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ukraine 6,000 m² of territory since the beginning of september, against the background of the advance of the ukrainian military in slobozhanshchyna and donbas, the russian army sent shelling of kharkov, there were massive strikes on the city center and energy infrastructure, at the same time, the russian occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine in general as of the morning of september 13 russia lost 53,300 people in ukraine in just the last day, the armed forces of ukraine eliminated 350 invaders with the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost 2,175 tanks and 4,662 fighters in ukraine armored vehicles 127 and artillery systems 311 rocket systems of salvo fire 165 air defense means 244 airplanes 213 helicopters 3469 units of automotive equipment 15

ships boats - 233 cruise missiles 904 drones 117 units of special equipment the enemy suffered the greatest losses in the kharkiv and donetsk directions putin's defeat in ukraine lavrov visa-free to the united states of america, the eu does not want to see russian tourists, we will talk about this within the next hour, contact us volodymyr yelchenko, ukrainian diplomat, permanent representative of ukraine to the united nations in 2015-2019, and extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2020-2021, volodymyr good day, good health to you, glad you joined the broadcast glory to ukraine glory to heroes let's start our conversation, mr. volodymyr, with the results, 200 days have passed since the beginning of the great war in russia against ukraine

, on the air we often talk about how these 200 days changed ukraine and all of us, and how during this time has the world changed and are these changes that have already taken place in the world enough to oppose those who are trying to fight against civilization? i think that the world has changed very much on the one hand, it seems to me that the apartment security system that existed even before at the beginning of this year and were based on its charter, today this system no longer works as it should. and secondly, you know, sympathies for ukraine have grown radically. can overcome russia, we all remember how we

were given two days, four days, two weeks, and so on, everyone remembers it well and knows it, but we not only held our own, but also began to beat the russians very seriously, in fact, it was from the first day but now we are already talking about a very serious offensive fund and this cannot be ignored in the world and i think it is very important in the context of er and new sanctions packages against russia and in the context of er new arms supplies because er you know the number of skeptics decreased a lot, we understand that on there were many politicians in the west, i won’t name the countries, they are all well-known who believed that it would be better not to touch russia so painfully, that it would be necessary to make concessions in some way, that dialogues with putin should be continued, and that it was even possible that ukraine should cede part of its territories, well, that was rejected right away and it is very good today no

one is talking about it anymore remember that six months ago i am not talking about a year ago there 5 years ago no one even mentioned that well let's say it is possible to free crimea from the military path everyone said, well, the classic way, that it will take a certain amount of time, that you have to negotiate, that this issue is out of time, and they gave the example of the baltic countries, which were under occupation for more than 50 years, and said that with crimea, maybe something similar will happen. we have to wait. there for several decades , and then, well, somehow something there is destroyed, it changes the power in russia, and so on, today they are already talking quite openly about the fact that crimea can be liberated with the armed forces of ukraine with the help of western weapons, well, it is clear that it is

in the first line of our armed forces, our command of president zelensky, and we should talk about it, but this confidence in the world in what ukraine can do adds optimism to us and to our allies and friends, mr. volodymyr, do you agree with the statement that there is now a war between -e democratic countries, not even between e-e ukraine and russia or russia and ukraine, but between two countries , that is, one world that wants to develop in a democratic way, well conventionally called civilization between an authoritarian world that can be conventionally called horde world, yes, i agree. i just added to this that there is also a third world. these are the countries that, well, they sit and watch what

will happen next. and that is why i emphasize the importance of our success on the fronts because in this third world, and among them there are such countries as the same china as india as brazil. that is, these are not open sympathizers of russia, but these are countries that would like it to somehow end like this without them in some kind of peace and well, by and large , they are all the same, whether ukraine will give way will this one be conceded? the main thing is that it ends as soon as possible. and there are still many countries in africa, latin america and southeast asia that are generally far from the body of the conflict from russian aggression and they are waiting. now they have begun to see that something went wrong in russia and more and more in these countries. i think he will turn to politicians who will eventually come over to the side of ukraine and maybe

