sunnis will be strengthened by shiites, you understand, in order for the dialogue to be livelier. i think that this is a key key story in the idea of ​​making iran a mediator . i heard from macron or that the turks act as mediators. and why are we worse and why can’t we do that? well, for this you need to be turks, eh, that is, and not french, because the french should at least have a clear idea of ​​the eh rules games yes, the turks can, in principle, play as they

like and uh, using their position and their status, on the other hand, france cannot do uh, in general, the idea of ​​using uh, iran’s , well, to be honest, it’s original, but that ’s all and the drones are iranian mr. igor, well, nobody knows about them, it’s the same as the well-known syrian mercenaries, yes. there are 30,000 of them who were supposed to come to the ukrainian front. well, they didn’t make it somewhere with the drones. it’s the same story, that is, there are at least several very interesting versions. well, first of all let's say that there are still no drones, that is, until the ukrainians have shot down at least one of them, that is, if there is any evidence in their testimony that these drones exist in our airspace,

then that's all for now, uh, guesswork, uh, of course, we can't disbelieve our allies especially since now we are talking not only about reports in the press, but reports from the special services, and it is quite possible that some number of drones were indeed delivered to russia, but it is also possible that these drones are of really low quality. it is quite possible that these are such a special intelligence espionage of the special services precisely in order to discredit and deregulate iranian weapons, that is, in other words, there are a lot of so-called fog wars around this, what is going on there so far, all this remains only speculation, in the end, mr. igor , i would like you to clarify where this the pro-diplomatic

powers of turkey and, in general, the current phase of president erdogan's game. he wants to be a mediator who resolves his interests by participating, so to speak. wants to become our ally, but a little bit, when you said games, yes, to me, you immediately wanted it from game of thrones yes yes yes, of course, where without this ? it is important now to keep his throne, to hold back his position, and around this, he, in fact, before this, puts his maximum efforts into everything that harms the ertukhanovs in this , to achieve this goal, he rejects, and everything that helps, he promotes, and even his ideas

, mediation activity contributes to the goal because uh turkish society is determined to end the war by any means. thank you ihor ihor semevolos, the director of the near east research center, was in touch with us, talked about pain, so to speak. and we move on to other topics. on the rights to the second reading of the bill on media, just as much as on me, interesting and trending things are happening in our country with a until recently private, in what status is it now the fourth tv channel that belonged collaborator kovalev to the people's deputy of ukraine very recently, as far as is known according to official data, he died under strange

circumstances, we do not know what happened in the kherson region, where exactly when serhii tomilenko , the head of the national union of journalists of ukraine, contacted us sergey, we congratulate you glory to ukraine and otar dovzhenko media expert e-e media trainer chief editor detector media otar we congratulate you glory to ukraine in one word hello serhiy i think we will wait, he will join if possible to of our conversation flock well, i would like to quote mrs. maryna kudarchuk, the head of the state agency of ukraine for film affairs, who somewhat opened the curtain of prospects for the famous fourth channel, there will be another state one - she said , ah, media detector, thank you for your work, reported that the asset search and management agency must choose a manager and conclude an agreement with him on the transmission of the fourth channel for this

period. the state cinema has the right to dispose of the property, and it is in particular about special equipment and equipment, office inventory, software, a broadcasting license, etc., but as we understand it , the nationalization of the 4th will be after the victory. how do they say what is happening around this object , please? then another person appears, ms. fedorchuk, who voices a different perspective, as far as she is. let's say she is so competent, then my first question actually arises. of television, well, really, because in principle the state cinema has a completely different sphere of responsibility, a different sphere of interests and its own front about work at

this time, it is not easy, and the fact that the state cinema is starting to engage in television broadcasting is actually a bit of a thing . channel, this is not the first precedent when, er, hmm, exactly the property of the tv channel, which is called expropriated for the needs of the defense , happened before under unclear circumstances, again, that is, it is not known where, how much, and so on medvedchuk of ukrlife and the first independent well, not to the end. it is clear what happened to the junk of the e-e channel of our murayeva because the shortcomings of this channel claim that it has disappeared, but then again, there are some valuable things in the premises and so on, all this in this case, too, the movie

was transferred to the hardware, i.e., the equipment, the furniture, i don’t know what else he had, but the state is now thinking how to organize the fate of the software, i.e., corporate licenses and so on. what will happen with these corporate rights do not i understand, of course, mr. kovalev eased this situation by the fact that he died, but by the way, now, in principle, he may have some heirs who , in principle, are not state traitors, and accordingly, they can sue and demand that this and the asset be transferred to them, that is all this may not be so simple. meanwhile, the iron of this channel will work for victory, in what form it will work again. this is the biggest mystery for me in order for the language channel to need professionals, well, besides the question of funds. so we

