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and news, therefore, public opinion is always contradictory, it is always ambiguous, and when we change the question a little, we can get, well, so to speak, corrective answers that react very strongly to answers to other questions , that is why i say that we need, well, we need a serious analyst, when a serious analyst who writes er already for snakes or serious journalism well trained in sociology who writes this information is not just to do some ctrl seec by the way, i also saw an opinion divided, they asked this question, and it is a very important question. the following question is: will the war end? can we postpone the elections? because we have more urgent needs, or should elections be held? well, as
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soon as the war ends, as it should be by law, a little more than 50%. i don't remember the exact figure in my opinion. 52 maybe a little more they said that we can postpone, but 40% said no, we can't postpone the elections, that is, martial law is ending and we no longer have legal training for ukrainians, there are no legal restrictions for democracy. i will be very correct here, because you know the restrictions, the martial law is ending. well, it can still be a hybrid war, it can still continue. yes, in our country, the war was going on even without a military one, and until the 24th, and in our country, it was unheard of, by the way. freedom of speech yes and now we actually have nothing under martial law. freedom of speech is like that. if we talk about 40%, he says that no, you can't postpone it, but 40%. this is a very large figure, let's remember that
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iryna bikeshkina she liked to repeat this figure that 15% stood on the maidans across the country. moreover not all of them even stood, not all of them went out for a night out, some of them helped, uh, financially, some of them brought warm things, some of them made coffee, chaika napki , in total there were 15% of such people. and these 15% were enough to break the regime of yanukovych and the customs union imposed by russia at the time, and so on. when i see these figures that want to preserve freedoms, opportunities and freedom of criticism , including this government, well, this is optimistic enough . once again, i it was very unfortunate
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that i focused my attention on what you said about criticism authorities, so during the war, for many of us, this question arises, how to criticize the authorities. and when you understand that we are in the same boat and the rocking of this boat without any jokes. as a political scientist for myself and as a citizen, in what way is it necessary or possible or not necessary to criticize the government? look , we actually got an answer to this when all political forces voted for the introduction of martial law and the granting of appropriate powers to the president as the supreme commander-in-chief, is it necessary? in addition to this, we have all introduced a certain self-censorship for ourselves , it’s true, and everyone also listens to many experts,
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and those who are known for their critical attitude towards the authorities, they say we know this, we know what mistakes there were, let’s say ready for war preparing for war immediately after but we will talk about it after the victory i think this is a very correct position that is, we are all lurking-interpreting how to say it, we receive criticism of the government, we all do it where it is possible to criticize and where it is not, i think what the most reserved should be ordinary when we talk about some military things, especially since the majority of people who are not specialists. yes, even on the channels there are many very people who comment on military events, they are not actually military experts in this field, so i think that the actions of our military, er, military decisions, we
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can criticize to the smallest extent, in general, it should not be done that way, that is, what can be and what can be criticized, and where we see that they really do not allow that positional channels are limited they let certain people on the air where we see that the government is there where we see that in the afternoon there is a meeting of our president and the students are sitting next to the minister of education also in a very beautiful vyshyvanka and the students are asking him the president is asking and wait, before the war we started an indefinite strike against the scarlet yes, because the person is a plagiarist, that is, he is shouting. this person can not, cannot, er, lead the world, and here volodymyr oleksandrovich says listen, it was before the war, why are you raising this issue here, it is not at all timely it is so small, it shows that the president does not
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understand and from here we can criticize here but again , we should speak carefully we should not shout out there shame we will leave there and this is what we should say that we are fighting for a new ukraine for a new ukraine and that is why it is absolutely obvious what do we have to change what is there if there is one more moment i think it is very important because i often give comments to western media, western arabic media, turkish media, etc. and now they start calling me something. well what do you have there zelensky concentrates power yarmak concentrates power and you know that when i speak here i speak, i am very, very sharp enough when i speak there i am talking about the composition of our delegation at the istanbul negotiations , why do people appear there who are not actually diplomats and so on when i speak at the event i
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try to be careful. yes, i try not to use any harsh words about our government, moreover, if we remember the washington post article that said that the government did not prepare properly for the war and zelensky to be honest, i gave an unsuccessful answer there, and this article did not tell us, this article is true, we know everything about it, we know about it even without the war. let the leadership of the country be fair. but by doing so, it undermines the level of trust in ukraine from international partners, so i believe that it did not play a positive role, as well as the statements of the spartans .
