and she simply wouldn't have heard but again it turned out that all these stories about the powerful first army of the world then she was the first they er not even the second er it turned out that she was completely behind and she didn't even have a fleet that could er resist the steamships of the british, french, and the maximum that this fleet managed to manage after it drowned the turkish ones, well, they were just too late to sink these ships in the sevastopol bay, again the symbol of sevastopol is a monument to sunken ships, that is ships that the russians themselves sunk in the bay, well, this is yet another example of a defeat that is given out for some er heroic not for a victory and some heroic heroic event er actually er further er and er russia was forced to sign them absolutely shameful for himself the peace of paris, which he forbade, he should

even have a flute on the black sea and build all the fortifications that were. well, the only thing i found was that the british did not go with the french, there they had, so to speak, disagreements if they took the crimea back then from russia, then probably history could take a different path, but again. this is the model according to which later russia lost more than one war, when it climbs somewhere, er, to the periphery, there it gets surrounded, er, makes heroic resistance and then capitulates. in the future, the war with japan is absolutely based on these scaremongers. well, before the war in afghanistan, in fact, the model shows how russia, and then the soviet union , and then the russian federation will lose, and the fact that the war in ukraine today will also be

sold based on this is thanks to such a scenario. here is speaking of crimea, i would also like to know that recently, i was just looking at interesting data that there were two general secretaries of the central committee of the cpsu who were ethnic russians, but they were allegedly russians - they are khrushchev and gorbachev, you even andropov, although he has a russian surname, but his mother is from finland people of origin, although they have the surname frikenstein. is it somehow so? well, that is, it is not quite russian. well, you know why they always say that khrushchev somewhere would have said the same thing as gorbachev. why is he of russian origin, because he is from the front of the caucasus, from stavropol edge ukrainians were not only ukrainians there, so today i think that khrushchev is a ukrainian somewhere, that's why he actually gave crimea, well, the transfer of crimea gave crimea, it was a decision of the supreme rada of the ussr well, i used to think that it was the verkhovna

rada of the ussr, but well, i read that it was supposedly a decision of the deputies of the soviet legislative assembly of the soviet union, that it was approved by the russian federation as part of the soviet union, the main administration that these volga immigrants who are not lived in crimea, began to riot when the key came to crimea and said let's send us home and at least understood that they were digging digging digging water did not find a bridge they could not put up they realized that it is such a suitcase without a handle it is better to hand it over to the ukrainian ssr let them be there in language economic reasons why because you know how and that something works, it is better not to break it, when stalin evicted the crimean tatars and deported him, he actually broke the already established economic economic system in addition to a crime against humanity

this was also a violation of the crimean economy, and crimea simply fell into disrepair after the war because there was no one to restore it, and of course immigrants from russia tried to establish it. but again , these were people who were not at all adapted to life in these it cannot be said that the ukrainians were adapted to the conditions. although, of course, they are closer to the crimea and the climate in the same kherson region is absolutely ukrainian, until this year, no one had any doubts, even the most russian chauvinists, that they consider ukrainians there yes, they understood in principle what could be done in the steppe crimea. but again, not in the mountainous crimea. and the main thing, what was lacking in the crimea, of course, was water, and the water could only

be ukrainian, that is, from the dnipro, so this was built the north crimean canal and which actually ensured the equalization of this water balance and after that it was already possible to introduce agriculture in the crimea, that is, the decision was completely economic for us, again if it is steeped in previous history, then we have ukrainians, the experience of relations between the crimean government and the ukrainian state of hetman skoropadsky, and there again, hmm, no matter what the mood of the crimean government was, it was forced to negotiate with ukraine, because economically crimea was always tied to the territory to the north of it , er, not there, the kubans, er, from before the caucasus, precisely to ukraine, and again they were forced to enter into

