while we are talking about crimea, i would also like you to know , recently, i was just looking at interesting data that uh, ethnic russians, there were two general secretaries of the central committee of the communist party of the soviet union, khrushchev and gorbachev, because even andropov has a russian surname but he has a mother of finnish origin, although they have the surname frikenstein. is it somehow so? well, that is, it is not quite russian. well, you always know why they say that somewhere there, gorbachev would say the same thing. what is russian ? origin because he is from the front of the caucasus ukrainians were not the only ukrainians there in the stavropol region, so today they believe that khrushchev is a ukrainian somewhere there, that's why he actually gave crimea, well , the transfer of crimea gave crimea, it was a decision of the supreme council of the ussr well, i used to think that it was the verkhovna rada ussr, but well, i read that it was supposedly a decision of the deputies of the

soviet soviet legislative assembly of the soviet union, it was approved by the russian federation as part of the soviet union, they are such things, really, the volga eyes emigrants who did not live in crimea began to riot when khrushchev came to kyiv and said let's take us back home, i want to understand exactly what they dug dug dug water did not find a bridge they could not build they understood that it is such a suitcase without a handle it is better to hand it over to the ukrainian ssr let them be there there were economic reasons why. because you know how something works, it is better not to break it. stalin, when he evicted the crimean tatars and deported them, he actually broke the already established economic economic system in addition to crime. against humanity, it was also a violation of the economy of

crimea, and crimea simply fell into disrepair after the war because there was no one to restore it, and of course immigrants from russia tried to establish it. but again, these were people who were generally not adapted to life in these conditions, no, you can’t say that the ukrainians were er adapted. although they are of course closer to the crimea, and the climate in the same kherson region is absolutely ukrainian er, until this year, no one had any doubts, even the most russian chauvinists what it is ukrainians are considered that way there, they understood in principle what can be done in the steppe crimea but again, not in the mountainous crimea and the main thing what was lacking in the crimea was of course water, and the water could only be ukrainian, that is, from the dnipro er this northern crimean canal was built

, which actually ensured the equalization of this water balance, and after that it was already possible to introduce crimea agriculture, that is, the solution was absolutely economic. ukrainians, the experience of the relationship between the crimean government and the ukrainian state of hetman skoropadskyi, and there again, we were not in the mood of the crimean government, it was forced to negotiate with ukraine, because economically, crimea has always been tied to the territory to the north of it , er, not there, the kuban, er, with the transcaucasia, right up to ukraine, and again they had to enter into negotiations to agree. unfortunately, it happened that

then the soviet government came and bought ukraine and the crimea in particular, and they stopped at that, but again- still economic issues have always been there and have always forced crimea to unite with ukraine in our country. the poll is on youtube. i ask our viewers to join in and vote on the question how should ukraine return crimea? i voted a certain number of people and 86% believe that you are military you see, i understand that we currently do not know all the plans and strategies of the capabilities of the ukrainian army, this should be known by the general staff, but in principle, you see the possibility that, in addition, it can be returned by military means and is it really possible be a hard and bloody struggle or everything will go differently and simply those who will understand that their time in crimea has passed will leave it and whether it is putin, everyone thinks that for putin crimea has some sacred meaning, after all, the native harbor is there, all the other things are there, but can it happen let's open an account with a neighbor , taking advantage of his weakness, ukraine was

weakened then, he simply squeezed crimea, this is simply his only achievement during the entire time of his administration, there are no more achievements even if she had them, they have already melted, that's why he clings to crimea and he understands that if he loses the territory , it is not even crimea, even if he cannot gain a foothold in the captured territories of the kherson region , even then it creates problems for his not only political and physical survival, so he clings to it, but if we talk about the return of crimea, then the first thesis that ukraine defends and actually this is a general world uh-uh now a world principle recognized by the whole world except russia well, maybe there are some uh-uh quasi-states that were bought by her that are the territory of ukraine and should belong to ukraine, i.e.

