we will walk more than two thousand kilometers along the front line - the commander of a scout group with the callsign property risks his life every day and every day he says i am not tired, i am not tired of defending ukraine oh in ukraine and volunteers everything is possible death to the enemies of ukraine everything will be found everyone will be fed all the tails will be saved and given to them on airplanes, they collect doctors, they help lullabies, they sing foresters, they equip everyone, they hug glory

to ukraine to the whole world, ukraine is glorified by the volunteer family, there is no translation all ukraine thanks you, we will intercept, lose, we will win news, together we are strong, he who knows the enemy and himself will never lose a war, this is a quote from sunza's treatise in the art of war, and that is why we devote a large part of our broadcasts to discussing our enemy russia, and today in the night watch project i propose to talk about what the russian opposition is planning ah, do they have any plan at all, and most importantly, does ukraine now need to give shelter to good russians and their political project, do n't we need allies among the russians themselves? i think it's a great idea. but before that, find out is there an opposition in russia at all? well, i

suggest that we talk about this in the studio. maria vasilievna yevhen kupsin and mykhailo kolesnikov will work for you. and i - yevhen plinsky. well, let's start our discussion, friends. i suggest from a document that was recently in ukraine near kyiv irpeni was signed by the legion of freedom of russia and the national republic and the national republican army. now viewers can see this document, which actually says that there are russians in ukraine who are fighting on the side of ukraine and who are leading a certain partisan activity on the territory of russia is signed by some kind of memorandum about the beginning of such semi-official work and from the uh-e mysterious

as it seems to me national organization national republican army this document is signed by the russian opposition politician with ukrainian citizenship ilya ponomaryev, uh, before we very let's dive deeply into the history of these structures of the organization and discuss the role of them in this war, what is your attitude to this document, well, look how old we are we blame the russians for sitting there and doing nothing , well, we mean those russians who are against putin and finally they gathered and are ready to put up armed resistance against putin's regime, and we are not satisfied again. why did you come, go back to your place and protect russia there from putin well, here we see a fresh example of a massive yes well, he came to fight putin in russia, we all know he is sitting there somewhere and uh, he knits mittens and a foundation is a trade union

jailers and flight er and imprisoned prisoners and what is this for, well here er, do you understand i think that the roots of our doubts er lie in the fact that and we do not understand what kind of organization this is, who represents them, who are you who are these people who are trying to create some kind of headquarters for the fight against putin on the territory of ukraine? not life, but freedom. yes, yes. and it is possible that it is very convenient to wage this struggle with finding from outside of russia, but still, what are these organizations? you mean that fsb agents should be infiltrated there, in principle, the structure of these structures. i think that they will definitely be infiltrated there, but this does not change the

essence itself, but i read from of their statement quote a-a the empire must fall e-e the empire must die the regime must fall ukraine must win and this war must be ended and this is our common goal i am quoting e this statement ponomaryov well let's all coincide with our goals what is here what's wrong a big problem in ukraine, you know, the third decade is going like this, and we still cannot come up with a simple formula for ourselves. so we still have a great sin and a great trouble of our country that we take the word of politicians, you understand. who said something, this is already an established fact . signed something from a legal point of view, we don't understand, that is, this piece of paper that we gave, so, well, you and i can now sign 10 such pieces of paper, well, it's actually a fact, so because we have a big problem that if someone stated something and then they also wrote the news and more and then the plot they did it somewhere, this is already a verifiable fact, yes it is.

and this is already god's truth, you understand, there is no legion that actually fights with weapons in their hands, this is not just a piece of paper. also carries to a certain extent such a nuformatistic reconstruction - such a historically reconstructive character, that is, it gives off such a white guardism, some kind of emigration , people who left there with their herds and so on and so on, this is characteristic of russians, the legion is separately, i will remind you that the aa legion of the freedom of russia appeared back in march and it was purely a-a such a unit is such an alternative for those servicemen who were either captured by the russian occupiers or those who do not want to fight. what do you have such an opportunity, you can go take

an oath to ukraine and fight on the side of ukraine, that is, to wash away one's, so to speak, one's own sin, one's sins, and the composition of the legion, but the number of legions in which he specifically accepted personnel operations, well , there is not so much information about this, it is rather in it is rather a message for those who are fighting there, who are doubting, because there are many conscripts, so to speak, and so on , and for a signal for the internal audience of russia, that is, inside russia, what is there. these are the units. this is a really terrible dilemma, so because if i am sure there are such people in russia who do not strictly support their tsar, well, some people call him the president, yes, they really want to give resistance . will you write such a post, is there such an objective

