it was possible to buy expensive imported gas. because there is more than 14-15 billion cubic meters. it is possible to provide it only at the expense of imported gas. imported gas is very expensive. there is no problem to go and buy two to three thousand dollars at a time on the european market and bring this gas, too . there is no problem. the problem is because when we buy gas for $2.3 thousand, we have to sell it for $200, and we still do not receive the corresponding funds for the gas sold, that's the problem, the state adopted a law that says that tariffs should not be increased for the population. that the state will compensate consumers from the state budget from the special fund of the state budget. we don't even have to compensate consumers in fact for this difference . it's just that these indirect subsidies do n't go directly to consumers, they go to consumers through naftogaz, that is, naftogaz. in this case, it's just an instrument for the state to provide such

indirect subsidies to consumers, but the state must compensate for this difference in tariffs and this is a difficult issue for the state, we must understand how difficult it is for the government to provide compensation of this difference in tariffs, that is, so that now we can additionally buy imported gas. someone must compensate for the difference between the price of imported gas and the price of selling this gas to ukrainian consumers, which is 10-15 times lower. funds must be raised from international partners, that is, the government must raise funds from international partners, this is a difficult task , in an interview with gardin, you said that the heating season will come later and end earlier later and earlier is when. can you tell? it depends on the temperature. there are still certain regulations and we understand that, for example, it will be very cold. theoretically, it can start even earlier, but in reality

, the heating season usually starts on october 15 and ends on april 15. it is very easy to average the air temperature when the average daily temperature is maintained for three days e-e not higher than 8° of heat this year will be different or the same first of all we have the task that in different e ukraine is a big country the territory and in lviv, for example, and there in luhansk, for example, there is a different temperature in october, from experience there even last year, where the scorching season began somewhere in november, somewhere in the middle of october, but this year we understand, and many of the ne mayors, who are aware of this, are already saying that they will do everything possible within the limits of the norms but still, in order to start the disgraceful season later and end it earlier, we personally as naftogaz advocate even revising the norms, we understand that there are sanitary norms, we understand that they justified, but now the war is on and we understand that in

order to have more opportunities to insure people in situations when in winter, for example, there is not enough heat or gas, we need to save it when it is not critical. that is, you understood that it is october even if it is there for three days -8 at night yes but for example, we understand that there is sunshine and, in principle , there is a normal temperature during the day, where it is possible, it is necessary to start the hot season later, especially considering, again, that people should be aware of this, the state made a moratorium not increase in the price of tariffs, we understand that in europe the prices are sometimes 10-15 times higher than in ukraine , in many european countries they limit consumption, they say, for example, there you can’t even if you have money to have a higher temperature in the premises , decisions are made to start the shameful season

again after all, this is state policy, it is not naftogaz that decides, we are a mining company that ensures the ineffective functioning of the entire infrastructure, we do not make political decisions, but we call on the people, call on communities of mayors to be conscious of frugal gas consumption, you said that you are in favor of revising the norms of temperature norms for rooms, so what temperature should we expect eh this winter in the homes of ukrainians, the norm has not yet been revised yes the norm there is 18°, yes but below 18°c 2018 yes the norm but it also depends, by the way, on how efficient, well, thermally efficient the premises are, and the main problem is exactly where there are very old, abandoned premises, accordingly, the coolant is supplied in such a way that the temperature should be 18°, but in fact the temperature is there are many problems with this, the problem is that

our central heating infrastructure has not been modernized, that it is outdated, would you advise the population to buy gas cylinders and gas cylinders in order not to freeze this winter, to be honest, i advise, especially if these are private houses for example, because i experienced it in real situations there this march, when there well, i manage all of this, this entire system, and i was there for two hours, we had a selector and they told us that this village, this village remains without gas, we can't do anything the military does not give us the opportunity to even go there to repair something. i understand that it was -20 there for one day and people are left without gas, and if i know that they have a gas tank, if i know that they have a propane-butane cylinder, then i understand that people are independent because, for example, i had gas in march, but we couldn't install it. you couldn't repair the gas pipeline, so people need to prepare for it. have you already calculated the damages caused by all ukrainian gas