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now let's go back to sociology to technology because i, too, have a great temptation to talk about victoria from the party and about this article in the constitution, everything is harmful, everything has been closed, this topic is closed. therefore , the survey is in august, democratic initiatives together with the center of intelligence conducted your survey regarding the request for democracy, freedom, monopolization of power, and so on, you wrote that you asked the question a bit more widely. please tell me what this poll showed, look, there was a poll about the strong hand,
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there were several questions, including about the strong hand, and we also showed that well, before the war, before the full-scale war, those who think that we had several forces formulated whether only strong leaders can do more for the country than all the laws and discussions, yes, that is, before the war it did not exceed 55%, now it has increased a little to 58, but this figure, let's say, at the end of the zeros, it was 75%. that is actually if we look at the trend yes, such a global decrease in this support , then we had a question about which system is best for ukraine. that is, we did not tie it , unlike the city, that is the situation, because there all the questions are here and now, but during the war, we
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asked what is the best system for ukraine, democracy 64%. and 14% say that, under certain circumstances, autocracy can be better than democracy. 13% are ahead of the curve in this respect, but 64 and 4 compared these numbers, so 60%, so what about democracy with countries with stable democracy, let's say with combined the states or with britain. can you now compare it, where we are in the same relationship? you know i can’t, but if you had given me this task in the pre-program, i would have googled and found something on this topic, but looking at the situation in hungary, which is in france where 40% voted in the second round of zallyaten, again, these are not all supporters
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for sure, but those who voted 40%. i don't hear it, she's a number for a-a well, and so on, look, well, trump is a separate story in general, which means that he retains the chances of re-election, if on what would like to emphasize here that 64 on the trend of 64%. by 2014 there were less than 50 such people, after 2014 they became more than 54% and now as many as 64, and we made a breakdown by social status, which means that the greatest support for democracy among better -off people is 70, or 71%, but even and among those who do not have a diagram, i will now move on to this one, but among us there was a category of extreme poverty, still 53% against 15%. yes, that is, these are
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good indicators, now we turn to this diagram that you showed us, because here we are asked a provocative question and we ask it regularly measure everything let's show everything we ask before freedom we say can you sacrifice for freedom and for the sake of your well- being well of course we understand that this is somewhat artificial because everyone wants to be healthy, rich and beautiful at the same time yes but we still asked if it means, after all, for the sake of wealth, are you ready to give up a share of your freedoms in the state , and you see this, oh, so that he is equal to the higher the level of education, he falls such people into
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the total for the country was 31%. but let's go back to this chart of 47%. they said all over ukraine that we don't want to sacrifice freedom, and again, the higher the level of education, we see that here already 57% say so. we don't want to. when they understand that freedom can be smeared for bread , well, you can. you can say that, although yes, we can say that too, but once again, you know, we had different situations and we had situations when the society was really very poor, but it did the right thing when the situation when for example, during economic growth, and the maidan of
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2004 is a period of economic growth, and people came out. you people came out not for money, people came out against falsification for dignity, and we had a revolution of dignity, people came out for dignity and beat their children, not even for european integration, but in 19- populism this year, it worked, it worked. therefore, once again, i think that in general, these numbers are good enough , these numbers are good enough. we see the risks for those who think, make decisions, this is also very important. the main thing is that the government does not buy into it, that it does not see the taste in this. well, we know that such temptations, unfortunately, unfortunately, there are before us, you have a separate section. yes, in this
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in the demonization survey where you ask people about the war, more than 90% of the ukrainians surveyed believe that we will win the victory, but what is victory for the ukrainians, how do they perceive it? tell us what ukrainians consider a victory, what is a victory for them? ago what is it with our survey, it shows results that match the survey of other sociological services and yes, ukrainians believe in victory, ukrainians do not want to compromise with russia, our survey - this is confirmed by the share of those who agree to the fact that well, let's give, let's give crimea to russia and we will end
