wild creatures are not able to choose anything else and we in ukraine like to choose everything even if it is insurance on hotline finance hotline finance insurance online of course good evening we are from ukraine vasyl zima's big broadcast my name is vasyl zima two hours of air time and my colleagues are with you until 21 :00 two hours of your time we will talk about the most important thing two hours to learn about the war it turns out our broadcast serhiy zgoretska military summaries of the day and what is the world like what is there in the world yuriy the physicist will tell two hours to be in the course of economic news, oleksandr marchenko protested. he talks about the economy during the war and new sports. evgeny pastukhov is ready to talk about sports for two hours in the company of his favorite

presenters , about culture during the war. natalka didenko is ready to tell us some optimism, and we will also have distinguished guests of the studio today . smart and caring people in the evening, most of the time until the evening . we are from ukraine in the cockpits of the airplanes behind the monitors of the radar stations at the control points of the anti-aircraft missile complex for 1000 combat positions throughout the territory of our country. they bring victories closer every day. kudos to the air force of the armed forces of ukraine. congratulations, nothing new, it’s monday 12- 12 usual time usual tv channel espresso and this means that my name is yuri fizer and you are watching the program world during the war on our

tv channel every week. i invite guests from with which he discusses issues that are sometimes difficult for me to perceive, and maybe i am asking you questions in order to hear from them a professional answer to them, eh, before introducing my first guest, i want to remind you once again that you can watch us, obviously, on the espresso tv channel at least where it has not been turned off, as well as in social networks and in particular on youtube, those who watch us on youtube and those who will watch after the broadcast, please like it if you like this program, like it like it if we don't like it, although i would prefer that you like it. well , write a few words about that. and what do you think about what we will discuss now, and whoever will watch it later discussed it, it is very important for us first of all, but this is also important for the promotion of our program on the youtube network. well, let

me introduce the first guest . viktor shlinchak, head of the board of the institute of world politics, joined me via skype. greetings, mr. viktor. greetings, mr. yurii. thank you for joining. thank you. will you give an expert answer, as i said, to those questions that seem difficult to understand to me? well, explain in particular to our viewers as well. well, what will i talk more about with you, unfortunately? if i didn't want to, about russia, please tell me last week the levada center with russia published a new survey it seems that it was last week. and according to this new survey, 76% of citizens believe that they receive a so-called special military operation on the territory for a fortune of ukraine, and this is only 4% less than it was in march, in march, 80% supported.

viktor, you explain to me this is some kind of surrealism . tens of thousands of russians have died for nothing. there is a definite worsening of life in russia. such numbers can be explained. everything is explained very simply . that tv that ukrainians spit on, according to these people. as we say now, we need to make a clear diagnosis. they are really addicted to propaganda. they are focused on propaganda and they are mostly those people who have very little understanding of what the truth is , they go to the internet very little, as

other studies show, for example, about 70% of russians very rarely focus on news from the internet, and that's what i think that we will soon reach this number because the five or six percent who support russia's aggression against ukraine are still using the internet, i think that if there is a month or two we will reach this threshold of 70% for sure will be imposed exclusively on tv users. and we understand that russian tv is this porridge that the kremlin is building for its uh, wards, well , you know this kind of porridge. it is not sweetened, it is not salted , it is not sugared, but still, as it turned out, this

herd eats this porridge, unfortunately unfortunately, it is because, unfortunately, later he supports what putin and his posipaks are doing in ukraine, see yesterday, you know, just before the war, for example, they used to say what is the difference between ukraine and russia, that is, russia, if you show for three months on tv, on their tv, that ukrainians have become brothers and that they are no longer nationalists and fascists, but they are wonderful people. i think that 70% of them, after three months, will begin to believe in this, instead, it is precisely the ukrainian mentality aimed at the fact that we always question any information and what is written in online publications and what is given on forums and what is managed in telegram channels and on tv, respectively, ukrainians will search for

information and will dig for some truth and this kind of mahrov propaganda just won't work here, and i think that there is a very big difference between the ukrainians, the patient, and as you said , it's very good that we are now filtering this information , because at the beginning of the war, i remember everyone read a lot er, often the internet is a telegram channel and we trusted these telegram channels enough and saw that not everything should be believed and what you say , we are now being filtered, russians, unfortunately , do not read telegram, or viber, not viber, you would. i apologize to other vibers they probably read and others e channels, and all the more plus, in addition to this , the russian propaganda tv channels, about which you have also already mentioned, and here we have, to our great regret, what we have, mr. viktor, passed yesterday, er, putin's spokesman dmitry peskov did not say this yesterday, it was the day before yesterday evening, it seemed that putin's spokesman dmitry peskov

