buildings for the grant program to support business in wartime, this time the government plans to allocate 16 billion hryvnias, we have already talked about it part of the money has already been paid, in particular, more than 1,100 participants of the government program have jobs and will receive grant funding for starting or expanding their own businesses , the ministry of economy has thought about this the total amount of funds that will be paid to entrepreneurs exceeds 240 million hryvnias there is work - this is an electronic service for supporting small businesses, the application can be submitted through the application action in case of approval, the participants will receive micro-grant for creating your own business, launching a project in the field of information technologies, creating a processing enterprise, an establishment, e-e. under the conditions of the budget deficit, the authorities

consider it expedient to provide irrevocable financial assistance to small and medium-sized businesses, but it is probably not those who apply for these programs or i would like to receive help well, but in particular experts or us. if we are discussing this topic, panina, i also wanted to comment on exactly how to get these funds. he receives funds for a grant, but this is only the beginning of the story, and we are interested in successful cases , we are interested in the successful economy, but what do we need for this, and the first thing, if we are talking about er, is work, in this case, fallows or greenhouses where does the product go? but if we are let's remember a couple of years there before the war. so when

seedlings were massively planted there, currants, blueberries, etc., and so on, all the good things remained as they were because there were no processing enterprises, that is, we have to continue to manufacture, close the cycle, yes. that is, we have to manufacture the product with the maximum added value and not to establish a base with raw materials, that is, if we are developing small and medium-sized entrepreneurship. the market, there are other rules of the game, there are already international standards that need to be followed, it is interesting that it was precisely during the war that we, in the association of underdeveloped development experts, conducted a study of businesses and their needs, indeed, among almost 1,000 respondents, there were active businesses in business they pointed out that they really

need financial assistance in the form of guarantees, but small and medium-sized businesses do not always understand what a grant is and what a financial investment is, what finance and a loan are, that is, in most of our people have a perception of what this is. yes, we will receive a grant and everything will be fine with us at once. let's immediately hold libes. let's explain to our viewers that this is a one-time help without drinking money. you go and buy seedlings, you plant them , and then you have to decide where you want the products. you dress and so on. if we are talking about uh-e investments or about raising a loan, we get if there is admissible the project meets certain norms and so on you have to return the funds you have to stimulate

your work so that you have an income that can cover the expenses for the e-e and give the funds i literally still finish this way and that way as they say in classic business and economics, it is said that a to live not to work i'm sorry to work on credit because credit stimulates development credit stimulates to partnership credit stimulates to develop the economy and not to receive one-time assistance therefore in ukraine in principle in order to develop a successful economy we need investments, we need lending , we need to set up these processes with our external partners. if we are inside, we will not get far, we will just end up in one beautiful moment, and the support grants, no matter how good they are, if they do not help, but it is a one-time thing here and now, we need to stimulate further, and it is interesting that we noticed that

most entrepreneurs really do not understand elementary things, not only the difference between a grant and an investment, but also further in business models where is marketing it is necessary here and now eh the day after tomorrow and a month and a year later you have to hire people you have to pay them a salary in a year you have to have a strategy for the years ahead if you have strategies if not, then you will be on the list of more than 90% of startups that fail precisely because there is no business model that provides for development, so we need, along with the financial ones, to get expertise and expand our knowledge not only inside the country but to look outside as well the most important thing is that there should be cooperation, it is ecosystem and partnership solutions that stimulate the export of our products abroad, not only that we buy

abroad. and by the way, 95% of small and medium-sized entrepreneurs in ukraine suffered losses due to the war , as evidenced by the results of a study by the european business association to support entrepreneurs, the government increases the financing of grants for the creation or development of their own business. the creation of more than 300 micro-businesses, the rest will go to the launch of nine new projects in the field of berry growing , horticulture, viticulture, well, in general, thousands of willing people apply for state support. well , coffee shops, retail trade and beauty salons are exactly the type of business ukrainians want to invest microgrants in. this was told by the chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on finance, tax and customs policy, danylo hetmantsev, in total in one and a half months, ukrainians submitted more than 10,000 applications for the program from the state, mostly from kyiv and

region according to the leaders of dnipropetrovsk region and after it lviv region, where did he raise his company and georgy berkats, who is with us in the studio , he is my company, yes, now you understand, based on the example of this information that the government officials have or what we voice on our broadcasts a-a can we say that ukrainians have decided on a particular business they want to invest in, which business they want to develop? are there certain swings ? will regroup well, i will give you an example of the invited 73%. after the war, people left for the countryside and started harvesting

