it's too little, i'll say more, marco, once again, returning to our fair courts, is he fair or not, there is still an appeal, this is the decision of the court of first instance on the transfer to arma. it seems so, and then it's uh, well, it's varks, i'm sorry, it's not the first instance - it's the anti-corruption the court, but there is still an appeals chamber. yes, that is correct in the aks, and it is obvious that there is still a week of the week that yevtushenko's lawyers will definitely file an appeal , what kind of appeal it will be, it is still unknown there, the review process is very short, especially for such kind of a-a court proceedings a-a first instance if i am not mistaken five days and the processor of the review of appeals too five days the first meeting of the commission

on august 22, the commission initiated the creation of a working group and asked for the assistance of the cabinet of ministers in this process, that is, people who will actually help prepare projects of documents, actually, and as far as i know , the process of forming this working group is still ongoing, i think that after this, actually, the movement will go much faster, and it would be very good, we expect that somewhere at the end of september, the competition will actually be announced itself. will put the wheels in the wheels because the very fact that the parliament is considering this draft law endangers the work of the commission, so if the commission understands that today and tomorrow they may make some changes to the requirements for candidates, then we understand that it is impossible to announce a competition under these conditions, but i think that the commission will discuss this story at the next meetings. and how long do you think the competition itself will take? it shouldn’t

take more than three or four months, but we have seen and observed a competition for a specialized anti-corruption prosecutor’s office somewhere . the process lasted almost two years, yes, if it goes smoothly, it will happen before the new year and we will get a new director, but if it is done again with political pressure and influence, well, that it can drag on for several years, well, look, in principle, there is a first deputy head of the gyuzu, well, let him work for himself, in principle, well, in no way, the so-called anti-corruption fight in ukraine, well , it will not suffer from this, even if there is no full-fledged head, he acquired, you understand correctly, what kind of authority there is no the heads that the head should have a full set, and in the case of nabu, the situation is really better than with sap, because the person performing the duties of the head of the company did not have

the technical assistance that the person performing the duties should have. we simply did not give the position of the deputy prosecutor did not permit the entry of certain documents, and accordingly sap had very limited influence, and there is no such thing in the nabu plan, the nabu can function . - and there is a question yes, what is the situation here? well, look at the director - this is not only a function. well, there is also a political shield for his employees, and i will give you an example with a sap when there was no head of a sap, it is very difficult prosecutor a-a they will fulfill their duties because they are constantly under pressure from corruption and people connected with politics or power and a-a not everyone can resist this kind of influence because you must understand that an ordinary prosecutor ego no one knows how to intimidate

him it is much easier to buy it if there is no political support and protection, and in this case the head of the institution is a kind of shield that protects against this kind of influence, and of course he is needed with the arrival of klymenko, we see immediately that some cases how ukrnafta is allowed a-a are transferred a-a to the courts, you have new a-a announcement of suspects and so on, that is, it works much faster and logically, it should be a-a in this case, after the head of the director, we have how would a similar role of an institution for its full-fledged functioning requires a leader the leader who will develop this institution suffers directly catastrophically from what it will be director marko is needed. how much will go to the competition ? well, look, my colleague answered very

correctly . it is possible to change some conditions of the law - this means that the documents that you will accept that regulate only this competition must take place may no longer be relevant. waiting for the parliament to finish this additional delay, we don't know how long it will last, then, after that, the competition itself will begin immediately, then, after that, when the competition ends, the cabinet will have to choose winners from three candidates, and again, how much is it, how much is it, nobody knows i know, in principle, the contest for the head of nabu should have started even before the powers of the sytnik ended. well, as you can see, how much time has passed and the contest still hasn't started. do you follow the topic of naftogaz and do you understand what is happening there? because it has been

declared in default, people's deputy oleksii kucherenko says that naftogaz has paid out more than uah 500 million to the members of the board , according to his data, it is 12 million uah. this is yuriy vitrenko actually, andriy kobolev, serhii pereloma, the product is where the relayer is. well, in short, what is happening. kucherenko is such a person who, when kobolev was the head of naftogaz, he criticized the company very strongly and said that it was necessary to change the management and the head was changed, and the head of the board, then vetrenko became vetrenko again. kucherenko began to criticize vetrenko here, it’s very simple. kucherenko just wants control over the third enterprise, and maksym. as a journalist, too, everyone is not like that, because we are in a constructive

opposition, but in fact it is true. and about look at the premium payments, well, it’s interesting what time he is considering, because excuse me for a-a, it’s already been an hour, because he’s not a member of the management or verbal a-a naftogazo, so if i’m honest, i don’t quite understand what he’s being paid there. well, what they can't pay if i don't work in the company for hours moral damage can be moral damage well, no, the president does n't work like that, see, eh , the issue of premium payments. работы было играшь от стокголском от 5 billion dollars arbitrage gazprom defaults at vitrenko now kobolev does not work naftogaze you know and vytrenko works the question что эму выплачивают это отличный vopros we have an audit service, we have other regulatory bodies, a