picture in russia that will await you even if you explain to yourself the content of this irpin declaration , being in russia, if you are in russia now, you will publish it for yourself, the first thing that awaits you is that this is the minimum there ten days in a pre-trial detention center, and so on, there is a court verdict, and so on, this is an inevitable story, therefore, from the point of view of logic, if such a thing is to be done outside of russia, it is probably logical, because inside russia, you will not do it publicly, for objective reasons, inside russia, you just constantly you are under the supervision of all the possible special bodies that are there, and remember what happened to these railway partisans, we ourselves called them to damage the railway tracks there to make it impossible for the ammunition of russian military equipment to get here, and so on, they did it, but look what happened to them it happened that these people who really risked their lives drank them. i don't know all of them or not

all of them, but i saw a photo of people with shot knees. these are those people. there was absolutely no need for this during the detention, it was done in exclusively with the aim of simply punishing them right here and on the spot, that is, their local belarusian cadebists grabbed them and shot them in the knees, that is, they all live there in the same way and the russians perfectly understand what awaits them if they are caught, remember this case of the seaside partisans who were simply tortured to death due to the fact that there was no trial there and just as there was no trial and there will be no trial with the massed one and it was clear to everyone except the massed one himself, but you know, it’s just us ukrainians are very suspicious and we have that huge historical grounds and of course that over the last 8 years it is absolutely logical that anything russian causes terrible irritation and non

-acceptance and the desire to say go anywhere, just don't catch our eyes and don't dare to say a word here. in general, they are by the way themselves understand, but with all this difficult emotional situation, it is very important for me to turn on a cold mind in order to win. strategic situation because if ukraine again chooses this path of isolation and continues to pretend that no russia exists on our eastern and northern borders, some kind of pacific ocean, it is not the pacific ocean, it will come to us again and this will be repeated again and again until we let's understand that ukraine still has to take an active position to somehow influence this. otherwise, this trouble will return to us. they will not go anywhere. there are a lot of them. there are 140 million of them. therefore, in various interests, first of all, among them, we wanted to

find future allies, some people with whom we can have some conversations, negotiate something, agree on something and build a common future , common not within the framework of one country, of course, but common in terms of neighborly relations, because, well, they will not go anywhere and no rock with crocodiles , unfortunately, will not save us, these are children's dreams, we can only agree here, but you very aptly said that we should rely on dry facts yes and a sober head yes and evaluate evaluate events that we are surrounded by, uh, without, well, try without, emotionally, uh, uh, one of the signatories of this uh, this memorandum. yes, there is a national republican army, the structure, uh, the origin of which we did not understand at all. yes, it is not clear at all. the explosion of daria dugin's car , and dugin, a well-known technologist and ideologue of

russian peace, took responsibility for it, and for the first time we heard about it precisely this organization, the national republican army. at the same time, before that, we heard nothing about it, nothing knew after and this was stated by a citizen of ukraine, ilya ponomarev, who positions himself as an opposition politician on lacherestovych, an adviser to the head of the president's office, who is the main source of such public messages, society, he says that in his opinion the car explosion was organized by the fsb, he is convinced of this a week or two passes in and on the territory of ukraine, and ilya ponomaryov announces the creation of a joint political center, the signatory of which is this national republican army. and i think that for us, for us ukrainians, the most important thing now is to

prevent the creation of such a trojan horse on our territory that russia could use against us and, well , use for the realization of its goals . such a partisan organization was created on the territory of ukraine where there is some political center, so it is not a legal entity, but it is actually already attached to our territory, then on behalf of this structure terrorist attacks on the territory of russia and blame ukraine , but look at them, a completely legal structure was created on the territory of russia, which is engaged in terrorist activities, so let's move on to the issue of recognizing ukraine as a terrorist state because they give such organizations to such structures in such organizations that are no different from the same and dilu and well, how can we remind you that before the

murder of daria durgina, a draft law on the recognition of ukraine was already registered in the state duma you see the state as a terrorist. no, it didn’t even take any murder for this, that is, in russia, it’s what russia will think. i mean official, yes, official moscow is of no importance at the moment because , first of all, it has discredited itself, no one in the world believes lavrova anymore, no one believes putin, but secondly, it does not matter at all to us, especially what they think in russia. let them think what they want about our business so that this organization does not harm us for this. of course we have special services. we have an organization who are supposed to check this and i am sure that these organizations do not exist somewhere outside the supervision of our special services, and also to remind that, by the way, just recently, the general of the sbu was detained,