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the war, well, it is about 9%. those who say that let's answer yes for what? well, that will be a victory , they think we will liberate all of ukraine except for crimea , yes and such and such such and such 9%. yes and those who say that our victory is a return to the status quo on february 23 in such seven and a half well 8%, let's 8%. yes, these people also believe that it will be our victory, yes, but in principle, these results show that ukrainians do not want to make concessions to the aggressor, they are demonstrated by all sociological surveys and even i say it is strange for me well, my partners, my colleagues, there is nothing strange here, there are no ukrainians got it, the ukrainians understand that it is impossible to retreat any further, they are ready to go to the end, i also understand that, i just understand that people, well, this is war
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psychological fatigue. this is a loss and so on. and in the west, by the way, they want to say well, once for the ukrainians, well, let's give them rooms for negotiations, but surveys before show that ukrainians do not want such negotiations . we have time, we can discuss them, if not, then look when we asked who is responsible for the war and there you could give several options for answers and so 86% believe that the russian leadership bears the main responsibility for the war in ukraine everything popularity by the way, putin lukashenka, who was insanely popular in ukraine all of it is not there 86%. says that the leadership of russia is responsible, but since it was possible to give several answers, about 20% say that the leadership
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of ukraine is also responsible for this, so that is, at the same time, people even from some percentages indicated both russia and ukraine, 18%. who always voted for the pro-russian forces, that's right, it's always actually, here's this one, i know it's a percentage. no, not necessarily. because if we're talking about those who support the most, let's say they were fixed, if we were fixed, let's say it was the supporters of the customs union , they fell, yes, the supporters of the union with russia, another 18% say that nato is also responsible for this, yes , that is, 86% say that russia and 18% say that it is also nato yes, that is, a few percent and they intersect here and there, you know, i wouldn’t even say that, because i heard these thoughts and thoughts of what is there in the bazaar, there are some people there, i sell coins and they say well,
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yes, putin is certainly a bastard, a slanderer, but, well, we are there they jumped, they wanted it, they wanted it, he joined nato yes, that is, such people are also understood, these numbers are a little disturbing for me, but the fact that the russian world has completely collapsed, well, that is a fact, yes, that is, this is a question, let's say it is simply a question of responsibility, where it is distributed to everyone, it is also a little putin fersteid putin fersteinsky yes, but uh supporters of the russian peace, those who say now let's go to russia, yes, and they, and before the war there was no eurasian union, it was about 10%. yes, in different conditions, ah, mr. oleksiy, i offer eh, actually we have literally eh, hmmm, 7 minutes left to talk about the book of memories in the texts of speeches dedicated to the memory of iryna bekeshkina, this is
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actually this book, we will also show it separately in the picture. and er and winged sayings because why is it called as long as we are alive i will remind you that the continuation of this phrase er of this aphorism of the brilliant brilliant irina bekeshkina is while we are alive nothing has been decided definitively so er why is this possible for you why and by what this is why this character remains so important and so so bright for the population well, by the way, i would like to say that for the second year in a row, according to the amway version, she is included in the list of the most influential
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ukrainians of all time, of all time. we are talking about irina pikeshkina first of all. this is absolute honesty against the background of venality. yes, because we know how much we sell political scientists and, unfortunately, sociologists and political experts and public figures are bought. they defected to yanukovych, then they defected to poroshenko, then zelensky, then well, unfortunately , these people are scumbags who personified this crystal honesty, just like ilko kucheriv, who was the founder of this fund and in 2004, it was our fund that i did not work for at that time but he made friends with plus-miss plus churches, it was these three centers in
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the consortium that withstood the pressure, then there was the testimony of people who worked for the party of regions or puppets who offered a million dollars to paniotta, this is also evidence. well, there are a little less numbers, he calls uh but also the pressure was crazy yes, and many sociologists simply could not resist and they gave falsified results, although, again, they are now present on tv screens and in the mass media and are promoted and so on. so, absolute honesty, a very clear professional position, the struggle for professional standards, she she struggled a lot with all these pseudo sociological offices, and she was aptly named horned hooves, and since then it has been the same as the floor, because everyone says that it is horns and horns and hooves, and she was very clever, they loved her very aptly, aptly