negotiations to agree. unfortunately, it happened that then the soviet government came and bought ukraine and the crimea in particular, and they stopped at that. but again still economic issues have always been there and have always forced crimea to unite with ukraine in our country. the poll is on youtube. i ask our viewers to join in and vote on the question how should ukraine return crimea? i voted a certain number of people and 86% believe that you are military you see, i understand that we currently do not know all the plans and strategies of the capabilities of the ukrainian army, this should be known by the general staff, but in principle, you see the possibility that it can be returned by military means, and is it really possible be a hard and bloody struggle or everything will go differently and simply those who will understand that their time in crimea has passed leave it - and whether it is putin, everyone thinks that for putin crimea has some sacred meaning, after all, the native harbor is there, all the other things are there, but can he will take place, we will open an account in the neighbors

, taking advantage of his weakness, ukraine was then weakened. he simply squeezed out, except for you, his only achievement during the entire time of his administration, there are no more achievements. even if she had them, they have already melted, that's why he clings to crimea and he understands that if he loses the territory , it is not even crimea, even if he will not be able to gain a foothold in the captured territories of the kherson region , even then it creates problems for his not only political but also physical survival, so he clings to it, but if we talk about the return of crimea the first thesis that the country defends and actually this is a general world principle is now a world principle recognized by the whole world except russia. well, it is possible that there are some quasi-states that have been bought by it,

except that there are territories of ukraine that should belong to ukraine i.e., the first thesis crimea should be in what way, of course, before the direct russian invasion, the only possible diplomatic path seemed to be that russia would be forced to recognize the realities and leave now that the war, the war, has entered such an open phase , and now hostilities are taking place in that including in the kherson region, and there are regularly so -called second-hand ones in crimea. it is obvious that on the agenda there may also be, uh, military method, uh, the liberation of the liberation of crimea, of course, ukrainians and ukraine were interested in doing so with the minimum number of victims, diplomacy is of course more in this let's say it is more relevant

to reducing the number of victims, but again here russia determines that it will not want to give crimea to ukraine through diplomatic channels, there will simply be no other choice, and the third point is that in principle hmm well, there are different ways of returning by military means, actually, in the so-called gestures of goodwill, which russians are sometimes forced to do, they did it there, and in kyiv region, chernihiv region, on a rotating basis, this means that they are subjected to military defeats on the front line, and then they are forced to simply deo to buy territories occupied by their own troops, this is also a military way. but again, he can get by with a smaller number.

such an option is also possible, including for the country. the ecology has been spoiled if you look at the map, it shows a green crimea, there was a map when it was squeezed by russia and now it is turning yellow, turning yellow, that is, the vegetation there basically disappears, it becomes, as they say, it is just it is dying every year, more and more, i kind of think about it like this, and that means that you need to do it, return it as soon as possible again, maybe this is not the main argument, the main argument is different, but one of the motives to do it as mine is faster, it is to fix at least what is possible fix it, because unfortunately we have to - we can state that some things we will not fix in fact, and you know how i look at the prospects. why not make it, let's say crimea . i don't know whether offshore can only be islands. well, let's make crimea our offshore let let the investor come in, let them build there, the turks will be very interested in making such a tourist paradise, normal, not so ordinary, you know with these beaches where all kinds of rusty constructions are sticking out and he is happy that you just at least got to the sea there

, but hey, come up with something. i think that there and turks, ukrainians and crimean tatars will somehow think together about that, i think that not only the actual residents of crimea and the turks, i think that many other investors know that the main thing is that he was well returned returned how can you now let's talk more about the novorossiya project, this is what russia did in soviet times, well, let's remember this governor of novorossiya, vorontsov, to whom pushkin's correction was sent, and he wrote to his wife, countess ivantsova, keep me for a moment of the talisman, then he also insulted arantsov, one and a half hours strawberry, well, by the way, it's the same one i will remind vorontsov, well , the audience will simply be interested in who probably paid for the entire russian army in paris, which ate several million rubles and left paris, and vorontsov paid his own money, well, it was like this the governor is famous, he was buried there, by the way, in odesa, if i’m not mistaken, then the bolsheviks talked about his graves together with his wife. well, but they are very proud of this project , because they allegedly captured, which means they built new territories there. their castles and kherson,