we understand that there is a war going on in our country, every penny. in us, so to speak, you should be counted on to win, and here suddenly the new channel, although we understand that well, so to speak, pro-government broadcasting is exposed like this, so all opposition platforms are also for victory, that is, there is no problem with the fact that in our one more state channel is missing before victory, but suddenly no, well, besides the victory over russia, people probably have their own private victories in the future , which may also need to be worked for, we are observing this now in the only marathon when the promotion of absolutely not the defense interests of the authorities is taking place, well, this is a separate topic, will they be able to use this fourth channel as a platform for another state channel, well, for the production of content

for another state channel? the marathon is broadcast on its frequency, but the marathon broadcasts so many channels that one channel more is one less - it does not matter at all, the team of the channel kovalev did not pay in six months, and well, people, it is obvious are looking now or have found another job because no one can live without money, those people are waiting to be returned well, the company is obliged to compensate them for my unpaid salary starting from february, that is, before launching this channel, they will have to recruit a team and to pay the money to those people who worked there, this is quite a lot of money. i am not sure that there is such money in the budget just to add another small channel to the broadcast of the marathon or the production of content. this channel was not significant, it had a bold license

the all-ukrainian digital channel, which, by the way, has now been rebought by other people, that is, this channel no longer has this license, here it is. in general, it was basically one of the twenty similar channels that were in ukraine, and i will quote once again ms. maryna fedorchuk, while the tv channel is not under the management of the state cinema, but when it happens and it is planned there will still be a state channel that will be broadcast in the telethon for the time being. we hope for the fastest victory of our country, after which it will continue to develop as a full-fledged state tv channel, and here we are moving on to an even less important story, here we received an e- mail from the administration of the state service of special communications and protection of information of ukraine

, and here they explain nothing in fact, without explaining, that is, extremely, yes, you need to have such and such a high skill, so, that is, explaining nothing specifically, i do not explain that it is about the fact that three tv channels were thrown off the t2 network. well, accordingly, there is such an extremely interesting the moment after the switch, access to the information marathon, the only news in a, together had and have all television materials of any form of ownership. that is, we cannot join, they say, please, that is, otaka, this is a very strange story, and in this way, the tv channels of the holberi television organization and logos from the press e-e direct fifth, on a level with other broadcasters, have the technical possibility of broadcasting in the digital air as part of a single telethon, and whether or not to participate in it depends on the decision of the management bodies of those channels, you understand, that is, and we are not yet arguing that

we have the technical ability, for some reason they don’t take us , it’s such a strange paradox why the flocks don’t take it and whether they will take it and what they possibly really want, well, really, the editorial policy is quite balanced.” you should do it 24/7. and you think that it is not, and this is actually the whole point of the conflict. why do they need you to broadcast the signal of the channel 24 hours a day? well, it is obvious that in other parts of the airwaves they do not hear or cannot hear any things that they do not want to hear. wanted to hear why they didn't they want your channel fifth channel and direct channel to join the production of the marathon hmm well, i think

that again for the same reason, that is, there is still no total censorship in terms of controlling the broadcast of the marathon, but it is obvious that the marathon is controlled to some extent not in the interests of the state, not of defense, but of the government without the president's team directly, as well as some individual people who can be tracked because they constantly appear on the air, i suspect that if your three channels joined in any format to the production marathon, i don’t really know where it came from. because you had that kind of money, because it is quite expensive, but if you did it, you would certainly not have followed these instructions and would have shown everyone, for example, well, well, i don’t know if you have seen our calculations, they will be fresh soon for august, but in july, uh, 69% of the politicians

who were on the air were servants on the ford. and i am european solidarity, with which these three channels are connected somewhere on a mental level, you can say no, 2%. that's 69%, 2% - this is quite such a speech difference that thinks answers to yours the question is there, your material is still a marathon or is it already an abuse of power eh well known i think the media community and eh actually thank you for this analysis it was really interesting to trace what and how it developed in the context of the only news tele marathon yes watch and interesting yes not all tv viewers understand what we are talking about now. but here you give a very specific analysis of how, uh, how it changed, and this project is actually a unique project that was organized very quickly, and i think that the prospects for

