and tell me, when they went to bucha, they saw such absolutely terrible cases of mass burials and everything else. has anything like this been discovered on the territory of the raisin, because it is still there? it's literally well, it's all fresh, let's just say that there is the smell of fire and burning, that is, it's still quite warm, well, any direct reports of some mass atrocities right in the very we didn't have it, well, it's good, at least we'll see what happens next. thank you there was valery wednesday, the general of the police at three in the morning, thank you very much for joining our broadcast and let's return to our conversation with ivan kyryche -krychevskyi and viktor tregubov a-a well, we were watching a story where you can see such a large gray area and

well, the question itself is... it must be occupied somehow well, because is there a danger that if we do not occupy it quickly enough, well, the russians may somehow return there and regroup, what do you think, ivan? if we still talk about the eastern direction, right now the russians are more focused on therefore, if we were to strengthen our defense line in the area of ​​the estuary itself and in the area of ​​the matchmaker, you know, of course, on the one hand, we are at war with a rather absurd enemy, and here it should not be ruled out that the russians will try to carry out, well, something like a banzai attack , that is, try to occupy the gray zone in order to get a kick out of the pushback and retreat again back well, nevertheless, to talk about such a large-scale danger what the russians are now capable of, that they have already adapted there, capable of a kind of contrahensive well, let's talk, it is

not necessary yet, but this is if, of course, judging by those data which are from open sources and, accordingly, do not constitute some kind of secret, and let's say if, of course, i do not rule out that the situation in the fields may differ somewhat in history. as without relying again on my open data but here too i think it is possible p viktor adds something p viktor do you think that should we go there right now er it is very audible if we fall into our own trap if we just go forward too fast we won't have time to set up normal logistics, we won't have time actually well, we will actually do the same thing as they did in defense, only as a result we will have a thin line in front of us and an emptiness behind it, this is risky, that's why right now they don't

go until the holiday, that's why now they are not moving forward, although the russians seem to be already preparing from this side to defend the russian border here, but for this you need to have money reserves. is separs of the type - the last russian energy is caught , so let's still finish this process. i think that the offensive is planned. i think that the offensive will be renewed in the near future, and a lot still depends on the fate of the yampil estuary, because if we manage to effectively surround the element of yampil , cut it off and occupy it that's why we will simply open there. the road is very good and because of the crime and so on. well, despite the fact that we already have a road through the north, actually through the direction of svatovo and not even starobelsk, therefore, in principle, i believe that the conditions are not one way or another, the next one will be renewed and the only

issue is the development of those territories that we have just liberated and the actual work on these territories, the issue of reserves will again be necessary for the general, what i am reading to know how much reserves we have there now, how much we are now able to raise logistics, transfer the logistics to oskol , and here you just have to look, unfortunately, i don’t have such data, i’m still asking, not general dynamo, but when you say that the offensive will resume, where can it resume after all ? what is meant is liman and everything around there, well, liman yampil, this part of the battle is about the broken yampil, then there are cigarettes, the technical directions said, i said about svatovo and then to starobelsk, specifically about the slobojan part of luhansk oblast. active

battles are going on, the russians are fighting among themselves there in their telegram channels, that's why everything is there ok, i'm talking about the northern direction, i'm talking about shifting logistics, see also such a situation is being steeled that uh well, it's like the russian general staff said, we specially withdrew the troops in order to concentrate on the donetsk direction. the donetsk direction means bakhmut, er, they er, it is also visible from their reports, they are very active in talking about the fact that they are having success near bakhmut . bahmutu actually because let's try to somehow simulate what it can be, how events can develop further and what we need there near bahmutu in order to still secure the direction there, well, of course, we'll start with you , ivan well, on the one hand, of course, what we need there to ensure sustainable defense of bakhmut. obviously,

only the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine knows this. that is, what kind of outfit is needed - it is, uh, kiev still needs to transfer reserves in addition to the number of manpower . modeling , do we need to remove, let’s say, these candles that were used for us, then i heard that we can cope with the available forces, or we are, but on the other hand, i would not particularly exaggerate the ability of the russians at the moment to take bakhmut because, well, except there it was noted in the stories that the russians had already entered the codem, but they gave the same one, we went and stormed . let’s say for quite a long time, i suspect that when someone did not understand the true number of losses of the russians in the battle, uh, during the battles for this settlement , then there, well, them it was also quite painful as its subscriptions, of course, if the russians would, let’s say, withdraw from kharkiv oblast as they officially declare it, that is, we did not organize a regrouping there , that they are regrouping there, withdrawing reserves

