we are talking about march, the end of the month, when our side is already talking about a possible guarantee of security without direct entry into nato, that is, for that period , everything could be an option, but we felt that it would be a pause for putin, we will see what fascist crimes we understood what we got signals from both the usa and britain that active and effective support for the construction will be fully given in part so that in this situation other prerequisites will arise, not just to stop at some stage on putin's terms, for example, we are even sailing, which is still on 24 to return in february, although it could not be. i was already occupied in the territory of the south, therefore, in this situation, we could not go to such negotiations. he was already ready at that time, but when the question of liberating the territories became tough, of course , putin's rhetoric and readiness for an agreement changed which was predicted there, you are already holding negotiations, uh, at the site of verdon and rokaniv there, and chaliy is riding there, there

was rhetoric. - this only forms for the sake of discing some kind of break, and then the whole scenario of the supplementary program works accordingly, we went with the option of liberating our state at the enterprise of our powerful partners, and it worked, so there were already chances to conclude an agreement, what the cossack said later, because putin made his choice an aggressive politician and we made our liberation completely the territory and not to pacify the aggressor but really to throw him out of our territories and to work with allies in such a way that putin does not raise anyone as an aggressor like an authoritarian leader who targets ukraine and other countries of the world. by the way, against the background of the successful counteroffensive by the armed forces of ukraine in the kharkiv region, russia approached the officials of ukraine with a proposal to hold talks about this, and in

an interview with franz 24, the deputy prime minister from of european and euro-atlantic integration, olga stefanishyna, i quote, there were indeed public and non-public attempts by various groups of russian officials, ukraine never retreated from negotiations, but in view of the gravity of the crimes that russia committed on our land and continues to commit every month, the levers for negotiations are different from those in february, stefanyshina said. she believes that the russians are now proposing negotiations to stop the advance of the armed forces. are negotiations between russia and ukraine needed today? general, and if so , what should be the subject of such negotiations and theoretical agreements? today, negotiations are needed not only with putin, together with our partners regarding the complete liberation of the territory of our state, such negotiations are needed, compensation of ukraine for causing damages, return accordingly

all and the damage of our prisoners and people whom they actually captured and especially children in ukraine . this is the working out of international low legal mechanisms for ensuring global security, including ukraine and preventing the future aggressive positions of the russian federation, such negotiations are necessary, but then on it will not work because in fact this is the end of this regime and he does not recognize himself as guilty, accordingly, he lost here and that is why in this situation it will be the fall of his regime and even the russian entourage will actually move him from this position to at the moment, the main argument is for him to adopt some kind of act, we are already talking about the liberation of the territory, these are the powerful actions of the armed forces of ukraine in the sectors of the south-east of other directions, these are the prerequisites for russia not only to leave our lands, but the prospects changed the regime and concluded an agreement on the future of the

russian federation as a whole, the formation of a new , more democratic system. perhaps on other principles of state law, that is, this is a perspective specifically for us. we can only leave when indeed, today the russian leadership, even including putin, will have made a clear decision that they will liberate the territory completely in accordance with the norms of international law, and this is expected to be in the period of august 1991. this format works. i think that in this situation we will go this way, it corresponds to everything legal norms and including the great agreement between ukraine and russia signed by the russian leadership, there is no contradiction here, there is a real fact of aggression, there are real violations of international norms, we must do all this to update the plans to maintain a dialogue with the aggressor, what territories will he leave somewhere, what conditions will he impose on us, the more the consideration was literally yesterday that the position of russia to go to

negotiations only under those conditions when you have met some of moscow's demands, in principle, this cannot be , general, you have already mentioned the internal the situation in the country, what exactly will he focus on the internal situation in russia later, or can he just leave like that, he still needs some kind of victory ? happened over the past few days, we have seen public speeches by deputies of various municipal councils or dumas, as they are called in russia, in st. ukraine should leave your seat as a person who has been engaged in issues of national

security and defense for a long time and is still engaged now, but at a professional level, what do you say, this is not an informational and psychological special operation of the russian federations, what are they? well, throwing in, it seems that there is some kind of dissatisfaction within the state and to demonstrate to the whole world that there are some prospects for the displacement of putin, or is it really the way it is in russia, why am i asking this because, well, considering the regime that is in in russia, i do not think that it is quite simple for some deputies to speak openly, and even more so to call on the president of russia to resign, well, first of all, we are appealing to the municipal deputy of st. petersburg and moscow already in 18 e-e districts they seem to have declared that putin is really wrong in his policy of protecting the interests of russia, that is, they are not supporters of a democratic system, for example, or the prevention of any

