attempts to find a consensus within the european union eh hmm is based on such a kos plus let's say such an approach i.e. garden cost plus some sufficient level of profitability specifically for russian gas, but let's wait and see if they can do it baked because very complex processes eh justification is this in the countries of the european union, and let's wait for russia's reaction to the fact that this is already being discussed, this is already a positive situation, this is already very good and, well, certain things regarding gas were expected in the eighth package of sanctions let's see what will happen. what will happen in the future. let's see that they are stopping oil from the first of december. let's see what will happen with russian

gas . it will be somewhat over time in the winter. we expect that with gas there is such a long discussion and there is still no final solution. more terminals, less supply sources, less dependence on russia, yes, still, the european union is a very strong source of fuel there, over 40%, and in the 21st year, there was dependence, and in addition, mainly pipeline supplies here, and in contrast to oil, which is supplied by tankers, well, it is larger part of oil is petroleum products, therefore, it is more difficult to get rid of gas, in addition, gas is used more than petroleum products in systems

of electricity generation and heating systems, therefore dependence on gas is more difficult, but again, what despite the fact that the european union did not impose a gas embargo on them , but russia itself imposed a gas embargo on itself, and that's why i think that we can see such a situation when, if you will, there will be a real price restriction on gas prices as it is currently being considered by the commission's office. i am almost sure that russia will stop supplying gas to the european union by 100%. it will be better to burn this gas in the air, dump it. will not sell to the european the union will be left without transit, and here our

operator of the transport system must be ready in such a situation, well, for the transit of russian gas, the initial contract remains a little more than a year until the 24th. maxim, i see that you agree with mr. volodymyr, and the europeans are ready to such a gas blackout, if we can call it uh, the euro-month claims that they are ready for exactly this, they are building up uh, reserves in warehouses so that it won't be a challenge for them, well, a surprise. however, i think that it will not be a deception - a momentary exclusion from after pressing the button and that's it. i think there will be a long period of confrontation there and manipulation, because let's see how they work now. they work with everything. they are not focused on the prices in the news of real

deliveries, but on stock prices, and stock prices are like that . ports it depends a lot on the news, for example, last week the european commission issued this release that they are filled with 80% of the shitty storage and the price of mobile from three to two thousand in the physical world nothing happened because inpatient for october before the release and after the release, nothing happened, but the price fell after that, russia releases the release in our country, there was a massive spill , we can’t. the nord stream alone broke, and on this news, the futures soared again. that is, it gives the panic background in the news worries the voters, but in fact it does not directly affect the economy, because those large supplies under large contracts to large consumers were all the more valuable and were before

this release, that is, they are and excluding once and for all the supply of gas in europe to them not mo- they don't will be able to create panic every week ago, i say that in addition to the deficit of economic activity, and in the communication department, the europeans need to work with the prejudices of public opinion in europe so that they do not panic so much because of the fact that in reality their payments are not affected these futures and this panic do not actually affect payments, but affect urban europeans. well, if there is no gas, there will be no money, and russia receives a lot from the export of energy carriers, for example, it received almost 160 billion euros from exports of oil, gas and coal during the six months of the war, such conclusions were published by the clean air energy research center, which is based in

finland. the european union imported a little more than half of the total volume, which is approximately 85 billion euros. the next other buyers are china , turkey and india, while the net income from the sale of fuel that came to the budget of the russian federation over the past six months, approximately 43 billion euros, as noted in the report, helped finance war crimes in ukraine, and therefore sanctions against russia need to be strengthened, mr. ryabchyn, again i would still like to ask you to help our viewers understand these two figures were 160 billion euros and 43 billion , so what can we say that a little less than 120 billion is to pay for the delivery of salaries. i do not know whether there are any corruption components, this is the real cost of russian energy, well, now this price this price is speculative, not market, and what is a market, yes, it is an equilibrium point of supply and demand. and when

fish are on the market, there are players like russia who despise the market. who were against this market in general. they wanted to act according to direct contracts that is, we are not talking about what is being formed on the stock exchange, and since then everyone is beaching, and in order to influence it politically, it was necessary to go to the kremlin and bow down, and then the price will be much lower, for example, it was done in hungary, we see how the surface flows into the politics of the european union, so several others did countries used to do this in ukraine earlier. until they switched to building a wall there in the morning , but now the russians have found an opportunity to hack this market, yes , with such high prices, and now europe is responding they are trying to do it just there. not market interventions in europe are not unusual. they are considering mechanisms of how to fix this market. well, there is such a market on a day-to-day basis, on which there are certain