mykolaiv, means there. well and odesa and all these, and what was there before that, it is simply very important to understand that the project was the favorite of catherine the second, who is actually the initiator of mm. kateryna also corresponded there with voltaire, but intellectually, of course, potemkin was er greater than kateryna, he knew history er well, including church history, and here he proposed this project er created transformations er freed will be again from the previous population of the territory to some new the province of russia, you know the symbol of paradise land, this is what the russians often say about the territory that they capture and this is the idea of ​​novorossia, this is actually potemkin's

potemkin idea, but then he switched to the crimea and received the title of prince to the prince of tauriy and these territories did not exist and novorossiya developed, it happened to me tavria, then when the son of catherine ii came, who hated his mother, he simply returned many historical names . novorossiya was reborn , although this name did not exist for long, then another city was called novorossian, katerynoslav , the name was returned, and so on. that is, in fact, these are completely artificial projects, which, you know, can be created, can be canceled and then returned and so on, this shows the artificiality of these projects , in fact, once again, this story with the so-called founding of cities is absolutely a myth, which, in

fact, was not even under kateryna, and then it was created, you know, as in our country, a bulakhov myth, a- and the war is going on like this, the same could have been said about the founding of the city, because kateryna herself did not found the cities, she renamed them herself. it was renamed to kherson, er, well, in the crimea there in general po renamed everything again, because there was already kherson, the base of the black sea fleet, which they began to build in the acker bay, well, how is this the tatar name of the village nearby, then it was renamed, well, it could not be accepted in kherson, it was renamed sevastop, although in ancient times m-m, in

roman times, sevastopol was called the current current dry, it had to be renamed grizlok, it was renamed to yevpatoria, if there was supposedly such a city in the crimea in ancient times, but that city that existed in the place of modern culture it was called only uh, in general, the energy situation came from simferopol in the old crimea, at first they wanted to make old crimea the capital, rename it to simferopol, an act between midjit, the city itself, which existed on the spot they renamed it in the greek manner, they called it, they wanted to call it levkopole, then kateryna said, well, no , it’s better to place the capital in place as a budget, and they changed these names to places, and uh, that means uh

akhmedzhista is in simferopol, and old crimea, where the word white was not even in the name, became leukopol before that, a white city, i will say. these are completely artificial names that were simply stuck on and could change places, as you know, like the cards on the table, it's good that they survived there are some names historical e-e tatar e-e even kerch is a turkic name or bakhchisarai, well, actually about kateryna by the way, it reached the level of e-e towns and villages, it was already presented when the crimean tatars were finally deported, then the soviet authorities had to destroy hmm even on at the level of villages, mentions of the tatars were then renamed there , in my opinion, one and a half thousand settlements, but i would also like a few words about this war, which now ukraine is asking the russian aggressor to understand that when it comes to some global processes

, the lives of people there, houses are destroyed other things are not particularly taken into account, so we are talking about a big game, so what can it be in your opinion , understanding the world, understanding that putin is gathering forces for aggression and this empire, it will try to squeeze out by seizing new territories because, as this one said putin's adviser, my god, i always forget, uh, the chechen , yes. now i'll remember, i'll say that no, no, no, the one who sat with him in the kremlin. well, i'll remind him now, who was involved in the donbas project and there and so on, but he said such a phrase that the empire cannot exist if it does not absorb new territories and is the world, the western world, a nato country, they played the ukrainian gambit, so to speak, understanding that by attacking putin, in principle, he will fall into a trap from which he is unlikely to be able to escape , or was it a reaction to putin's aggression, no one i didn’t build any masters. well, from what we can see , it’s actually a refusal, if it was planned, you know how in russia it likes to say that there