stations ? to be established by the state, we are already talking about direct losses of tens of billions of hryvnias, but the main ones even our problems are that due to the losses caused to us by our consumers, it is also the population, industry, for example , payments for the level of payment for gas consumed have decreased very much. that is, we understand how difficult is it for the whole country, if we take the gas transportation system, for example, where there are main gas pipelines, we know that the russians did not specifically bomb them because it is in the gas pipelines through which they export gas from europe and receive billions of dollars for gas exports, the same applies to the transit part of the oil transportation system, but where, for example, these are gas distribution networks, medium-pressure networks,

rural pressure networks that go to the cities and go to people's homes where active hostilities , they were sometimes on purpose, sometimes not on purpose , because they were just like that, well, they were bombarded, you’ve already seen them and you haven’t seen them, but they covered whole areas there. accordingly, there was very high damage to the entire infrastructure. how gas distribution and, for example, the same enterprises teplokomunenergo well, our biggest problem is that the russians specially used missiles from the caspian sea, from the black sea, from the territory of russia, belarus, hit all the oil refineries and all the oil depots, oil product pipelines, this was a huge problem for us. there are 30 arrivals on e, some objects are there 3-4 times even when they have already destroyed everything.

arrival at the end of july, naftogaz of ukraine for the first time did not pay payments for euro sheets, announced its default, you can say why the default became possible at all, considering the fact that as the company stated, however, naftogaz had money in the accounts and you could settle with investors on all the accounts that you had at that time, they explain the situation so that people would simply understand, it unfortunately happened that in the 20th year, after a few years before that, when naftogaz had already become profitable, taras was a black man there until the 14th year. then, right there, our the team carried out the reform, made naftogaz profitable and naftogaz in the 19th year showed record profits of more than uah 60 billion and the whole country has already started to get used to the fact that naftogaz is a profitable company, then in the 20th year there are changes in the e-e team in the 20- in the 20th year,

naftogaz becomes unprofitable and shows a loss of 19 billion . then in the 21st year, the president changes the leadership of naftogaz. making naftogaz profitable again naftogaz becomes profitable by uah 12 billion according to the results of the year and with more payments, the budget and production are starting to increase, we are improving our work and we really entered this year with such a positive pace . this year, they go for the opportunity to help the country to be stable for people during the war, but war is war, therefore, we understood the situation when the government despite the fact that the company was profitable that

the company had money in the accounts because we accumulated these funds for payment by euro bills, well, we have a credit agreement, we had a credit agreement, we understood what we had to pay, we prepared these funds to pay it, despite the fact that, again, we increased it payments and the budget and helped people they helped the energy companies, but the state made a decision to restructure all state debt to international creditors. both the so -called sovereign debt and state companies. that is, this is a decision made by the state. the state said war is difficult. we cannot at such a time. to pay the money to the creditor and that is why they made a decision, the state made a decision not to pay the money that naftogaz should have paid to the creditors and instead to offer the creditors a so-called restructuring, that is, to postpone the repayment of this again and there twice. we tried to do it twice

and the first and second time everything determined the state is determined by the government, not naftogaz, because sometimes they speculate that naftogaz did something, something went wrong, naftogaz did nothing in particular, the government made a decision , we understand this decision, the government made a decision and said, you just have to go to the creditors and say that the government made such a decision to restructure the debt, however, at the end of july and the beginning of august, the investors did not agree to restructure this payment, so why don't they arrange the terms or something else, so there were really two attempts, i.e., the first attempt, we came, they said here is the government, although the creditors refused to restructure, the second time we came to us, there are three issues of arabization with a parachute, in the 22nd year, the 24th, the 26th, the government changed the conditions a little for the second time but the reaction was different from the creditors in the 22nd year and in the 26th year, even more people