the first thesis must be returned, the second thesis , which way, of course, before the direct russian invasion, the only possible diplomatic path seemed to be that russia would be forced to recognize the realities and leave now that the war has moved into such an open phase and now hostilities are underway including in the kherson region, and they happen regularly, so-called ogo, not in crimea, it is obvious that on the agenda there may also be a military method of liberation, the liberation of crimea, of course, ukrainians and ukraine were interested in it was done with the minimum number of victims a-and diplomacy, of course, is more er-e hm let 's say this is more tangential to the reduction of the number of victims but again, here russia determines that it will not want

to give crimea a-and diplomatically to ukraine, there will simply be no other choice with er and the third point that in principle well, there are different ways of returning by military means er actually in the so -called gestures of goodwill that the russians are sometimes forced to do there, they did it in kyiv oblast and chernihiv oblast on a variable basis, this means that they suffer a military defeat on the front line, and then they are forced to simply deo buy the territories occupied by their own troops, this is also a military way. but again, he can get by with a smaller number . the perspective of crimea, of course, the russians spoiled its ecology, if you look at the map, it shows a green crimea, there was a map when it was

squeezed out of russia, now it turns yellow, turns yellow, that is, the vegetation there basically disappears, it becomes like then they say he just dies every year and more i kind of think about practiced and this means that you need to do it and return it as soon as possible again, maybe this is not the main argument , the main argument is different, but one of the motives to do it as mine is to fix it faster, although b what can be fixed, because unfortunately we have to - we can state that some things we will not fix in reality, so and so, as a perspective, i think why not do, let's say crimea. i don't know if only islands can be offshore. well, let's say make the crimea offshore, let him come as an investor, let the turks develop there, they will be very interested in making such a tourist paradise , normal, not so ordinary, you know with these beaches where all kinds of rusty constructions are sticking out and he is happy that you just got to the sea there eh, but oh well come up with something for yourself. i think that there and turks, ukrainians and crimean tatars will somehow think together, and

i think that only the residents of crimea and the turks, i think that many other investors know that the main thing is that he be well returned returned as now, let's talk more about the novorossia project, what russia did in soviet times, well, let's remember this governor of novorossia, vorontsov, to whom he sent pushkin to be corrected, and he wrote to his wife, countess vorontsova, chroniminya, my talisman , and then insulted the knapsack. by the way, the same vorontsov, i’ll remind you, well, the viewer will just be interested in who probably paid for the entire russian army in paris, which ate several million rubles and left paris, and vorontsov paid his own money, well, this there was such a famous governor there, by the way, in odesa, he was buried if i am not mistaken, then the bolsheviks talked about his his these graves together with his wife well, but they are very proud of this project because they supposedly captured, that means they built new territories there, their castles and kherson, mykolayiv means well, odesa and all those eyes, and what

was there before that, it’s just very important to understand that the project was a favorite of catherine ii, who is actually the initiator of mm. kateryna also corresponded with voltaire there, but intellectually, of course, potemkin was er-e greater in size than kateryna, he knew history er-e i know well, including church history and so he proposed this project er-e created transformations er-e freed from er-e again from the previous population of the territory to some new province of russia, you know, this is the symbol of paradise land, this is what the russians often say about the territory they capture and this is the idea of ​​new russia, this is actually potemkin's potemkin's idea, but then he switched to crimea and received the task of princes from the prince

tauriyskyi and uh these territories were not uh novorossiya they were called tauriya the son of catherine ii who hated his mother left he simply returned many of us historical and katerynoslav was named in honor of uh catherine he renamed it novorossiy this idea uh novorossiya was reborn, although this name did not exist for a long time, then another city was called novorossiya, katerinoslav returned the name, and so on. that is, in fact, these are completely artificial projects, which, you know , can be created, can be canceled, and then to return and so on, this shows the artificiality of these projects. in fact, again, this story with the so -called founding of cities is absolutely a myth, which , in fact, was not even under kateryna, and then it

