of course, a serious shelling and a strike on critical infrastructure on critical infrastructure objects , but not genocide, genocide is , after all, such a purposeful destruction of people where the count goes from tens to hundreds of thousands. i'm talking about something else now. i'm more interested in the fact that russia has actually lost its nerve and to strike such a blow is not only a demonstration of russia's own weakness, their propagandists are writing about the fact that it allegedly struck in response to the shelling of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant by ukrainians i will remind you that the zaporizhia npp was disconnected from the power supply by the troops yesterday and, accordingly, there is gradually talk of shutting it down, that is, in order not to cause

some kind of focusim scenario in russia , the nerves simply could not stand it and it struck critical infrastructure objects, which would be more logical when the temperature was closer to zero, you understand, ukraine, thanks to the successes of our military in the kharkiv region, received a certain handicap of a certain form in coming up with e-e and working out the possibilities of reserve energy supply i.e. find some weak points and understand how to counter it better. that is all for today's situation, which of course cannot be called good for us, because these are blows that cause serious danger to and for people and, well, deprive

a huge number of people of their usual comfort, but uh, ukraine is definitely ready for them, and this is an important fact. and it will still have the opportunity to improve its readiness. i would like to draw attention to the fact that ukraine has now begun to export electricity to the european union, because now we we have a surplus of electricity due to the fact that the consumption of electricity, primarily by industrial enterprises, has fallen, and such opportunities of ukraine are russia due to the decommissioning of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, speculation around it and other actions, she wants to limit these opportunities of ours, including similar ones blows, and this too must be understood and attention must also be paid to. of course, i would like russia to be called a terrorist country, but

let's look at things as realistically as possible this can be done primarily by the united states, the actions of our european partners, our european allies, let's say the baltic countries, poland, they will not have such a global effect. that is, it will be the effect of the support for ukraine that we feel so much during these months. but in order for it to have a global effect, it must be done by the united states, but the united states is not ready for this, what joseph biden said last week. accordingly , we have to leave these realities in order not to create unnecessary illusions. let's move on, the counter-offensive of ukraine, which took place, well, in particular, in the kharkiv region, a lot was retaken in donetsk and some of kharkiv in the

kherson region. there will be some political repercussions from this, it is already there because the world has become convinced that the ukrainian army is capable not only of defending itself but also of liberating its territory, i.e. more than 3,000 m², well, in fact, the settlements in kharkiv oblast are rejected from those the territories that they tried to seize for several months and the ukrainian armed forces they showed their strategic capabilities and tactical training actual self-sacrifice, that is, our military forces do not just go forward, but inflict serious defeats and psychological blows on the enemy that now the thesis that russia

withdrew from kharkiv oblast with gestures of goodwill, i think no one will think to take it seriously, and again the strike on critical infrastructure objects that we have already mentioned is asymmetric answer, but this is also a sign of a century ago, i think that we should look at this as an opportunity to talk about the need to receive even larger new supplies of weapons, that is, on october 1, this lend-lease will begin, in fact, in larger volumes than now ukraine has shown that even limited supplies of modern western weapons weapons give a powerful boost to its defense capability and this is, well, in my opinion, it is a serious plus. i also think the same, mr. yevhen

, now look at the other one, recently, high-ranking guests continue to come to kyiv the last who was the secretary of state of the united states of america, anthony blinken, who brought us the news that washington allocates two or so billions of dollars in aid after him was anna olena berkova, so he was not the last , after him there was anna olena berbek - this is a minister of foreign affairs of germany, a lot of high-ranking guests came to them . please tell me about such visits. now i understand when it was at the beginning. it was very important for us to show what is with us now. they come, how important are these visits? now such visits are of course important for us. because there is no uh-uh in russia the opportunity to say that ukraine is on the periphery of the world's attention, what exactly germany is

more interested in whether russian gas will be supplied via the north stream or not, respectively, i think that it is important and, in principle, this is such a moment. well, i would say iconic, because, in fact, russia's thesis about ukraine as a failed state, which russia has been promoting for several years, is simply crumbling because of these visits and because of russia's behavior now more and more more and more people are analysts in the west. they have the opportunity to say that russia is a file, not ukraine, and accordingly, this demythologizing of russia has a powerful character, and you know, we

