divided by sector for a second, i will interrupt you. can we summarize for you that in general, during the occupation in the early stages of the city, well, if i were to say the government of local self-government, it was effective, it worked like that, and this applies not only to buchi, but also to other settlements, i will wake up because i am speaking more because i was directly present there, so the local self -governments, thanks to the successfully implemented decentralization reform, proved to be ready for this significant challenge, and i hope that now we need to deal with reconstruction reconstruction, and you know about the initiative of the city of kyiv and the mayor of kyiv, who appealed to the mayors of the kyiv region with a proposal to provide assistance to the reconstruction, because these settlements were an outpost of the defense of kyiv, and they

suffered the most, and i did not i understand why you don’t focus on reconstruction right now, but you are focusing on other issues, let’s take your question and we will just forward it to one of the authors of this lawsuit to the police, viktor barkholenko, a resident , i will train a local activist, mr. viktor, and you too welcome to our vitaly. good morning. can you hear us? i think we will add him to our airwaves. for now, i will remind you that there are complaints against the mayor . if i may, it is also interesting for us to understand whether this matter, if it takes a certain course, will not become a certain precedent. actually, because such accusations can be addressed literally to all city and village heads of the kyiv

region at least. we are assured by the central government that nothing will calm down, get ready to go to barbecues, there is no need to worry, there is no need to panic . well, on the other hand, there are your accusations against mayor buchi, saying that he was not new before what happened on february 24 and that's why there were a lot of victims. it's the number of parts. in fact, that means he wasn't ready to fulfill his powers that happened in our country. it 's me personally.

the state during the review of the administrative borders of poland is not present in this case, our chairman of the processing commission, the highest official of the student self- evacuation. the population of this party, you understand here when it was already here already there, it was very difficult for the authorities, children and local people but we had a long time 24 february 3 march when our national bank was not yet counted, it was possible to

evacuate the population without risking their lives, health and safety. to the official website of the city council, this is a small peace, but in this way, we left our time cut, you understand , because they did not know how personally, mr. mr. viktora. i understand correctly that on february 24, they would already have been in gostomeli. on february 24, there were already battles on the outskirts from

vorzel to buchi. i will ask here this is the question then, if there were no assurances again from the minister of defense, from the chairman of the national security council, the secretary and the chairman, as well as from the president, the day before i remember very well that literally a day or two before the invasion, mr. reznikov said that the invasion of on the part of belarus, it is impossible and it causes laughter. i remember this as i was in zhiguli. i was in lviv at that moment. i heard it and thought it was funny.

why don't you then send your claim to the central authorities, because if they had warned in advance that such risks are absolutely realistic and we would have announced mobilization earlier and earlier because we would have announced the evacuation of the civilian population. there would certainly be other consequences . they asked, instead of the 27th, we already have combat operations, you understand, and there is jerusalem, yes, that is, there is already an armed vehicle and a direct evacuation commission, it

will be 40, in particular, directly in front of the citizens. well , there is a big risk the international champion, sit down or walk, walk, save your life, and we, how was it, accepting old people, old ideas, more ? why, why? how handsome he is, like he is a movement, then on the

third of march he raised the flag in line for everything , that is, in this way, they remained under the slides, went looking for bread, investigated them, as they say, yes, of course, it was possible, but she can reduce the fact that she was performing her direct duty in the minibus communication and protection of the interests of the life and health of the local population that's all and that's it. i'm bad, it's just that they all heard your position.

directed here, there are certain questions, mr. oleksandrovich, would you like to add something to what was said? i want to emphasize the fact that evacuation is not so simple, and it does not happen. in my work, very often all the responsibility for everything bad is on the local authorities. this is wrong. i explain why it is impossible for the local authorities to carry out any actions until the moment of receiving reliable information to save the lives of the residents. the functions are the first, the second point, i will tell you now directly when the convoys were already e-e evacuations