, concentrating precisely on the direction of bakham if that was all that the russians were leaving there and left the trophy for assimilation, if they really would have drawn to the direction of bakham, then there would really be a reason to say that there the russians narrowed their er, they narrowed all their efforts to literally a few kilometers of the front, purely to to take bahmuts to achieve such a psychological victory, but luckily for us the russians retreated chaotically they threw and not only there, let's say some such interesting armored vehicles, or there at the same time, the russians even threw mts guns there some of their own teams on staff vehicles or even counter battery radars and here you know, the question even arises that, because it has retreated, how much will they, in principle, be able to quickly restore even the command vertical, let's just say the combat effectiveness of the personnel, but to restore the command vertical , which is necessary for the introduction of a certain kind therefore, we cannot say that it

will be easy for the defenders of bahmut, but let's say that we hope that through the three-sixties, we hope that they will be able to take it. there is no reason for this either. you know, even these are still interesting empirical criteria, what are these? at first, well, at first there were reports that these artillery units of the so-called first and second army corps were forced to give the russians more or less new guns, but just 52 mm, and to transfer altogether on the howitzer d1 and sat down from the second world war, then some reports came that even the tables issued to them were not quite correct , respectively, whether they were combatants or cadre russian - cadre russian military under let's say so mass fighters or they can't even direct guns to hit anywhere, well, you know that, in my opinion, this is an example of the transition to the eyes of the times of the second world war. well, it quite comprehensively characterizes the state of the enemy's army, which they are now trying to take . bakhmut appeared in our corporal vitaly markiv is

an officer of the operational battalion named after general kulchytskyi of the national guard of ukraine. as far as i understand, mr. vitaly, you are somewhere in the estuary area. i greet you so , uh, in the eastern direction, well, in the eastern direction please tell me, just describe your situation, what is happening, who is actually fighting with you there now and i, what is their moral and psychological state, how serious are they really resisting, well, the psychological state of the enemy is very, so to speak, very low they are fleeing they are forced to attract their property or supplies in some directions and equipment, therefore the enemy is in chaos, but most likely he will regroup and prepare a-a well,

more precisely, the enemy is now preparing more for defensive er for defensive actions, so to speak offensive contours, but it depends on each direction differently. well, in your specific direction, there is such a strong line of defense, no. is it something like that, rather, it is temporary? i mean from the side of the enemy, not from our enemy. the defensive positions we got before their counteroffensive, but nothing, we will knock them out, so to speak, the cockroaches have been driven out of the cycle from these gladirs and, in a new way, the defensive line of our defense, which retreated from the kharkiv direction. some of those who were there, i'm just curious, where did the forces that they seem to have withdrawn, said

that they withdrew, no, it's hard to say, but in the direction that concerns sviatohirska, for example , it was the so-called ldnr units, and they retreated with them a little - it is a little difficult to fight because they know the area, they are already here, after all, there are some people who have been fighting against our country for a very long time and, accordingly, have some experience, but this will not save them and we will get to them too and here are all the wagners yes yes wagner league you with do you appear in this direction or are they not there? in principle, they were, they were, but they also left, and the otaki compound. well, it’s like the personnel army of russia , where is it there? they are now after the fall of balaklia kupinska, that raisin, they are, er, a chaotic retreat. this is what we uh-uh what we

see uh-uh they tell themselves that this is a tactical retreat but all the trophies that were won in the uh-uh battle in the kharkiv direction and themselves show something completely different and we can see uh-uh new samples of their the latest technology, which are very expensive in principle of course, the enemy left a lot of ammunition in my direction, nothing, uh, they brought them here so that we could use them during the following, as they say, they came with a ball , they put it from the same, do you feel any change in the work of the russian and artillery, oh well such heavier systems because well, you already said they left part of the ammunition a little bit in this plan it will become easier whether it is felt or not so far there is no enemy yet d- a lot of artillery a lot of ammunition he

uses them very fondly a- and they beat er, well how to say krigy very very fast but we don't get anything this is not the first time ukrainian soldiers ukrainian heroes know how to act with the joint efforts of the units of the national guard of the armed forces of ukraine and territorial defense we were able to force siverskyi donetsk and svyatohorsk excuse me syrian donetsky take the month of svyatohorsk and a- and now the defensive actions are ongoing , i cannot disclose the details of this operation because they are still ongoing , what can i say that now the above- mentioned units, as i said, are now being arranged the defense positions of the city, and for us, the priority is the safety of our citizens, and as for the units of the national guard, we are also helping to set up a humanitarian corridor to help

our compatriots who were under occupation for so many months, the city is in a very deplorable state, and to break it , the structure is completely destroyed people here. what did you understand? there were even cases when they did not even see bread for 4-5 months, so in such a case, as for everything else, search operations are ongoing to identify collaborators of the drg and the enemy who did not he managed to leave, we will get a foothold and definitely restore our city, thank you, thank you, you see at the front, because considering everything that happened in your life, how much they fought for you, and now you are back and defending the motherland, it's wonderful, well, good luck, the transmissions were to everyone conscious citizen of ukraine, unfortunately, the enemy has come to us. well, we will set a turning