trades, and they are now trying to fine- tune this process and even such well, the big players-producers like norway, which also has a huge share in the eu market, they agree to this because they do not understand that there are such energy surpluses . today, a very significant part of the parliament is concerned with the issue of state regulation of the price of energy resources, and there was a huge discussion about this because it took the path of removing taxes from energy companies, that is, in order for them to reduce only the cost of energy resources, that is, they chose, well, they think to choose, or they do not choose, they think to choose a different path between the european union, that is, this issue is now urgent for everyone, and once again what russia has now received is short-term tactical victories of russia, yes, but strategically this is huge

a loss because, well, this is probably the last word they got together for this fish, and in the future they will only be in the red and the inability to pay for western technologies with the money they received will simply tear the entire market, and instead of counting on oil and gas revenues, well, on gas exactly until 2050, because russian all russian gas was in the plans of europe as the cleanest fossil fuel until 2010, you have a green transition strategy, then now it will not happen and from him they planned to find such a green marathon to hostrokova and there will be a green sprint, including the abandonment of russian heating, mr. volodymyr, if europe is actively preparing for the heating season and it is obvious that the price of gas or the shortage of gas will affect not only household consumers, but also the economy of large enterprises.

how ready is ukraine for this? well, for ukraine high prices will not be for distribution, because they are regulated in our country and today they are the lowest in europe , up to uah 8, yes, for 1 m³, that is, it cannot even be compared with those prices now, for europe, they are higher for industry, but they are also higher, if compared to european industry, then they are also quite low, they are quite normal, and according to what principle our industry can exist more or less yes that is, if compared with the european industry, but again it must be said that why is this happening in our country because

this year we are essentially consuming 95% of our own resources, and that is, we have natural gas consumption and, accordingly, having our own resources by 95%. we can afford such, such, and such, state regulation to regulate ourselves, although it is not enough in some parameters, it effectively applies to the rent payment, when the rent in our country is taken at the price of the slobber, and the price is taken , so it is ukrainian, that is, such for example , someone who extracts from a well up to 5,000 m, then he generally pays more rent than he receives income from the sale of gas, well, this also does not go anywhere, now the parliament is trying to fix it, that is why we are saved.

we actually have more production on average than in other european countries, and there is a decrease in consumption due to the war, so we can afford to regulate prices at a fairly comfortable level. well, let's hear the official position of ukraine in on the gas issue and on the issue of the heating season, ukraine and europe will have enough in the battle for this heating season, as stated by prime minister denys shmyhal, our state has started even more coal and gas than usual , while the european union was preparing for the arrival the head of the government added that it will be difficult to get through the heating season this year because it will continue in the conditions of the war unleashed by russia. well, the european union is ready to completely stop the supply of russian gas, as stated by the european commissioner for the economy, pavlo gentieloni, europe is actively working to fill fuel tanks storage before the beginning of the

heating season, according to him, currently gas reserves in the eu are about 80%, although the situation in different countries is not the same, i will remind you the other day of russia stopped the supply of gas to europe through the nord stream pipeline due to alleged technical malfunctions maxim and if russia stops the supply of gas through our gts to the european union, one of the largest in europe, ok, financial income is clear, but will we be able to deliver gas on the domestic market, will it be enough and the pressure in the pipe, namely, the operator of the gas transportation system of ukraine is preparing for this, it is carrying out technical work, regular work, and these compressors are being repaired in order to, in case of anything, be able to supply gas from storage facilities to regions throughout the country. they are preparing for this. and they, uh, i'm sure , in principle, they will prepare for the first

gas war with russia, and we remember from the time of yushchenko in we had the first war then, of course. it was a miracle there. we are the memoirs of specialists of ukrnengazgaz. it was possible to write a novel because our gas transportation system is oriented like traffic on one-way side of the road. they had to redirect this car . to the east and to the south from wheels because no one knew that it would be like this and then, to be honest, i didn’t prepare as well as it is now. sorry about the reverse, yes, about the reverse scheme, and they then redirected the flows and ukraine did not freeze, and since it will already be if gas, they stopped introducing themselves it will already be the third gas war and the third blackout, in principle, now our situation is much better, and it will not be a shock to anyone, we are already preparing and preparing and preparing for this, it