will get it. he said that, in fact, the ukrainian language is an image of anti-russianness, you understand this and he is a man with ambitions. well, there the film director is well-known not only in russia, but i would say in europe, in the world , and he says such things that in a civilized they simply cannot be perceived in the world. well, yes, of course, mr. yevhen, it’s a horror. please tell me how you rate the last rammstein rammstein v, which this time took place at the american military base ramstein in germany. how effective was it this time? every such meeting is important because e- new decisions are being made and after rammstein five another decision was made by the

united states that we will get new additional ammunition there eh military armored cars a lot of other things but the meaning is because this coalition already includes more than 50 countries, someone helps materially and technically, like the united states , because the united states is really an arsenal of democracy, and by helping ukraine, they confirm this status of theirs, that they act as an arsenal of democracy for the whole world, and if you want, they are now warming up before the start of the land - there are a number of other countries that, for example , are not part of nato, but also participate in these meetings, they demonstrate that we are ready for concrete actions and we may not always have impressive financial opportunities, but this is the case

when it is worth reminding that ukraine does not have any binding documents that it would be provided with military and technical assistance in the event of an attack on them, and that five meetings have already been held and this partnership is deepening. i think this indicates that the world. the world understands and effectively supports the resistance of ukraine. we will be deceiving ourselves if we think so, but in general well, that is, the procedure itself is unique. i think that we are simply observing in the real world how

significant changes in the world security system are approaching. i think that we are in these situations. well, for example on the sixth rammstein there is no reason to believe that it will not be played ukraine should, in view of yesterday's actions of russia, say that russia should be dismantled peacefully, its armed potential should be dismantled under the pressure of the entire world community which is aware of the danger it carries and what russia is doing by striking the peaceful population. ukraine should maximally convey this information to the whole world, not only to the members of rammstein . people also need to be explained that the destruction of critical infrastructure, the destruction of the ability to heat and

light houses, these are not adequate actions of a country that has nuclear potential and that can pose a threat to its other neighbors, mr. yevhen, i am with you completely in accordance with what you said, but please explain one moment now. what do you mean, what do you mean when you say that russia needs to be dismantled peacefully? the way is most likely after putin, this must also be realized, but i hear that regardless of whether it is inside the russian federation or outside its borders, its representatives are russian oppositionists so that they have no illusions about what they can do badly putin should be replaced by a good one with a different name, and

they understood that the centrifugal tendencies that exist at the moment will be realized and that, for example, the political map of the north caucasus may have a completely different look in the foreseeable future, that tatarstan and bashkortostan also have not just political aspirations, but economic grounds to actually count on its independence, on the fact that kaliningrad can become, er, a rabbit warren, er, as it is called in polish, in polish and belarusian maneuver and become something on an example of an independent city in a certain confederation, e.e., economic cooperation with the baltic states, that’s all that exists for today, if it will

work, then yes, if we talk about it and look for opportunities to implement construction projects, then it will accordingly exist and it will be an action, but if there is an illusion about the fact that russia will remain in its current area in its current capabilities, then after its defeat on the front of the russian-ukrainian war, we will with a high degree of probability meet a very powerful revanchism, and then, by the way, it is far from a fact that ukraine itself will become the object of another attack by russia, there will be other states, russia will look for weaker er-er those whom it can on whom it can show the possibilities of its own revenge, this must also be realized and it is, for example, not about china and about the baltic countries - it is quite possible, despite the fact that they are members of the european union,

they and do you believe, do you personally believe that people who left, for example, from tatarstan or kartostan, e.e. from chechnya, left the border and they are against putin they constantly express their anti-putin position, what exactly can they do abroad , well, at least in the medium term, because i don't even think about the short term, they can do something. i think they can do. i think that there can be a synergy of efforts aimed at er i'll just remind you of george bush sr.'s chicken kiev in august 1991, when he called on ukraine not to break up the soviet union, then the united states didn't want it, they were afraid of losing control over nuclear weapons, tell me, after nuclear blackmail around the zaporizhzhia npp, what should the civilized world be afraid of, well, that is, to expect that russia

