the station is in the city of megates, i was going to come there again, but i understand that there was no one in the city, should we invite representatives of this respectable organization in the kyiv region to the chernobyl station? how normal is it if you get to lakhta today, so you have to make wild detours because the direct road through belarus is different, so that it does not happen at the chernobyl nuclear power plant, its consequences will never go beyond the 30 km zone the station is cold - 36 years old, there is a lot of waste there , everything is necessary within 30 km, with any option , zaporizhskaya is hot today, two blocks are burning

, this is a problem, when you see the footage, they draw maps , and regarding, god forbid, some kind of emergency at the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant where does the wind blow and where does the radiation go? you have seen these forecasts, yes, i wonder what you feel about satan , we are generally composed of europeans, etc. when you have a calculation, the fuel melts hot reactors, this is another, what will be the wind, what will be the humidity, what will be the faction, the game, the atmosphere , etc. - then the program is entered,

the program thinks that the flow is going in this direction, in this, there are such doses here, such directions will change, accept worlds there or apply worlds there, and all of this is all of this yes pictures p mykola what do you know about the staff at the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant because we talked to the representatives of the city council they say about facts and kidnappings and torture in the basement there and some have left, are there enough staff and in what state are they now psychologically and physically even i will tell you. yes, the details. i don’t know, but no one brings the information. psychological state and personnel, they have already earned the memory of the guys with their lives. weeks, but people just didn't know where their families

were. well, when i arrived, i arrived at five in the evening or six, i don't remember anymore, and the first thing i noticed was a fence covered with white papers, and when i approached, they grabbed me by the head, my eyes became wet. who knows where my wife is, the same situation, i saw the same situation on the focal point, i worked there for 10 years and in the advisory committee, too, the same people did not leave their position, but no one knew who remained after, well, after the blows, and indeed many guys were lost, that's the same thing today he works as a staff member at the station, so he doesn’t know, he will have to work with his family for revenge, his wife is alive, she didn’t weigh anything anymore, i don’t know anything, you are absolutely worth the wild

situation, mr. mykola, we thank you for your professional comments on our broadcast mykola shteinberg, chief engineer of the chernobyl nuclear power plant, as the head of the state nuclear safety committee is also the former minister of steam, fuel and energy of ukraine, let's continue to talk about energy, and then gennady ryabtsev, an energy expert and director of special projects, should join of the psyche center, mr. gennadiy we welcome you to begin with an assessment of the costs and profits of the russian state budget, russia's revenues from the export of fossil energy in the first 6 months of the war in ukraine significantly exceeded the costs of the war in ukraine, this is stated in the report of the finnish center for energy and clean air research cr and they are called spiegel, the authors of the study found that russia's income during this

period was the equivalent of 158 billion euros, on the other hand, the cost of the war for russians is estimated at 100 billion euro analysis records that means they earned one and a half times more. analysis records oil, gas and coal exports in the period from february 24 to august 24, which means that the eu was the largest buyer of 85 billion euros, followed by china with only 35 billion euros. in the eu, the leader in the purchase of russian energy resources is of course germany's 19 billion euros made it the second largest buyer of russian purchased fuel in the world right after china in principle, the war can go on endlessly, what should be done to change this proportion, please, this proportion is temporary, first of all, it arose as a

result of high quotations for energy products, which are a consequence, in particular, of the russian invasion of ukraine, and uh, this is uh, it was predicted about it. everyone said and including the researchers, the report of which you refer to, and there is nothing surprising about it, the federal budget of the russian federation is prepared taking into account the average price of oil urolls 44 $, well, a little higher 44.2 dollars while now russia is selling its oil, even with a 30% discount, for somewhere between $68 and $72 a barrel, and this is much more than they all expected, the same applies to gas, which in the last year has

risen in price by somewhere between seven and eight years ago during this year during let's see the next movement or all or part of it, the russian federation will receive excess profits from energy trade and the consequences for it will only begin at the end of the next one, yes, at the end of the next one , maybe in a year, when it will decrease significantly will decrease and the objective reasons for this are the production of both oil and natural gas, but now something should be done in order to reduce the income from the sale of oil and gas. well, of

course you can, but these are measures that neither the united states states, and not the european union, mr. gennadiy, gas prices in europe have increased by 30%, how will this affect us, well, due to the shutdown of the north stream from the 30% plant, they have decreased by 30%. well such information such information decreased by 30%. that is, gas will be cheaper now now it is about the fact that you and i are discussing quotations, we are discussing the expectations of financial speculators regarding the future prices of natural gas , if the plans of the russian federation to reduce the volume of natural gas supplies to the member states of the european union are implemented, then the prices will be