was created, well, you know how it is now with the bulakhov myth ah, the war is going on. the same could have been said about the founding of the city, because kateryna herself did not found the cities, she renamed them . renamed to kherson e-e well, in the crimea, everything was renamed again , since there was already kherson, then the base of the black sea fleet, which they began to build in akkersky bay. well, as it is the tatar name of the village that was nearby, it was renamed, well, it could not be accepted in kherson, it was renamed sevastop, at least in ancient times, in roman times, the current current suhun was called sevastopol, it was necessary to

rename some cellar, it was renamed to yevpatoria, if there was supposedly such a city in the crimea in ancient times, but the city that existed on in the place of modern culture it was called kerkinitil eh, in general, the energy situation came from simferopol in the old crimea, at first they wanted to make old crimea the capital, rename it to simferopol, and eh, the act between the actual city that existed in the place of eh. simferopol is a white mosque, which means tatar, they renamed it in the greek manner, they called it uh-uh, they wanted to call it levkopole, then kateryna said, well, no , it’s better for the capital to be placed in place as a budget, and they changed these names to places and uh, that means it became simferopol, and stary krym, which didn’t even have

the word white in its name, easily became a white city, that is , i say once again, these are completely artificial names that were simply stuck on and could change places, as you know, like the cards on the table, it’s good that at least some have been preserved we would like the historical er tatar er tashkevich , is it a turkic name or bakhchisarai, well, actually about kateryna. by the way, it was found at the level of er towns and villages, it was already established when the crimean tatars were finally deported, then the soviet authorities had to destroy er even at the level of villages there are mentions of now then, in my opinion, one and a half thousand settlements were renamed there, but i would also like to say a few words about this war, which ukraine is currently working for the russian aggressor, they understood that when it comes to some global processes, the lives of people there, houses are destroyed, other things are especially important don't get involved, that's why we're talking about a big

game, so what can it be in your opinion, understanding the world, understanding that putin is gathering forces for aggression and this empire, it will try to squeeze out by seizing new territories, because i said, this adviser to putin, god i always forget the chechen, just like that. now i will remember, i will say that how, no, no, the one who sat with him in the kremlin. well, i will remind him now, who was involved in the donbas project and there and so on, but he said such a phrase that the empire is not can exist if it does not absorb new territories, and is the world, the western world, a nato country, they played the ukrainian gambit, so to speak, understanding that by attacking putin, in principle, he will fall into a trap from which he is unlikely to be able to escape, or was it a reaction to putin's aggression, no one knows gentlemen did not build well, from what we can see, because in fact it was a refusal, if he planned, you know how you like to tell that there is a conspiracy against russia in general, and so on, so that the west planned to

oppose russian aggression, and i’m not saying anymore what about any plans for russia itself, then he would n't, well at least some european countries wouldn't tie themselves so not russian to the russian economy on russian gas and so on. well, it's absolutely clear now that for the last decade europe has fallen into a trap that placed in russia and not and not the other way around, you don’t know. we talked a lot, we are already used to the fact that we are there complaining about the fact that he has corruption, that we have too much influence, the influence in russia was in ukraine for the last 30 years, but it turned out that some european countries are much more dependent, much more corrupt by russia than ukraine, well, maybe it's not worth being too proud

of it, but i'm just uh, this is a fact, in fact, this is sorkov , the last name of this uh, putin tapman, what and karaganda there is a lot to operate with concepts and i don’t know if it was inherent in the 18th or the 17th century, because even in the 20th century, when hitler started talking about the libonstraga, the living space and the need to expand, it was already perceived as something extreme. nothing, nothing , so urgent, but the ukrainian government in its president, volodymyr zelenskyi, is doing the right thing in principle by saying that the goal of ukraine now is to return to the borders of 1991 well, but many patriots say that it is so and why you were limited to the 91st year, let's return the cube, let's

return the course or not, let's return the belgorod region, can ukraine really claim these lands, are they really historically ukrainian, uh, why is the question? yes, these lands are historical ukrainian, ukraine 's historically ukrainian lands are not only in russia, but they are owned by ukrainians it's been a long time, but in the modern world there are principles that allow us to build international relations on parity. well, we can see our current relations with poland. the territories that are now part of the polish state well, what kind of reaction did our neighbors provoke? we remember the story of how the struggle for the holmshchyna in the 18th year was hrushevsky's, there were some feelings towards the clergy and that's why he decided that it must be part of ukraine. this led