agreed to the structuring of creditors, so that is, the situation was even worse in the 24th year, on the contrary, they were held on structuring and we managed to restructure, that is, to postpone payments due to various factors, again, the government determined the conditions of the government, it is better to see why such conditions were the first time, the second time, what they changed and why it did not benefit others, the two sides do not agree on those conditions which proposes the government. this helped the government to restructure the sovereign debt. again , this should be seen in the context of the restructuring, not of naftogaz, but of the government 's history of the restructuring of the state debt . sentences such a decision by your

debt is now a valid question but the government accepts that such a decision he took upon himself and responsibility for well for such a situation with naftogaz but again, we understand how difficult it is for the government in such a situation. the government needs to balance the financial problems of the entire country, and they look not only at naftogaz, but they look at the whole situation, in particular, with the entire external debt of the state. and how many more times will you try to postpone payments , negotiate with investors, again, this is the government's decision, i can't take a bite, the less it's naftogaz, only the government, through the mediation of naftogaz, is engaged in this, roughly speaking well, technically, we are engaged in that is, we participate and convince investors. and for example, the same successful experience with the restructuring of a bond maturing in the 24th year. i personally participated in all meetings with creditors there and explained to them why this should be

done, that is, we take together a representative of the ministry of finance and a representative naftogaz is sometimes represented by other representatives of the state, and here we are all together convincing the creditors to ressurat the debt. but again, the conditions of the process are determined by the government. how would you rate the relations naftogaz and the government of ukraine, taking into account the resolution by which the work of naftogaz was recognized as unsatisfactory, well, now it is not until the clarification of the relationship , uh, they told me that this is a misunderstanding, let it be on the conscience of those who made such a decision, again, now the war is not until exile relations, we work uh, we have normal working relations with the government, we understand that we have one country for everyone , we understand that we are in the same boat, everyone's role is very important, and it depends on our joint work without any disputes, only quickly we we will defeat our common enemy, in this case

fascist russia, i wish us all success and luck in this and victory in the near future thank you, sir our holidays and shrines are located here. as they say, even this is not difficult. and we have the case when everything that is collected in the territory of kirovohrad region of our district is all here. now we are collecting for a house for 6 people, there is father and mother and four children. they have already arrived today, but they are waiting for us to issue it quickly and properly

let's settle them there, there are six sets of drivers, here are six sets of pillows for bedding, and all this is taken to the house along the way, the girls are now taking curtains, curtains, carpets from us - that's all, we are now loading mops , brooms and leaving. the evacuation of donetsk is in full swing, they don't have a car to get here, they went by train to dnipro, from dnipro they went to kropyvnytskyi, and in kropyvnytskyi this morning they were picked up by their acquaintances who already live in our village of koli people started to stay in the district, i was personally at the headquarters and they ask me if i like it. tell me, please , is there any housing somewhere to rent, and the girls say well, for sure, well, there is no longer in the district, she says, maybe you searched there, well, in the neighboring villages, i am standing like this natalka is our godmother and an acquaintance says tanyuha, come on, organize it,

says you have a lot of houses there, let's come up with something, i thought, well, you can try some ones there, that house knows that house zveniv viti , i say vita, find it, i say the landlady, i say we need deputies. what was the answer of our fellow villagers that well, of course, people need help, we will always help, wait, also thread and nifig, all the safety equipment, please, when was it sold out for a month, march, and we could build two or three houses in a day in this way, quickly, quickly, girls already again they are falling, and the girls, let's run because tomorrow we will have another two hours, they will take you long, you know , because it is not me, they are taking them, they are finding us, i say with you, i will never forget when the family came at night . they came to a boy who was 5 years old and when they entered to a child's house. i have never seen such an insole in a

child. he is simply hysterical, he stomps his feet, screams , falls to the floor and tells his mother. i don't want to live here . my mother doesn't like it here. i want to go home. i went outside and yelled it's just a slipper you can't pass it on you didn't know what to talk to them about you didn't know how to start your conversation and when people tell you what's happening in our country they are bombing us so terribly we sat there with the children for three sundays in the basement afterwards understood when 18 corpses arrived there yard and we realized that well, we can't sit here any longer and we need to leave and move when they tell you their story and you do n't even have a word, you know how they say, comfort them, well , calm down because everything will be fine yes, how will it be, how will it be well, and not to say anything. also, we could n't tell the old woman, only with her husband, the children will come

