who is a cobla-collaborator and what is his responsibility so further, i would also like to add that we are, after all, a legal country and through the courts any country will be able to prove its innocence in a court of law. for 12 years, these teachers who came, look, he said there unequivocally, yes, we have rostislav smirnov in the law, parents were promised 200,000 rubles of salary, and despite the fact that they receive no more than 45,000 uah in russia you understood four times more than in russia came here to teach our children according to the russian program after that we say that language is not important lessons - it is not important books it is not important right important good thank you rostyslav smirnov, adviser to the minister of internal affairs of ukraine, was our guest more olga is lazy about the

chronicles of the information war, she will tell us everything, she is not tired of monitoring all this cotton wool that pours from the taps of russian television olya, we congratulate you on the word well and egor, well, actually, i will tell you about the latest strikes, about the reaction of the russians to this, and about something let's talk about various internal things, so we are watching russian propagandists talk about a new stage of the war. don't think that there is someone there who wants to end it, you don't quite, no, all the propagandists are calling for further fighting in social networks and telling how the russians were given popitions, now someone needs to be punished and something should be reconsidered even sometimes it is broadcast on tv that we need to be more adequate to the situation. but again, this does not mean that they say, let's stop fighting, no. but nevertheless, they understand that well they underestimated something, and now it is necessary to evaluate it

. look, i always think that i am from that side, it doesn’t matter . что онимас садуаться в пленде, no, we don't see mass surrenders in the pool , more than that, the conversation is that they are on the defensive, while the son is on the defensive, we are preparing, that is, the motivation is generally strong in russian tv, for the most part they are already constructing such a new reality, they are telling what will happen now the special operation is like a straight war, the war, and how now the whole of ukraine will be turned into ruins, well, feel the atmosphere as they talk about the destruction of ukrainian power grids, see the turning point in the entire

special operation in ukraine, russia has begun to strike at the economic and energy infrastructure, ukraine will use cruise missiles to empty the two largest thermal power plants of levoberezhnaya in two days ukraine - this is the kharkiv t-5 kremenchug tess on the footage of the moment of yesterday's explosion of high-explosive ammunition at the chp plant in kharkiv, because of which all the region was left without light in the wake of a giant explosive wave, well, not a little bit. they are jumping for joy. well, they are steaming the russians, as if they hit the ukrainian power system in response to the strikes of the armed forces of ukraine on the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, although well, they themselves did the beating , but they are enjoying themselves, you know, they are literally trying to tell, you know. such destruction, such destruction, listen for yourself, kharkiv metro has stopped, vot oni eti kadry, the water supply has been decorated

and disappeared for the second time without electricity, zaporizhskaya sumy region, a power outage recorded in dnipropetrovsk oblast this is the same in some districts of kyiv in poltava , three trolleybuses caught fire due to a power surge . it is also reported that the entire system of electric trains has stopped in ukraine. you know what is happening with these stories about how everything here has already died, everything has been destroyed and so on, they are not just misinforming, they are lying, this is wrong, this is wrong. they are trying this way, this is that to save face for putin, to show that, well , no, that’s how we fight. well, since they don’t know how to fight with the army

. you know, the attempt to really save the face of the russian government is such a work for the internal audience, a story that everything is here, but they even just feel that such a dramatic element is simply silent nonsense, without comments, as the whole world discusses what in ukraine is already a slipper, look

around ukraine, well, you know, armageddon is like that, well, it doesn’t even cause anger anymore. i don’t know what kind of disgust it is, like some slimy bruna . that no, this is not a war with the population, look, no one is taking revenge and no one is fighting with the population, it ’s just that now it’s very clear that there are institutions that must be

implemented . deputy of the state duma, how is this in your head? it is combined with destroying the lives of ukrainians yes and telling that you are at war with nato, no, guys, you are not at war with nato, you are at war with ukraine and more than that. literally, after about 10 minutes , the same thesis sounds right there. look, today we must understand for myself, i started a real war, and it is no longer possible for anyone to sit , the peace for which we went to liberate, i think that we will come to kiev, that we will come to other cities , we are meeting and waiting, look who is fighting today in the east, the same russian world no they today, everyone is fighting against us and we don't need

