendums and with the creation of correspondingly unrecognized republics, then this changed because of the pressure of circumstances, the hostilities continued, and the russians could not get to the point of capturing mykolaiv, they were rejected , explosions began in chernobaivka and somewhat, these plans were postponed, then the idea of ​​creating a southern

taurian federation appeared, they read historical books that there was something like it seems that at the end of the 19th century and an administrative center was supposed to be in the occupied crimea, then even this idea was abandoned and now they again began to actively discuss the holding of a referendum from cha-namely regarding the creation of a republic and, accordingly, the annexation of the territory of the future, what was basically tested in crimea is more like this, well and in principle, from what we see, what they are trying to offer there is solid communism, that is, the russians are now trying to please and bribe the local population in some way, either by reducing prices or arranging some kind of fairs or arranging absolutely free services. then they began to bring some unknown artists to perform some concerts

and campaign for the referendum, well, there is no mass popular support, unfortunately, there is a small percentage of traitors and collaborators. well, it is like being present in any war, it is always so unfortunately, the majority of the population is waiting for the occupation and all this together, you understand, again, uh, we can see even from the frequency of the nature of strikes by ukrainian forces, which is reported officially the command of the south or the general staff, they obviously would not have targeted military objects so precisely if it were not for the caring citizens who, in particular through the resistance movements, in this way also help the armed forces to release them, that is why today despite all these efforts despite to the fact that the working scenarios in russia are constantly changing, after all, they are trying to conduct some kind of preparation there and report that they are preparing for something there for some kind of

referendum, but to me. frankly speaking, my opinion is subjective, taking into account all that it seems that it is happening there simply under these conditions, well, it will be impossible to hold this referendum p. oleksandr, former commander of the ground forces of the united states of america in europe, lieutenant general retired, ben hodges believes that the military goals of the united states of america should include the imperialization of russia wrote on his twitter that the military of the united states of america in this conflict has exactly the goals of predicting the implementation of russia. it seems to me that we are seeing the beginning of the end the russian federation in its current form must be prepared for this, we were not prepared for the collapse of the ussr. well, i must say that earlier i talked about the fact that if vladimir putin does not come to terms with the

defeat of his war army, then he will have a worse negotiating position in ukraine will be able to demand the liberation of crimea and donbas. well, i see what you want . he doesn’t talk about uh anymore. he doesn’t voice this thesis and doesn’t repeat this thesis. and now he is talking about the fact that the imperial ambitions of putin and russia must be put to an end. how can the world have to prepare for this, taking into account the fact that yesterday we saw what happened in europe, when pro-russian participants of rallies took to the streets in the czech republic and germany, demanding that the czech republic and germany buy gas from russia in order for them to stop supplying weapons to ukraine. the world, after all, come to the point that the empire of the russian federation should no longer exist, well

, first of all, i support this statement of the general i go. it is quite important. he must have partly opened the cards. how should this happen? when he said and about the unrecognized transnistria or moldova and ukraine can also unite in order to make an effort and there the russian military base and the russian military presence in general will cease to exist. i think the same applies if we are talking about the day about the implementation of this it also applies to georgia, where there are russian troops, this should absolutely be the same, of course, to syria, where russia has also entered. well, let them say there, at the invitation of uh, but still, the dictatorial government is not recognized, and the power of the assyd, and so on, and its reduction in general the presence and liquidation of this formation of the odkb and the organization of the collective agreement, which is

, in principle, the collective security states, which unites belarus, russia, armenia, and other countries. well, how should the world approach this? i think that the world well, first of all, obviously, our diplomats. and we all have to make efforts in the information space to explain to the citizens of the world that not everything is measured only by the gas factor or the energy issue, because you know that russia will lose its influence through the impact of gas or oil on europe is no longer a reversible process, the germans are now building terminals for the reception of liquefied gas at an emergency pace, opening coal stations that were closed or discussing the return of nuclear energy in the same way and looking for an alternative now , that is, it will not be forever and it must be understood that today the only irritant to a normal

peaceful civilized life on our continent is russia, behind which, by the way , china is also watching, which benefits from using russia in fact, somehow such a military military tyrant , they don’t need to fight, why if they use russia, which, in principle, militarily , irritates the west, fights against ukraine and tries to destroy the world order, that is, by all these signs, the world needs to understand that if there are any the values ​​that were discussed, if they are worth anything, then you have to fight for them today, ukraine is fighting for it. well, besides, you know that after putin said that they are fighting er, it means an anti-russian enclave not against an independent state, then i want to say the following. what the world needs to understand is that