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well, you quoted here, let's say that ukraine is a unique centaur, where a high level of freedom is combined with a high level of corruption and lawlessness, so, well, it was about uh earlier, time flies for two years, she continues, the main thing is that now ukraine is this is plus freedom minus the law and goes on to say that there are two possible ways to add law to freedom and become a democratic country or take away ukraine's freedom and become an authoritarian state . that we are threatened by autarky, any government has temptations to concentrate something more in their hands, and such temptations will be here, will they become
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real, well, will they be successful, i think not , again, the practice of ukraine shows this time and time again society every time it becomes more organized more after the maidans now we see this self-organization of society 2 greece moment - this is not a candidate for the european union yes and this is a factor of our internal transformations yes therefore it will be very very difficult to leave this there are threats, but i think we will surrender them, if possible , we have a couple of minutes, let's just say an aphorism about the government, the most terrible government is stupid, even a corrupt one is not such a big evil, yanukovych and his entourage snuck in and watched this about yanukovych, yes, a proposal, a proposal about populism, oh my god, yes and the positions of needs need to be communicated with people and not with a megaphone voice, yes, about the contradictions in the
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views of ukrainians, this is what we talked about, you know what is interesting, we seem to be unhappy and poor, we do not succeed in anything, we like to complain a lot we are looking at our new year's survey, the question of whether you are happy and answer yes and we have always been interested here that ukrainians always say that ukraine is moving in the wrong direction. and how do you see your future? it is optimistic. i see my own, but now the situation is the first in many years. in such a way that countries look at the future better than their own, and this again says that people see that ukraine is ukraine, ukraine will be ukraine when you talk about your own. well, you understand the problems you are facing, yes. by the way, our
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survey shows that once again hope prevails among ukrainians, during the maidan, she said that the initiative of public organizations should be the formation of a new maidan, maidan reform, and this is what we are talking about now we say that we are fighting again for a new country, if oh she had another one called, well, one question, we have comfortable cans, it’s possible, phenomenal, everything is radical, i’ll have one more question for you , a drawing so good, the phenomenon of cans because it concerns what ukrainians are doing now . iryna bikishkina, who went to the mountains, and she says that there is such a phenomenon that it is difficult for you to walk, you fall down, what should you do, take a can from a neighbor who also has the same can, transfer it from your backpack to your backpack and you will immediately you will feel relief because you have
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helped someone, she says that it contradicts the laws of physics, but uh, but this is uh, this is such a kind of psychological phenol, that's what she called the canned phenomenon, and i think that ukrainians, when we take our survey, they just show that it's terrible the war and the ukrainians are not losing optimism i want we have literally two minutes left, i still have a very important question er for you this is er according to my feelings and observations and not only mine yes er this war we are paying a terrible price but we in fact, we acquired a completely new sense of subjectivity for us, we saw ourselves against the background of other nations, and we understood that we are now the moral leaders of the world, we are absolutely our army, how powerful is it, and how much the world admires ukrainians in general, and our true strength. so
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subjectivity, a new identity, we got rid of it well, it seems to me that the feeling of secondaryness in relation to the former empire of our metropolis . it is an inherent feature of our is it not me after the victory, history never happens, nothing is irreversible, that is, there are black swans that can change something, but in general, i think the trend is absolutely obvious, more i want to say you do you remember that even until february 24, we were told in 2010 and in 2014 that ukraine is not a subject, ukraine is an object, they are dividing us. and then we said, listen, if we became subjects, we would have stopped putin in 2014. we are a subject, we are a subject of politics. because if it were
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not for the ukrainian people, they would have taken us, captured and divided us, and that was the case before, but now you are absolutely right. this sense of subjectivity is nothing with us anymore. at my level and in the world that's also why i think that everything will be fine and iryna pikeshkina said about herself that she is pathological an optimist although she understood all the problems although she understood all the problems, nothing was idealized and that's why i think we also need to understand this problem, you understand. unfortunately, this is with us for a long time, that it may drag on and there will be victims, but we will win unconditionally. yes, and our mood simply must not be persistent hard work, thank you, thank you, humor helps us. thank you
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