to think about who we can save and protect. well, just kill everyone, but now russian ideologues are thinking that the russian federation has no ideology, there is no national idea, it must be created, i'll tell you. it seems that the russians have a national idea. now it sounds like that to disgust the ukrainians, there are no other motives. well, that’s another matter. and rather, even more about internal things, internal media things, let’s talk with dmytro likhoviei, this is the editor-in-chief of the online publication numbers, yes, dovzhenko, media expert, media trainer , he was the editor-in-chief of the media detector, if i’m not mistaken, now no, yes, i congratulate you, gentlemen, let’s talk more about the media situation in ukraine, but let’s just record your impressions from this kind of new rhetoric

well, it's not so much new, rather it's some kind of reinforcement, er, hmm, what is it, how is it, how do you feel about it, let's take care of you, sir, you know, i somehow, er, for the past six months, i've been wary of the russians media of russian sources tried not to to use without an urgent production need, these last few days in connection with the offensive, i read a lot of telegram channels and now watched well, to be honest, i wouldn't look for any here, she found something in them , they are somehow this one. it seems to me that they have a task constantly generate some kind of propaganda flow that can occupy the brain ganglia of their target audience. and actually it occupies absolutely no logical connection between what they said yesterday and what they say now and what they say

even within the limits of one studio, they say that this is russia, then they say that the east is fighting against us, so it can also be destroyed, er, there is no point in understanding this even with a theater, it is cool that you are showing it, that our people who, thank god, do not see anymore moreover, they can see samples of discourse on tv, but more than samples, it is better not to watch them . well, that’s right, mr. dmitri. how are you? what do you think about it? well, first of all, i’m very glad that uh, these videos are on youtube, uh, what are you doing? and which are dedicated to the fact that before that you told how the russians serve it and you explain all this to the little ones who are watched by millions of viewers and these are millions of our viewers who understand what it is about, but as for all this russian rhetoric, well, in my opinion, we very often exaggerate its meaning for us because

they really do it for internal consumption although to screw him up and simply to divert his attention from the failure of the same kharkiv region, from their shameful retreat and flight from the kharkiv region, they invented a new stage of the war, which for us is actually it doesn't exist, they called it that, and they are winding up the internal audience so that yes, we will start now. there will be a slow but sure victory for ukraine, they will come up with some informational excuse for themselves. well, in fact, we should not attach personal importance to this, so it is to tell the audience that we are successful, but we are not successful

in military actions, here we are successful simply in destruction ukrainians, and all the talk about the fact that we have already destroyed 150,000 of the ukrainian army there, well, it is clear that this is only to show that we kill a lot and nothing more than that, and you know, i guess this is what the russians think, so what else do i have to say when we there someone starts talking about how the russian people are separate and there are some propagandists. the government is separate. it's not true. the propagandists are simply responsible for the russian audience. this is my conclusion. but nevertheless , let's return to what you and i were going to talk from the beginning, and we were going to talk about it. we want to talk now about how the war in ukraine is being covered, and actually this is the situation that has arisen in us now. it's a little bit

new when they didn't let journalists to the front, and in principle it turned out to be in fact, part of the subtle game introduced by the general staff in order to mislead the enemy. how do you feel about this, because this is a debatable issue, i think it should be discussed in order to understand what happened and what conclusions to draw and how in this situation there is actually a situation for journalists to work, the general staff is conducting something. he said no, no one is going to the fronts, is not going enough, well enough. by the way, it is not going that much and how should we all feel about it, that is, how should the journalistic community react to it ? well, sir, let's do the theorem without you against unmotivated restrictions, but motivated restrictions during the war. it seems to me that in principle what happened uh what happened in the last days was