good question, if the company is in default, if i ask the government for 200 billion uah, then what the hell is being paid to someone ? they look at us and understand what they are told in naftogaz, default, we need to add money from the budget, that is, to taxpayers , and there are such premiums, well, millions. well, in fact, i am always very careful with such information in the sense that to check and understand whether such payments really were made, that is, if there are any published documents, there are financial payments, then of course it is necessary to understand this problem. but again, very often similar information is heard there as certain unsubstantiated statements, and well, in this case, it is better not to annoy i simply cannot find people who associate with mr. kucherenko.

he usually provides verified information, please. i think this is not the first time a person has been in politics. but in general , we recently talked about the ukrzaliznitsa like this in us well, in connection with anti-corruption activities, we have mastered the experience of these supervisory boards where there are representatives of other countries and whether these multimillion-dollar bonuses of mrs. elena are justified in principle. such a mechanism should actually be understood that if these companies were actually private, then probably that there would be no complaints so uh, society is logical. there are certain questions about the results of work and so on. there are certain questions about the fact that when the services of the companies themselves are not of sufficient quality, but there are certain a-ah such high payments to management of course it is the whole society raises questions, but well, there is a

global solution to this problem, in fact, it is a transparent and honest privatization of such institutions, e.e. when the results for the results will be paid from private pockets, e.e., to highly qualified management, and then well, society will not have questions about this situation from the annual report kucherenko cites naftogaz for the previous year, and this amount is compensation for the termination in may of the first year of the contract with koboliv, uah 347 million , it works out to be 10 e-e, 10 million dollars. to understand means that the contract itself provided for this and you must understand that if he had not been paid this money according to the contract, he would have sentenced even more. he would have sentenced even more . well, these would be the decisions of the courts that

we had as a military man. tens of thousands of people. well, i understand everything about business. contracts everything else p marko but come on well, it just seems to me that it is immorally possible it is right it is according to the law it is according to the contract but it seems to me that the same kovaliv could take these 10 million and say you know that i transfer them and problems from the data the forces of ukraine are helping, it will be another matter for them, mark savchuk will pass it on thank you, see once again he was fired in the twenty-first year, we are now talking about the 22nd hour, well damn, seriously, once again, the salary of krutitiya is paid for what they do if they brought people to the country 5 billions of dollars, they naturally receive premiums if you are producing gas in ukraine , then for 5 years it has been falling for all five years, why did naftogaz find itself on the verge of default

? it is possible to say that about privat listening teams are managed by people, these people are not sick, but all the people who worked on the rehabilitation received bonuses for that money that they did not return to the company. lawyers and clients themselves do nothing. there is company management that advises them on the case . re works together with them and goes to these very courts , listen to understand what salary they are paid, the necessary one, too well, in the system that looks at what they earn in the company if kpi who puts out they perform, they receive bonuses, this is how they work in absolutely all state-owned private companies, it doesn’t matter if a person makes a big profit, and in oil and gas there was a huge profit, a bonus is paid to him,

is it possible to make a profit? the establishment of a system of natural gas production and an increase in gas production depends on the decisions of the cabinet of ministers, in order to increase production of natural gas , it is necessary to obtain additional licenses additional licenses, despite the establishment of the cabin since the 16th year, have not been obtained, there is a logical question about how to increase the production of gas, and if you are not here, but beshenye and beshenye are on the license document, an interesting question, let's figure it out. they issue from the increase in production is not happening well, okay, i’ll just remind you that if the windmill received 347.5 million for the termination of the contract, then somewhere around a third of ukrainian pensioners have a pension of 2000 kovals i'm sorry, he has a pension of 2027 uah. it's just 2027 uah and

347.5 million uah. well, what do you want to ask me ? well, let's compare, like, how 18-year-old programmers who work in learning machines earn a salary of 3-4 thousand. we will tell him , sir, we have such $270. it is not 3.4 thousand 50 $. the pension of a third pensioner well, okay, i won't be here football match alexandria where do we have such numbers how many grandmothers won the stockholm arbitration well damn well how much did they work during their life how much did they work during his life, moreover, he worked for soviet enterprises in order to pay them something . it periodically accumulates accumulates and then explodes, it is impossible to get uah 5 billion from