to a quarrel with the poles with the newly formed polish state, and you know how shevchenko's poland fell during the winter, so in principle, he has experience. already teach ukrainians what to constantly expand own territories, this is precisely the logic of the 17th and 18th centuries . i am not talking about the fact that we know the moods and hmm, let's say the political orientation of the people who live in these territories, we have a problem with our own territories, we were where people did not fully realize e- the realities of the modern world and constantly looked around in crimea, we still need to add millions of such voters so that they do not influence the course of the ukrainian state, you know, i always say that historians will understand me that we are still redeeming our imperialism of the middle ages

when we from the kyivan rus expanded boundlessly to the south or to the east, they captured zalissya and began to civilize it. well, we received , let's say, a boomerang, this history. you know it, there is such a film in poland, the battle of warsaw, they both called it a miracle on the vistula, when actually it was against the russian army, and what a huge army that came there. and by the way, tokhachevsky was also at that time and all these generals were killed and warsaw then put up. by the way, with the support of ukrainian fighters to a large extent, do you think that's because you know when american experts, world experts, european experts say that we didn't

give kyiv a chance, mr. arestovych even says, well , we're there i gave a few. i don’t think he’s a genius there, but he has a military education, at least who are they, but i understand that the man is also a man, well, at least he has a military education, but god is with him, and what do you think, why did russia invade? at least 30,000 forces to kyiv and 220,000 in total to ukraine. and if we also take the nearest reserve of 330,000 troops, what are the components of the fact that the kyivans understand that the war is going on? well, if kiev fell, then the war would already be small a purely symbolic character, we all understand this perfectly well. i think that it had a symbolic character according to kyiv. why do you think that the main factor in the fact that this armada could not decapitate ukraine is that he did not understand what he had undertaken he is not at all understood. where is he going, so-and-so, he is starting his so -called special military operation, well, this is a person

who lives in a bubble, heals, eats, eats. the information we bring, obviously, people told him about some other ukraine, you know, which exists only in the virtual reality of these people, and this is precisely his main miscalculation. ukraine was the first time that ukraine was always different, so he didn’t tell us about it from the tv with a rubber band . but secondly, it has changed. and in the last 30 years, and especially in the last eight years, and we everyone was convinced of what the attempts to reach an agreement with the russians would lead to. and in fact, if before that they used some hybrid so -called technologies, that is, there is direct open aggression that is not hidden by anything, and it just met with absolutely the same frank frank resistance. of course, this is a war in a war, there can be many what, it cannot be

ruled out that the enemy will seize some territory, and it could not be ruled out that they would be able to seize , well, at least theoretically, although even the ratio of the forces that defended kyiv and those that attacked it is obvious they did not give the russians any chance, but even in this case the war did not stop, because the war is actually a war. what is the peculiarity of this war, which the majority of ukrainians actually realized? you will destroy ukraine and the ukrainians, that is why this war will be waged until victory or until the end, ukrainians are being waged like this, all wars are being waged. well, of course, we want this war to end in victory again, regardless of what

in the first stage, we may suffer some losses of our territory. we have no other choice but to be the winners. you know, now people want a lot, and let's say right away, the final disintegration of russia. it's clear what's there. well , first of all, those tribes the nations that were annexed to russia to a greater extent were still there until the 17th century, starting with ivan the terrible. even before that, many of them in principle do not have any practice of state formation in a traditional way. well, not from ivan the terrible, the yakuts captured them. later, later, yes. well, but by chance they found out that there is yakutia, the locals will say that there is still land there and there are still people there. their leader was a little older, the army was big. well, but you lost what kind of state-building tradition the yakuts have, since those times they don't have any, because do you see the probability that russia can break up and exist in separate entities