so uh glorious victorious and cool as an image that if uh it was shown if it was possible to let journalists in and they showed it. it would only be a plus, and therefore, if it was not possible to let in journalists, it means that the military leadership had no serious reason for this, and i know right here that we all constantly repeat that we believe in the ukrainian army in this situation i believe in the military command that it was not worth it to let the journalists in another question but that this should not be a total practice and it is not possible let's put it this way to announce such bans for a long time and er when they are not really motivated by some strategic plans, but i think that it was worth it to suffer, dmytro, you

worked from the 14th year and were even in the army yourself, that is, you could look a little from the inside, yes, at this story -e works with the armed forces and with the media and society in general, and then, in fact, you are always so meticulously, your journalist monitors all the events at the front, i would even say that, well, probably of all the media, you enter in the top five of those that are directly focused on combat actions, that is, there are a lot of them, and how do you feel about it behave because, well, now it’s even different, they say, well, it’s good there, according to the first stage, when the first three days just started there, everything was clear, and even before that, everything was clear . to let the journalists in, but we don't

know. well, actually, the operation is not over, so i don't have a definite opinion, you know . maybe you, since you work more with this, have a more definite opinion, well, look, i'll remind you of what it started it all started from e-e warming up the information field regarding the offensive of the armed forces of ukraine in the kherson direction and we were all under the influence of e-e, maybe it was such a very successful informational and psychological deliberate operation, maybe it was a request from the audience itself, what is there, give us watermelons, give us kherson for four days, what did he write there, for example, the deputy of kupiy, who was ridiculed by everyone there? then they began to tell that it is not so simple, not everything is so clear-cut, but the offensive was announced in the kherson region, even officially, and a ban on work journalists primarily concerned the south-buz direction and everyone complained that it

is very difficult for journalists to get there, that only one plus one is allowed there, and the rest are not allowed at all, or on some days they are allowed and so on , that is, a journalist, you went to the kherson region, and everything happened like that, like lightning for the absolute genius of the genius idea of ​​the general staff in kharkiv oblast, on the other hand, it is precisely in this segment of the time war that we saw something that had not happened for a long time, this is the so -called online war, that is, the war ceased to be positional and when the armed forces go on the offensive, when the tactical offensive turns into an operational one, when there is a big vote, the liberation of populated areas, the flags, the meetings with the local population, i have prepared a paladi for you, you will be there, all this works very positively to the

audience, and all this becomes part of this chronicle, but unfortunately, well, not unfortunately, fortunately, of course, we see it only from the smartphones of the fighters themselves, who are very fragmented, so, uh, they shoot and whether you like it or not , these uh, fragments they still get into the network and journalists uh, they compile this entire chronicle already on the basis of uh video and various factual material that comes from the mobilized from the jackets, the so-called from uh, other soldiers who are in contact, if at this time uh- well, we were going with a convoy, so to speak, somewhere. at the end, there are some military correspondents. i think that nothing would have changed. the idea would have remained the same, and we saw it all in the same process, only a little more fully. a little better. well, of course here,

as he said, it is possible to save eh what justified there, the ban is justified because , uh, precisely because there were no previous uh, these, here, sources of information about this attack, it did not become so unexpected, on the other hand, i think that even here it would be possible to take into account this, this, this production, so to talk about the necessity and to connect it with the admission of journalists, well, not to the very front, but before this offensive, so that it would be more fixed. well, hmm, we're going back now, yes, but it's so thin here, sorry, i'm here but it's such a delicate moment er, the russians have this, for example task when the situation is still dangerous enough, when this territory is dangerous enough, they took the path of such a solution, they have military personnel,

we all know all their beautiful faces, there are literally dozens of them flashing around, they are part of the ministry of defense of ukraine, well, that is, they are well, i think they are in general, people who are even on the staff of the ministry of defense of russia are paid, and they go with carts, they follow around there . for us, this is not an option, because i think it is a wrong option, but dmytro, well uh, if it should be some very specially accredited journalists, as you say, how will it be decided that it is not people from military correspondents who are on the staff of the ministry of defense or, in general, the fighters themselves, who are well, we promise, of course, there is no well, there is no suspension, there is no other way to solve