gazprom and at the same time say that this is happening by itself, these things are not inseparable, if you want competent management, then it is necessary will pay, but the people did not want competent management zelensky said the supervisory councils don’t care, they get huge salaries there, they planted a windmill that receives 50,000 uah, what did this lead to the fact that within an hour the company that was the largest donor to the budget of ukraine turned into a bankrupt, which now asking for uah 200 billion in the cabin, i'm one day , eh, the pearls of the veterlander well, the cobblers, okay, and here's someone there, too, with big compensation figures from our taxes, you know, the team is working, the team is the team is boiling tpi who approve the supervisory council, there sat competent people who from the company who were black in 14

turned it into the most profitable state company of ukraine and the largest donor of the budget of ukraine, this is what they did and we detect the question do they need to pay for it or not, we chose political, that no, we chose management that receives a monthly salary of uah 50,000 . now he is asking for 200 billion years from the chimney, the very person who worked kobolev's right-hand man headed naftogaz , what is the problem? well, what has changed from in the sense that kobolev was the head, so there was a supervisory council over him, they made a decision to fire vytrenko for they udo increased his work, after this

vetrenko came a circle with the presidents say guys, i can now make it so that nafturaz will be fine, the president's office says it's great, let's remove the supervisory council, here's egor, ah, yegor doesn't like him, they say high salaries, let's remove the damn mother, we'll remove the general director, we'll put litererenko, steer the winder, king, here's the result, the truth got confused twice did not become the minister of energy opportunities, but still well, it seems to me that it is not quite moral gives two uah 2,000 pensions for a third of pensioners 11 then for the war mrs. olena uh, please finish it and we will let you go, in fact, uh, you have to understand that we should have such a reform of corporate governance and i will just remind you that ah , we like it or not, but at one time

, the release of kobolev became a big problem for ukraine, it was criticized , including by our international partners, that's why this story also negatively affected the reputation of ukraine, and if we talk about payments, well, that is, they are also solved by issues of reforms, questions, and questions of changes, questions, questions, etc. i would not simply not compare the issue of pensions with these payments, because the issue of pensions must be resolved by pension reform, the issue of those payments must be resolved in a different way, so well, i understand that we all can don't like something again but we will never have quality managers in the corporate sector who make money in private business i don't mind why no one goes into private business for some reason everyone wants to be or a minister or head of a state corporation,

a private corporation, no one, private gas production in our country, and you don't want it. well, they don't want it, and they don't want it anyway. well, i don't know a single public servant who would later go into private business and engage in basic extraction, mr. zlochevsky, for example i.e. a person who was the minister of ecology and then transferred to yanukovych. when yanukovych was a far-fetched man, he left, of course, because there was no other option. well , it is difficult, this is a philosophical conversation. thank you for now the language is respected adviser on anti-corruption policy, axes are coming and the head of the council of civil control is nabu and olena shcherban commented on the anti-corruption vicissitudes of the battle lawyer of the anti-corruption center e-e we are joining right away oleg dunda with us mp of ukraine p olezhe we welcome you to see oksana savchuk

joining people's deputy of ukraine congratulations good day, mr. yehor. can i make a small comment on your previous discussion? i was very pleased and listened to the very funny deputies . first of all, for people to understand, they say that naftogaz 14th was a profitable structure for 18 years, but they do not tell why it was actually a profit on paper, because a three-fold increase in tariffs for the supply of energy carriers automatically makes the company profitable for this a lot of understanding on top management well, there is no further need , there was no increase in tariffs, we had the opposite situation when tariffs were frozen , the supply of gas in the price was frozen, this is despite the fact that we have a breakneck jump in gas prices in the world, for example, the same in britain,

now all the supply companies that supply energy carriers for the public sector are all unprofitable precisely because governments are trying to restrain the increase in tariffs in the first place. there, for example, britain also made a decision that it will partially compensate for this increase, respectively, all of them are unprofitable and therefore, there is no need to compare now the loss of naftogaz, which is actually created due to the fact that the situation on the gas market has changed. europe, including, and having a war with that paper punch drawn with a kobold in order to receive awards in the 14th 17th year and therefore i am anti-corruptionists who do not understand anything in the market for resources in general on this topic, well, what they carry we apologize, you can go to the circus oksana savchuk if you want to react, we just discussed,

we discussed the contract there, the termination of the contract, the report for the last year, kobolev, payment of 347.5 million uah , that is 10 million dollars, the person received it, i understand a good specialist, a specialist well, it would probably be moral, i would say now, because here i am giving money because the country is at war and it is probably necessary to help well, i do not advise, but this. that is, it is not my advice, he can dispose of it as he wants, but such sums. they receive a pension of two 27, then they read about seven million, surely they understand that they live in some kind of parallel reality, so look, i actually want to say that there was a promise to reduce wages, but it actually did not happen, because we know that and in naf naftogaz they receive high salaries and the same head of ukrposhta receives 435,000 hryvnias per month without