its development were actually enormous. i don't know to what extent this development can be called high-quality, we seem to agree with serhiy tomilenko, head of the national union of journalists of ukraine, serhiy, congratulations, glory to ukraine, some excerpts from their analysis of single news were shown to our viewers not only in the context of numbers. fullness of content, interest not only in the issues of the aggression of the russian federation against us, but also, possibly, in the issues of our homework, which no matter what, even to the war. we still need to do it depends in fact to a large extent on the editorial office that produces the marathon. that is, it is generally done by professional journalists, and the representative has different

editorial setups, there are different dos and different experiences, different resources, and it depends a lot on how much their mat- let's say that the materials are made according to the standards, they have different editors , again, otaki in each block, so what we are now observing is a decrease in general, let's say, the intensity of this broadcasting in the sense that it lasts 24 hours a day, but more and more it is filled with filler. that is, we repeat and repeat there from june to july. that is, with content that is relevant. we are not actually informative, that is, with the content that should be filled with an informational marathon. well, of course , again and again we see the same faces there who generally say the same things, a vivid example is the company promoting the law on media , and i suspect that you will probably say this now

when either minister tkachenko or the head of the national council olga olha appeared on the air of the marathon every day gerasimyuk or one of the servants in the family, and they talked over and over again about how cool , good, and wonderful this law is. well, when we were just sounding the alarm. hello, hello, is there any criticism at all, there are certain comments about this law, they included critics a couple of times uh, and it seems to have made it public, and other editors did not dare to do it, and mostly hm, mentions of critics happen like this, that's how it was yesterday, by the way , tkachenko once sits in the studio, they say to him, there are critics who say that this law will do toto and and tkachenko says and this is all a political struggle and all criticism ends there in principle. thank you, mr. serhiy, the media law is awaiting

amendments to the second reading. well, what are you waiting for? what are you waiting for? well, after all, we are waiting for what hmm , the deputies will not use this period and 21 days for the adoption of e-amendments and a certain declaration on openness, or will they not use it to simply declare that they are allegedly studying and working on european legislation, and as a result, that ukraine will already receive a law on media, as we received in the first reading by the minimum number of votes of the authorities, plus, in fact, there is a presentation, yes, plus those people who are hanging under the sword of criminal cases, in the office of the prosecutor general, that is why the basic position of the union of journalists of ukraine

and the european federation of journalists in general is colleagues in ukraine we seriously draw attention to the risks posed by the media bill, or do we turn our attention to the fact that while generally supporting european aspirations and european obligations, we still say that in this the draft law has a lot of things, it is not the authorship of european colleagues and european obligations. and this is specific to ukrainian experts and ukrainian people's deputies and government officials are establishing a certain mechanism that we pay attention to. it is possible to violate freedom of speech in ukraine about your journalists and even the comparative analysis published by the government of the compliance of the draft law on media with the european directive confirms that this directive is only 10% of the content of the ukrainian draft law on media. we draw attention to the fact that it is not

correct to speak of a draft law on the media, as it is a law on the framework or state regulation for each journalist and for each type of media with broad powers, despite the fact that the state media regulator is currently not politically independent, because the very construction is laid down by the constitution, it provides that four members of the nasrat are appointed by the president and four members of the parliament, respectively, the mood can be a similar situation because it is directly reflected on the broadcast, in particular, it is about a scandalous, but without exaggeration, a scandalous case, yes, three ukrainian tv channels of normal opposition plus minus well, but this is how it should be. well, this is the function of our media, so they were thrown out of the t2 network. well, now we received a letter from the administration . of the state service of special communications and information protection of ukraine yes, regarding the three tv channels, well, there are a lot of words, well,

the point is that they state the fact . takes such a very strange construction, that is, technically we can transmit this information marathon, but for some reason we are not taken to the production, and this is extremely disturbing and disturbing, and not only that, but let's start with this. well, of course, i agree. we are talking about such manual management of the media space and, accordingly, about the fact that your tv channels and in general many journalists we cannot get answers about the real reasons and, accordingly, about whether this is a manifestation of censorship is it justified there of national security, evidence of the justification of national security has not been provided. and here are all these different explanations. they too. well, if they are all dubious

and again, they do not assure us that if in this situation we will receive proper arguments, then the same. when will this media reform be changed or will we let's not then not only three channels, but hundreds of ukrainian journalists and media will receive various unsubscribes, which are actually just conflicting situations, that is, they may be closed, limited broadcasting of certain channels or recall licenses or certificates of registration of print media, and instead they will receive some kind of letters that will not explain anything about the marathon, really here and accordingly, the king said that today already in the marathon we see repeats and a certain possible loss of interest somewhere in the audience itself, the marathon itself in the first days, he really performed this important function of a unified voice and