it, because well, i think it’s simple and that way. to do it like the russians also seems wrong. well, of course, there is a certain the problem stems from the fact that ukraine is a democratic state in which there is property freedom of speech even in wartime, which overcomes certain obstacles of wartime, we know that thousands of journalists are now accredited in the ministry of defense, but the truth is that in reality a picture and actually, this is the main product that the viewer sees, anyway, a small number of professional journalists who know how to do it, who know the entrances and exits, who have contacts, who know that something will happen here right now. they know komrigiv. they know certain sources of information, and in the case of some

journalists, they do it even despite the opposition of the higher command or the higher political leadership, who are trying to hinder them a little, anyway, their own charisma plays a role here, their own connections, this is the first direction and the second direction we very often have an advantage for some reason in the western e-e media, large western publications e that work with our fixers, they sometimes get a little more access there and thanks to e-e their reputation and e-e wide audience they have a little more opportunities to access various sources of information and make some more generalized conclusions and reports, but in both cases, in my opinion, the main role is played by the professionalism of the ukrainian military or journalists or

foreign journalists if you just want to get into the war and something you probably won't be able to shoot it, you have to work for uh, actually in uh, well, you need to have connections for a long time, you need to have connections, well , in the end, you have to live this army military life, and then the result will actually come, and it will be in uh your audience reflects well, those people who have been working for a long time because the purpose was to hide and make a hidden movement of combat units even well, imagine that there are acquaintances, as you say , who know some combatants, they see that suddenly this unit is being removed, moving somewhere, well, where is the guarantee that this is not even a journalist, the operator does not care about anyone and it will not be leaked somewhere. that is

, well, i know after the fact how it happened, i understand that this is the only way to do it, and there is no way , that is, that even if some were misinformed part and didn't tell them where they were really going . they were sure of a completely different destination. well, what can we say about journalists who can really accidentally just call the editorial office there and say that i'm moving there and that's it, and it will become known, that's it, but i have a question to otar e p otar, look at this situation, well, this is a local restriction, but there are situations of restrictions on broadcasting, well , it is wider. well, the same our channel, which is not allowed to speak on the network, well, t2, which is simply free , which people are able to catch, this telethon is limited well, what? what should we do with this so that it does not become such a constant practice and that it does not become a

habit ? this is more of a question. we see that nothing can be done about this, because all the arguments about what, what about the situation with your channel with only two channels and all absolutely rational arguments that there is no reason for such a restriction and end up with some crazy casuistry, yes, the only thing what now you can talk about what you can do, it’s about talking out loud about what you can’t do, unsubstantiated restrictions and unsubstantiated demands. he will clearly explain why, for example, to turn off the channels or to ban some political force on the air, or, i don’t know, to let some pr of the president’s office on the air,

as is happening in the general marathon, this is for the benefit of victory and why the violation journalistic standards are needed for victory well, as a rule, they refuse to say anything and, uh, they just hope that in wartime conditions, they won't get anything for it, in principle, then by and large , they won't get anything for it, because if at the end of it all there will be a victory, no one will remember it, and if something bad happens, it will also be bad for everyone. well, we need to fight for every centimeter of our freedom with the methods that we have at hand, and also look for other ways, as in principle, you do to report er, the truth is audiences even under conditions of restrictions and, among other things, how do military journalists who, hmm, in one

way or another obtain information from the front, try to double-check it and submit it to their audiences even in a situation when they are not allowed to travel with a military man, well, our time is over i believe that the main thing is not to confuse what is necessary now and not to transfer it later to the practice of peacetime and not to think that this is all the norm. trainer, well, we'll meet later, well, look at espresso, if you have an allergy, the drug cetrin will help to free your breath and get rid of itching in the eyes and tearing - cetrin specifically blocks histamine receptors and usually begins to protect against allergies

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