reach 87,000 people and about 100 dashes 150,000 remain in mariupol, why such a number because there is internal migration. because some people come there to visit their elderly relatives, some people come to take care of their property, which miraculously survived, well, that is, there is still a percentage of migration that is constantly developing there there are about 100,000 people, mostly the elderly here, and the possibility of leaving currently exists, and many even experienced the occupation for 3-4 months. they left for the controlled territory through the checkpoint through zaporizhzhia and passed territory under the control of ukraine. thank you very much. we talked about the situation in the temporarily occupied city of mariupol with the deputy of the mariupol city council, with dmytro mazhinin, and now we will talk in more detail about living conditions under occupation and about the situation with non-compliance with human rights in the

temporarily occupied territories, our interlocutor is a co-founder of the institute of strategic research and security pavlo lysyanskyi, he is already in touch with us pavlo i congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes congratulations mr. andriy we are constantly monitoring what is happening in the occupied territories, now the last hours of our broadcast were spent at various points, you know the good situation not only where the fighting was going on recently, but also in such cities where the russian occupiers have actually been in charge for 8 years, where they turned the lives of local residents into a continuous act, created filtration camps and concentration camps, what is known about what is happening there now ? do you know about well, let's start with the places

of deprivation of liberty that are currently located on the territory of the lpr and dnr groups, well, first of all , it should be noted that there have been more of them because they revealed new places of deprivation of liberty for russian defendants who, well, there are either deserters or refuse to follow orders russian generals and commanders and many of them, that is, i know about the open crimea there within the boundaries of svyi sverdlovsk and then berdyan - not borodyan bryanka, but luhansk oblast in the yunakiv area that's how the russians are kept here and there, those who just passed through the russian federation are kept apart from them, those who are responsible for the b-run and forced mobilization, local citizens of ukraine who do not want to fight, they are kept

apart from ideological directions, so if you take classes of places deprivation of liberty in the territory of luhansk, donetsk oblasts, e.e. temporarily occupied territories was 18 after the occupation of starobilska became 19. here and there , cases of e.e. forced mobilization are more frequent, except uh, they have n't done this for a long time with those convicted of criminal articles, but at the moment, well, let's say in the last month, a lot of people are forcibly mobilized. well, my colleagues and i reckon that they are probably forcibly mobilized, and then they run like that because criminals have criminal there is only one goal to get free, this is what concerns the places of deprivation of liberty, of course they are there and they are

tortured. in big cities, i also have those temporarily occupied after the 22nd of february. they detain during the day, uh, about 27-30 people per day, if you take uh, severodonetsk . well, in mariupol, of course, from populated areas, that is, 27-30 people are charged and added to filtering prisons, if we are talking about the situation with, well, in general, yes, for local people , the situation is very bad and critical, not only in the cities occupied after february 24, but also in those which has already been occupied for 8 years, why is this happening a look, first of all, a very interesting thing, the prices of food products have risen. well, for example,

vegetables are in season, that is, now they have them. by the way, they have changed the exchange rate of the ruble to the hryvnia, now they are actually one to one, that is, for one hryvnia they give 1 , 25 rubles, it was like that recently, 1.5 before that. well, there were two, that is, now they are practically next to each other, here, for example, a kilogram of tomatoes costs about 65-70 rubles per kilogram , that is, in fact, it is 60 hryvnias for a tomato. but this season, his eyes are all over the place. why is that? it happens, i explain, and the kubans began to dismiss local separatists and collaborators from positions appointed by russia in eight years in the temporarily occupied territories of the luhansk donetsk regions. regional elites were formed . which, in fact, earned funds and received

curators there, and political connections yazki cooked, and they are now sabotaging the orders of these newly appointed people there. well, for example, the so -called prime minister of the illegal armed formation of the dpr there wants to sabotage others and in order to demonstrate to the kremlin that they are not able to cope. there is a very complicated er situation with this, they are actually internal confrontations er between russian er appointees and local collaborators so er for us this is good for ukraine because let them eat each other and of course this is the local population , that is, food products there is no water and the local people do not want to solve this problem because it is for local collaborators and they left the heads of the occupation administrations in the local ones who are actually not subject to the

so-called prime minister of the dnr of the lnr and such the leaders mean something else, well, the place of the villages has been left to the local ones for now for a special period because, according to my information, they were there recently. our monitors monitored lysychansk, severodonetsk, starobilsk, they are planning for after the pseudo-referendums, of course, if they hold them. and we see that the armed forces of ukraine is doing everything in order to prevent this from happening, they are planning to hold elections there in three months, three months will be a special period, elections are elections in order to appoint all russians, and the local collaborators already understand this and they actually start with them well, this is such a confrontation, but again i say that the local people are suffering, they have no food, the prices are increased , russian entrepreneurs are entering