point and definitely liberate our country and restore all our borders, and we have already proved to the whole world what ukraine is, what the ukrainian army is, and that you should not come to us from weapons it is possible as tourists well, definitely not weapons and not on tanks , this tourism should be thank you thank you vitaliy markiv uh, let's get back to our conversation well, uh, actually, there are such impressions from uh, well, this is already a direct participant in what is happening there and to viktor tregubov, we also had a question regarding the bahmut of his defense and the possibilities in general, but really the question is, did all of them go everywhere, as they said, the reinforcements that were delivered there by helicopters are so beautifully pathetic podkupyansk collected e where did all these contract units of the russian

army go? actually, where are they supposed to be? according to the idea, what is happening to them in the kherson and zaporizhzhia areas, but that is not the point, the point is that if the russians really want to, they can concentrate on the area of ​​the front. a certain numerical and technical advantage is necessary for an offensive, and therefore, of course, they can look somewhere, well, oh, oh, when it comes to the fact that we are at war with a large country. for this, it is necessary to weaken other directions, and that is already pressing on the groin, to take part of the industrial zone there, one castle is very powerful and to lose an area in kharkiv oblast, approximately, with a small european country, therefore, somewhere like this is now happening somewhere, they are constructing efforts and very much it is advancing as in this one is on the same topic, and

somewhere they have kharkiv oblast. it seems to me that, in principle, this situation suits us . there is still a certain employee to go there, the pressure is on while we are actually advancing on kharkiv oblast, luhansk oblast, kherson oblast and doing it successfully. we will achieve our goals. then they will think very hard about how to transfer the reserves already to zaporizhzhia, and it is unlikely that they will have enough operational capacity in order to do something very actively there in donetsk region. moreover, what is actually about their strategic plan about what the original plan to capture all of donetskia is out of the question

simply because actually there is no more pressure from the raisin direction, there is no common pressure, or are you only from the south, well, it is somehow inconvenient, and the slavic crematorium federation would definitely not. well, there was such an article in new york- times recently, where they talked about the preparation of their own offensives, and it was described that initially the ukrainian armed forces wanted to carry out the main offensive in the south, but then they decided that it would be difficult enough and decided to do two here small ones, one in the south and the other in the kharkiv direction, and it's interesting in this connection, you already started talking about the fact that now the russians need to decide where to concentrate the forces that they have in the south near bakhmut , is it possible that somewhere along this line there is a shard there,

let's try to predict something about this matter. well, where, sooner rather than later, can they try to organize some kind of demonstrative offensive? what do you think, mr. ivan, that's all - after all, in order for them to arrange some kind of demonstration pump, they first need to concentrate eh how to stabilize their line of defense there, and here everything in them depends on how they get the situation in lomania and svatovo to their advantage , again and depending on how they reliably hold svatovo there and will determine the life expectancy of these remnants of russian troops on the other side of the oskol barracks because well, you understand on the one hand, it is too early to be there to make certain optimistic forecasts, but something suggests that as the russians accumulate problems in the to of a matchmaker, let's say that they will start to pull out the remnants of their troops from there more actively, and we are talking about the perspective of several weeks

, maybe here it is worth expecting that the russians, if they have any local reserves, that they will try to pull it out to the south, after all, to get there is the advance of our troops, because you know how we will declare such an interesting enemy there, where about sometimes propaganda does not provide for a short military command, accordingly, if such an odious one, in my opinion, who is controlling everything or who there, even among these collaborators, a voice began to say that no kharkiv option would be similar to the fact that, let's say, the army refsom will try to do everything to stop the transfer of our troops precisely in the kherson direction, especially since 1,300 personnel have already been transferred there, just like zagorya, that row against the russian of troops, this is exactly what suggests where the russians can, in addition to concentrating on gaining their positions, even there try to move into small local counter-attacks against

what the russians can try now arrange something like the soviet offensive that hitler dared at the end of 1944, so far nothing indicates exactly the opposite, why is it now being discussed that they should not negotiate with the russians about any armistice because the russians will use a certain gap the truce is precisely in order to accumulate certain reserves and try to repeat this soviet offensive in eastern ukraine in order to achieve even such a limited political goal of reaching the administrative borders of the donetsk region. therefore, while they getting stuck in the south is somehow good for us. well, as far as i understand, the russians are also waiting for some further offensives by the ukrainian army

in the south. let me know a little bit about what else we will touch on. it seems to me that this article is important, which was published by the generals of zulazhny and zabrodsky, which basically described the situation of the 23rd of the year and the plans for the 23rd year from my point of view part of these plans has already actually happened now, but there remains a serious question that was raised by the generals there, which sounded like it should be strategic. hmmm, you know parity, that is, if it is now a problem for us that the russians are shelling us from their territory, and actually the impossibility of leading to this is the main thing in such an is the place of vulnerability of the ukrainian not only the army, but the state in general, and it seems to me that this article was written not so much for the actual understanding of the

