the schools on molodizhna street wrote down an appeal to help us from the bomb shelter, repair and replacement of windows, the only thing we had to do was write a letter that we need it because well, there will be confirmation that any fund works like this with a foreign one, we were not given such letters, you understand that this is the impression that everyone wants so that we have a ruin, the land around us in kyiv, they are very expensive, and then only we will come, only the opportunity will come, some group of speculators will come and buy up all this, it's crazy. and the people will be thrown out of our country just like a genocide communities and that is why we will write in english. gostomel sos and hels, this is what we are going to international institutions for now. unfortunately, i also witnessed such shameful examples when i was a deputy of the district council. people do not receive assistance and help. have you already reached out to someone directly, the community, and made an agreement with someone, or established a connection with cities, some

foreign unions, who communicates with you directly, tell me if you cannot create there the public council for communication, that's all, people who are not from our community came to us, we have such a peculiar landing, landing from chernobayka from kherson oblast, 25 who do not understand our interests , they are involved in the matter for a long time, and they do not react in any way. i say, how can i i will write and attract foreign cities now, for example, although i have opportunities and in the country - i already told the united kingdom in germany everywhere, but they do not even write simple appeals in order for this to be necessary because the worse for them the better so and so right here with us they deprived us of the most important thing, they deprived us of local self-government guaranteed by the european charter , i believe that this is the language, i read everything like that in the

middle ages. that is, this is a village with a great tradition of local self-government, and it is important for the people. in fact, this is an obstacle because all these organizations they all say, well, at least give a letter from the village council of the city that you are not just layers from the street, that you are really serious people, look, we already have an action and people are registering there and know numbers, they say that already about 250,000 applications, but as we understand it, there is no feedback from this action, and there they say that umindigits transmit information directly to the communities and the administration so that they can already see there is a problem in order to get in. now i will say that in order to receive state aid, it is necessary to conduct certain inspections are also regulated by the law on the legal regime of martial law on urban planning activities and by certain e-e, that is, resolutions of the cabinet of ministers. yes, we have so far.

of these reports that someone has damaged and the corresponding register is not entered, it is being slowed down deliberately. i don't know why it was possible to make an assessment, the administration should have done, finance it, we have not done it half, i don't know, a third, maybe 25%. and here's what's next. well, when there is an examination, when everything recorded has already been entered, the person already has a second question. and to whom can he present this, and here are the deputies of the verkhovna rada. excuse me, olena shulyak, if i'm not mistaken, in march, this law announced the adoption of the corresponding law. until now not considered in the second film and not accepted, this means that even at the level of the verkhovna rada, the process of financial assistance to those who suffered, and i want to remind you that 400 soldiers from gostomelsk are currently serving at the front, and when you don’t know that their buildings are ransacked and the authorities do nothing and their relatives, relatives and loved ones are wandering on the streets, no matter what the motive for them is, what will

it be, so it makes sense to fight to protect the state, it is necessary to immediately change this approach, it is also necessary in the rear. everything is to open the budget and help people and attract international organizations. but we have, i'm sorry, this is the military administration, well, it's just a shame. it turns out that there is no legislation. there is no official help from the state for people whose houses are just in ruins. now there is no action, just collecting a list. fixes it all, collects contacts of people who applied correctly, then there is no feedback, nothing, but people somehow come to this administration well, no meetings, meetings cannot be arranged now, let them enter one by one office to the head and they ask such and such where and why ? well, does anyone have a business with my house or tell me frankly, little man, there is no money, do it yourself , there is money in what, jesus, in the past, we were fired under

public pressure, people went by the hundreds, and i and this in me on the page as we rally as we expressed reprimands we voted directly we decided to use the constitution of ukraine articles 140 e-e articles which provide that only the people are the main bearer of power and we did it as if we listened, changed to a new one but the new one turned out to be even worse than the previous one because time is running out and we are walking with these crowds in hundreds and nothing is happening we haven't even been opened a budget and i want to emphasize now that a crime is being committed based on a forged decision of the gostomelsk city council that was not signed by the head of the budget funding is now taking place why is this done because that there are so -called transitional contracts in this budget, this is a fictitious debt owed to the company by us for past works of past years. it amounts to about uah 100 million. a certain moment when the resolution of the cabinet of ministers prohibiting capital expenditures 590 - it will be