, because once again i will say it is possible well, it is possible that the tatars are there maybe there is someone else somewhere economically stronger can stand, but there are many tribes of peoples who, in principle, had no state-building tradition, and now you give them independence from moscow. it is not known what will happen next, we must be realistic, and especially i would not count on the collapse of russia, which is our second happiness. this is obviously not the west is interested , but on the other hand, we remember how the west persuaded ukrainians to follow the path of independence. this is a well-known speech of a former senior called the czech republic because they were afraid that nuclear weapons were being talked about, their mistake was that instead of the general of nuclear development and it gave all the soviet weapons to russia on the other hand, well you know well, you don't have to be er snobs er to say that ukrainians have

the largest in europe er the largest in europe state-building experience, even positive, i didn't say ukrainians either there were also times of statelessness, on the other hand, uh, estonians had no experience of statehood at all until the 18th year. nothing was created . i would not have bought that ukraine then fell, and in russia there are many people, many peoples with er experience of statehood, the same tatars. excuse me, they have experience even with the voice of bulgaria, this is actually a peer, a peer of kievan rus, the main thing was divine. i thank you very much. mustafin was with us, a historian, a writer , a tv manager, thank you very much, mr. oleksiy, for this

conversation, we talked about the crimea, about novorossiya, and this is actually also a historical war, you know, in which russia will lose because all empires live for a maximum of 500 years russian, well, from 300 to 500 years. well, russia is already there for 300 or something. i think that its time is already coming. ukraine, uh, the ukrainian sun will rise when the dew will fall on moskovska's dead eyes. thank you for being with us. it was a worldview program. let me remind you that my name is vasyl zima. i want to invite you to write to us on social networks, like, support. if you want to order a topic or what you were interested in talking about, there is a telegram channel, i have a personal one, it is called evening cotton, search , write there and we can be in touch, and i am interested will take those topics that are also interesting to you and to be discussed, i will meet with you today at 7:00 p.m. and 3:00 p.m. in the program. now we continue the broadcast of espresso. we are looking for 15-year-old olga popova, about whose fate it has been for more than three

months . nothing is known, i only know that the girl lived in donetsk region and it was there that she had to meet the war, the last time she contacted her was on may 25, then olya was staying with her uncle in the village of mangush, it is about 20 km from mariupol, the territory was occupied for a long time and it is assumed that there is simply no connection, and therefore nothing is known about the fate of olga. the girl is being searched for by her father, who apparently spent a long time in internment camps and only recently managed to get into the territory not under the control of ukraine. in previous programs i already talked about the search for olga, and recently we received an important message on the hotline of the children's search service, a girl settled in an apartment, you are very similar how old or how old i don't know, i see a girl, some kind of russian girl, that

's not happening either, the woman who called us on the hotline lives in odesa , she says she just saw the girl, immediately paid attention to her and even talked to her a little, eventually found out that she is not local, she has moved completely recently, the woman, who lives without her parents, was a little surprised that it was as if the child had moved on her own, and why exactly to odesa, because now it is not very calm there, from time to time the city is shelled, and the woman did not receive an understandable answer, but soon she saw our a program with an announcement about the search for olga popova and says that the child she shot is very similar to her, that they showed a star and a copy, and i say well, honestly speaking, i should have been to vinnytsia and western ukraine . we immediately passed the information on to the police, i hope it will help in the search for the child, and at the same time i appeal to everyone, especially the residents of odessa , look carefully at the photo of olga popova, remember this

face, the girl looks maybe a little older than her 15 years, she has not very long blond hair and dark eyes if anyone has seen willa after may 25th if anyone knows where she may be now don't hesitate to dial from any mobile operator the short number of the magnolia child tracing service 116 000 000 calls to the hotline are free any information is important one more very important we received information from witnesses regarding the search for seventeen-year-old mykhailo timofeev from kharkiv. i also told the story of this boy in previous programs. he disappeared on june 28. on that day, mykhailo, as always, left home with his usual business - he said that it wasn't for long, but he still hasn't returned, it's crazy and i.