is a conspiracy against russia in the west, and so on, so that the west planned to resist russian aggression and so on i'm not saying that there are any plans for russia itself, so he wouldn't, well, at least in some european countries, he wouldn't commit himself to the russian economy on russian gas and so on. well, it's absolutely clear now that europe has been falling for the last decade into a trap which was placed in russia and not the other way around, you don't know . we talked a lot, we are already used to the fact that we complain about the fact that we have corruption, that we have too much influence, the influence in russia was in ukraine for the last 30 years but it turned out that some european countries are much more dependent, much more corrupt by russia than

ukraine, well, maybe it's not worth being very proud of, but i'm just uh, it's actually surkov , the surname of this putin tapman who operates with concepts and inherent i don't know whether it's the 18th in the seventeenth century, because even in the 20th century, when hitler began to talk about free space, living space and the need to expand, this was already perceived as something extreme. of an emergency , the ukrainian government in its president, volodymyr zelenskyi, is doing the right thing in principle by saying that the goal of ukraine now is to return to the borders of 1991. well, many patriots say that uh,

yes. why did you limit yourself to the year 1991, we will return kuban, let's return the chicken, let's return belgorod region, can ukraine really claim these lands, are they really historically ukrainian, the question is why? yes, these lands are historical ukrainian, and historically ukrainian lands are not only in russia , but ukrainians have existed for a long time, but in the modern world they exist principles that allow us to build international relations on parity. well, we can see our current relations with poland. imagine what if we started to tell you that there are ethnic territories that are now part of of the polish state, eh. well, what kind of reaction did our neighbors have? we remember the story about how, eh, the struggle for the holmshchyna in the 18th year. well, it 's just that hrushevsky had some sentiments towards the

clergy, and that's why he decided that it must should be a part of ukraine, this led to a quarrel with the poles, well, with the newly formed polish state, and you know how shevchenko’s area fell and the name of ukraine, in principle, uh, well, experience should teach ukrainians to constantly expand their territories . precisely the logic of the 17th and 18th centuries i'm not talking about the fact that we know the moods and hmm let's put it this way, the political orientation of the people who live in these territories is our problem, you know that we were actually territories where people were not fully aware of the realities of the modern world and constantly looked around at the crimea, we don't need it yet in addition, a couple of million such voters in order to have such an influence on the course of the ukrainian state, actually, you know, i always say to historians that they will understand me that

we are already er-er redeeming our imperialism of the middle ages when we from the kyivan rus there expanded limitlessly to the south or to the east, they captured zalissya and began to civilize it. well, we got, let 's say a boomerang, this story. in poland, the battle of warsaw was still called the battle of vistria, when it was actually against the russian army and what a huge army that came there. and by the way, there was tokhachevsky and this er, all these generals and er- is by the way, warsaw survived then with the support of ukrainian fighters to a large extent, do you think that's

because you know when american experts, world experts, european experts say that we didn't give kyiv a chance, arestovych even says, well, we gave a few there, i don't think he's a genius there uh, but he has a military education to bring yes, but well, i’m so simple to the point that the man, well, at least he has a military education, but god be with him, and you think that why russia invaded, well , at least kiev with 30 thousand forces and a in general in ukraine, there were up to 220,000 if we take the closest reserve, then 330,000 troops. what are the components of the fact that the kyivites understand that the war is ongoing? well, if kyiv fell, then the war would have had a purely symbolic character, and we all understand this very well. i think that it had a symbolic character for kiev, why do you think that was the main factor in the fact that this armada was not able to decapitate putin's ukraine because he did not understand what he was getting into, he did not understand at all where he was going like this, he begins his so

the so-called special military operation, well, this is a person who lives in a bubble, heals, eats, eats. the information we bring, obviously, people told him about some other ukraine, you know, which exists only in the virtual reality of these people, and this is his main mistake ukraine for the first time, ukraine was always different so that he didn't tell us about it from the tv with a rubber band until now. and secondly, it has changed. and in the last 30 years, and especially in the last eight years, and we have all become convinced of what it leads to attempts to come to an agreement with the russians. and in fact, if before that they used some hybrid so -called technologies, that is, here it is a direct, open , undisguised aggression, and it just met with absolutely the same open and open resistance. of course, this is a