, if they are reduced, then the prices may rise up to three and up to four dollars per thousand cubic meters. well, here everything will depend on whether the appetites of these same financial scoundrels will not be limited , because the real relationship between demand and by offering, it forms the price of gas in europe in accordance with economic laws at a level no higher than $700 per bank per 1000 cubic meters of the border, and the price of oil no higher than $40-50 per bar, but unfortunately we have to deal with those with models liberalized to the point of impossibility with models of energy markets that allow the presence of exactly these financial structures on these markets that speculate on this and who

do not care whether there is a war there or not, or whether someone in russia receives, well, excess profits or not excess profits to them the main thing is to get excess profits by himself and we have such a paradoxical situation when, based on the ratio of supply and demand, the supply of oil is much more than the demand for it, but the price of oil is increasing , the supply of natural gas is about as much as the demand for it, but still copying this situation needs to be changed. exactly , these are the reasons i said that the united states and the european union for some reason do not pay attention to them and they only introduce either an embargo or agreed to some of these new restrictions, but the root cause

of high prices, which actually creates all the first reasons for the future social discontents, dissatisfied people in europe for some reason put up with this reason and do not miss the point of forcibly removing it from the markets of those speculators who, by the way, well, including the financial one, let's say yes, and the summer of the russian federation, which she will also receive yes, yes, let's, let's watch one video, just to dilute our serious conversation a little bit, it's very important yesterday, a very interesting clip appeared on the internet, which was obviously filmed by order of jsc gazprom of russia, well, at least

it is not given on his behalf, but in the frame, at least his logos. this song is lit up to the song of the famous yuri vizbora, and the winter will be big, let's go the beginning , let's see, then i'll comment more, please, let's watch , and apparently i'm old, they die in the fall, what did they want to see, and at the end, the winter will be big there, only twilight and snow, well, in the video you can see how an employee of gazprom closes the valve of russian gas and then the entire country

of the european union turns into one big icicle. that is, all the european windmills freeze completely. solar electricity freezes. everything turns into characters from the movie 2012. i think you remember the apocalypse, when the gulf stream turned and all of europe froze, sir. hennadiy have you seen this clip? and who is it aimed at? it is more likely the russian consumer or us european consumers. if it is european , then why didn’t they include a song there? come on, come on, outsider from freibu, do you remember the terrible weather at christmas, why did the russian russian vizbora put, uh, who might be interested in the fact that this is a barren europe, or is this a possible development of a similar apocalyptic scenario for the countries of the european union? guppies who have no

memory there for three seconds they remember something and then forget something i think you also remember the times of the soviet union when we were all told that autumn pyrolism it rots there rots and then all the capitalist countries will collapse, there will be revolutions in all capitalist countries, and they will become as socialist as the soviet union, so , so, literally, we need to wait, we need to tighten the belts, and after that, we will all celebrate this collapse of this imperialist world and over the whole world the red flag will prevail well , this is about the same as what is happening now and here are all the clips that are being filmed and they think that you are here, the same thing will happen hmm what is the european union

in the united states - these are colossus even for such feet of clay and they will fall here again, er, but er, the russian federation will shut down naftogaz and that and others there will really shut down, so what will be the further development of events, well, prices will be high, but the heating season will pass normally, it will end normally, everyone will survive er, so there will be , er, there will be a large number of problems, and these problems , i say once again, are related not only and not so much to the fact that russia is doing something there, but to what some transnational financial industry structures are doing, er, and actually speaking what they do on all the stock, currency, financial and e-e commodity markets, and the consequence of this is the formation of,

for example, 10 to the 15th power of dollars, which are not supported by anything at all, that is, it is air, but which allow those companies that are now called including in the war in ukraine and uh, if this is the speculative component, if only to limit it a little, we know that he who laughs last laughs best. well, let them laugh in moscow there until the end of the heating season, well, this is the most enough of their laughter. thank you genadiy ryabtsev , energy expert, director of special projects of the psyche center, commented on gas