ukrainian audience there, but as a message to the of our e-e strategic partners in this regard. this is the same situation that we have now with regard to the kharkiv border, that is, border control is possible and when we can ensure that shelling does not continue from the side of russian territory, that no force can be concentrated on the side of russian territory and to break through the border again, for this you need to have uh means of deterrence. there should be a crimea next and there should be a solution to the situation about the crimea. and in connection with this, i also have the impression that this may be a situation similar to the one that was in the croatian e-e during the war of 1995, when the croatian the army

went on the offensive, they moved, well, that is, it was able to capture a part of the territory of bosnia at that time and exchange it for the territory. well, where was mykola, or will we have to do the same thing? that is, in order for us to solve the issue of crimea and many other questions are just what we will have to do for example, after all, at some point, to move at least to the territory of the belgorod region, where the places where we have bases are located, and simply in order to destroy these bases in the rest, well, viktor, what do you think? well, in general, in a broad sense some of your retorts about what was in this article in general and what we should pay attention to is not aimed at a western audience seriously, but it is, for the ukrainian audience, in a certain way even too pessimistic, and it is believed that the situation in our country is the beginning of 23 should be a little better than what is described there. a

and kharkiv region. in principle, this partially proves the situation. it is more likely that we still need to negotiate with our partners and take their opinion into account, and again, it is going to be the opinion of the portraits when we say well, shouldn't we take help, and it would be very good seriously, but again, wouldn't this lead to depriving us of peace of mind? we know of course that there are different countries with different approaches . therefore, in principle, won't it be a big political risk for us more than a military one, this is the main question we don't know the answer to which we have to be in the president's office again and negotiate directly with the same americans from a purely military point of view, it seems possible to me and it seems useful to me, but again

, we have to take into account not only the military point of view, because we are fighting not only with our own weapons and not only with our own economy, but in many heats, we need strength and that we have again there was still this opportunity to occupy these resources that we need to remove the war. well, maybe. for now, the big ones are waiting, although i really like the idea, mr. ivan. you have one and a half minutes, and your reply about these plans. you know more. we can ask such a rhetorical question now, because the answer to it is perhaps we will find it already after the victory. and what if this article was pushed by the honorable commander-in-chief and general zaporozhsky was aimed not just at the western audience, but also to, let's say, attract the west let's say yes to more active foreign support for our military efforts. i mean now because , well, they outlined the problem that 36 are shelling

kharkiv, and it would be nice to hit their bases that are shelling kharkiv region, but it's sloppy and sloppy, they outlined the problem that the russians can fire at us with strategic bombers that are based there, for example, somewhere at all. engels airfield is very far away . let's just say that they can and fire at us in the caspian sea, they also outlined the arrivals that even if we force the black sea fleet, thanks to our military successes, to flee to novorossiysk, king son will open things, as usual , the russians there, this happens, and from there they will start shelling us with calibers, and you understand that all the means of the russian cockpit are there. they are at such a distance that we can get them only missile systems can, you know, the one of a strategic level, which is in service with the us army, well, there are, for example , cruise missiles under the index lr-a-7. well, for the fb1b bomber, why were they actually there training in 2020, when two b1p bombers made

a training attack on crimea well, and accordingly there, let’s say that there are demands to get the airfield, uh, the airfield will be there, but you have russian strategic bombers, but you don’t have american allies, well, or british allies, they are unlikely to be let’s put it this way transfer to someone else, including us, because there is no to all these carriers, perhaps we should introduce a discourse about what these are, not about carrying out such a banza and a raid on the territory belogorod, this is about having the american allies support our operations by force in one way or another in 2023, on the one hand, it can really look fantastic now, and it may even be harmful to say such things out loud, but well , that is, we are the ones who outline such options, but we have a certain precedent given in an interview of a sample of march or april 2022, air force picker ignat reported that there, uh, our western allies, when they helped to cover the sky, they even worked out

the format, as it were, as a radar aircraft patrol to use the f-35, that is, there is a certain per, come on, and you can work here, thank you, thank you, it was ivan kyrychevskyi and viktor tregubov, eh, we have to finish, we will meet in a week, and then watch the express tv channel, we ask you to help in the frost, data and dasha shevchukiv, i immediately draw your attention on the fact that they are twins and disappeared in mariupol, unfortunately, about dasha and the information i have , almost nothing is known, and we only know about the circumstances of their disappearance that the children lived in mariupol, were born on september 18, 2016, and their father's name is sergey, there are only these photos of a brother and a sister, but the photos are of good quality, you can see the faces of the twins well, and most likely the photos were taken

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