will not happen, well, this cannot happen, no one , so no one thinks mr. oleksiyu er maksym gardus believes that we will stage a third gas war, but in fact this is the third confrontation under the conditions of a real war, is our gts ready to work effectively under actual bombardment or their threat of any infrastructure, as it is not ready for such a thing, that is, neither our nuclear blocks, nor gas pipes, nor wires, they they are not created in order to be destroyed, dad. there are certain power reserves in the same nuclear units, of course, you can control a lot of things, the filling of gas storages, etc., there is the presence of coal in warehouses, etc. you can arrange to prepare and it is reminiscent of

a military unit being there, or russians talking about doing it, and they have already killed us, we have also seen the severodonetsk actress, the other thing is that they can do damage and take revenge by destroying electricity generation facilities, heat supply, yes, and we see how difficult it will be now for the cities and people who are now on the line of implementation, and we see that they are preparing for that, there simply will not be any attractions, they are just draining the water in order to keep the pipe and coal reserves there or or firewood. that is, it will be a difficult and difficult winter. i know that the operator of the gts has plans for the account of what kind of cotton wool will be opened. that is, we all understand that there will be no

transit after the 24th, can it happen or sooner, so i think that everything is ready in the plans and how it will be in implementation, we will see, volodymyr, how the ukrainian energy system and gas transportation system can be integrated into the european one. we have a large amount of storage that can be used. with the european union on the condition that the russian supplier disappears. well, we have already cooperated for a long enough time, and today european companies use our storage for temporary storage, pay us money for it, and we, in principle, earn some money from it, but there is still potential to increase cooperation from this and earn even more from it also applies to

electric energy, you know that this year ukraine joined the system of energy operators of the european union nsu and this allows us to conduct commercial about commercial trade with european countries eh more expanded today we have already reached the mark of 300 mw of sales in capacity eh export of electrical energy i think we can gradually increase it to 2 gb eh well maybe not this year and in a few years, when our country will be restored, the war will end, the infrastructure of electricity generation facilities will be restored. therefore, i think this path is very promising for the integration of our gas transportation system into a single network of the european union and especially the integration of the electric power system. i think that even the

integration of the electric power system is more promising than the integration of the gas transportation system. you said that ukraine is already making money by providing its storage for european companies - are their profits commensurate with the pumping of russian gas or not? well, definitely not . that we must clearly understand that we will not be able to earn. once we pumped 115-120 billion cubic meters there, and now we pump 40 billion per year, and i think we pump less this year because russia does not fulfill its contract, we pump 30 billion, that is, uh, that is why there is a difference of 120 billion and 30 billion, and we might get zero. that is, we will receive somewhere 5-6 times less from what we earn if transit stops than what we earned earlier

, even if we use underground storage facilities to store e-e gas for european companies, therefore, the operator of our gas transportation system must prepare for the worst of the worst times . will receive certain funds now from the operator according to a certain contract that remained under the contract, which means that when the ownership is transferred, there are serious funds there, in three years, naftogaz svyatot received uah 75 billion, this money will not be there, so it is probably necessary to change the business model not only otsu, but also the oil of ukraine, and i see that you agree, because you are here. we can say that you

represent naftogaz. in order to compensate or it is possible to even increase revenues after the 24th year if there is no extension of the contract with gazprom or it is possible in the near future if russia simply refuses to pump gas to europe thank you for this question, this is really a very correct remark made by mr. volodymyr really naftogazi the business model should be reviewed, and this is being done now literally a couple of days ago in our manual report, and it shows these transformations that are happening now, those internal processes that are happening the tasks that are set before the heads of the business immediately undergo a certain decentralization of management when the responsibility is more laid out on our subsidiary companies that extract gas and deal with storage and

develop other businesses, green businesses, and services that are related to trading, that is, the questions that are asked this is compliance with such an indicator as swarms, in addition to the return and certain investments in order to show the alternative of wind from the parent company to our daughters. i think that all those interested can read naftogaz 's report so that this discussion is a matter of professional professional responsibility because these are national trends and which are related to russian aggression under the current trend in all directions is related to climate variables with the development of low-income businesses - this is what makes all the oil and gas majors in the world, both private and national, this is the development of business related primarily to biogas, biomethane, biomass, you will look 100% at