, uh , they almost doubled there, that is, they harvested, if figuratively, there. - she ordered 3.5 million cubic meters this year, already 7 million, that is, because we have, as they say, a difficult heating season. i'll be fine with you. let's not show it then, and that's why now. what about our uh-uh people, uh-huh, 150 uh -huh and 150 000 entrepreneurs, 132 000 of them - these are natural persons, that is, you and i understand how long will it take for another 7 months to 7 months for 7 months

100,000 130,000 entrepreneurs well, this means a good forecast means people understand for themselves what they are not doing there and understand what it is there родственчная прода- er-er trade or there er-er there some other services there also yes that is , understanding that people a-a well, this is such a positive sign, you know, but i think that if it continues like this, and you understood that the dynamics are increasing, then i think that it will be possible already next year so that we don't have such a big cash register, how can i say that yes, i hope that we won't be talking with you about any of these numbers, 50 billion, well, i also want to say in numbers that almost half of the jetta that is spent today is for example

there last month we had 169 billion, of which 47%. and this is foreign money, that is, we understand that our economy will not work without our partners and we will . i hope that this will help oleksiy very much. and i , after all, restated the question that i already asked here in one way or another, why does the government, in conditions of an acute budget deficit, provide people irrevocable funds, irrevocable financial support for small and medium-sized businesses, what is this trying to achieve? well, you know, in principle, what we are discussing now, these are all quite interesting tools, but they are, in principle, not able to create any spurts in the economy. well,

if we take there are 16 billion hryvnias, even if you are a patch, it's a plantain, yes, it's not even a plantain, it's just how you know how to slap a frame, and that's all, that is, ah, well, 16 billion hryvnias, even if, uh, let's not take the biggest multiplier there uh, how many products will be created at the expense of this money. there is one to three, for example, yes. well, there, well, approximately 50 billion uah. yes, accordingly, we understand that this is a figure. there was an office of simple solutions. and now we need an office of quick solutions , that is, effective solutions. saakashvili was the head of it. well, yes, saakashvili will lead it. and now we need an office of effective solutions and fast enough , because we don’t have one. you know, that’s the program. well, first of all, its scale is enough, no. well, secondly, you know, she is

determined to be a state, she moves away from the strategic development of the economy, she gives grants and says, well, whatever you like, you will develop it. now we should have several strategic directions. i would call breakthrough directions where we can create foreign-rooted national champions from the industrial to the micro level, give a boost in the conditions of medium-sized businesses. look now, the priority of state support is the agricultural sector, why is it not agrarian agrarian sector, again, what kind of agrarian sector is the raw material sector , we must understand that the export of large physical volumes of raw materials is already in the pre-war format, we will never be able to export large physical volumes of raw materials due to the blockade of parts of the ports of the occupation, etc. well, by the way, experts tell us that on the contrary no, it is not necessary in the future to export to the great, and in

order not to export physical volumes, large physical volumes, it is necessary to increase the added value, that is, in our country. what did our agrarians talk about now, for example, when you talk to people who, in principle, are engaged in big business, they say that they plan to reduce the sown area because they have no one, now there is a certain movement, uh, logistical revival there due to the istanbul grain initiative from the odesa parties cargoes have gone, but this does not affect the internal level of prices. they are at a fairly low level, they do not even cover the cost of production, and speaking of the fact that the logistics transport costs are now much higher than before. therefore, we have to create them such a two-level binary model for my manager is to give the farmer as much as possible the opportunity to create his own processing coil of corn to process will into alcohol into bioethanol to produce compound

fodder if you take rapeseed and soybeans, there are also directions for processing a-a and there grain into flour, that is, you know how. for example, in the same greece, there are micro oil companies that produce a-a-a olive oil. levels of farms are like this the micro-level of the country, the state should do the same only on a much larger scale, on the basis of the same, for example, alcohol, launch large-scale programs for the processing of agrarian raw materials, by the way, if the state would launch such macro programs, that is, it creates already large capacity large alcohol biotonal plants, for example, the needs of the army it is possible to transfer 30% of the army's needs, it is possible to transfer it to biofuel, and this, by the way, also reduced logistics costs, there was no need to import this fuel from europe into ukraine, it was already produced here, it was improved

we have an energy balance and would reduce the outflow of currency abroad and would relax massively processing these raw materials. and by the way, if the state does not have a country, this program was launched because of where to get raw materials, then the state campaign began to purchase raw materials from farmers in order for the new i equate processing and such state interventions in the purchase of raw materials, they would maintain the internal level of prices at least at the level of profitability e-e cost plus a small profitability e and e e why now there is limitation of these programs launched by the government because, in principle, they are implemented against the background of an absolutely hmm such a stopped program of lending to the real sector of the economy, well, program five 7-9 it works or it does not give large volumes of lending and why because the discount rate 25% of the national bank. this means that if you do not get into the preferential one, the cheapest loan for you will be 35-40%, which you can get from the bank , therefore, in principle, it is necessary to combine