canceled, all 100 million fuchs will fly away, and the companies will fly away. i have all of them made public. of the regional police, khomichuk is like this, and this is his wife, he put her up so that she would do business in gostomel, and they constantly drop us cash offices in last year, they took out tens of millions from our budget, that's what a policeman does, that's what they do, and i believe that it's possible, and there is this octopus, the mafia, when the military administration, law enforcement agencies are all connected, well, vitaliy, we can only assume and so do you. these are your assumptions or you live there, you see. this is your subjective assessment of the situation, but i'm interested in gnu- gostomel, who was beaten with hail, who was under occupation, who

experienced well, the maximum that could be experienced, how do people tolerate this, this, this schematization, which is on the check with past life well, it seemed to me that after this , well, no one at all would raise their hands to these schemes and kickbacks, and the rest of the people see it , understand it, and well, they don’t want to come to the village council and take that person’s head by the skin, we already took it once. now we let's repeat the second round, i don't want to do it, i want them to listen to us, they finally started working, people don't tolerate people, it's just that there are many people abroad, it's necessary. there are also many people who serve in the armed forces, women, women, what active women can you comment look on facebook, they would like to join , they are trying to join someone, they write to me through the page, and elderly pensioners, people well, have you seen some videos that barely come out, barely

stand on their feet, and gostomel is tens of square kilometers, i support that all this should be returned in the legal field and so that everything is according to the law and normal, but i want the government to understand this in italy, now we are in control of the connection with you there are a few obstacles oh, i see you, you say that there is money in the budget, but they do not show you how much is there maybe they are not there. how do you know that they are there and how long was the last leader before he was fired and when we, the community , reprimanded him? it was at the end of july, a month and a half ago, maybe two, almost two months ago, he publicly announced 160 million but the circle is happening in our country. so the executive bodies do not work , there are no expenses for them, er, the zhek is engaged in the removal of garbage, the roofs are repaired at the expense of the payers , er, the so-called rent is not transferred to them either, so the money is just accumulating and it goes in any case, the land payments go

because despite the destruction of the enterprise, we have foreign swiss enterprises, they properly pay for the land, that's why we have income, that's how the income fell, but there are about 200 million. i think that these people who are well, although i would like to make a roof and there are already some windows. no one will point out about the european renovations, but the modular town is generally a temporary housing that should be given. it is not a problem. it is not known where we are in such a very dangerous place. we raise many questions. firewood has not been purchased. it is booming like there is no eh, it means, well, in general, if we have no lighting, it has not been renewed so far, it means garbage, garbage, a suitcase, go now, a month, eh, finally, sum up who you are contacting and what you want, what do you see as an alternative to this management we have a public asset - he is somewhere

around 10-20-30 people, we constantly come to any meetings. everyone knows us in the community and the military administration knows us. the active got together and made a decision to organize a collection of pizzas and not to address mr. zelensky to which has already been appealed to twice, and in the international instance, it is the embassies of friendly countries that help us, the red cross, and there we will also look for international charitable funds with requests to provide assistance if there is an opportunity directly to the people , for example, it is possible, uh, that means temporary houses , here are the people who wrote down the appeal to put i don't know how they have 20 m² on the plot directly. they will not object. they will be very satisfied that they can live in the winter and gradually restore their buildings . self-organization of the residents of gostomel, we have public organizations that you are completely with us. there is even a political party, the first in history, which is registered on the territory of gostomel, and many people. they have already

united around legal entities, including p. i congratulate you, thank you for joining our we will follow the broadcast and tell about this story because, well, the truth is that it is already cold here and the houses are in ruins and people need clarity - this is an example of the small community of gostomel, kyiv region, an example when people, contrary to centralized systemic actions are gathering by themselves and trying to solve their own problems we wish you success thank you for the initiative and we will add our next guest this is iryna ozymok iryna we congratulate you good day you are the founder of sami tumers and you are constantly dealing with this topic of self-organization and self-government, so i wanted to you commented on this specific case, vitaly kupriy says that the administration is not working, that is, the government, and they want to organize themselves and are contacting different cities , can a local entity act like this