who was in charge of the southern a-a direction, and this is actually an unknown story i.e. traitors among their own people even occur much more often since the 14th year, how many russians have come here in search of political asylum, i do not remember a single story in which this russian was caught for any treason, any espionage activity, any he was adjusting the fire somewhere. look how many stories we have now. where is the fire being adjusted? who is a resident of kyiv oblast, a resident of chernihiv oblast, a resident of kyiv , a teacher, a school director, and a whole general? that is, the citizenship of ukraine, in my opinion, is not some kind of watershed, that is, this section is not based on passports. it is based on values ​​and not even on ethnic affiliation. it is based on values.

by the way , you can ask ilya ponomaryov himself, what is this organization, why is it already on the phone, let's add it to the broadcast, good evening, mr. ilya, good afternoon good day. and i didn't know which part of the discussion you joined our broadcast with, because you heard the last part or the last part of everything. well, yes, we asked such a question about these two organizations. well, to the legion of freedom russia has fewer questions because it is the people who took up arms to defend themselves ukraine is not an issue here. we don’t have a question about the russian national republican army before this story. when the same arestovych, when he actually supports the creation of a joint political center, says that the explosion of daria before the weekend was organized by the fsb. and you say that this is the national republican army how do we

figure out whether this is not one whole, one structure, and how, er, it was arestovych who asked the question, and are you not an fsb agent? well, i am actually very surprised, because oleksiy publicly supported it many times and said that he believed in that that this is a real partisan army, a real partisan unit that exists inside the russian federation. so, i believe that there must have been something wrong, or maybe i didn't understand it that way, but if that's what you said, i'm very surprised if we because he supported us many times. he even communicated with the representatives of this organization. if we just look at the recent history of the existence of this partisan movement , we can easily see that during the

last few years, how much 5 months, well, almost every day something happened inside the russian federation and it's not only the national republican army there and there are other movements there is the so -called fighting organization anarchy of the communists there is such an organization called the black bridge there are several right-wing groups so there are now a lot of networks that exist and work and do something to turn putin, mr. ilya. can you tell me the secret that has tormented me since the very beginning, from the day of the murder of daria dueva, why was she killed ? - the first mainly on the parents, but the goal was both her and him because the father well, he was the main geologist

of this war, officially he emphasized this so-called new russia and he was the main propagandist of this process and he such a cult figure for russian fascists. well, just the main russian fascist. now there are a-a from the point of view of daria . azov and she called for their murder. well, if for murder ukrainians in general and what happened in yeleny. it was there. many people inside the russian federation believe that it bears direct responsibility for this, and that is why it was decided that both she and he should answer for it. this is simply that,

again, it is not a fact. what is your stone there, your side? yes, but leaving, for example, from those three minutes, yes, you are there, even having a ukrainian passport, we are now talking about the fact that citizens of ukraine easily and calmly talk about how they are there on national television it doesn't matter which citizens of another country are eliminated, for example, the kremlin , the same lavrov, putin likes to swindle on international platforms, poking various pieces of paper, so look how we don't become a country in the eyes of the world who else do you know today that defends its territory, its land so simply from the russian contagion, to put it bluntly, so that tomorrow my country will become a terrorist, yes, because we are talking about it on the air of the national tv channel, well, listen, well, if in fact, well, this

just kind of delusional because putin was a terrorist from the very beginning, his way to power was through terrorist acts, which are, there were explosions of buildings in moscow, volga-don and other cities of the russian federation during during his time in power, he killed many different oppositionists and journalists. he committed acts of terrorism even on an international scale. we know that shirodors will appear of the 2022 sample, there are also various german experts who have been there many times even on this broadcast, but you are a bunch of talkative artists who

pretend to be european analysts, european experts, european political scientists , who will then start using this story, this is a big risk, in fact, very very a lot of bought people, but we defend ourselves. we have a war . we have a war in which many people die every day. many people, several hundred people, every day . the ukrainian government is simply not opposed to the fact that there is a certain resistance within the russian federation itself, but it does not support it, it does not organize anything like that, it is not done, it is a russian matter, but in this case, the russians are fighting with they are war criminals. they are fighting those who support this war, propagandize, organize this war