said that in the interview, moscow, in addition to putin , said that putin putin is not against negotiations with ukraine, but he made one amendment that uh, hmm, how should there be one language, how will kyiv fulfill moscow's conditions, earlier they said that the special operation will continue. the so-called special operation will continue until the previously set goals. at first it was the liberation of the entire donbas, now the return of some, in their opinion, former russian cities . they somehow sidestep that it was not our initiative, it should be zelenskyy's say , and after that he should make some concessions to the kremlin. let's talk about it more thoroughly, because it is really important, there are two components here, the first component is tactical, because the

russians are really now interested in some tactical pause along the entire front line, they need to regroup, they need to strengthen, and they need to use this time to organize a second offensive or repeated offensives along the front line, they are really exhausted a little, and in the technical plan too, they now need to build up their forces from the other side, there is an ideological component in all these statements of piskov, because they need to send him to their society to the russian society a few theses for those who doubt, they should send a thesis that we are not losing yet we are now in such a situation that it is beneficial for us to use such tactics for those who advocate a sharper, sharper attack

, such as those people who listen to bitters on the other hand, this is a message about what is necessary, that we reserve the possibility of further aggression with reinforcement, and for those who do not want war, they also have such a message that russia is theoretically ready for some kind of dialogue, that is, they are also working on their own audience considering the fact that there is a real threat of a decrease in the number of supporters of the so-called special operation, and in fact of the war in ukraine , i understand that he is now facing a big dilemma, on the one hand, he is not yet allowed to suffer any major losses on the front line, well

they are working to preserve the audience we talked about earlier, that is, de facto, they still want to preserve the majority that will support the actions of the russian authorities regarding ukraine, but do they themselves want or does kremy himself want these negotiations not just to work on his internal audience? it will definitely be the end of the war and that it will be security for ukraine at the moment eh none of these factors they eh are not true because we on the ukrainian side understand that eh in this case russia is interested in talking about negotiations because she really wants what she already said. she wants

a break in order to build up her strength, regroup and move on. that is, she does not refuse, which is confirmed by the way. by the way, the american general also wants to resign, which is not yet clear that putin has abandoned his previous plans and he is definitely i am forced to retreat now, that is, i think that this is an exclusive tactic in order to demonstrate, first of all, to internal audiences that they are ready for some kind of negotiations, but no more, that is, purely situationally, as you say, the tactics for this situation are clear. let's listen to one of putin's statements that he made last week. then i will ask him questions about our mission, the

mission of our soldiers who were exchanged. that on the territory of today's ukraine they began to create an anti-russian oncologist who threatens our country, therefore our guys who are fighting there also protect the people of donbass and protect russia itself and of course it does not deserve any kind of support from society, it is very important from the side of young people, because the guys who fight there are risking their health and many are dying, so they must understand that they are giving their lives , this is because of incidentally important things from russia and for people who live in the donbas p viktor look at this putin said in kaliningrad at the first lesson in one of the local schools and there he says that they are dying, they came, this can be evidence of such a statement, you know, such a pseudo-patriotic hype

of young russians may testify to some weakness of putin. maybe he has some of this, we don't know, of course, but maybe he has some sociological data about the fact that he is real sociological data about the fact that he is losing support and that's how he will drive around in the regions , this may indicate its weakness, and i think that this indicates that in russia they do not rule out the transition to general mobilization, that is, they are starting to ideologically feed their russians with the fact that it is necessary to defend their motherland and what they died for er, their sons and so further, i.e. now, de facto , the thesis that was before is a little twisted, and de facto now, putin is just trying to talk about the pike, and it seems to me that there

is such an informational basis in order to later have this tool as a general mobilization . by the way it is even in russian publications. i am forced to read them as part of my work. i can already see how it went and there are many reviews that many russians perceive it as a call to go and fight with ukraine, and i think that this is now starting to scare many people, despite on that that before it was somewhere eh well, they thought that it was somewhere far away, but now it is gradually approaching every russian family and it seems to me that this very realization can change , including the picture in the heads of those people who these, for example, six or seven percent that we talked about are still wavering. well, you really