issues . i congratulate you, the authors, on the gas issue, i would also like you to comment on how much europe you currently assess europe’s efforts to become more independent of russian gas, so that they are not such videos terrorized the whole world with such videos. have you seen this video, mrs. victoria, and it will be winter , how big is it, how is it sung only, twilight and snow, a little louder, victoria, yes, let 's try again and get closer to the microphone. now, please, let's establish a connection, i saw it quickly to be honest , these intimidations already look very funny against the background of the fact that, starting from germany,

there was quite a lot of consumption of russian gas and dependence on russian gas , and the gas storage is already 85% full. and today according to the minister or because of the statement that uh, germany will not have its nuclear blocks, what they planned to do. by the way, it was mrs. merkel's policy that contributed precisely because germany became more and more dependent on russian gas, so the nuclear blocks they they won't turn it off this winter, as it was planned, they were covering the shortage of gas at the expense of the energy that will be produced at nuclear plants, they have actually now replaced germany with the gas that came from russia. they are taking this gas from norway. well, in general, if you look at it this way, the main key european countries have finally realized that from

the point of view of security, and energy security is equal to general security, it is no longer a theoretical issue for them, we are a practical one, and they are doing everything in order to reduce dependence on their gas as much as possible, although we perfectly understand that it can't be done in one day, but i agree with mr. gennady, who is who? and the europeans are unlikely to freeze in their homes. i think that it might be a little cool for them, but the fact that they are imperceptible it's 100% victoria, isn't it frozen, let's talk about our gas, let's talk about ukrainian gas, do we have enough of it, and how much will it cost for the population, they said that it will be a fixed price, but for business, is there any understanding for business, since it will be the price, just like that, let's go let's talk. i would actually talk a little about other mountains, not about how much gas will cost, not

about whether it will be enough or not, because well, if you look at the general numbers, it seems that we should have enough of everything, but we have to understand one thing and the key thing is that the enemy will try to destroy these lands, precisely our critical infrastructure, energy facilities, starting from generation, that is, those that were to generate electricity, the facilities of our station, those that generate heat, those that carry out the delivery of this heat, electricity, hot water to our homes, that is why it was agreed about how quickly we are ready to repair the equipment that will be destroyed, possibly by the enemy, and here you and i, mr. sycamore, have the biggest problem, because the companies that work in this field in this direction are as of today, they have used all their strategic reserves for repair during the first six

months, and we are entering the winter with you, where these companies, firstly, do not have the necessary equipment in their warehouses, as it was before, and secondly, they still have no money to buy it, because the level of calculations for the services provided for the electricity provided for the same heat at the beginning of spring it is quite low, that is, the yves rocher company does not care about this and our government will play a very big role here or will it be able to contact our partners they gave the necessary technical assistance in the form of equipment, we don't need money, on which someone will probably somehow make money and we need equipment we need all the elements that we will need if god is impressed heat power plants heat electricity our networks gas networks and so on this is one of the most of such transparent ones were brought in is the next element, yes. and

then what should be done now, in principle, two more months before frost, i tell you. i looked at the forecast today, you know, on october 14, the temperature in in kyiv, it will be -2 at night and the first frosts will arrive on october 14th, that is, you need to be ready before that, well, this is a preliminary forecast, please. well, you do a few things first. i would start with people, people. to an apartment building where there may not be heat, uh, and the temperature outside will be, for example, 0-5 there for a week, and even if i have an electrical appliance, i still won’t be able to heat this room, what should i do? where should i go, where should i wear? this packed suitcase, which is always next to me, and also an understanding of the plan where i would like to buy my own family. i'm sorry for this, but this is the

reality. second, there is the next group of people who will not be able to leave the big cities, if i don't let it, the heating and electricity supply will be stopped, as a result of which e- problems that may arise as a result of the relevant russian shelling of our facilities, there are people who will not be able to leave, and those who are elderly and have health problems, and here there is already a question for the local government organized a network in all the key big small towns in the heating center, where people will be able to go, where they will be equipped and where the same solid fuel boilers will work. and the third. this is nationwide. today, the state must check all companies and