, there were many e-e, accordingly, e-e, there were shot cars on the side of the road, that’s exactly e-e, those people, their number could have been much greater if without the knowledge of e-e clear e -e instructions where the enemy is located and this actually did not happen e-e the number of victims could have been higher, therefore the evacuation on march 10-12 was organized absolutely correctly in all parameters when the corridors were agreed upon and when it was possible to avoid a large number of victims yes yes many people e-e not their own discretion and were large traffic jams were leaving bucha, respectively, but where were safe crossings, where were safe roads, the local authorities simply could not know about this, i was present, according to the city executive committee, during this

period, lack of communication, lack of clear instructions, lack of guarantee of safety. understand -e what e-e for example one corridor yes from three to five thousand inhabitants how to accompany it at the beginning of the war e in buch i emphasize once again that there were 53,000 inhabitants this is not so it is very easy to do at the same time, as a colleague here, he is talking about the fact that already on february 24, it was necessary to build everyone in columns and decide where to lead them, in which directions they should be led , so it is completely out of time here, and i emphasized the fact that local self-government took a hit on itself and did not inherent in them if we talk about the organization of public power, but thanks to the professional activity of local self-government, it was possible to avoid significant casualties and you can

see how the settlements resisted and provided defense in this way. let's talk, the mayor was beaten, let's talk about motyzhyn, where the elders and the whole family were killed. what about the fact that we keep statistics of 54 mayors, since february 24, they were captured and subjected to torture, and to date, six more mayors are in captivity. and everything else is very easy to assert from the side why it is easy for me now to comment on this topic much easier than other colleagues i was directly in buchi from february 24 to march 13 and was a participant in the event as well as humanitarian aid others member cities of the association of cities of western ukraine handed over to ubucha irpin and arranged vorzel and other settlements as drivers from chernivtsi

drove by under fire and broke through to bring us yeast, respectively, because they were running out of products. then those people who made bread were shot. our aggression , which is absolutely justified, should not be directed at the local authorities, which helped the residents with all our efforts, but at the putin federation , who did it, and now the biggest task it is ours to rebuild these settlements, to rebuild not only housing, but to rebuild the infrastructure and strengthen the military is doing its job, local self-government is doing its job, that's the point, what i would like to share with you . on the air more than once

. thank you for the expressed positions. viktor barkholenko was a resident or a local activist, one of the initiators of a lawsuit against the police against the mayor of the city for the fact that, uh, he seemed to be self-taught from the evacuation organization and oleksandr slobozhan, executive director of the association of cities of ukraine, was with us. thank you. we are moving on. and on our airwaves, there will be a conversation with vitaly kulyk, a political scientist and director of the center for the study of civil society problems, and dmytro sherenguvskyi, an expert on international issues and vice-rector of the university of ukraine. before we start with them, i want to share with you yesterday i saw a beautiful video, it appeared on youtube, er, a russian peep, some of their father blogger released a video, where is he i understand because the russian church is now being launched on new journeys, however, ukrainians, russians, are once again a brotherly

people and we must stand shoulder to shoulder, what is interesting is that this russian pip spoke in a beautiful ukrainian language, let us listen to him, if we are going to fight further, only with this, not with a ukrainian word, not with in the ukrainian language, not with the ukrainian soul, not with the ukrainian family, not with the ukrainian church, with nothing ukrainian that is good and holy, but only with that ukrainian that has become american and only with that which americans they learned to direct their weapons at us with ukrainian hands, here we must definitely solve the problem more

delicately , they are starting to work... was a-a served in the army, he studied in lviv, where he has such a beautiful ukrainian language although he studied at a school with russian teaching, his last name is tkachev, if i'm not mistaken, his name is andriy, his parents they really dreamed that he would be a soldier and he went to study at the moscow suvorov military college. well, and on, and on, and on, and then, and then something happened to him. he believed terribly in god. well, now he believed in that god who is in russia, that orthodox moscow patriarchy and now, as you can see, they have decided, you must be there at the beginning of your sermon and talk about the fact that no one will take you away from shevchenko, right ? do you know who skovoroda is? i know, and