aggressive actions; that ukraine is actually conducting a very successful operation and therefore, in this situation, may have putin 's resignation in the future. putin has just such an alternative idea and pressure on him, but it seems that due to some public formations , the deputy e-corps of such a third level, that is, of the municipal level, that's exactly where the game is going, i 'll say it directly, but as a rule, there is a radio, a high level of the special services, one e-e mood at the moment exactly this hardware works, but this is also a perspective on the one hand, as if this is the format of condemning putin and activating some more decisive actions to protect the interests of russia, on the other hand, this is the perspective of possible alternative movements, they

predict that putin may lose prospects in this situation as well, and of course influential people in putin's entourage form the very basis that is expressed today precisely by the opposition of individual deputies, politicians, and some already in the military, we are already talking already talking well, i'm not talking about the hills there such a representative of the special services who voices what is economically advantageous, but precisely those who influence the generality of us special services, politicians and oligarchs, that is, gradually, but apparently under the pretext of protecting the interests of russia an alternative position is being formed, it is very careful, i said the sand, well, you can talk about some losses there, but not criticize, because the line between criticism and crime is very small, so they are playing on the verge of a foul, but they are forming towards the opposition, as it were, and patriotic pressure on putin, what do you say, come on work more actively there, and it will

shift to the other side in case of his loss , it is clear that this is the opposition that should take the lead accordingly . central and municipal. thank you, mr. general, for participating in the program. this was an army general. former head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine mykola malamushek. i wish you good health and we continue our program. of defense strategies, deputy chief of staff of the ukrainian navy in 2004-2020, captain of the first rank, mr. andrii, i congratulate you. good health. thank you for joining our conversation. good day, mr. andrii, yesterday we presented a package of recommendations of security guarantees for ukraine, which was worked out by yermak's group once. well, the price is... which

should, in principle, explain or create a security model that will suit ukraine and our partners, let's hear what president zelensky said about this, we have the result of our work on security guarantees for our state today a package of recommendations of an international group under the leadership of andrii yarmak and anders folgrafny was presented, these recommendations should form the basis of the future system of security treaties that will give ukrainians peace of mind and will be able to guarantee the prevention of any war against ukraine, we are working to ensure that the strongest subjects of the free world become the guarantors of the security of our state, so that at a much more external and bilateral level it is determined in detail who should

react, how and when if any what is the threat to the state security of ukraine to respond with sanctions, the supply of weapons, all the necessary material and financial support, the main thing is clear and legally mandatory steps, concrete and timely actions, in particular, preventive the actions are aimed at avoiding war and cooling the intentions of the aggressor, i.e. everything that our state did not have before, and because of which russia was under the illusion that it could get away with the war against ukraine, we have already built, together with our partners, a powerful anti-war coalition, which includes dozens of different states and now we are working to ensure that the most powerful states that are already helping us become a coalition of peace that will last forever. it is quite obvious to andrii that the security system that existed in the world until february 24, 2022 year no longer exists and does not work. it is clear that there was a

budapest memorandum, which also does not work according to your opinion. who and how can guarantee the security of ukraine, or ukraine, after all, should take care of these security guarantees about the future of its own secure future with its own forces, in particular with armed forces by the forces of ukraine, well, first of all, we actually have the power to do this, i think well, it just won't work because well, if you take and compare our capabilities with, well, with the russian federation, let's say there with uh-uh, with similar , similar, and smoke these uh-uh, uh- e potency e-e even in the event of the end of a-a means hostilities in the best conditions for ukraine uh-uh well, it is possible to predict that russia will pose a threat to

ukraine, but economically economically, we simply will not be able to cope with the russian federation one-on-one. this is obvious and uh-uh in in general, there are experiments. i think it is not necessary to carry out experiments. well , in my opinion, another option that is not ideal would be to participate in the north atlantic alliance, because it is already so guaranteed. the mechanism, yes, there is indeed a certain question, but oh well the north atlantic alliance is an organization in which all these internal mechanisms have already been worked out, which are related to the provision of military protection to one of the members of this organization. in principle, everything is quite clear. i want to remind you that the total budget of the north atlantic alliance is more than one trillion treaties, which is 16 times greater than the budget