convinced me because, for example, this third army army corps, which, as they say , is now falling to the south of ukraine. there, i read and heard that in the army corps somewhere around there must be 70-80,000 soldiers and in order for them to be collected, i don't remember exactly where near novgorod, they collected another 20-30 thousand. i guess this is evidence that what you are saying is that the russians do not want to go despite all the campaign that is currently being conducted in russia, they do not want to sign up as volunteers for this so-called special operation, and that it is probably necessary to encourage them somehow, to pump them up politically, to push them to go, and this is really so, see earlier, it was all explained by the fact that someone must be saved now it it doesn't work anymore, six months have passed, this thesis doesn't work at all, and now, uh, excuse me, uh, putin or putin's team is starting to resort to the same

gas that hitler promoted in 1944, that is, de facto, when there were no longer enough resources in the fascist in germany, hitler began to proclaim approximately the same theses. hitler was about to recruit 16-year-old boys to go to war with the emerging soviet union . well, not only from the soviet union, that's why here. how much do russian society know about this, and the propagandist solovyov in one of his last broadcasts, again talk show broadcasts. he cried precisely about this: oh my god, they call us racists oh my god, they call us something else there, but you showed this analogy really putin putler hitler it actually works viktor please tell me

if there is a limit to putin's nuclear blackmail i will personally tell you right away and i said this on previous programs personally, i do not believe that he will, for example, resort to some kind of provocation at the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant power plant that he is just scaring us, but is there a limit to this blackmail, let's go back to march and april, the month when there was a de facto high probability that putin would use tactical nuclear weapons, to which the united states of america, not only the united states america and britain have given an unequivocal signal that as soon as tactical nuclear weapons will be used, and that not for defensive purposes, it is likely that the first would be used by the aggressor country precisely for offensive purposes, which contradicts any these vines, and in principle, this contradicts even the

doctrine that is written in russia, so if this is done, then they will get putin even at a depth of 2 km in the bunker ruins to which he can be evacuated, and after that, motor activity went into decline, look even according to the speeches of the same person, now it is a different story. that is, this is a story that was involved even when the russians entered chornobyl, do you remember that now it continues at the zaporizhzhia npp, that is, de facto, the element of blackmail is present, but as shown here the last days that even this element of cargo is no longer perceived by the world as real, also because even this delegation that came to moscow and that

testified to some moments, uh, publicly, that flew from the wrong side and that, as the russian explained, i don't know who he is there, who showed that before the very fall she turned 180°. well, in particular, this, but i think that there will still be a lot of work to be done on the certificates, they did not show it to the journalists, after all, there are still two observers remaining at the zaporizhia npp, and for some reason i think that they are in this in this case, they won't be able to hide some radioactive cloud if they provoke it there, so... well, i can't fully guarantee now, but for 90%, or 95%, that zaporizhzhia sf is standing, everything will be fine there, and it will be exclusively and the story is another

collapse of such uh blackmail that the train resorts to him. by the way, there are very few real such elements left for blackmail. of course, he is now more involved in freezing europe, as they say in their publications, and i think that just the energy hmm this is it a weapon for which, too. by the way, the west has already stopped being conducted, and well, more likely, not to the west. and if we are talking about there in general, and a lot of countries have stopped conducting there, individual ones still allow themselves similar things. but nevertheless, i think that even this blackmail eh- winter blackmail, it will not pass either. and what elements of blackmail are still new? what do you mean by what you need to prepare for? what i am watching now is that russia threw in a lot of money

and a lot of lobbyists are now traveling around europe, and de facto they are now -e work very hard on in the information field, we need it in the country. i mean, we really need to strengthen the information field right now, because on the one hand , there is an understanding of what is happening in ukraine at the state level, but in society , it still feels like this, well, i won't say what is this, what is this tiredness, but you know that it is leaving the front pages of newspapers or there, er, from the first news of ukraine, and this means that the society is beginning to be less interested in what is happening in ukraine, now it is necessary to intensify it, and i think that well, i i really hope that the ukrainian authorities will try harder to do this now. that is, we need to throw our people into europe in the same way so that they tell the truth. of course,

money is being thrown in crazy now. well, this even applies to the american changes. we now see that from time to time there even in respectable publications, there are articles that carry a frankly russian narrative, and we are quite worried because, as i already said, russian money works very hard, and in this case, there is a visa issue that is starting to move now in order to prevent these lobbyists from entering europe, i think they will play a positive role because the fewer of them there, the better it will be, so let's hope that we will do our work in europe as soon as possible, and there won't be any of them there in general, viktor thank you for participating in the sweet program during the war thank you for the fake professional answers well, i will remind