will launch, let's say somewhere in a deserted area of ​​the pacific ocean, a nuclear missile and declare that it will be like north korea demonstrating its nuclear potential, and the world will only applaud well, yes, the generals are industrious and zabrodskyi has already indicated his position clearly enough that similar similar things they will not break ukraine's will to resistance they won't break exactly the same way i think our european partners should think too god forbid god forbid that when we look at our european partners, i personally get the impression that there is such heterogeneity, which is now very strongly heated by the representatives of some countries , in particular, the representatives of hungary, but lately, in the last week, there have been so many statements from there about the fact that the european the union is doing it wrong, and the european union is doing it wrong, and

it should not have been done at all and in general, sanctions are needed in the near future, er, they should be canceled in general , because well, they only harm the european union union, not russia and russia, i make money by selling naftogaz and generally live peacefully. that is why we need to somehow find some ways to establish some kind of peace negotiations. please tell me if there is a risk that such isolated cases with individual countries can escalate already after all, during a cold winter, some people call it an arctic winter, for example, the president of serbia, he said that europe can expect an arctic winter, or during a winter after a difficult arctic winter, so these are the trends hungary is very skillfully speculating on the fact that a little more than half a year has passed or not. hasn't it been six months since the elections took place in which the fidesz party

won a constitutional majority again, and viktor orbán relies, so to speak, on his voters according to all the laws of democracy of the genre that he is absolutely well, this is how he works, i would say sensibly and he makes us aware that in the european structures in the eu structures, the prospect of honekzi is here, yes, or the exit of hungary, it gives rise to panicky moods that it will be, you know, a very demonstrative step, but let's not forget about others, as numerous sociological studies have shown, the people of central europe are very satisfied with their integration into the european union, that is, precisely the post-socialist countries poland, hungary, other countries and orban - this should be taken into account, you know, he is playing subtly - in a delicate crisis, and uchichi pursues first of all his own goals, he does not want to

finalize the loss of control with a slant. well, although kosovo is currently not under the control of the serbian authorities, but uchichi must to do everything in order to somehow save face and, accordingly, be a successful president, because, well , anyone who knows the recent history of the balkans understands that what was called the union republic of yugoslavia 30 years ago, what is today serbia is well, so to speak, history is also very a powerful de mythologizing of the largest country in the e-e region but which remained well, i would say sometimes it is in such brilliant isolation and friendship with russia is far from always the only determining factor of this process, it is clear mr. yevhen

thank you, thank you, thank you for participating in today's program, i will remind our viewers. this was evgeny magda, director of the institute of world politics. mykola polosov , a lawyer, is ready to join me. mykola, good day, hello. thank you for joining today's program. professional answers to the questions i'm going to ask, well, obviously, i'll start with the shelling of yesterday's russian shelling of critical infrastructure facilities in ukraine, but before that, let's see how margarita simonyan, i don't know, there the president of russia doesn't know her for sure, what is she doing there, in a word, she printed the reviews of two people on her telegram channel, a propagandist and a military officer, a political scientist and a military officer, and one of them writes that electricity is not a privilege of the right, he is happy to strike at to the energy infrastructure

- the infrastructure of the kyiv regime because it is important for victory, the strikes on power plants are the west's response, the enemy has been pounding the energy facilities of russia for 8 years, this is what it is, this is what it is, margarita simonyan, she has already talked about it more than once she talked about how happy she was because of what the russian troops are doing on the territory of ukraine, although after the counteroffensive that took place in the last five days, she wrote slightly different posts about what happens in history, but we will gather and we will continue there in response. yes, in view of yesterday's shelling of critical infrastructure facilities in ukraine. please tell me . these are the joyful calls of the russians. please tell me . russia in its current state is a terrorist country. well, let's start with simanyan first. the most important thing is to understand that this woman is

a war criminal, who by her actions incited the war, who carried propaganda, and for all these flowers, for all these posts, she will inevitably bear responsibility, as in her time, the appropriateness was borne by the editor of the newspaper tishina biobakhter julius what concerns actions of the russian authorities, it is quite obvious that it is not effective on the battlefield. i am not able to cope with conventional combat operations, the russian authorities resort to such a cowardly approach of launching terrorist attacks from afar an object of civil infrastructure what is an act of terrorism what is an unconditional war crime from the country of the russian federation since peaceful people suffer from these wounds and