tomorrow putin will call lithuania an anti-russian enclave, the day after tomorrow poland, then estonia, then moldova, and so on and so on. that is, it is a rather dangerous trend when they talk about an independent sovereign state as something an enclave against which you can even officially declare war and some special military operation tomorrow their ships will want er their landing party but their ships were present in large numbers in the adriatic sea, they will conduct an amphibious landing, for example , in croatia or somewhere else, or will they go to slovenia, well , that is, they will declare them some kind of anti-russian enclave and say that they are now protecting the interests of russia, or something else can happen. that is, these are quite threatening trends. and as for these actions, which passed, well, of course, russia went to a-bank, they are now turning on their entire agency, which consists of those to whom they either gave money

to open for political activity, or disguisedly through their banks, or whom they arranged for work in various supervisory councils were also corrupt with gas issues or those on whom they simply collected compromising materials from different times, this is also due to such kadebian practices and everyone has now joined the work of organizing a-a-this rallies there er-er that you heard some position of calls for peace negotiations and so on and so on, of course it was predicted and the closer to winter such phenomena can only deepen, but i don’t see today what these factors are . already cover up and are already acting practically open i am alluding to the leader of the neighboring country who went alone to say goodbye to gorbachev yes and it would probably be great to meet and hold

relevant meetings with the russian minister of hungary orban, that is, not even hiding, that is, to go and hold meetings there and we we see decisions so far from european leaders or from european states, i have not seen any human change in policy or assessment of the exchange rate, despite these rallies that will take place, that's understandable but for the world, this is also a reason to understand that the visa restrictions that ukraine will ask about are not just because these agents are leaving prague and so on, quite a lot of them came from russia with illegal bases and they are now muddying the waters there. by the way will the world understand putin's role and will the world want to sit next to putin at the summit of the g20, he is also a question for her, but when putin's secretary has already said that there is an official invitation, however, during the preparation

, various factors will be taken into account, especially factor of security, we will hear from putin rather than piskov that putin has agreed to come to the big 20 , so there are 2.5 months left if he travels. there is uh, for which we will recognize the country as the organizer of this upcoming summit , all factors will be taken into account, of course, including the security factor, of course, well, that is, if they do not want to see putin there, then the sand will say well, there the security factor did not allow our leader to go to the meeting of the g20 at the end of our program. oleksandr so when the leaders of the 20 largest countries, some of which communicate with putin and do business and do not

introduce sanctions against the russian federation, when they will understand all this evil what does the empire of the russian federation, led by putin, bring to the world? well , you know. i think that we cannot rule out that most of them understand this as it is. prevents them from solving their problems, which are related, for example, to the purchase of russian oil, which has become cheaper, or to economic ties, which, in addition, you understand. they are trying to take advantage of this by buying some cheaper raw materials, starting with oil and ending, for example, with diesel, which is what brazil used to buy. well, for example, there or other countries.

well, they are also trying to make some use of this for their economies, that is, economism includes, well, you know, regarding the entire application for piskov well, after that, i would, in the place of the organizers of ukraine and others, simply withdraw such an invitation because well, if you are not sure that we cannot guarantee your safety, then whether you are going, you should not go. if you do not trust to the host country that it can provide security responsibilities, place the body there, organizational measures, and provide for and so on according to the program, so why do you agree that there is no need to go anywhere if the president of the united states or other leaders do you think that the measures are at the appropriate level? and you? no, you don’t have to go. this is the first moment and the second. why worry if even the route ’s airspace will run, as russian politicians say, over supposedly friendly

countries, such as asian countries? or south or east asia ? to worry or to be in the country indonesia, by the way, in principle, is also one of those countries that will stick these right now against the background of a full-scale russian invasion, they have increased the purchase of russian oil well, because the price and they one of the biggest russian clients in this sense, there is no need to go, but it seems to me that now it's just that russia will somehow use such a chance to demonstrate that they are not, as it were, in international isolation, nothing their world really wants to see indonesia other countries and even they are invited yes, even they are almost a-ah you know i apologize will you come well this is putin's behavior it was inherent even before that he likes to show that he is important russia is important and without russia there is nothing