of the russian federation, and our budget is exactly 16 times less than that of the russian federation, that is, well , everything is clear here, plus another serious argument in favor of the atlantic there is an option that the most developed military technologies are located in the west precisely in the countries that are members of the alliance. well, secondly, the alliance is not only, let's say, a military bloc, and especially the introduction of this side involves a lot of internal transformations in the country candidates, this is economic, political and legislative, and so on. and i think that for ukraine it was the most useful option because of this in general. the state system that works in russia would have completely shown its incapacity, and now in these

conditions that we are in now, well , this option is really being worked out, in which the provision of guarantees is really here, i agree that we must have our own military and political, diplomatic, economic potential that is, for us, it is primarily the united states of america - it is great britain and the countries of europe, and it is also important to enlist the support of turkey here, because we see now that the sea is our weak point , in fact, from the first hours of the war, the northwestern part of the black sea was blocked and we did not receive any help due to the vmont convention, but it helped us a little because the russian ships, which were concentrated in the mediterranean sea, also did not enter and could not

strengthen the group that the black sea fleet had gathered here, but well summarizing, i want to say yes, these should be those states that have such a serious political, military, diplomatic and economic weight and, well, because, well, the budapest memorandum was a good one, a good deal, but well, there are a lot of comments about it, and we will say the weights and so on, but she did not give us such direct obligations regarding the provision of military aid to ukraine, well, you mentioned mr. andriy about the group that is in the black sea of ​​the russian federation, the black sea the fleet of the russian federation and now some of these ships have moved to novorossiysk. if i am not mistaken, in the last broadcast you mentioned the number of 80 units of ships and

boats of the black sea fleet of the russian federation in this situation now it is clear that the number of e-e units of our fleet, they cannot in any way, in any proportion, even be put e-e to russian ships and boats e-e, we are currently observing the counter-offensive in the kharkiv region and the beginning of the counter-offensive in the kherson region, and one way or another we are discussing the future future event of the armed forces of ukraine to the territory of the occupied and annexed crimea, even if we are theoretically speaking now, we are practically implementing the return of all these lands in the future, there is a year two or three, meaning the crimean peninsula, so what do we need to do on the southern border of the sea border

, taking into account the quite a lot of our efforts compared to the ships of the russian fleet there, which will always be a threat to us because they will have a base in the same novorossian and uh, this threat will not go anywhere, well, first of all, i want to say that now, well , in the plans for the construction of the defense, there are capabilities, that is, no, not so much a platform as capabilities. in fact, the russian federation has uh, 80 ships, boats and ships now, but which ones can really launch a missile attack there and we have ships to land amphibious assaults. unfortunately , there are far fewer boats, and some of them were destroyed or captured by the enemy in the sea of ​​azov, but here i want to say that in terms of capacity, we were able to increase them thanks to the help of our partners and

the arrival of these anti-ship missile systems and we developed such a capability , which in nato is called sit down and whitewash that gray , not pushing out the operative's admission to a certain border or to a certain area, and now that area that is imperative by the threat of a missile strike is the northwestern part of the black sea, he simply does not go there, if he goes there, then we can strike and the ships will be destroyed. so, it is really because of this threat, and some of the ships have been transferred to novorossiysk, and the photo headquarters has already been partially transferred to novorossiysk, but if we we are returning sevastopol, which we see now on the video, we really need to ensure that, again, these two classic military capabilities of the navy are

called self-control, that is, control of its sea area of ​​the sea waters of the exclusively maritime economic zone and we have many very interesting such deposits of minerals in our and in our exclusive maritime economic zone which can stabilize and greatly help our energy security and er, well, shipping, you see, now they have blocked everything everything is up and 75% of ukraine's economy is exactly that, it moves at the expense of water transport at the expense of the sea, and these sea communications must be protected . for sure, the boundary is mostly classically decided by arche-jockets, and if we have a missile with a range of 200 km, this means that the enemy will be very, very wary of approaching at a

distance closer, if there is no such thing, he will simply come and capture this territory, but again, missiles must be placed on coastal systems and on ship systems and on airplanes, and here it is very important, again, to look at resources because resources are the equipment itself, people, their training, maintenance, and repairs, infrastructure, and so on and in principle i can to say that now he already allows these capabilities of the naval forces, and because, well, until the beginning of the war, our budget for the reconstruction and development of the navy was about three billion hryvnias per year, if you compare it with what it was, let's say , 20 years ago, this is practically 100 times more well, that is, it is simply necessary to competently and rationally use this resource, the rules for building maritime