deductions , and he is the leader of the company. would they like to give these funds, for example, in the army, they already asked him from the same head of ukrposhta, they say that according to the contract, the state should pay them these funds, but they are doing their work, and the state should do its work in relation to them, so here i am convinced that the government should have made such an honest and fair decision to reduce the wartime payment of salaries in such a large court, the government is appointed rightly in such a way. they are independent. and what about the government? the forces of ukraine, the verkhovna rada can do everything, that is, please tell me what we are doing, just in such an informational situation, he is in relation to

poland, and there it is important because let's still talk about reconstruction, oleg, someone there wants us to give money for reconstruction and for the economy, you are in poland at the economic forum, correctly, which is aimed there, including raising funds for the reconstruction of the infrastructure of the economy to help the ukrainian people who suffered, please, look, there is no need to compare the forum of the carpathians of poland with the forum that was lugan and it was held. it is precisely this purpose that you said is primarily a forum and a global forum that tries to argue with davos from the point of view of the formation of the position of the economic position in general throughout the world and here it is very large respectively, there are representatives from poland, of course, there are also prime ministers and lekhachynsky, and there are many from the united states in general, from the baltic countries and from france, germany, and what's more, there are even ukrainian forms, a ukrainian panel that handles

issues related to ukraine there, and that's very good but there is a little sadness in this action, because despite the fact that there is a ukrainian panel where there is and will be talks about attracting funds as a separate small issue and reconstruction, but the representation of ukraine on such large forums is unsatisfactory well, even on ukrainian panels, there are a lot of discussions in which there are no speakers from ukraine. in general, there is a conversation about ukraine from there between lithuania, poland, and france, germany without ukraine, well, what can we talk about, or are there conversations? regarding the war in ukraine, where ukrainians are also not present. who should actually set the trends, set the future, the events that should take place, not poland, ukraine should do it - it should not be done by lithuania or france, but by the government of ukraine. well, as a deputy, we now have forum

it seems that there were 34 deputies from the ukrainian parliament present in three days . and from the point of view of the government, there are some secondary people who cannot communicate or represent the really strategic position of ukraine, and after all, my position is in the future. with the representatives of the authorities and the government of the president's office about the fact that ukraine ultimately needs to decide on its position, what should be the conditions of victory, what should be the world after our victory, what should what should the russian empire lose and pay in favor of ukraine? and in general, in what form should it be after that ? and what is happening right now, well, i’m sorry, it’s a

little bit like that in kolinka. well, i’m not present here because there is a government program there, because it’s my own initiative with our polish e-e partners there, british partners, because they are interested in exactly these issues the world system after our victory, how should it happen and does not say anything as a representative of the position of the opposition faction, i am just going to make a speech, excuse you, my behavior is primarily about the interests of the state and ukraine, first of all, this is also the second option, so what should we say then, because you government oksana savchuk of ukraine oksana samchuk your vision of this form of meaning and possible of course i did not get up,

you and i talked before this, i did not change, i was as i was and remained with me, i hope that there will still be a number of deputies in the parliament who will finally say that the parliament is the highest legislative body and it is not necessary for it. yes, you know, uh, disrespect this body, as they have been doing it lately. see the plus side of today's meeting in that it was possible to achieve that because there are many amendments today we did not consider the issue of increasing the excise tax on fuel, it was removed from the agenda , and we also did not consider the issue of introducing changes to of the state budget regarding the opening of the possibility of financing the repair of roads, my position on this matter. i expressed my opinion briefly. i will briefly summarize what is not possible today, when we enter the burning season when we are in the middle of what is delayed in our social

payments are universally mandatory, and here we open the possibility for someone to repair roads according to the system , only those who vote correctly will be repaired, in fact, it is opened for this purpose, although perhaps it would be necessary, er, and somewhere and these roads must be built, well, believe me, it must be done after victory, thank you very briefly, this amendment that allowed smoking in restaurants and hookahs was not approved no, it was yesterday, this amendment was failed and after the trial of the amendment, they passed a law that was generally about eco-products and products linked to geographical names, for example, there is brynza hutsulska, yes smoking they didn't allow it, because i was a smoker, i went to restaurants, sports kolshchyna, oleg oksana shevchuk, it will be very important for our viewers. today, we passed the bill in the first reading and shortened the submission of amendments

by half. it will apply to all those boys and girls who joined the territorial defense before being part of the armed forces of ukraine in the first two months of the war. that is, they will be granted the status of a participant in hostilities. believe me, this is very important, because today we have the families of those who died who were volunteers they were in the kyiv region and after that thank you oksana savchuk oleg hunda thank you to the people's deputies who joined ihor chicheryna and stay with the press to help faster back pain requires a powerful action against pain tolerance gel comes to the rescue and relieves pain tolerance gel strength against pain