the sales market in these temporarily occupied territories , they want to grab more. i understand that because they they know that this situation is not necessary. well, not for long . local entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs are all closing because in fact there is no one to unload the goods of all the local people. uzverdliv residents, yes, the occupiers flaunt the fact that they employ women in mining specialties that were held by men. yes, it was shown to me, even during our marathon, it showed some footage from this video, and it is clear for what reasons, because in reality there are no longer enough men, many were taken under the time of forced mobilization pavlo du- thank you very much pavlo lysyansky co-founder of the institute of strategic research and security as always a lot of important interesting and er exclusive actually information about what

is happening in the occupied territories, we heard from him. and now let's talk about what we, what we touched on during this conversation, it's the power tour of the russian occupiers, how it's changing now, and we'll talk about it with the analyst of the come back alive fund, maria kucherenko, maria also constantly follows what is happening in the russian federation and how these connections are being built . how do they stretch from the kremlin, probably different towers of its different squares in moscow to the occupied territories, a lot is changing there, the latest, the latest days about what we talked about, as i already said, with pavel lysansky, i don't know if maria was able to listen to what we talked about with pavel, congratulations maria well, that's not all, i heard you a little bit, the conclusion, please, that russians are starting to be appointed to the leadership structures of the lpr and dpr and

i would call it like a jar of spiders when the old so-called elites are in quotes who are already used to managing there somehow steal something, they are not very satisfied and actually interfere with the new managers, let's talk about this process like this let's say in more detail and it increases the prospects a little, so how is the management of the occupied territories arranged now, how is it arranged by the kremlin and is such a system effective please first of all yes indeed i have to agree with your assessment of these processes because it is really very it looks like a jar of spiders, but at the moment this confrontation seems a little more sluggish than we saw , for example, in 2018 in 2019, that is, when it was about the struggle between the old square of the times of sorkov and

ssb of the time of the conversation. we observed the elimination there heads of the occupation administrations we observed the liquidation of zakharchenko we observed pseudo- elections there and so on and so forth now everything is focused on kirienka as the curator of the occupied territories and both the old occupied and the newly occupied if we use this terminology that is currently used by the media and here it will simply be held a thematic the process of replacing all possible personnel by russian representatives or regions, or we saw that the main personnel reserve of kyrieka is a competition for the leaders of russia er, young officials who had passed er certain steps in their career before all this at the expense of this competition were counting on the fact that they would make

a crazy leap in their career, they would have er more such thorough material support, but in fact we see how now their fate is being made, now they are actually throwing forged territories er, in fact, they are targets of ukrainian partisans of people who are resisting on the ground, here also the local collaborationist elites are stabbing them in the back, you can say so, and other interesting ones. yes, be it pity, and moreover, they have a closed path to further careers, the careers that they so wanted to build. that is, automatically getting into the sanctions lists is not automatically leaving, that is, all the dreams are sharpened to zero with which they entered these competitions in this structure. they remain for them such an illusory past, it is actually interesting that these former managers, we also spoke with

pavel lysansky about the fact that it is more difficult to significantly change managers on the ground in the cities of the occupied territories of the donetsk and luhansk regions and now even these managers will begin to be transferred to the city of bryanka. mykola morgunov was the leader for many years, and now he is being made the leader of the occupied and almost completely destroyed city of severodonetsk, that is, they cannot even find this leader of the new generation from prienka from the russian federation, why is this happening? is it true that even this big russian bench does not work? well, firstly, it is not that big and now because the number of those who could and would like to do it has decreased significantly, and secondly, we we see the same crisis of the genre from the side of the same russian political technologists, because

you can see and hear a lot , a lot. they cannot and do not want to work in the occupied territories, because from the experience of their colleagues they know that it is scary from there and you can not return. but again, this is the only place of money that they can count on, and here, if we are talking about such hired managers, there is even money here and especially with cream, it will not be possible to offer it now, because with such an area and such a growing area for them during this time of the occupied territories, they simply do not graze . news , the good news is that the area of ​​these occupied territories will gradually decrease . this means that fewer hired