tomorrow the day after tomorrow, the main thing is that it's quiet, that everything is not our type there, at all, the redhead has already arrived in the city in the permanent season. there was a family, the boy said, where and where to hide here and he immediately says that he does not want adults he is by himself, we are already like that, he is silent for 7 years, yes, he is six or seven years old, yes, he was so pale when he arrived, i remember 30 days, 30 days they spent with the grandmother, the parents, they went out to the house, they are still there. well, he sat with the grandmother non-stop for 30 days in the basement, we should have gone and bought him some fruit, well, it was a pity, it was a pity,

because you have your children eating fruit there on a plate. i wouldn't be where i am without them the fathers of the war did not exist. he would also be at home. why are we doing all this? why are we all gathered here and doing this thing because our children are sleeping in their beds and we and our defenders are doing everything to ensure that it continues to be so and that this war ends as soon as possible. and it remained like that, and those children who need our help must be helped. the girls are generally the boys who are fighting. those who work with us are boys. they have been in the war since the 14th year, and now they are

also the first to go there. how much is it i say it's free, just pay for the electricity you use and that's all. people have given themselves houses to live in for free until they consider it necessary that, well, we all go home. we calmly tell everyone that it's free. everyone likes it for free. go away for free . go away for free. live for free. and how much? live as long as you think is necessary. i say how long you live. by the time you settle down, you will dig out all the children - that's understandable. you go to bed there at 11, the beginning of the 12th, and at 12:00 at night, personally, how did my night go? i am sitting until the beginning of the second. i scribble text messages to all the volunteers i find on social networks, i write to everyone and it begins. good night , we are from ukraine, we are such and such, volunteers, we have such and such. we have such a large population. sms in the messenger, it's a scribble-a-scratch-scratch, i'll finish it there until two o'clock in the morning, then it's time to go to bed, because they already get up early, you wake up right away, the first

thing you think is who answered you, even though you're a fool, you understand, you texted them at night who you're so lost i read it at six o'clock in the morning. she already got up, the same way. i'm masha efrosinina. how did she get it? i wrote it. we were masturbating there. smsok 10. i'm watching. she reread it . she rewatched it. i already got her through my text messages. i already have her in stories and she is telling us something. i gave her up in the century. you passed her. you are sitting. you will hear me and you will see. and she wrote to you. please, don't bother me. here is the number of anastasia, the curator. i will appear with her. the first one is not i called. i don't know if we had a lot of people living there and we were cleaning. then a girl called me. good afternoon, and there's anastasia from masha yefrosinina. we want to help you, and you know when she told me that we'll pay you 30,000. they didn't fall out, i say like 30,000 well, 30,000 for us to buy all this, what we need, well, that, well, for us to get out of there right away, so that we

need the first things first, then, then, they paid us four bills for children's shoes, women 's shoes, well, men's shoes, then they paid they are us hygiene for 30,000, the account was paid for 30,000 , we took the bill for the stoves, well, we took this for the bowls, well, i understand, bags, bowls, brooms, buckets, they also paid us , and they paid the bill for the dishes, this is the pans, they went there . for haircuts, the dishes were brought to us from kirovohrad, the girls of novomyrhorod , volunteers in general. these are ours, you know, like sticks , helpers, they start or did they help us from too, put them in a plate, ending with furniture, uncle vasya there, in general, a cool dude, we have refrigerators he supplies us and in general, he supplies everything that is possible, well, now, you know, people have already given everything they have, it’s already very hard, well, it’s hard to find something, i won’t say that it helps us. yes, neuromassive. everyone