even help us with a military agreement. organizations of the united nations during the last month. in particular, we saw how the united nations or the un security council tried to use russia in the situations around the zaporizhzhia npp when they went there with heavy equipment, then there was a mission of the mgateka that came to the zaporizhia npp in energodar, we see how russia is methodically trying to use this high platform, the highest platform in the world, and whether there was or is there any certain way to avoid manipulation by the russians in the organization of the united nations, and in what way to do so that the highest tribune in the world does not turn into the russians

using it for propaganda for their er their interpretation of what is happening in ukraine in favor of the kremlin, unfortunately for certain, including them , for the promotion of their people er, we are fine we understand how it's all done, er, the speech is cut in the middle of the pensions, it is shown on russian television, or there is a copy-show. well , it is presented as er, well, everything there, how it happened , that is, the standards that are heard from western delegations and even from non-western ones are not given because, for example, what can we say about any discussion in the un security council, if um, well, at the beginning of this active phase of the war, some countries such as the same india as brazil, which, by the way, are members of the security council, mexico are also there uh, in today's composition, they uh, well, so to speak, they kept silent

, that is, they didn't say anything, they used this phrase so traditionally that they slandered the integrity of ukraine, hmmm, but they didn't even name russia as the cause, as the culprit, these he didn't even dare to call her an aggressor today these countries are already much more frank in what they say, they are already starting directly well, if not to blame russia, then to name this country as the cause and source of all the problems that have arisen, and in the first place this was manifested precisely during the discussion about the situation at the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant no, but another example is one of the last security ambush dates that russia flashed with such a strange name, like the problem of the supply of western weapons in ukraine, or they say it only fuels the conflict, it drags it out, and they

used i think for two purposes eh first eh there there was such a thesis that by refusing these supplies of weapons they will lead to his to her someone slipping weapons around the world in africa eh in the middle east it will fall into the forks of terrorists and this will create even more danger, i.e., this is such a clear intention to pull on its side those countries that can, uh, dnipropetrovsk from this stand, and the second is what they say, if it weren't for the supply of weapons, the russians would have been long ago, all of you at the table negotiations with the ukrainians and about something else agreed, but it did not work once again , that is,

it is not worth commenting on the speeches of the american or british delegation here, it is clear that they fully support and they destroyed all the russian arguments, but those countries that i named and others there, the same african countries, such as gabon gypsy which before, as i said , they refused and now they simply said that well , the question is clear, but the problem is not in this, but the problem is that russia started and the conflict, that is, so gently and gradually they are already starting to call russia by their names. nevertheless, in its modern form, the security council is of course completely impotent, well, at least in the ukrainian issue. everything has frozen and, first of all, 99% of the time in russia there is the right of introduction, which

it either uses or constantly threatens that it will hang around there and block any resolution that will not meet its interests. well, what interests do we have in russia? but these six months the last ones watch tv completely, the way is to reform the un as a whole and, first of all, to the dangers of the un, but it is a very difficult path and no, i do not think that we will see the result quickly, however, there are statements by the united states of america that this country will suffer in the lady, in addition to this, the executive there said that the american signa is ready to start a serious discussion on the phone to submit security earlier. they did not say that, it is clear that this will not lead to the cancellation of the veto right, which is also held by the americans and four other countries besides russia the so-called the five nuclear but nevertheless, hmm well, at least for example the fact that the americans have started singing the resolution and the assembly that was recently

proposed by liechtenstein, the essence of the resolution is that if any country or any countries more than one apply the right to strike the council of security well, they must explain the motives of such a vote in the un general assembly, it is clear that it is not repealing the right-wing vyta, but it complicates things , let's say yes, well, this mechanism, is it an institute? do you know this reform of the security council, they are talking about it it's been years since the trinity of the organization of the united nations and nothing special has happened yet, there were some cosmetic procedures there, no, but they didn't change much, but one way or another, well, even this war, in principle, you know, it makes more and more bystanders that something must be done, otherwise ion will eventually turn into a type of league of nations, and we all know the fate of the league of nations. it

simply died or was dispersed, and due to its complete inability to solve any political problems, i wanted to remember the year 46 when it stopped activities of the league of nations and in the 45th year, the un emerged as an organization when the united states of america did not join the league of nations in principle. this organization existed there for 26 years, if i am not mistaken, and this is how the un actually arose so after uh this great russian-ukrainian war, because it is the biggest continental war since the second world war with the biggest victims and the most brazen violation of international law, won't some new organization emerge against this background, well, a prototype there the league of nations or the united nations, but already in a different form, in which