self-government and what to expect. i listened very carefully to this previous broadcast, your conversation, and somehow it really hurts, and i would like to draw attention to this issue, that now in ukraine, ukrainians have an image of indomitability, that people are fighting despite everything, people are suffering, but they are at the same moment well, they don't seem to defend these european values. we talk a lot about this, in particular , in the european integration process. yes, there is no ideal that the war changed everyone, everyone immediately became law-abiding and correct, but it is very important that we broadcast the correct image of ukraine and continue.

benefits for people, and people were not a bargaining chip , so it seems to me that now and yesterday we had a discussion about this with urban planners, in particular anya bondar, who is a people's deputy, these mechanisms for attracting funds are still incomplete of the spending mechanism, somehow, in particular, ensuring transparency. in their use, this is extremely important, and i think that in such a case, you should try to work with different means and apply to different cities, governments, there are good examples, for example, some foreign countries actively want to help ukraine, there are several examples, have you already had a conversation with mr. volodymyr shmetko, so he has such a new partner, a city without one in france. they are very active in helping and probably for such people partnerships are also the future and they will be such

an effective e-e mechanism then there is the mark and that which city in portugal is ready to allocate half a million euros for the reconstruction of schools in bucha and irpin and there was another good example and also when we talked about the topic of education reconstruction in general e in the country. for example, the head of zhytomyr shared his experience. they created an international fund and are attracting funds there, so if the question is all about these letters, it seems to me that we should join forces to give them as much as possible in order to... after all, people who suffered from the war could very quickly return even to a life that was not like it was before. yes, but they have the right to decent conditions for wintering, including here, we have no right to some political or personal er-er conflicts - this is to slow down and you do you communicate with the mayors of foreign cities? yes, there are some. they would

tell you about some obstacles in order for them to cooperate with our cities and make their investments here. well, i communicate with them. they do not see many obstacles. who is ready to help on at different levels, yes, it’s still too early for us to know what the mechanisms for attracting funds or some kind of expertise should be, because now there’s a lot of talk about some urban solutions, for example, and if there are any gifts, you know, we’re giving you a school well, many procedural banists have already said that if it will be some kind of chaotic, you know , there is such a project here, there is such a thing, anyway, it should be very coordinated with somehow coordinated with ukrainian specialists, but in general, it seems to me that in order to increase transparency and efficiency, we as much as possible, it is necessary to attract foreigners, foreigners who will be in some conditional supervisory councils , coordination councils yes, but locally,

including not only at the high level, because there are already at the level of the eu, there are already at the level of the united states of america, but it is important that there are also at the local level , ms. iryna and your discussion yesterday, what are some main excerpts? what conclusions did you draw for yourself about how to rebuild ukrainian cities? there is already some kind of vision, but the people with whom you spoke, who are opinion leaders in this area, this is not only a vision they all do something already er for this, but for me it was very much a sign to you that, in fact, even the spatial solutions of urbanism are a reflection of society, our needs and our level, including yes and when we talked about what it was, it seems like a photo from makarov so where is this kind of building that was originally destroyed and rebuilt? it is next to such a stall type, so on the one hand it is admirable that well done what so quickly on the other hand it seems that we do not want to rebuild the soviet union. and it is better and that is why we all have to work on this here in general

many questions about compromises and quick and permanent solutions because everyone wants quick solutions, politicians need them for their careers, people need them for survival, but actually long-term solutions, well, such permanent solutions are very necessary if we want to continue living here they could live with dignity and it is very important to reconcile this was all discussed today, you mentioned it a little bit, it is very important to document the destruction and in general, the analysis of everything that was bad and, moreover, so that it is not rebuilt. that is how it is this applies not only to the building, because what we see from the outside. and it also applies to the water supply, waste management, and now. the topic of thermal modernization is extremely important. yes, we used to criticize these patchwork insulation, yes, you saw it on the houses, and it was the same with us yesterday, by the way . the fifth issue of our