the monetary policy of the national bank and the industrial policy, it should be powerful programs are effective and fast, that is, we don't have time, you know, to sow a little money for us at the micro level, wait until there after 5 years, they will give some, uh, some results, as if on the one hand, no one is trying to pull the blanket if we are talking about certain institutions and about er, the ministry is pulling a blanket er, but it seems that they are acting in the same direction , but we ourselves are now talking about the strategy, but there is no more time for 16 billion, but i want to tell you that in order to fully launch the entire economy small business we need uah 350 billion in hryvnias, now the difference is 16 minutes of billions yes, when people say the right thing because

it is not enough well, we do not have other money yet, now what i want to say also oh, our bald guys, i’ll bring them there from the vinnytsia region , they cut down the double, they send them to italy, and then we buy this furniture in italy and bring it to ukraine, and here i am at the enterprise, they don’t say how much we take from you therefore, this is our problem, i have repeatedly i spoke and also wrote to the president's office so that you know it was a beautiful platform a-a mmm president's initiative a-a big construction yes, i think that we also need similar er big constructions to develop these er industrial parks attract to us investors so that it would be possible for us to be not only er, we were like er, can we find earrings in ukraine, but where we were, we would be producers , you know. that's when our economy will work

the other way and we won't have problems and we won't have to go out and tell uh, there's a prime minister, what's that? here is our goal to create 450,000 jobs, remember . yes, and then the question was asked: are these 450,000 places or not? here we need to not only think about what oh, let's now collect grain . but if we had everything normal, we would have earned serious money this year, not one and a half billion dollars as now. money will appear it was much more because there is a drought in europe. there is no opportunity today to buy from the earth and so on, so here we need to focus on the fact that we have as much production as possible and in private hands as much as possible, we will add information to enterprises,

development for the state is a chance to get rid of functions that are not inherent to it, so about the small privatization that started in september, oleg nimchynov, the minister of the cabinet of ministers, says. he believes that the sooner the state gets rid of the functions of management of enterprises that are not inherent to it, the sooner such objects will be better for the enterprises themselves. they will get a chance to develop and it will be better for the communities, they will be able to get growth points on their territory and attract investments to them . in addition, it is important in the conditions of the war, when in ukraine and many businesses have come to other regions at the same time, there are many internally displaced people who need work, because in the communities there is a chance to start enterprises that have not worked for years . can we now talk about some results of this privatization, which was launched in to our country. who would like to speak, what can i say? well, let's go, i'll comment on it, and

look, i also wanted to return to the previous command to connect with this . ukraine we need to show the country's development strategy in a mandatory manner, which would cover all these key points that are important for our neighboring partners, including what has become of development and, in particular, i with of this area, that is why i will focus on this very much. they have sewn into them a number of requirements that ukraine must fulfill to

date to give and we must report on these debts , even the same linglist is nothing but a debt, yes. that is, we use but we must return and we must return according to the rules that we signed, we return only what will not be destroyed, then something will be broken in the battle, we are not coming back, where do you say, what would be the condition we would tell our ministers if we don't do it, we will judge reform number one, nobody will come to us, they don't come only because it's impossible for us to stand, eh, when you in command money to the country is the most terrible. here, please , they took skymall, built it, invested it there, tens of millions of dollars, mr. poroshenko came with his friends, kononenko, from the people.

well, it can’t be like that, no one will bring money, so i’m sorry that i interrupted you. i believe that what our president is achieving today, i support him with both hands, is judicial reform. billions of dollars excuse me, please continue . by the way, you say that investments are going, that is, people, even despite what george said, yes, they are ready to take risks. so today we are at the stage when the risks of the country are much higher than investment risks, when currency risks are much higher than e- i.e. the risks of a specific enterprise and so on. that is, we are now really a very high-risk e-e point, but despite everything, there are indeed certain investments that allow the development of the economy, in particular, investments that concern energy independence has not been canceled by anyone and to this day, just like europe. they

are looking for ways to solve energy independence. it is about independence that we are talking about . there are a number of key points where investments have not stopped, so i suggest looking at them in the field of sustainable development, investment has not stopped there , but uh, for us, uh, sustainable development is not key. so far, the strategies of the state and and although if we look at becoming presented in the meadows and so on, then the seventh point was precisely about sustainable development, but it was between and without specific goals, we need to have clear goals and understand that this is part of the investments that will be sent to ukraine regarding the privatization of enterprises, of course, when there are privatized enterprises, it means that they have more chances to operate and develop, this is really a plus

