no, it won’t be decided, it won’t be decided for many years. also, there is, so to speak, in this situation, it is hardly possible to count on this government, gasoline, actually, a key player, so to speak , a key player, the oligarch who is the owner of this government, some changes, although he is under pressure and hmm he also began to feel the united states of america on his side and this is a good signal, but as long as this government exists, we can hardly expect any changes in georgian politics. at the same time, what's going on say georgia ah hmm has an injury a very serious injury in the eighth year and the majority of georgians. i mean the communities are not

ready to fight with the russians, this also needs to be taken into account and it is clear that we would like to see more decisive steps from the georgian government, but here we can say for sure that in the vast majority of those georgian people support absolutely support the ukrainians and there are a lot of georgians fighting on the side of ukraine and i think that the circumstances of the war and the circumstances of the ukrainian victory will be such that they do not interfere in the internal affairs of georgia, i will say that will have a fruitful effect on the social uh, on the character, i would say on the feelings and uh, victory within the georgian people, well, thank you, mr. igor, in the end, we just wanted to

ask about uh, um, strange gesture or not strange on the part of israel, because israel, from israel, through poland, ukraine received a counter- drone system, and hmm, in israel, they declared such a refusal to sell modern weapons to ukraine. a good term is just like i say that the israeli political elite is too er hmm tied to the ideas that the russian federation is such a very important component of er politics in the middle east. i think that it is necessary to gradually abandon it well, but for now this the process continues in a complicated way, so we will see such

complicated israeli gestures, ugh, they are somehow related to our successes, er, the successes of our army, the version is a little crazy, that's just because information appeared, rumors that iran transferred its martyrs with stolen technologies, that is -is israel has decided to land these martyrs as soon as possible. well, i mean the eyes of the third party, although the ukrainian side does not officially recognize it yet, only you are one of the versions that these are the martyrs, because the appearance of the martyrs will officially bring with it a lot of there are serious problems in israeli relations, so we have to be careful here, at least for now. thank you very much, mr. igor. igor from seven voices was with us . cannot be

to perform their functions as pseudo-peacekeepers and in the existing karabas a odkb that’s how it should be called i don’t know the organization of something there security k well some there k b but it also did not turn out to be very effective and activity so only in nato ukraine wants nato nato nato we need nato e- we are joined by ivan, the chief consultant of the institute of strategic studies and candidate of economic sciences, let's talk a little about mr. ivan's economy. good day. greetings from the studio. greetings to the audience, mr. ivan. we have a falling economy. in the second quarter it accelerated, it was 37%, it is estimated that it will be 33, i read it on bloomberg, the historian ferguson already mentioned it today, he writes about the fact that ukraine is winning on the battlefield but losing in the economy, and shmygal actually says that

we need 5 billion this is not a new number, but i understand that those five billion are not there. only 40% of unemployment tax revenues are covered. to compare with what was experienced under the time of the great depression, for example, the united states. and is there still a chance to reduce this gap of 40% a little, without this 5 billion is implemented in order to reduce it, so that the economy is more stable, first of all, ukraine now still needs to continue the implementation of the grain initiative that was signed in istanbul because the actual export of grain is our main product, which we supply to foreign countries and at the expense of which we receive currency and countries. i think that in 2021, ukraine

exported grain worth 12.4 billion us dollars that is, this is a fairly significant amount for ukraine, that is, if we look at the export structure of ukraine, it is primarily grain, then metals, that is, goods. will still buy chips, that is, a play on words , nevertheless, a demonstration of the fact that if you produce something, it is already good and, well, they can buy it here anyway by selling what you do. that is, really now for it is very important for the economy of ukraine to return to normal functioning as much as possible. and as for unemployment , you know, we still need to look at where exactly this unemployment is and whether it is by chance that it is not caused by the fact that people simply left and there are no people, but it is no longer

unemployment, it is already the other component is simply the lack of labor, that is, there is a demand for labor, but there are no physical people. and here it is desirable, after all, er, i understand that everyone has their own thoughts about whether to return or not, but still to send messages to those of our citizens who left that it is not so scary in ukraine after all and it is possible to return a little bit as many did, by the way , that is, yes, people left at the beginning of the war, but now it has been quite a long time, several months we have a positive for ukraine the tendency of people returning when more people return than leave ukraine is absolutely a plus. that's how the economy will recover little by little, that is, i understood that it will not be fast in the conditions of war. but nevertheless, even the figures of the fall that he says cabinet minister we are sorry for this by 50%. yes, that is, there have been in history. let's say that the world's

economies have fallen much deeper than now in ukraine, an example is turkey where, according to various estimates, inflation is 80%. and there is practically none there , at least no one is attacking turkey, and in fact here again what we saw eh we saw these missile strikes on e thermal power plants and how dangerous such strikes can be during the winter period that we we can contrast it with how destructive it can be you know the economy, literally today i had a conversation about the fact that it is possible to oppose that this is indeed a terrorist act, clearly aimed at undermining the country's economy, specific heat generation