there receives humanitarian aid for 22 tons. no, it’s not 22 tons. it's a handful, but we can help, they often say that look, don't bring the russian world here, and i want to tell you that not even one of those who we settled here have not seen the russian world, that's how much people they are for ukraine and are ready to help ukraine to the last in the first place they are you we talked in our chat in russian, now everyone is talking because we are breaking ourselves , we are what we are and if we live in ukraine, then please communicate in ukrainian with us, and they, we, them, we didn't force anyone, but they are on their own everyone is already communicating with us in the chat in ukrainian, we have two apartments and two houses left, we thought we would visit the farm for easter, as they promised

the farm, well, on the 9th, everything is creaking, well, hello, so we have arrived . now we will probably winter, i already think that they gave us money for firewood, no thank you, it’s generally good what it happened at home better here excuse the attitude of people in the first place eh i even went home пролосс время that's how it looks очень очень время очень время the cheerful guy calls my son at 5 in the morning i'm watching seryozha i think damn it at 5 in the morning what the hell does he want what does he not sleep i pick up the phone he says tan, father died, i say, i mean, he died, i say well, why did he only come on sunday, he already died, what is he doing to us? where is

he calling us, what are we, people, a shock, seryozha, stay in place . now i will solve everything, get up, men. the funeral parlor is here set up, well, it was just funny, but you know, well, no one would have helped them at that moment, well, if it wasn't for us, i get in the car and go there, take the filsher , we arrive. offices to bury her. and in our house, it’s not hot outside, well, grandfather, no one will keep it in the house, and it’s necessary. now it’s necessary, we only have until 12:00 . grandfather was already being collected here they brought us, we came with the damn thing and we didn't get nervous. damn, it wasn't funny. and i want to tell you , my grandfather died at five to two. they already buried it for them, you know, the man says you don't just resettle them, you just

buried them. the bureau is busy where you show us the house we have prepared you and your children, we will tell you what we have done here, which rooms have been prepared for you. yes, here you will have a dining table, where you will be , the word is your dining room. we have provided you with the necessary hygiene products for the time being, then you will come to the headquarters. we will prepare a room here where you will be all men, so that peace, prosperity, harmony, prosperity and harmony prevail among us ukrainians, they won in this house, a family lived in which there were no children at all the people were very nice. i think that the grandmother is looking at us from heaven together and is happy that in this house there will be a life about children. thank you for keeping

your children, wife, people, so now we have 246 people living in the village by family, if you count brothers, that is 58 families per house, it already reaches up to 50, it seems that our husbands, well, well, you know when a woman sat next to him all the years and served a spoon until, well, she took care of one beautiful moment, mom put everything away and went to help someone else, it is clear that my children are jealous of me my husband is jealous of the fact that we spend a lot of time stupidly, i understand. i told them and asked for their forgiveness, that's it now. well, i'll be the same as i was before. i'll go back to my family, i 'll be the same, but what do you want to say? how were the meatballs hot cabbage rolls are rolled up, that's how we have them, mom, it's a little made up, but she will definitely make the children

their delicacies that they like and bake bread in the oven . i can't do otherwise. well, that's it already. we, if i leave, if olya, tanya lena, if you all leave, who's going to do some work ? people want to stay with us there is a house where andriy, grandfather of zvabushka, lived. we will settle these people for free, too, and we will completely rewrite this house. we will repair it. and so that the people will stay in the village, they themselves are from severodonetsk. they showed a photo of a direct hit . they had an apartment. what remained was the back wall of the apartment and everything, and the people, well, where are they going, they have nowhere to go, he says and you know, he says i don’t want her, they will return there, he

tells us as long as he says they lived there, they constantly said that we are here, well cattle and he says when i i bumped into that and came to you and saw your attitude. how do you help people? i understood who they are. who are they? people of conscience. i will say no matter what they say that they are not. but they are conscientious. maybe somewhere in there he had some thoughts. he thought wrong before. i hope very much . i believe that they have changed their minds. i think that the people who are already here want to live in ukraine. i want to believe it. i hope so. they wanted to measure russian there . no, we are not heroes of ukraine don't care