the most cynical what these strikes were inflicted by terrorist strikes on the anniversary of the a-a terrorist attack on the last states a-a in this sense e- this shows the weakness of the russian government. this shows the cowardice of the russian government. what about the joyous cries of various propagandists of different calibers? secondly, populated areas are liberated by the armed forces of ukraine, this is the joy of launching terrorist attacks on critical objects of the energy infrastructure of ukraine , it shows everything a-a, the baseness of these people a-a and eh, their moral character, what you said is symbolism, because it happened uh, that's exactly

september 11. do you think this is accidental symbolism, or is it possible that this is planned symbolism? i think that it is not a coincidence to the kremlin. it is customary to attribute love to certain symbols that symbolize some circumstances in this case. eh, you are fighting with us over ukraine, and in the narratives of russian propagandists, and this whole thing is cowardly, and it means the defeat of the russian army, all of their flight is glorified, so much so that they exclude the fact that they are allegedly fighting nato, and this is how they send me to the united states. - and in

эту говясьшачину такой от такой от открытку такие от удар трористические программы tell me , please, russia now, the russians are simple russians, not the russians who now write in telegrams, there in the comments, because there is a lot, a lot of different things, and a lot of uninteresting things, but the russians are like that in which critical thinking remains. i hope that such russians remain in russia. tell me, please, do they now understand that this is all that is happening now in ukraine, it is not a special and military operation. and this is it a real war or is there such a thing, or does everyone still think that it is an ied? well, again, russian society is no longer monolithic, but it consists of completely different groups, and the emerging majority, unfortunately, is under the influence of propaganda, and there is a small number of intelligent people with a complaining mentality that not only call the war a

war, they do not only come out, well, they came out, let’s say so, before mass repressions, with protests, not only do they carry out a list of donations to the armed forces of ukraine, but and probably for the first time in 200 years, they wish for the defeat of their own army and they wish for the victory of ukraine, but i will repeat such people. a-a was prosecuted administratively and colossus hardly hears them, because any such voice is instantly recorded by repressive bodies, even in relation to a person, but a case can simply be opened , so it says that this is generally 100% the russians support the so-called special

military operation, it would be wrong for the majority to support it, but there is also a minority that opposes a-a please tell me, mykola , considering everything that is happening now, what you and i talked about is the defeat of the russian troops in the kharkiv region, well, such a serious defeat, no matter what they say in russia now and no matter how they try to explain it with some kind of strategic departure, that's all. please tell me, could this not be the beginning of the end of russia in its are repeated in today's form. i think that the beginning of the end of russia happened after putin lost the battle for a day in kiev, that is, in spite of all the victory reports that the russian army will capture kiev in two or three days, he was forced to withdraw troops from there, that's it it was the beginning

of the end of the body, and the body failed to trust putin in such a, let's say, mental context, on which for a long time, um, there was such a picture that he was lucky, that russia is developing with him, that he is winning some things olympiads and so on. now he begins to collect on himself personally all the failures that will inevitably haunt the russian army in ukraine , and we are just watching now. for the last three days, well, from ukraine, it all looks and is understandable. although few people from ukraine follow this, but i, considering the fact that i am

engaged in this, i followed this. i personally think that this is such a buffoonery, but in your opinion, it is was there really a fan, or could there be some. another push , someone new will come because, as far as i understand , this system was working in bulk there, uh, maybe some people will come, who will stir something up there, try to at least stir it up from the inside, well, let's say so during the last 20 years, there have been no elections in russia, and all this would have been fanfare with varying degrees of regulation on the part of the state. when he's still a candidate after the elections, if we're talking about a few liberal positions, these elections represent such a lagoon for people who promote the theory of small businesses that here are desks at the level of

municipal deputies, where can we then lay a road somewhere to make a comfortable environment for disabled people a-a but this is not er-e let’s say it is not an attempt to claim power in the broad sense of the word, therefore for the russian government municipal deputies are not dangerous although a-a after the beginning invasion some of the municipal deputies received criminal cases for their position a-a, including alexey govorinov, who called the war a war, received 7 years of imprisonment freedom is now under custody of m. m. ilya yashin and a number of other deputies , someone is a questioner a-a therefore, he is serious about the elections in russia. well, it is probably not worth it. this is an absolutely controlled process, and it is already fully automated from the side. only the necessary result at the very end is inherent.