ask them what and how to help you in order for you to form this repair reserve . be, for example, the same transformers, which, god forbid, if they are put out of order, there will be huge problems with electricity supply, so there are three levels, and at each of them, every day, local and general authorities and the authorities at the general ukrainian level must do their part work in order to prepare for the worst. thank god it's still september. thank god there is still some time, but something i don't really see is that we have information about where they will be formed and what to expect from the e authorities of the central heating center where people will be able to in the worst case, find shelter for yourself, that is, you don’t see, i’m just. maybe we missed something at the level of the central government, you don’t see these

movements now, because, well, we’ve been talking about it since the beginning of summer , everyone already knew that it would be autumn, that’s how things turned out in some broadcasts with mr. yehor, we were just talking about this, that the central government is doing this on purpose, perhaps calculating that it will be a headache for the people in the cities in the localities. yes, then so that it would be possible to move the arrows and say well, you see, this is your local government, which is not managed in this way, it is possible to destroy or try to destroy your political competitors, well, this is a full announcement. it seems to me that when it comes to people, ukrainians, you should forget about any political, territorial, accusations or accusations. all this political uh-uh boring, we need to help each other and i would create an otaki state where uh-uh, there would definitely be representatives of the local

community, there would definitely be representatives of the central government, there would definitely be representatives of our european and american partners, wherever there would be clearly, this is the program for creating a network that you want heating. what is needed, when it will be done , the program for providing this, this, the supply of repair equipment for the company that supplies gas , electricity, heat, what is needed, who will be able to do what, what is missing, when it will be done, and this everything should be, but i don't see it. unfortunately, well, it all translates to the level of local self-government. what do you know about the restoration of the chp , these are kremenchuk and okhtyrka sumyshchyna, which were destroyed and promised that before the start of the heating they will be renewed during the season, but there are colossal budgets. again, i took it under the control of the ministry, that is, the central government. but in fact , now the local government is left with this problem

. well, the people there are actually the same problems in the city of chernihiv, which is one of the first to suffer well, you know, the promises from the central government sound very nice, we will provide you with partial financing, and there are also some partial sub-financings from international partners, but physically, practically, it is either behind him or there, that is, nothing did not move so fundamentally, and there are big questions, what will happen to people and where? well, where will they move when it becomes, well, impossible to just live in their houses like this in their apartments? here, the government should also have, in addition to uh, voicing horror movies, what part do you remember exhausted kharkov there zaporizhzhia, er, and some other names were also called how in populated areas, so that it is possible to be forced to evacuate like this. i would very much like to er, to ukrainians, in addition to the word forcible evacuation, because they voiced the words and

specifically and under what conditions, where they are waiting for these forced evacuation and what is the government ready to actually help people move to parts of ukraine so that everything is ready there and not just say forced evacuation badi victoria, i would like you to comment on this initiative to sell electricity to the ukrainians of the european union by a specially created company that will be this is an initiative of the president's office, why is there a separate campaign that will be initiated by the president's office in order to do this, can't these companies independently generate and sell electricity in market conditions, do you remember it was like this the scandalous story of russia ukrenergo, which was sold by intermediaries for the sale of gas a-a in ukraine yes , this reminds me very much of the whole history and not only this history, in fact, this idea of ​​creating a

state-owned company with a single coach has been circulating for a long time not only these authorities, the previous authorities also have such ideas, well, one can say that the minister of energy dreamed of such a scheme, let's not forget two things, first, only under the conditions of the conference, how will we get the best conditions, and the presence of only one player is not will ensure that we as a country can earn as much as possible from the sale of electricity that we generate, i.e. i have a very big question mark regarding motivation, the more players there are, the more chances we have to get better prices for ukraine here, it is unlikely that this will be done the second time, we are with you, thank god we function, we live under the conditions of the existing and adopted law on the electricity market, which precisely stipulates that such artificially created monopolies

have no right to exist at all, that is, the philosophy of the law according to which we are with you today we live from the pre-supposed creation of an open, transparent, understandable, operating according to the rules of the market, and the market is when there are several players, not just one, and i generally have a huge question mark about this company, which seems to have is already headed by the former manager of rinat akhmetov and the dtek company, whose motives are he actually pursuing her motives? to us as a state, not to play, it's the people ms. victoria, thank you for your comments victoria voytsytska people's deputy