the investments that naftogaz is developing. is this you will see those directions that are tied to the declaration of prohibited energy, that is, on lunch related to the production of volvo supplies , and those for which there is a huge demand in europe and are ready to pay. that is, this is the next business model of ours, which is related to our european integration, where ukraine will have the opportunity to export instead of russian gas, which is a fossil fuel, green and low-carbon gases produced in ukraine using our gas transportation system using our storage facilities and there is a lot of potential and ukraine plans to be one of the leaders, and this is exactly er. i understood the processes. with our more military recovery, we decided that it will be a green recovery, that is, europe is the limit of partnering in

those technologies that will allow us to move to a new level of energy, that is, it is related to energy efficiency, and the reduction of co2 and other methane emissions, etc., the transition to renewable energy sources. it is important, that is, i am simply responsible for the green direction. i want a lot about it. it is very much connected with the variable of drilling technologies, that is, with access to the new horizons of drilling with an overview of the new uh, there is a hydroelectric power plant and the rest that we can extract. and it is being carried out it is a lot of work to attract here investments, those companies that left russia, they drilled here, we have huge deposits of gas in the black sea, and i am sure that we can by reducing consumption in ukraine, increasing gas production, increasing gas production. that is, we will have it

the transformation of business models is literally minute by minute for each of the speakers. in order to sum up, i will remind you that our main question was whether europe will be able to refuse russian energy carriers or whether we will also be able to refuse accordingly and how much it will affect the financing of the russian army against ukraine, russian aggression, mr. melnychenko, please , let's start with you. well, you know that we will refuse and ukraine will refuse. ukraine, by the way, was the first in europe to refuse russian gas and oil oil products and in europe in the european union there is simply no other way out. even if they don’t want to refuse, they will simply be forced to refuse because this model of willibrand and brezhnev, which was introduced when gas was pumped into the european union in exchange

for soviet of the union in exchange for pipes there and all this dependence on the energy of the european union , er, it means that this model has intensified, the end has come, everyone has already understood that this is not for commerce, this is a weapon, this is dangerous, this is terrorists, and therefore in the european union has no other way out than to get rid of its dependence on russian energy speakers volodymyr thank you romanchenko director of energy programs of the razumkova center thank you mr. ryabchenko the question is also for you well if i have one minute i would close e-e to all energy companies in ukraine e- a very huge transformation is coming, which is connected with the transition from those models that were before to after to the post-war ones, and our integration of europe will play a huge role in our country this year is difficult. we believe in the armed forces, we believe in our

victory, all energy workers are doing everything they can from independence in order to pass this heating season with the least costs and losses. a lot depends on the authorities, but also a lot depends on the people. and i would like such an honest communication of that that people also help and prepare for a difficult winter in order for us to survive it in the future, it will definitely be easier, in the future there will be victory and the reconstruction of our country, where more sustainable , energy-efficient, energy-saving and modern models of energy consumption, market regulation, friends everything will be fine. we will win. the advisors on european and euro-atlantic integration thank him, the advisor to the head of the management of naftogaz naftogaz of ukraine was with us on the maxims and your final word. i think that europe and ukraine will survive the winter successfully because they invested a lot in preparing for it as having stockpiled and watching it is very important

that a lot has been done for the e-e mechanism of mutual aid so that not every country is on its own, but to organize interconnectors and the sharing of storage facilities so that flows are possible to make electricity and for one country to another so that everyone can help each other like this, some macron suggested to mr. solets and let's exchange gas for electricity survive the winter will definitely survive the heating season and ukraine and the european union completely abandon russian energy carriers and strongly eh precisely because of the fact that they will all survive er and at the turn in the winter, er, it will facilitate communication regarding the fact that a-a revenge on russia for this stress is watching, we can do it, we are not dead, they blackmailed us, but their threats are the most

have come true, why should we continue to depend on this blackmailer, that is, in the spring, russian uh, european politicians will get rid of uh, energy dependence on russia even easier than now, because now the voters are afraid of winter and afraid of payments and in the spring, when the sun will come out and it will all stay , live i'll tell you. well, now we all agree on everything, let's cover everything. let's buy electricity from gas oil in qatar. today , he told switzerland that they want to. and she will say let's do everything, but so that we no longer depend on these fanatics, well, in switzerland, by the way, the responsibility can also be for the irrational use of energy carriers , this means maksym. thank you for participating in our program. maksym gordos, an expert of the office of reforms of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, was today, the broadcast continues with us, so stay tuned for the marathon

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