occupation managers will be needed. but again, there is another problem for the kremlin here, the problem will be that there is nothing to demonstrate to the electorate to his people in the capacity of some of his outstanding successes in the military war, well, another bad news for the occupiers is that it doesn't matter - ukrainian partisans continue to work in the occupied territories and even where there are still cadres, it's not a fact that they will last much longer, thank you very much it was maria kucherenko on the plane of the return to the living fund talked about the system of government in the occupied territories because we will talk about other topics in a few minutes, don't switch september 10, mykolaiv day ukraine is impregnable our agronomists examine every piece of land to choose the best places for sowing, our bankers find

funds for sowing work on a thousand hectares, drivers of gasoline trucks deliver fuel daily throughout the country so that the brave combine harvesters and tractor drivers in unmined fields perform daily feats, and railway workers deliver the fruits of joint labor to every corner of ukraine, agrarians work tomorrow victory prevail we will pass we will win bristles news together we are strong we return to important conversations during our information marathon the only news in the studio is that andriy degtyarenko in sign language, lada sokolyuk, and we just talked with our experts about what was happening in the occupied territories, in particular, how russia built a system of government there, we know that serhiy kiriyenko, who

manages the occupied territories from putin, in fact, in the positions of a-and there are vacancies er in occupied cities and towns, it appoints leaders, well, leaders of a new generation, it’s called, in fact, it rotates in the occupied territories so that the future as this is probably what the kremlin intended, the future russian managers then returned to the regions of the russian federation, and there they recreated the same totalitarian system that russia recreated in the occupied territories, and now we want to talk to our next guest, this is a very famous person, harry kasparov, a politician, the 13th champion the world of chess is now in touch with us in kharkiv, congratulations. please tell me if he will communicate with you in ukrainian, will you understand me right away, you understand very well, they can run away in ukrainian, very well, thank you, thank you. so, we

are now trying to analyze what is happening in the occupied territories and understand that, in fact, now, due to the russian full-scale invasion of ukraine, russia is creating a situation where the system of power is totalitarian, in fact, which it is trying to create in ukraine , is returning back to the russian federation, what do you think will be the consequences and whether the people of the russian federation will tolerate such an attitude from the kremlin authorities towards themselves что сегодня украина is making world history. now i'm watching the world news very much, and everything is golden. breathing is being watched. and how did ukraine start your occupation of the occupied territories? it's actually a colossal psychological breakthrough in the consciousness of many people in the west, like politicians. so ordinary people because the main narrative of putin,

who is trying to push putin to the agency, he can win in the end, and we will see in the last few days. well, back to your question, i will say that the victory of ukraine includes the liberation of the entire ukrainian territory up to sevastopol. в себя и возвращение рабытий армыы обозременный armies with weapons to russia, i think for sure there will be a refugee with a large number of refugees, that is, in fact, all this is the creation of a situation in which a добавлены к этому economic sanctions make a functional regime impossible, and in general, putin is playing the full game of dictators who are starting to seize all wars, they did not understand that the boomerang war will return and this will become the color of his fascist

regime, it is interesting that now there are different ideas about that and what will happen after the defeat of putin in ukraine your opinion, putin, putin's army created the monster and crimes in ukraine, it's perfect, as it were, but it's not subject to road maintenance at all. ukraine is only just as if it comprehends the depth of these crimes, but that's the way ros. this is the crime for which all citizens of russia will be responsible for years and decades - this is the effect of germany in the 45th year. this is the retribution that is inevitable. and i do not rule out that the changes in russia that will occur in putin's regime will be able to be so. nothing happens on the street, that's how it all ended.

dictators who started wars committed crimes. and then all of this was returned . i don't know. people were paid, including those who were not directly responsible for the war, but not directly responsible. they were part of the regime that committed the crime, and they were not ready to protest and fight against this regime , and at the same time, various sociological services reproduce data that the people of the russian federation mostly support putin's actions anyway supports armed aggression against ukraine. you probably have many of your supporters inside the russian federation. you also communicate with them. how do people explain that this is actually a russian word for fascination with this putin regime that has been going on for several decades? why do people not have an epiphany if we remember the situation in

germany in the fascist years of 1944-1945, when the war was hopelessly lost and germany was bombed mercilessly every day, it was at the end. 11 years old, putin is 22 years old, and no one in russia has yet bombed the big russian cities of moscow and st. petersburg, yekaterinburg, nizhny novgorod, the war is still in ukraine, and the tv is still in ukraine, and putin avoids mass killings . there is no feeling of an inevitable catastrophe, but the only way to change the situation is to make the defeat inevitable, people must understand that they are paying the price for the war, the first step is to say that our russian action considers it necessary to introduce a complete ban on russian tourism. this is not a serious measure that concerns millions of russians. it does not solve the outcome of the war, but it shows that