our viewers that i had the head of the board of the institute of world politics viktor shlinchak on the phone, i was told that the second guest was also in contact with me i am ready to introduce him - this is oleksandr hara, an expert on foreign and security policy of the center for defense strategies . greetings, mr. oleksandr. good day, mr. yury . thank you for joining . to communicate mr. oleksandr please tell me , my first question will be this, uh, i often hear about it lately, and in the last week i very often hear about the fact that we are almost doomed to go to war with russia, and to what extent do you think all this seriously well, i think that despite the craziness that the kremlin is planning and they almost won in ukraine, they destroyed nazism here and still, it is definitely different that the military are definitely not idiots and

understand that if ukraine could not be dealt with, it is normal methods, a conflict with nato may involve the use of nuclear weapons as european patuchs, and in europe there are also france and britain who can respond. regardless of washington, by and large, plus there are five countries that have american weapons on their territory nuclear weapons, and for this reason what is called neutonucleosherin in the program, can be used in the event of a conflict with nato. i am not talking about the united states. that is, this is such madness that actually, or hardly even some hard-headed russian generals would like to see another question to scare another question to scare with nuclear weapons placing it, for example, on the territory of belarus in the u.s. means of course that this will fundamentally change the security situation in northern and

western europe by and large, and it is also definitely possible to be intimidated by the fact that the u.s. continuation supplies or some new types of weapons that our western partners can transfer to us will be such a red line that alcoholic bear constantly writes about this in his telegram, uh, it means that he scares with the conflict directly with the sign , that is, you know all this, moscow teaches on an elephant but i i think that their madness is not enough to start the third world war, that is, as i understand it, you still do not consider the russians and the russian military leadership to be idiots , even after what they did on february 24 and when on the 20th, on the 28th, they were already supposed to be at the parade in kyiv. that is, you after all. well, you know, there is such a moment here, there are those who say that it was definitely

idiocy in general, and even the hardliners are so soviet, i don't remember the name of the general. he said what to do, but there are others who believed that they were not informed, that the plans were not developed, that there was an idea that ukraine does not exist, you can easily take it, and since all this was being prepared there by the fsb , they simply say that all these failures of the military, which they are, are not because of the russian army it's fake, it's analog, it's not that powerful, it's not that powerful, and because it wasn't prepared , because it didn't go hard from the very beginning, i really don't know. after mariupol, volnovakha and kharkiv, as we see every day, what does it mean to be tough? something hard, but in their minds, eh. they think that it could have been different if they had prepared, if the higher management had not faltered and relied on eh, that means all these secret servicemen. now let's talk about something else. last

week, a meeting of foreign ministers took place affairs of the member states of the european union, and so they made a political decision not to ban the entry of all russian women into the territory of the member states of the european union, but only to complicate the process of issuing these schengen visas to russians , that is, now they will be a little more expensive there it seems that it was 40 euros, now it will be 80, there will be a much longer process of waiting for the result, and there is something else. how do you comment on such a decision ? semi-western, of course, they are like that for me. let's say yes, the marker of such is the reaction to the death of mr. gorbachev, and if, for example, the germans expressed some uh, it means regret and said that he did not bring peace to europe, freedom

to certain peoples, yes well, of course, something is wrong with the germans about the unification of germany on fairly good terms. we will say yes and definitely that they are right , but unfortunately they ignore the experience of central and eastern europe of the former soviet, that is, the colonies of the soviet union, moscow, to be more precise. the warsaw pact and actually this is a key moment, the baltics and poles, well, above all, the baltics and even the fims say this is a threat, russian tourists should not wander around europe when their army is killing ukrainians, which means western europe is old europe , the french and germans say no, we are supporters of the transformational role of these troops, because the russians come to europe, look at freedom, democracy and return. and they try to implement it there, and they actually ignore their own empirical experience. for 30 years, russian

the federation was welcome, it was welcomed in various formats, including by citizens who traveled around europe, but for some reason we actually see a fascist state where a small layer of russians actually speak out, or do they even have the courage to somehow master this fallow of fascists and genocidal of this war. and by and large, somewhere somewhere, 76% of russians support the conduct of this so-called special military operation, this study of the lion to the center was made public just a couple of days ago, and more half of the russians are happy because it is a matter of pride, it is caused by the operation of the russian military in ukraine. so what a transformative role, let's say, the possibility that the russians will come to myth and bring the democrats