, that is, during the winter, it is very dangerous. still forbids ukraine to use its weapons to strike the territory of the russian federation and i will remind you that far from everyone, at least personally, had experience of communicating with by mr. kurt volker, the former representative of the united states to ukraine on june 1 of this year, he stated that he does not see a problem in ukraine using the weapons provided to it to strike at the russian federation . ukraine should hint to russia that in the event of a repetition of such a situation, a corresponding blow will be delivered to the field from the same stations on the territory of russia, and that the main thing is that we have weapons for this, that is, russia understands that since we have already have shown that we can deliver certain objects to

someone, then it is quite possible that we can do it on the territory of russia and then russia will think twice before repeating similar acts because russia thinks that it will not get anything for it and if they know what will happen? and if a friend let's say it's not warm and consulting on some military base ukraine will be able to fire at a military base that is so far from moscow, i think there will be much less desire to hit ukraine, especially if such an object is fuel, i'll ask now still a question since we see that the 60% lack of revenue to the state budget is partially covered simply by the national bank, that is, to put it very simply, the national bank is covered somewhere by printing hryvnias, just a gap in the deficit, and against the background

of all this, we also have a poor actual balance of the foreign trade balance. that is, we import a lot and export very little. this is obvious, for sure, if i understand correctly, this creates excessive pressure on the hryvnia exchange rate . how dangerous is the situation, what should be done? in particular, probably in order to equalize the balance. look at the situation we have for the first half of the year. there were two negative balances, if i'm not mistaken, and 6 billion us dollars, but as i mentioned before, the basis of our exports is grain. the export of grain began from august 1, that is, here you already have to look at the data for august, a month ago, because this site will start to improve. why? because we had practically no exports. well, it was but insignificant, and at the same time, imports are not surprising. and

as soon as there are data on exports, what grains which significantly began on the first of august, and the volumes there are very impressive, that is, in fact, now ukraine is returning everything that it has not been able to export since february 24. that is, this is the so-called deferred demand, there is such a term in this case, deferred export , that is, ukraine will now receive funds, and thanks to that, i think that the balance will improve, i won't say that it will reach or there will be a minus of a billion, but at least it will not fall below the six points that we should have had for the first half of the year, and maybe we will be able to preserve this amount in in the region of 2 billion dollars, that is, you understand that it is better to find a positive than a negative, but in these conditions i think it is better to stop at minus two and that's it. what is some kind of fiscal policy? i

mean there are additional taxes and so on for imports. can it be is it effective or what are the dangers of the dangers in the fact that, look , any tax actually has a negative effect on the business activity itself, that is, i especially do not count on taxes in the sense that they can lead to, on the contrary, to a decrease of business activity, and before that we just said that unemployment is a problem and we need to give signals to businesses to open up, work, and pay money to people, and then we will have such problems of unemployment if we raise taxes, on the contrary, there will be a place to stimulate the return of enterprises to the previous activity, which in turn will push unemployment, that is, in my opinion, it is more important that people work and receive funds than , let's say, suppress business with some

taxes or the same import, well, definitely certain taxes can be introduced, but so that they are not, let's say , dragons. because sometimes, unfortunately, when i hear statements from representatives of our financial and economic bloc that let's increase substantial taxes there, it really scares me, because with such statements, they rather repel the wishes of those business circles that despite the war, they want to work and want to make investments and open some new businesses, and we understand that, unfortunately, it is very difficult for us to invest, especially abroad. to be honest, apart from the desire of the turkish side to open a plant in ukraine i did not hear an application for the production of baryachtars, that there will be something in ukraine, but also with regard to our, hmm , conditional labor migration, in fact, the problem of displaced persons, forcibly displaced persons who went abroad, the number is said to be about 7 million