war in a war, there can be many things the enemy will seize some territory, and it could not be ruled out that they would be able to seize some, well, at least theoretically, although even the ratio of forces that defended kyiv, that attacked, that obviously did not give the russians any chance, but even in this case, the war did not stop because the war is actually a war. what is the peculiarity of this war, which the majority of ukrainians have realized that this is a war, a war, and an existential war, for the existence of the country, for the existence of all. as such, the russians do not even hide their pressure to destroy ukraine and ukrainians, therefore, this war will be

fought until victory or until the end. uh, at the first stage, we may experience some losses of our territory. we have no other choice but to defeat everyone. i will then put it. you know, now people want a lot, and let's say right away, the final collapse of russia. it is clear that there is ... well, first of all, these are the tribes, the peoples who were attached to russia, to a greater extent, it was there until the 17th century, starting with ivan the terrible. even before that, many of them, in principle, do not have any practice of state formation in a traditional way. captured under ivan the terrible they had their chieftain there. well, under ivan the terrible, the yakuts were captured. later, later, yes. well, but by chance they found out that yakutia is there. the locals will say that there is still land there and there are still people there. their leader was a little older, the army was big. well, but you lost what kind of state-building tradition the yakuts have, since those times they

don't have any, because do you see the probability that russia can break up and exist in separate entities, because once again i will say it is possible well, it is possible that the tatars are there maybe there is someone else somewhere an economically stronger one can resist, but there are many tribes of peoples who, in principle , had no state-building tradition, and now you give them independence from moscow. it is not known what will happen next , we must be realistic, and especially i would not count on the collapse of russia, which is our second happiness. obviously, they are interested in the west , but on the other hand, we remember how the west persuaded the ukrainians in the eu not to follow the path of independence, everything is known about the speech of the former senior under the name of the czech republic , because they were afraid that what was being said was nuclear weapons, their mistake was that instead of general nuclear destruction, they gave all the soviet weapons to russia on the other hand, well, you know. well

, you don't have to be snobs to say that ukrainians have the largest in europe, the largest in europe, of state-building experience . even before that, i didn't say ukrainians were also positive. on the other hand, there were times of statelessness. on the other hand, estonians had no experience of statehood at all until the 18th year. wait a minute time, i'll just say right away that i wouldn't buy you later, that ukraine then fell, and in russia there are many people, many peoples with uh, experience of statehood, the same tatars, excuse me, have experience as tough as bulgaria, it's actually peer for peer of kievan rus, the main thing was wish you to me i thank you very much i myself listened with pleasure, we hope that the audience also oleksiy mustafin was

with us historian writer tv manager thank you very much oleksiy for this conversation we talked about crimea and novorossiya and it is actually also historical you know the war in which russia will lose because all empires live a maximum of 500 years russian well from 300 to 500 years well russia is already there for 300 or something i think its time is already coming the dew will fall. thank you for being with us. this was a worldview program. let me remind you that my name is vasyl zima. i want to invite you to write to us on social networks, like and support. if you want to order a topic or what you were interested in talking about, the telegram channel is my personal one. it's called evening cotton, look for it, write there and we can be in touch, and i will be interested in taking those topics that you are also interested in and discussing them, i will meet with you today at 19:00 and 15 in the program big ethere and now we continue the broadcast espresso , have a good day today, we are looking for 15-year-old

olga popova, whose fate has been unknown for more than three months. i only know that the girl lived in donetsk region and it was there that she had to face the war. she was last contacted on may 25, then olya was with her native uncle in the village mangush is about 20 km from mariupol , the territory has been occupied for a long time and it is assumed that there is simply no communication there, and therefore nothing is known about olga's fate. of course, the man immediately turned to the police with a request to help find the child in previous programs. i already talked about the search for olga, and recently we received an important message on the hotline child tracing services