dna of the city program is out, about the very term modernization, and in particular svyatoslav pavlyuk talks about what to do in this heating season, how to save houses, so somewhere it can even overlap supplies so that there is no destruction, and it seems to me that now, too, i listened to people who document it, record videos, and it is very important that every resident gets involved in rebuilding as best he can, and there are already good initiatives, for example, the initiative that appeared back in 2014 after the start of the war which is called building ukraine together, these are several young people who decided to go to the east and help rebuild destroyed houses, and it was such a job with their hands, you know. they were also looking for financing and are still looking for financing there for example, in the village of velika severinka in the kirovohrad region, they are currently rebuilding a cultural center

that had not worked for 12 years, and this is also an example of the hardening of the community. where everyone cannot fight, for example, but he can do some other work, and it seems extraordinary to me it is valuable that each of us feel that we are involved . they did not sit and complain and did not wait for the state or the local authorities there, let me rebuild as well as everyone can, but still they asked for this help, they coordinated it as much as possible tried to make these mechanisms of attracting funds and quality distribution of funds well, this is the basis of local self-government, this is organization , self-organization and the involvement of people in the processes, and this can be another impetus for us, unfortunately, in such moments of crisis, first of all, we can to rebuild something new, and secondly, to restore this capacity for self-organization, to reach agreements among

themselves, iryna wanted to talk to you a little more about the city, and i know that you study the city from different angles, as an organism, yes, the city, the village, the village, there where do people live and what are the tools for self- denial in the city? i read that chernihiv , for example, collects money for reconstruction, so that is, they do not expect subventions from the government there, but collect together money for reconstruction, which is also the content of settlements and tools for self-renewal well, in fact, everyone is looking for money, so because without money, we can't do any big projects , yes, construction, especially now when all building materials have become more expensive, that is, the prices for reconstruction , the cost of reconstruction in general will be quite high but it seems to me that what was weak before the full-scale invasion of ukraine was the involvement of citizens, what we call a participatory approach, somehow, after all, there was more

such contemplation and the creation of such a human asset, you know. not necessarily political parties, perhaps not political parties. but those people of the movements who will defend the city and it seems to me that roman town hall is also such an important symbol of this war as an example of a person who, despite all the risks of a young person there 20+ protected er green areas in kyiv, and this is, in principle, a symbol of what we should do to protect our cities, either from an external enemy or from an internal one, or from ourselves, that is, it means our kind of indifference, and it seems to me that this is an association for the sake of something, this is a joint creation, and that is why there is an example of the reconstruction of the house

of culture or, i don't know, in zhytomyr, for example. if they would stand up even now these people became volunteers on bicycles and continue to defend the city and help and help, and that is why it seems to me that the formation of such an asset of people who become the driving force of changes in cities and communities is extremely important, and it seems to me that the war gave it an e- it's a big push, i really hope that all volunteer organizations will also be able to turn into some kind of organizations in the future, when there will be no need to engage in humanitarian aid. yes, but they will be really active in their cities and have a new function took over the cities and villages, this is still a defensive function because in the emergency regime, these initially partisan associations were formed in some places, movements , hunters united, who had weapons, and then

it turned into a voluntary formation of territorial communities, which now in principle carry the functions of such a small army for their city, for their community, and some er-e example. excuse me, there is a cool example, too, an addition to what you say, too. we filmed programs about condominiums, i experienced this experience of creating condominiums and it's simple horror when there are 24 floors, 140 apartments, this is such a section of society, someone does not want someone, someone is suspected of corruption schemes. and the head of the condominium together with his colleagues, they also went to territorial defense, the skills of this communication and coordination became useful there, they could very quickly agree on everything there, organize the supply of various things, and this is also an example of how

it's called your transmission, what exactly is in the rescue , so we can, when we unite, when we become effective and caring, we can do everything and organize a quality life and defend the country, and i would really like to go to a higher level , so create such conditions who knows where we won't be asking for money from the donor over time , but on the contrary, it will show what successes we could achieve on our own. thank you for the cool example of ms. iryna, this is to confirm my thoughts, i am convinced that what we have been doing in recent years yes, the european integration reforms have been there since the 14th year, er, it is to create condominiums. it is necessary to agree to go around all the people, it is a colossal job, even to stick one piece of foam plastic there, it is necessary to agree with everyone and build these horizontal connections that were cut out in us by the soviet occupation