, and here you need to take advantage of this again, but at the same time, what has be and also your and of the state, yes, in this case, it should be defense and judicial reform, it should be a series of reforms, which, of course, would allow both small and medium-sized businesses to develop, as well as large businesses not to lose what they have lost a lot of now, in order to western partners are helping to stabilize the macro-financial situation in ukraine. in words, this was made possible, in particular, thanks to three billion dollars of grant funds provided by the united states through the world bank. let's listen to the quote. we expect $1.5 billion in grant aid from the united states in september. this is the last trans

. from the side of the eu, for us, it is not fundamentally a grant loan, since it is allocated for a long-term period on preferential terms, so let's summarize our conversation and , uh, in the context of this quote by mr. marchenko, what to do with the budget so that we have enough for everything, taking into account that its indicators are not easy for us already for the next year, mr. oleksiy , let's go with you in principle with the budget, you know it will all be formed equally from expenses and not from income, that is this model, when the budget is formed from revenues, it does not work for us now, that is, we will form everything equally from the expenditure bar and, accordingly, the deficit will be covered either by a commission source, that is, the national bank will print money and it has already printed 270 billion uah or at the expense of international of aid in principle during the war and what's more, such

a wide deficit and they are not containers with something so unique. that is, in this regard, we are not, er, not a unique country, let's say that during the war, all er countries expand the budget deficit, and here we have understand that the problem is not in the budget, but the problem in economic policy, that is, now the whole world works according to the principle that taxes are not primary , they are secondary, but primary - this is the efficiency of public spending, that is, the creation of new money for the economy, public spending is not a loss of money this is the creation of new money for the economy, because by paying social transport pensions, salaries , the state creates household incomes, by paying out funds for state orders , the state forms the incomes of private businesses, and the problem here is that the economic fiscal multiplier must be included next, i.e. 1 hryvnia of money that the state spends in the economy it should lead to the appearance of three new hryvnias in the form of a gross

product, an increase in the value of the product, and these 3 hryvnias of your product should lead to one and a half hryvnias of budget revenues, i.e. 1 hryvnia of expenses for 1.5 hryvnias of income in the form of taxes, this is in countries where the economic multiplier works, where the economic processes are already set up, in principle, there is an established and a projected economic policy because if we let's look now, according to the data of international organizations, there are more than 90 countries of the world that form almost 100% of world gdp, they attract investments with the help of national industrial policy, respectively, without this, without creating this multiplier, we will not be able to present the current crisis well, it will still be, sir, i am speaking with your permission, i will give alina the floor, and you will already summarize, er, the post-war apocalypse, will it be or not, er, in your opinion, according to your forecasts, from those, let's say, from the indicators that we

we are discussing here. i think there will be no apocalypse , because ah, first of all, our partners need a strong partner, and they already support us. this already shows that we are not interesting as a country that is unsuccessful. and this is very important and we should turn to our own politics partners, if we talk about america, we look at where they invest and they invest primarily in a-a oil and gas extraction and and also in it technologies, and that is, where do they look if we look at europe, we look where do they invest, they invest in energy independence, they precisely in value-added products and so on, that is, if we want to change our status and be successful, we must look at successful neighboring partners, and there is a helping hand, of course, we must also respond . can we develop some of our own know-how? not

borrow your opinion, miss yes, first of all, i think that what kind of budget we will have, everything will depend in this situation on the war, how the war will go , that's how our budget will be formed, this is the second one. i want to say that our partners, when they are watching are a little shocked that the oil and gas industry will lose tens of millions of dollars to rent beautiful, chic offices to buy expensive cars and constantly replace the fleet. alexey is right, we need all the consistency of these embezzlements, you understand, and i also want to say that mr. marchenko said that we received money, we expect eight billion by the end of the year, and next year, if i'm not mistaken, the imf must allocate 20 billion to us dollars that's how

the allocation of the imf - it will be so you know start u when it is possible to make such an appeal to our investors that it is possible to invest money in our country, this is very much, this is such a serious indicator of the imf and vkontakte i want to say and i believe that all enterprises that they are not strategically recognized in our country. they need to be sold and transferred to private hands. let people start developing them. they are our officials . look, they are stealing billions of uah for this, and we are constantly in the same place. such a complex approach so that the country begins to live in a new way and i am sure that there will be no apocalypse, everything will be good, we will tear everyone there, and who will be ukraine? i believe as the presidential adviser on economic affairs said on our broadcast questions a-a oleg kostenko the rich should give more, after all, so a-a the poor should pay less in these