broadcast of the official position of the government at the time of the first full-scale aggression when it was necessary to mobilize and inspire ukrainians for a united resistance and resistance to the occupiers at the same time concrete now uh and we published as a union of journalists of ukraine literally yesterday the comments of the experienced editor-in -chief of zolochiv, kharkiv region, our colleague mr. vasyl miroshnyk, he wears bulletproof vests every day, because zolochiv and the district are also under fire, but he clearly emphasizes that now is the time to diversify, and it is necessary that different broadcasters be accessible, because in fact the population in the kharkiv region that is under fire is different because it only has access to the marathon or they start anyway they want to receive a variety of opinions,

a variety of certain content. and this is precisely russian propaganda, where there are english channels, and the access of the ukrainian audience is limited to a certain extent , so we speak to mr. serhiy for your position . and with the authorities and with our european partners, because freedom of speech without normal broadcasting of tv channels that have, albeit not pro-authority views, but objective ones, it is simply impossible thank you very much serhiy tomilenko olena of the national union of journalists of ukraine and otar dovzhenko media expert media trainer editor-in- chief media detector and we are moving forward with us in contact svyatoslav pavlyuk executive director of the association of energy efficiency of cities of ukraine p svyatoslava we congratulate you glory to ukraine we understand that a difficult heating season is waiting for ukrainians

and we are being signaled that the energy generated in our country from various sources may not be enough. despite the fact that the needs of our country have decreased significantly, and at the same time, there is a high bet on energy efficiency, which very often requires the addition of additional financial infusions. please tell me exactly how ukrainian cities and perhaps somehow differently prepare for the heating season, using some innovative approaches, if possible. thank you for the opportunity that is to say, energy efficiency is so rare that it needs a bit of permanence, it needs continuity, it needs a certain strategic planning. that is, it is not a radiator, so you need to buy a store and put it in st. we there with motor energy efficiency is a process, it must be calculated. that is, it requires a certain

understanding of the approach. but once a year, it is there for a place during the fuel season to start acting to replenish it, and it is obvious that in such a regime there is nothing to do it is especially impossible. there are cities that approach this strategic approach . there were a lot of emotions there, somehow, a lot of uh, some problems with promises, a terrible hiding place for trucks, you ask for some kind of solution there , and in principle, i put it . we have problems with availability. we have problems with the ability to deliver instead of uh, well , there are cities that are switching to some local water fuel, there are cities where they will massively insulate the

houses of some better ones and more, in general, this is the percentage, so far, it is still quite low for me the most important thing is that you need a lot of this fuel, and there could be less of it. well, the need is less. well, i would use an analogy here. when the auction goes out from the very cold on the street, the majority of people are new, that is, they did not take an additional heater or a heater, they wore them. jacket they started to save their own heat, it’s not the same with houses. when it gets cold, they have to be insulated, then it will be warm, and when there are three additional radiators, that’s why such things need to be planned there. for this jacket to be. this house has to be insulated, it should have a simulated heating system er well, here i agree with you at least that it is difficult to talk about some energy efficiency, for example, in those settlements that were very badly affected by aggression, where i will remind you that there are still no windows, despite the fact that they have been er- freed from the russian occupiers,

unfortunately, we have such locations on the map, mr. sviatoslav e-e energoatov reported that e-e as a result of a fire that occurred due to russian shelling yesterday from the network the last sixth was disconnected power unit of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant and we now understand that it is actually disconnected from ukraine from ukraine, what is it, on the eve , in fact, a few hours before the megate report, and can we respond even before the day of the heating season due to the fact that the general our electricity consumption decreased by 30 percent in the system due to the fact that one of our enterprises stopped even moments of not supplying the european union , that is, when it connected due to the fact that we

have nuclear production by nuclear power plants, we may have some surpluses at certain hours. to be enough, that is, this whole heating season, we will balance the limits there, and here we should be ready to provide for our needs on our own. consider that you should have a plan of what you do if, uh, well, you don't have gas, you don't have of electricity eh, do you think that if you don’t have electricity, the gas ones you buy for heating may also not work. and you need to be ready for that, that is, you need to have a plan. what do we do in such a case ? bourgeois, but for he lives in high-rise buildings, let him start swearing or two warm corgis, yes, the situation is extremely not easy. svyatoslav pavlyuk, executive director of the association of energy efficiency of cities of ukraine, worked directly broadcast on pre