mental so agree to create a joint chat so at home there are condominiums and then these chats in these chats wrote that they are shooting there they are attacking save yourself turn off the light this is and there are those horizontal connections that many settlements simply saved and the creation of this otero-defense of the local welfare of the local ms. iryna and do you agree with the fact that if it were not for all these efforts of such passionate people as crazy as you and all those who were engaged in the decentralization of local self-government , it would have been more difficult for a populated place to meet those first tanks and i actually think that the people whom we so symbolically called the ones who create the dna of the city are the ones who created the cities before that and continue to create cities now because they know how to

organize people, they don't know how to communicate everything and even very trust is important to them yes, and also one of the examples in ivano-frankivsk, maybe this is a city where rockets flew there yes, but this is not, for example, mykolaiv but there is, uh, now a project called promprilad. a certain community, they were able to somehow interact very effectively with the local authorities. yes, even if at first there may have been mistrust or misunderstanding, so who is this? we are doing this with them and now they show it together are already working on the development of the city's strategy, and this is perhaps the first example of where there is such an active, transparent, high-quality involvement of the community in the development of strategic planning, informal, you know, they interviewed us. so

, we are doing it, and inter-sectoral connections are being developed, and what's more, thanks to such efforts, there is a certain e this is the work on getting to know the city for other communities because people from other cities come to study or investors come from other cities, and there are investors from odesa and kyiv who come and invest in equipment in ivano-frankivsk is also a very powerful example, i know that i wanted to ask you how to fix this in our country as a country already, well, you say we need to go to a wider level to a higher level, as these are cool to us. examples of the breakthrough of what stood and now you say ukrainians are associated with resistance and with power, how can we fix it and make it a national sign of value. i don't know how to engrave it so that after the victory, the same

sharia and indifference and the rest don't start again. are mine fears also, as you say that after the victory, well, not all at once, not all will be corrected by the war, and not all will become law-abiding, just, and so on. and in the war, there are also people who, unfortunately, will earn, i think it is only by each individual's own example. so it is very important for us not to agree no less, i really often say and for me, it is important not only to rebuild from the point of view of what was destroyed by the war, but also to rebuild what we allowed to happen to the cities. so why are some solutions so ineffective, why are the buildings so destroyed? so why the government is so opaque in some cities and communities, yes, and this means that we, as a community, allowed this because we turned a blind eye to something for years and agreed to something. it seems to me that now we simply do not have the right to

allow this and we have to want to more so because if the city is our community - it is a reflection of ourselves and when we look at something that causes some kind of horror or disgust well, it is unlikely that we want to continue living in this and it seems to me that it is also erm i don't know how does television work now, that's why that i don't even have access to it but before there were no such cognitive and educational rights on television there was such a thrasher there i don't know i'm changing women eh bachelors and yet what didn't give people some kind of development if they appear here are such discussions if a program like our dna of the city program will appear so that people will watch it. yes, they in zhytomyr built infrastructure for you, i will do it in khmelnytskyi or in novoyavorivsk, they did a cool thermomodernization of buildings, why can't i do it there in ternopil, you understand, so that we learn from each other in them so and they began to want more and of course this is a long-term option - this is such a faster option, and the long-term is the

education of children and well, i didn't have time to ask you about the education of children. i know that you have a wonderful book in the city. to talk with them i invite you to a separate program about this because it is very important education well, the truth is, it is better to show the bachelor than to tell a woman that your husband will not help you in any way, you still need to be active in monitoring where your taxes go and be responsible for everything that happens in your life because this is such a reality, and the head of the village council will not come to your house and do nothing and will not screw in the light bulb in the entrance itself. the organization consciousness itself, i thank iryna ozymok, who joined us, we talked about it. in fact, it is very important, even if they do not show you, that's all on tv from all channels they show what we want to see or relax, but it is important to remember that vitaly kupriy was also there with us from gostomel sos