, finance this war. well, of course, he participates in this war, and it is 100% not, uh, military objects, military targets, panel. the main thing understand our discussion correctly, we are not making any specific claims, we are actually trying to understand the creation of your political center, and, for example, if we take the statements of another branch of the opposition , well, not the power of the struggle, yes, the opposition branch of the struggle against putin, which recently held a congress of free russia in vilnius. yes, they also question the creation of this structure and taking responsibility and your involvement in this event with a long arc, so please explain the russian opposition presents itself. today, we

actually see three independent branches that are trying to do something. there are rioters sitting in prison, there is the congress of free russia, which is sitting abroad, and there are you who are trying to create such a more powerful force in ukraine . the site is the power block of putin's opposition. explain to us the existence of these three parallel structures. well, we said everything very well. it's just that navalny is sitting in prison, and therefore he can't participate in modern politics. well, he's just physically this is what it can do. and that is why he is waiting for a change of power, and only after that he will be able to be involved in the politics of the vilnius forum and this branch, as you said , now there is simply a certain split in the russian

opposition and there are people who believe that it is necessary to move in one's own rural way and write on facebook and collect money for humanitarian aid, and there are certain people who believe that it is necessary to actually fight and that it is simply unfair that now the ukrainians are the guards are de facto fighting for russian freedom against against putin that it's just unfair and we need to help the ukrainian army less and collect money for weapons if well, it's easy to move along the path of collecting money, but it's much better to fight by ourselves and do something and let's just do it if we return to this topic from the point

of view of terrorism there, well, now there are a lot of uh-uh in various acts of the partisan movement uh-uh in the occupied territories, yes, this is an occupied territory, the russian federation also believes that they are already their territories uh-uh, but they are also heard there explosions and er there are ours people are fighting against the formally free civilian occupiers, and i believe that there is no difference here. i have not yet seen any influential person in the west, who is it, with the exception of parivskyi, who would condemn what is currently happening in the russian federation because they understand that this is part of the war. and is it possible that the position is capable now , you can’t even agree on some common flag not to mention the fact that someone would represent the opinion of an alternative

russia, so to speak, well, at least at such a level as tykhanov’s in the belarusians have a president in exile, so can the russians, and it is also possible that it would be possible if they agreed to organize a single center with which they could talk in lithuania, ukraine, brussels , and so on. difficult. that is, everyone understood who to talk to. well, i think that this is a very important issue and we need to create such a center, and we are working on it, but this is the rifle that gives birth to power. and no, there are different conversations and what is happening now it's happening in vilnius. i think there's something to be combined there. well, simply no with whom are the russians, well, they are treated very badly because they feel that there is a prevailing mood among the people of the middle circle that they

just want to return to the times of yeltsev before the 90s and this is a very, very unpopular idea mr. ilya well, you directly repeatedly said that with connection a, but of the three proposals so far, the only effective and effective one is the one represented by the phlegm , it at least has results to understand this, in fact, part of it took up weapons and actually fights with the same bow, so that is, until some there discussed there how can you touch children there while others are here, in fact, the burial ceremony of this daria was very revealing for me. yes, when it turned into, you know, some kind of show glorifying the greatness of the russian world. yes, when it seemed in theory, well, anything can happen at funerals. yes, but definitely not such theaters,

well, even so, you know, to use it cynically, it is very sad that you say that well, there is no one to talk to in the congress of free russia, they have ideas that are not supported even in russia on well, that is actually the main goal of putin to get exactly such an opposition that will be divided, which part will sit in prison, part abroad, part there is how you engage in some kind of partisanship and without creating a single center, it is impossible to achieve that goal, the goal is the opposite, and putin is interested in having such an impotent position that cannot do anything because he even highlights it in the propaganda media because it is very useful for him because people see in them no alternative to the current government and do not

want to join them because to join them - this means that you are my teacher because you are a teacher before emigrating and you are going to prison and you have no other choice, what we are doing is showing strength and that is the only thing that mr. putin is like that. he's simple. we're philosophers from a simple family and power is what scares him, and that's why he doesn't even say what it is. well, there's some kind of partisan network that did it. this attack on dudiny, it is more useful for him to say that there are ukrainian special services there, why? well, because it is very dangerous to admit that there is some guerrilla network and when you are now e