, for example, even 8 million, and we understand that many of they will still remain until the end of this year, maybe next year there will be uh. are these people, what are they? we can also consider them as a certain potential. have been the largest investors with dollars in the economy and the euro and the economy of ukraine for many, many years, can we expect that these people will invest in the country? are these bad hopes , you know, just two days ago i returned from a business trip to turkey, they had certain meetings in ankara and this is what i thought, that to a large extent, turkey began to rise economically precisely thanks to its migrants who worked in germany, who gained certain knowledge there, who earned money there and sent these funds back to turkey.

in fact, this allowed this country to achieve some success, so now the economy is the best for me, nevertheless, i believe that the fact that turkey has grown economically in a certain period of time is precisely related to the fact that the situation for ukraine is illogical. because our migrants who are in europe if they will not sever contacts with ukraine, they had money to return here, plus an important point about which for some reason very little is said in our country, for example, there are data that 40% of our citizens immediately found work in poland, what does this say about the mental ukraine that of the european union is already ready precisely in the context that people organically enter european countries and organically find jobs for themselves. that is, this is a clear message to the eu institutions that you see, it is not a problem for us to work with you. that is, we are already ready for the eu, that is, yes. we need investments we need, well, first of all, the free to win but nevertheless we are ready and i believe that these

people will not all return, but they will return because you know there is a good saying where one was born there one was born and they will return from knowledge with money, which, by the way, they would not be able to earn now in ukraine, but they earned in the west, and this will also support our economy, and plus , we do not forget that there are still certain plans and reconstruction of ukraine, mushrooms for ukraine, which were presented by the european commission on may 18, that is this will make ukraine a very promising country in the future and it will stimulate the attraction of investments after the end of the war, which means that at least, as they say, there will be no darkness after the war, after the war there will be revival and this the main signal that ukraine is sending now is that people's deputy yaroslav zhyly snek, by the way, announced that today at the meeting of the cabinet of ministers it is expected that the draft state budget for 2023 will be approved . have you suddenly even seen what is in

this draft ? what should happen unfortunately, i did not see the project in accordance with the current legislation of ukraine on september 15, the cabinet of ministers is obliged to submit the first adaptation of the budget, then i need to work in the verkhovna rada for two months, somewhere on the 15th. if i don't i'm wrong, there should already be a final version in november and it should be voted on by december 15, that is, unfortunately, we don't have the numbers yet, but from the conversations i had, let's say, with representatives of the financial department, i understand that the main emphasis will still be on the defense and the military and all other sectors will be affected a little bit, how little, here we will see first of all the editorial office and also according to the following discussion, because it is unlikely that there will be a decision on the budget before december 15, you know, i will remind you earlier in

in general, as they say, the budget was adopted under the christmas tree, well, in recent years, maybe it was a little earlier, nevertheless, december 115 is unlikely. and at the same time saving certain costs in another area so that the country let's say continues to work like this, but unfortunately, answering your question unfortunately, i haven't seen the tractor yet, we'll all see it soon i think this project is ivan in z the chief consultant of the institute and researches, candidate of economic sciences, joined us. thank you for the conversation, and now we will talk a little about the psychological problems that arise as a result of and during the war, as well as how we, as peaceful civilians, accept those people who are

now defending our country and returning from frontline and trying to return to a peaceful life larisa voloshina journalist psychologist - volunteer and human rights defender contact us ms. larisa good day to you greetings good day friends for at the beginning, you know what i wanted to ask, i don’t know, i don’t know if it’s true, but according to my observations and the observations of my friends, the phrase like you, why did this happen, actually disappeared from our communication a new categorical apparatus. for example, we are, um , we are careful in our conversation with each other, and this phrase , how do you apply it to the military at the front, but it is no longer applied to civilians

living in free territories, because how come it's great that we don't complain, we're more worried about those who are in evacuation or in combat, but the question is, how are you in the military? it can sound or it can't sound or how to ask it correctly . or how to ease what she went through well, the fact is that military questions, how are you, it usually involves an answer of an eye or a plus, which means i'm alive. we can't ask a person if you're alive there, so we ask how you are, and the person answers an eye, which refers to the immoral state military personnel who are on the front lines, of course, because it is worth discussing with them. they must

understand that they can find support in their relatives and friends, they can talk about anything, it is very important, for example, here are my practices. i work with several military personnel who , when they are on the front line, realize that there are things that they cannot share with their wife , mother, or child because these are emotional things and will scare their loved ones, for example, their experiences or reflections, and there are things that they cannot at the same time to share with your brothers and sisters because um, this is not the place for such very life-saving e-es, so hmm, we have to understand. if you want to take care of your loved ones who are on the front and you hear from them that

they are not sleeping well or they have anxiety or you can see from their mood that they are in some kind of sad state, it is better. carefully offer them a conversation and the help of a specialist, because at the moment in ukraine, a huge amount of such help is just the other day, the data of the ministry of defense was published health, which appealed to the citizens due to the fact that there may be problems in the psyche of many ukrainians , and therefore ukrainians should understand as symptoms which of them can occur up to, for example, hallucinations, if you remember, many of us thought that we were hearing sirens, although there are no such sirens or sleep disorders or mood swings, and the ministry of health also urges citizens, especially those who are under occupation or on the front line, to seek help