no one will take away your language, but for some reason he says yours, you see, that is, he is from lviv, as if he is ukrainian, and he says yours because he probably already considers himself a russian, he says that no one of your traditions will not take away from us such common traditions, i just remember the soviet times, there were not too many people of faith in russia, and their traditions are generally very, very poorly preserved, but a new song started about the fact that this is america, that we have to fight america, and no not russia we are being bombarded, well, let's definitely move on to a conversation with our cultures, what are these new things, what are these new introductions, what are the russians trying to convey to us in the ukrainian language, mr. vitaly kulyk , political scientist, director of the center for the study of civil society problems, reminds us and also dmytro shargorodskyi, an expert on international issues and the

vice -rector of the university. was allegedly filmed in ukrainian on the motive of katya in mariupol, and everyone wondered what kind of approach this was, why exactly. they began to enter in this way. what is the target audience? it is not clear, but in this video, of course, the arrow was shooting. the audience is the so-called laymen or believers of the russian orthodox church. churches in ukraine, they have a similar vision of the situation, at least those who belong to the church are close to the clergy of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate. and this is what they write on social networks, what is broadcast now in

in many closed chat rooms of the moscow patriarchate, the popes of the moscow patriarchate are saying this in the face of the general public, not in the media , but hm, to their parishioners that it is the americans, that it is a war that kills a lot of people, that it is political, that it is politics, what are we, brothers, that everything will end, that’s right saying one of the elements of this propaganda through the church moscow church in ukraine propaganda of the russian world and it is precisely in this way that it is worth considering and i am surprised that our government has not made final decisions about the activities of the country's church the occupier and did not put it, she certainly did not leave certain legal accents in this matter, but well, what if we saw similar things then? to die it was already

written there that the poltava diocese is ukrainian of a certain church and, in fact, the same narratives spoken by this peep were written there about america ruling the ukrainian government and similar things. therefore, this is the narrative that is preserved and the moscow church continues it without giving up. on paper, they allegedly already separated from the russian church from patriarch kirill, but in practice they continue to serve these standards, which are voiced in ukrainian by russian priests. they decided with their orthodox church, they said that she, uh, in them, uh, this russian orthodox church is forbidden, plus he also mentions how there are a few uh, supporters of the russian world, or for of russian origin, or who went out into the street,

they tried to sing katyusha, and immediately they were tied up by the police, they were terribly unceremonious . they say christ is risen, christ will rise in time of war, we see that the parishioners of this church of the moscow patriarchate calmly go to some asylums there , and there are many of them, these are people who, well, are citizens of ukraine, and besides, we see some onufria there who sympathizes with the terribly captured russian soldiers and wishes them good health. they will return home as soon as possible. do we see it or do the authorities see it? what should we do in the end? why do we not have such determination regarding these people who clearly carry the ideas of the russian world? - and going to

some kind of pardon and their crowd, why don’t we do the same as the latvian police, which does not show ceremony and shows where the place of russian peace is in their country, although their country is not yet at war, i hope that there will be neither in it nor in fact, he said that this one is enough specifically legal issues, that is, we currently do not have such a restrictive decision, if there is no restrictive decision, then in principle the legal system is for citizens, not for civil servants, for citizens . a public organization, especially a church or religious one that is separated from the state life of a collaborator tom or some threatening organization , and until this is clearly defined, there is essentially no some additional legal tools

, including law enforcement, how can we influence the situation, that is, we still need to take a step forward, so do these basic legal mechanisms, only this can be included in some way, but at the moment we see what we see with with these moves, it is really very unfortunate and several times there were also in various centers and churches belonging to the moscow patriarchate, so not only there propaganda was found but whole, let's say, such training centers for potential splits in different territories of ukraine. that is, this is a complex complex issue. yes, but here, without rules, without any, let's say, there is no legal basis for another way to deal with this. the only thing is that the citizens themselves, here we are. we