there will not be so many rights in the russian federation , in which it inherited from the soviet union , meaning membership in the soviet union, we talked about this in the last program, about how they did in the 91st year they wrote a letter to the un and said that they were the successors of the soviet union and actually took the place of the soviet union, although procedurally, russia still had to go through this path of joining the security council, and well, all the procedural points, is it possible for a new state or will there be a third international organization already ? will arise after this great war between russia and ukraine, because it is not only a war between russia and ukraine, we will return again to a war of civilizations and hordes, and it affects the interests of not only two countries, just a few months ago, until today, it is already becoming

more and more. if unreal, it is much closer to reality. i once said such a phrase for which i was heavily criticized in ukraine and outside of ukraine that in order to deform the united nations, the third world war is needed. there can be no such forecast, but in fact, this war is already happening. it's just not like how we imagined it. we thought it would be something like this, but how the other fights back and just what, god forbid with tied weapons, but uh, well, it's possible on a hybrid maybe it is really different, but in fact, if it is not yet a world war, then it is already a european or a civilizational war, as they said it correctly there. i completely agree, so let's see

the result. at least it will come out very much er so weakened and it will no longer be the russia we knew and know. even today and then anything can happen and it really can either reform the security council or something will be done with the right at the top, you know there are many proposals there collective right of veto that is, when we say more than one country against something, it is already not a hundred percent guarantee that everything will work, but it is better than having only russia's veto, which blocks everything and everything, there are other options for increasing membership. i am a non-partisan that's because imagine if the security council can't make a decision with 15 countries, will it

be easier to make their decision if there are 20 or 21 or 25? i think it will be more difficult, on the other hand there are countries like germany japan the same as india and beautiful countries, which in principle well, in the past 70 years, they have also become, well, over the states almost, i would say they also have claims for permanent membership, they were not such countries 70 years ago or more than 70, but today they are not like that. so you have to look at the interests of others regions, well, these four countries represent regions that are far from europe, but they also have their own problems, there are many of them, and someone has to solve them. it is clear to us. hmm, the main thing is ukraine - this is the war, but there are many other warriors in the

world from whom we are so already far away as those countries are far from our war, this should also be kept in mind and maybe a textbook and maybe by creating some other new organization, although you know some politicians like to repeat phrases that belong to eh if they are not mistaken in one of former american presidents who said that if we didn't have a un today, or if it was mobile , then tomorrow we would have to create it again. well, it is possible to create it under a different name, you understand, well, the un charter begins with the fact that the security council must solve problems of peace and security in the world today, security issues cannot be solved with all due respect to such problems as global warming, climate change,

terrorism, economic decline, and many, many other things, but he cannot deal only with these problems, in the end, there are still many specialized institutions that deal with this, how can you nuclear energy, unesco, issues of culture and education, and so on, and so on, and yet the un is the core of the un, it is the un security council, if it is unable to work effectively, it means something in our house is not like that and we need to change something, we’ll see by the way, uh, today just starts the next session, next special one. it opens uh, and the session starts already uh, well, high-level discussions will begin in a week, and surely all these questions will be heard there. i think that and the ukrainian delegation, whoever heads it, should also express their vision, including those issues that you are raising right now. it will be very interesting

. listen to this, because in the end it will be the first such a big session of the general assembly . after the start of a large-scale war, it will not be the same as it was in september of last year, by the way, you already know that lavrov was not given an american visa in order for him to come to the un general assembly, what did lavrov say, we will hear now, i told my colleagues that they do not need more he will remind the american of his obligation here of the secretary general, he is responsible for ensuring the participation of all directorates in the events, of course, it includes the day of the general assembly, so let's see. well, for now , lavrov is waiting for a visa to the united states of america to fly to the un general assembly