, because unlike in the 14th year, we have a psychological service in the country now is enough strong, you already said about the psychological service for help and you also said that the soldiers cannot always tell their relatives what they saw there or what they are going through just now after what they saw, if you remember, when there is about may 8. so, when there is a day of remembrance and reconciliation, people write about their grandfathers who took part in the second world war, they often write my grandfather did not like to tell stories about the war, this is probably from the same series so where should the soldiers turn to do you open to the fighter? to turn to uh to get this help and to eventually speak out and scare your relatives

uh to help yourself and help yourself to return to a peaceful life the first thing you should do if you feel that something is wrong you should go to your doctor will refer you to the medical service to the hospitals in it is quite possible that you will be advised, er, you will undergo a consultation with a psychiatrist and he can prescribe you certain drugs or sleeping pills or sedatives, and if necessary, of course, you may even be hospitalized there is nothing wrong with him when a person, especially after the horrors of what he experienced, he will receive treatment for a few weeks, receive the necessary pills, injections and then return to an extraordinary life, first of all, what should we do? we should not be afraid, military ladies, nor should civilians be afraid to declare about the fact that i feel bad

psychologically in me, for example, i hear god, i hear sounds that are not there, or i feel, for example, uh, on my skin, that something is crawling there, but there is no insect , that is, such kinesthetic or sound dynamics schedule somewhere, well, explosions of aggression, unexpected depressions for which there is no reason. well, more or less everything is normal, but the person misses very much or , moreover, avoids communication with his brothers , his loved ones, on the sidelines, with the fighters who are directly located . second line that is, where there is time and opportunity to communicate and maybe it will be a veterinary medicine as i already explained, the culture of visiting psychologists in ukraine is quite low . you said the word psychiatrist. i think that people in general

when they hear the word psychiatrist, their eyes roll up on their foreheads , it's scary that i recognized you as mentally ill. and no, nothing will happen to you and will not work out like people do. if the fighter himself doesn't want to, because he 's afraid that he won't be recognized as mentally ill, he doesn't want to turn to a psychologist or does not want to go to a doctor to turn to a doctor and say that something is wrong with him. how is it possible for his relatives to somehow help him take that step, because it is clear that until the person himself does not agree to this, no one will agree to this for him will not do and has no right well, first of all, what are we we have to understand that psychiatrists in most of these combat conditions are now not a matter of psychiatric diagnosis. we are not talking about, for example, psychopathy with crows or schizophrenia, we are talking about such things as panic attacks or sleep disorders or depressive

states - these are all manifestations, this is all the reaction of a healthy of a normal psyche to abnormal circumstances, this is what we are talking about, even tsn is a disease that erases a person from life, so the first thing you should understand is that this appeal will not be reflected in your further work, career. this secondly, when we say that we are afraid to turn to a psychiatrist or a psychologist on friends on the track, i already have a fear to turn to the truth, although it is not surprising, therefore, in this case there is nothing wrong if a person feeling in himself well, some troubles ideas does he take medicine or undergo this or that? there is such a non-invasive treatment. yes, we go to physiotherapists. we do gymnastics. we take medicine. we take,

for example, vitamins. for example, with seasonal depression associated with the lack of vitamins, you have cancer of vitamins, then why not help your psyche to get out of a situation that is connected with the abnormal circumstances in which a person found himself first and foremost, no one will hang a psychiatric diagnosis on you if if in you were diagnosed, in principle, at the age of 20. well, at most 30, you stood up noticeably, all of us here would already be an old question, not your wish, but in principle, you would have already ended up in a psychiatric hospital a year ago, if you are afraid that you have something, don't be afraid, don't be afraid and in the end, when we have a toothache we are not afraid to go to the dentist well, who is and who is afraid then has an artificial jaw, which is not very convenient . thank you, mrs. larisa, for the conversation, everything is inconvenient.

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