security are known to us, the waste of the development of medium-term and long-term documents, and in the commands of the navy of ukraine, this technique has been mastered it is necessary now to implement it and to attract the most capable technological samples of weapons that realize these capabilities and master the personnel training system to recruit the most qualified specialists and ensure that they remain in the service of anya and receive knowledge and skills and left the service in order to work in commercial structures or somewhere else mr. andriy, the ukrainian government proposes to spend half of the budget for 2023 on defense and security is more than four times more than was budgeted for this year, at the same time

information appeared that the united states of america is preparing another package of military aid and this military aid will be announced literally in a few days john kirby, er, said that we are in close contact with the ukrainians, we talk to them every day in real time, there are discussions about what military needs they have, they previously said that 600 will be allocated for the military needs of ukraine million dollars, we know that last week the armed forces of ukraine received aid, or rather ukraine received aid in the amount of 700 million dollars from the united states of america. i know that for a very long time , the naval forces of ukraine

have not we will have, as you said, missiles with a range of 300 km, maybe 500 km, maybe 3,000 km, and in this way we will be able to protect our territorial waters in the black sea, which, in principle, are now completely dominated by the russian federation, or after all ukraine it is necessary to have the naval development program already updated taking into account the challenges that we have now and the challenges that we have seen during the last six months by reviewing the concept that existed before the start of the war because, well, any development program involves an assessment of the environment and the environment

has changed very seriously, not in our favor, uh, and other parameters have changed, for example, now the help of partners has increased significantly, but you said that the budget for next year is really over one trillion hryvnias, which is about 25 billion dollars , and this is the budget, well, this is a large amount, very large, and there was no such amount in the history of ukraine, but in any case, it is less than what, for example, the united states of america provides in a year in the form of weapons, training and so on, that is, you see well, as it were, the help here is very serious, so the conceptor must definitely be reviewed , if for now he is the only one, if the navy is based in odesa, and if the question is about if we return crimea to us after the return of crimea need

review because there will be other geographic parameters and the tasks may be fundamentally the same. the necessary capabilities are the same, but their implementation, the ways and methods may be different, but again, uh, well, it is very important here that, and this is the classic managerial triangle of tasks , resource capabilities, it should be balanced and er, well, and costs, and they should be planned for the future, and not planned during the time when some kind of need arises there, er, well, let's say there is a current need, that is, they must be programmed and because of that it should really become the basis of military budgeting for both the navy and all the armed forces of ukraine, because now the budget is built according to the functional principle, that is, there

. i will ask you a question that i wanted to formulate myself for a long time and now i will try to express myself very precisely. until 2014, ukraine did not consider russia as a potential enemy and as a potential danger. and why? well, i think that it is in it was mainly because of the political vision, i myself served in the naval forces of the armed forces of ukraine and i can say that i remember the beginning of the independence of ukraine - this is the first half of the 90s and well, this is a feeling of possible countermeasures. it was, it was, and there were such cases

when, er, ukrainian and russian forces were very close to the military before opening fire. well, for example , it was in the early 90s. as the odesa city naval base in odesa in april 1994 was taken under control, there were there were no military forces used there. well, there were no casualties, but force was used because looting began there. but i think that it was mainly because russia was not considered a potential enemy, and it was considered rather neutral by a neutral state. this was a political attitude, a political assumption . i remember that in the 10th year, for example, with yanukovych's coming to power, uh, well, this one was the worst, because by the 10th

year, from the fifth to the 10th version of the scenario, well, aggression from the side of ukraine was from the side russia to ukraine he was a, but in the 10th year, he was expelled from o, so uh, this is a political issue, and i, well, russia, we know that it acted as a hybrid, and therefore, ah, it was precisely the political leadership that was also in uh, let's say in the sphere of uh -e in the field of influence e-e contacts and so on, that is why this was the situation thank you mr. andriy thank you for participating in the conversation this was andriy ryzhenko, an expert at the center for defense strategies , deputy chief of staff of the navy of ukraine in 2004-2020, friends, this was the verdict program it was conducted by serhii rudenko, we will meet with you tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. tomorrow i will have valentin nalyvaichenko on the air twice head of the security service of ukraine and people's deputy of ukraine colonel of the sbu roman

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