again russia is speaking against the background of our counterattack in the kharkiv region, as well as in the south in the kherson region, russia is again saying that we are not against sitting down at the negotiating table with the ukrainian state, but these negotiations should be on our terms that we should not do everything to now we have agreed on something because it will be much more difficult to agree on it in the future what did president zelenskyy say about this we can hear the feeling in my heart we have relations with non-terrorists even terrorists can communicate because they know what they want they they say i will let go of this plane, i need money, i will let people go, give me money and a plane, there is no certainty that they will tell you that they will do it, i believe that they will not, no one believes, as they say, there are no handshakes

comrades, he is such a person for what they did and not even for that. and in what format did he kill, not according to the rules of war , and now he was killed. and he went to a peaceful person, raped, tortured and killed him . that this is not even a terrorist, that is, a terrorist who does not know what they want and is ready to give an ultimatum, that is why they must first come to a different status, become just an enemy so that we can open a diplomatic corridor with them, move away from our territories by the time they become terrorists, they must withdraw, withdraw by this point, they must show the political will that they are ready

to give back someone else's land, then we can talk about at least some corridors that open certain diplomatic steps, the deputy head of the security council of the russian federation, medvedev, says that this year's ultimatum is a children's warm-up before he knows the demands of the future, the total capitulation of the kyiv regime under the conditions of russia, and again we will hear from lavrov what he thinks about these negotiations as the president, what are we against we do not refuse negotiations, but those who refuse must understand that the further they drag out this process, the more difficult it will be to negotiate . we have our own conditions, and they actively support mine, even on

takaya, there is london, washington, brussels, so if this is their choice, then we know how we can achieve the goals that were set by the president in the framework of special military operation, volodymyr, i have a question for you as an experienced diplomat, a person who has represented ukraine at international forums, international organizations, do you see any prerequisites, how and when russia and ukraine can sit down at the negotiating table, and what could be the subject of these negotiations. to be honest, i do not see such conditions at the moment. i carefully listened to what mr. lavrov said, and you know, i wanted to return for a moment to the issue of the american visa, and he is not going to do anything with it.

assembly to tell this nonsense but i can't say anything and who will be the word and by the way to close the budget uh this topic with visas uh of course i don't want to advise our american partner, they know perfectly well how to do it all themselves but there are such examples of how the americans give visas to delegations of, for example, cuba or iran, then the movement of diplomats of these countries, including the minister of foreign affairs or even presidents or the rights of the ministry, is limited to the house of the permanent representation of cuba and response stamps and one street or two there are three beehives and one let's say so the route if deviated you violated the rules of staying in new york and the united states of america this is already a violation of the law oh i think what if the laurel visa is given to oh

or to others a member of the delegation. it would be possible to restrict their movement like this. it will look very cynical, but it will be beautiful and it will be such a psychological blow , you know, even more than just giving a visa. that's how you are the rostrum of the general assembly will not listen attentively. and you know, as a rule, such a visit of high-ranking guests to new york is used not only to speak somewhere in the security council or not, they are not particularly happy. and also spend a dozen or two dozen to 100 days to solve some important bilateral issues, so i have a question . and who can i meet there? well,

maybe in general. yes, with north korea, but north korea also won’t give visas. so , there is the moscow region, you can go there. sit and i feel great, why go to new york before that? by the way, there was information that russia, belarus, and nemana were not invited to the funeral of queen elizabeth ii of great britain. airan will be represented only at the level of an ambassador. well, this is also a certain signal and a sign. that the world does not want to see the representatives of these states, well, the high representatives are meant to mean that we constantly talk about sanctions against russia, we talk about how we limit the access of russian capital to the ukrainian market, we see these sanctions lists with representatives of russian politics and russian business, but it is beyond our attention, or perhaps i did

not see it, but belarus and its current leadership, that is, of this state and the self-proclaimed president lukashenko, and we have diplomatic relations with belarus, and foreign economic activity we conduct from this state, although this the state acted as a springboard for the attack of the russian federation on ukraine, in what way can this be corrected, volodymyr, and is it not too late, well, it is difficult for me to judge here, you know regarding the breaking of diplomatic relations with belarus is a painful issue well, the fact is that you know belarus, it is not only lukashenko, but you are right after the territory of this country actually became a plasma for aggression against ukraine well, there are no more questions well, there are none, but you know lukashenko