can reach out to each other and say well, let's open our eyes and tell the truth, but we understand that with a certain category of villians, it will be almost unreal, with you we have by the way, this letter is interesting from one of the heads of the security service of ukraine, the main department of the security service itself in kyiv and the kyiv region, it was made public on the left bank website, and it says that the deputy head of the main office of this unit, yuriy palahnyuk, uh, very briefly, says that there is a dangerous process and the transition of the uh, moscow patriarchate of the diocese to under the jurisdiction of the orthodox church of ukraine and that this is dangerous because it is accompanied by various conflict situations and can be fanned by the russian federation as their

special services to destabilize the situation in the country and also the coverage of the fact that here they are pressuring the russian orthodox church for their propaganda purposes, what do you think about, or we, on the one hand, feel it and the pressure of time in particular well, which really requires some solutions well, we see well, we actually see the church enough in the russian state machine and its branch is in ukraine, and it looks like it’s not okay during this invasion from the other side. well, you can understand to some extent the reasoning of the security service of ukraine, let’s try it in this way too, comment uh, i don’t know where to start, vitaly, let's take you. as a person, i am absolutely not galvanized, almost an atheist, i want to say that in general, the question of some kind of artificial or

administrator or state administration, who goes where, to which church, to some profession is wrong, here you should agree with it, the more imposition somehow one church that goes to the right and also to the wrong because this is the way to the state and religion and the nationalization of the confession and here is the fact that a large part of the marians and priests of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate is essentially the russian orthodox church especially in the non-liberated territories, they expressed a desire to go to the orthodox church of ukraine before the ptu, this is natural, because people who were under occupation, for example, near kyiv, and there was a church of the moscow patriarchate, seeing that they fled or accepted the occupiers with bread and salt, decided at the local level to go to the orthodox church in ukraine, there are quite a lot of such cases

. for example, there are cases when church property is seized by force, for example, there is a collision, but by and large, the decision is made by a memorial who do not want to deal with the moscow church anymore, and here in this it is only necessary to facilitate this, it is necessary to help, and not to make any additional administrative resistance, it is necessary to reduce the possibility of using force as much as possible, but to give the opportunity to the laity themselves to decide which denomination to belong to, this is already their right human rights, primarily religious freedom, and not its violation or persecution, the state should only regulate this process to a certain extent, direct it, give some frameworks, not to force, but not to prohibit. then it will be a normal process and a reduction in the risks of excel, mr. dmytro, i can add that many religious communities and actually our

orthodox colleagues. yes, i can only tell you that in this situation, also a teacher of greek catholics, they really want and call for this transition so it took place as much as possible from the side of individual communities and parishes, so that is, they do not see the very important argument of many leaders, so that if we really exert some kind of pressure and pledge, it can only bring a lot in the long run difficulties yes. that is, we understand that it will be a long process, it will be a more difficult process, it must be said, it must be pushed, if there are any legal mechanisms that can be created actually in order to reach the very status of the church of the moscow patriarchate, it is also possible to work with this, but the transition must take place really absolutely liberated yoga, we

literally have two minutes left, i offer one more minute just joke quickly in express mode . we can do something about it if you wash it off very briefly, sir. now let's start with you right away , we can draw one conclusion, that is, russia is being humiliated as much as possible, but it is very, very necessary for her, so we see that uh, in fact, china is dictating some certain conditions, and moreover, it is imitating on my point of view is actually such a partnership, cooperation says that this is a partnership and cooperation, but in fact it is limited to very small steps and a little help discount on gas, as mark foul said well in his comment to vitaly you literally have half a minute to comment on what was created

as a political club. this is not a military er alliance - it is not some kind of interstate customs union. the member countries have completely opposite interests. tajikistan and kazakhstan are using heavy weapons, seizing villages is taking place, and all these countries are members of the sixth, and something is not capable of solving this situation, problems, the situation on the border, etc. that this is a political club in this club, russia has stopped playing any system-forming role, they have fully taken over this role , well, china is trying to have its own hirshet turkey, therefore, in this history, the meeting between tsimpin and by putin this is really a friendly pat on the shoulder, er, china pretends that nothing is happening, although these smiles and nods