putin's war is a crime. on behalf of all russians , it will be necessary to pay even further. the cities of moscow, petersburg, as if the main thing - these are such goals that this is a war and their war is not a war of the eye in which they die like chechens, dagestanis, buryats, tuvans, and what are there. ah, and poor people from the russian province, this is a war for and then we 'll see what the numbers will be because today i'm almost convinced that the majority of the country's population just wants to get rid of it. i don't think they have much real support. it says much more than those who don't support the war, but only more than half of russians he just believes that it will end like this, we need to make them understand that it will not end until putinskaya, they will be defeated and russia will be forced to pay, and we include a terrible price for this, they say in short from ukraine, which is sold, pays to grow, simply pays for many years, we are talking about hundreds of

billions of dollars, and for that , how would he repeat us? that there will be no sanctions against russia, not you, until it will be especially the entire territory of ukraine, the daughters of sevastopol, including all reparations . criminal, this seems to me to be the main thing that a civilized world should do. besides, naturally, of course, there is no contractual support for ukraine, both military and material and technical . - and you still need an operation on other values ​​in the future, you know what is interesting that in fact you have now repeated the important thesis that the residents of the large cities of the russian

federation must experience this war that our ukrainian military generals, mr. zaluzhnyi and others, recently stated in such a large program article. they said that there was no need for the ukrainian armed forces to completely liberate the territory of ukraine. here, too, your opinion completely coincides with the need to show the residents of large cities that it is really an encroachment on for ukraine, ukrainian territory is really very dangerous for them. and do you think that without great sacrifices, there is a possibility that the russians could actually learn this important lesson, the sound disappeared for a second, i didn’t hear the end of the questions. i asked if the russians would really be able to learn this lesson without great losses, great human sacrifices, without great blood

. the end of the collapse of the russian empire. and this is the last one for the russian empire and the collapse of the empire is always a disease, eh. the retribution of the ussr was the beginning of the end of the russian empire, but no, no, it did not reach its end. they will respond for a very long time even in russia, but again it is necessary to understand that this war is not only a war for the restoration of the cylinder of ukraine . with the help of freedom and tyranny, this is a global war

. and that’s why the victory of ukraine is going to be an effect far beyond the borders of russia. it will be seen everywhere in venezuela, hidden people. today i get up like a person living abroad. i can say that people today are waiting for an essay about the ukrainian victory because it will be a sentence of 7 seran, chinese emiran, we are against it, and accordingly , i am thinking about what it will be, but today it has ceased to be relevant. you all understand that you cannot win, but he has not yet i lost. now, from my chess, i can say that you can’t relax at the desk. it’s not really over. ukraine was captured proactively. yes, the victory is still far away, and i understand that there will be big sacrifices, but it’s important now that it’s not possible. расслабленности благодувшие which i see tell in some ukrainian uh-uh mass media to achieve how do you remember how uh was uf well if you remember

the second world war is pressing here you don't need to do this in moscow of a wet enemy in fact it's sevastopol it's the basis of putin's mythology, the loss of crimea is the total collapse of putin's imperial phantom history and the command of sevastopol, and he will raise the ukrainian flag there. again, use these analogies from the world of chess . what phase are we in now? are we still approaching the endgame, and in which it became obvious that putin had a huge advantage in the debut? well, the initiative is now under ukrainian control, but again, we can't

relax for a second, the work is far from finished, and it's necessary to do everything so that, well, as soon as possible, god can understand every day of the war this new victim says it so easily chess taxes are carried out. well, people are dying. here we are talking somewhere, somewhere, these rockets, so where is it needed? all that is needed is for the war to end. as soon as possible, i and my colleagues did everything so that the sanctions would already run out. here is an article written by you, michael . makfolom a-a mm-m literally a day ago and where are we talking about the fact that the sanctions regime is not tough enough to cover all the fat, for example, through the breast here's how these things go on the first day wars to push putin's russia into the technological stone age is very difficult and for these important words that garry kasparov, the politician, the 13th world champion in chess, said to us, active actions took place on

football fields, basketball, volleyball arenas in europe. of ukraine became even more active on all fronts, in our case we will talk about active actions on football fields, basketball and volleyball courts, all in the order of sports the team of the public will explain further in the issue the highest among all in europe shakhtar donetsk took off i am the happiest coach now on the planet of the national teams of the planet the championship was held for everyone armed with a broom and metal guns they went to clean the arena but the first emotion when we went inside that what you see now is what we threw in our facebook and instagram