which can be used by soldiers on the battlefield and can be used by robotic platforms, and this system is extremely protected , it is used repeatedly in the army of sweden and in a number of other nato countries, and in fact, this product was offered to our military now, as i understand it, the interest in it is greater greetings . we previously claimed that there are statements by our officials that we were preparing for war. we knew that there would be an attack, and then, of course, the question arises: why were the issues of pre-supply not resolved then ? there, the enterprise of creating duplicative capabilities , why were they not ordered there for pre-assembly, which are then needed for the repair and manufacture of equipment, why is there a lack of bulletproof vests, why is there no ammunition production there, and such a wide range of issues that the question arises whether we were really preparing for war. what is your assessment of this before state of war and why we entered into hostilities in such a state. well, i can't give you a

specific answer for the last months and months until february 24, because at that time i was not in power, i was as a person who is engaged in production at enterprises, but i can tell you that this is a question hmm, about the fact that we are preparing for war , in fact, war, war. are you going? they say the active phase there is from february 24, so the war is always going on and we must always be ready for war, for example, i, uh, well, well, i got to power there in 2007, two thousand uh, in 2008, well, in december 2007, and well, the method then they already said that i'm sorry , please, well, there is a system, uh, we can do it there the soviet union well, but there was a system of mobilization tasks, mobilization capacities , the maintenance of the joint reserve mobilization. by the way, it

was still working when the general director of the malysheva plant was there. every year, through the ministry of industrial policy, we were compensated a certain amount of funds for obtaining mobilization capacities and mobilization reserves, but uh and we supported it somewhere until 2010. yes, there were fewer enterprises that remained on the list, but they were still working in some way. the state reserve worked with many corruption scandals there but it should have been reformed and not destroyed in general, it should have been carried out in accordance with the way it is all over the world, for example, why is a separate state enterprise necessary to store grain, which then must be eaten when there are a bunch of private enterprises, you can sign an agreement with them and keep the grain there, and there is no need to bring a state warehouse and an elevator, the

same with, for example, metal products, why keep it there in the state when every private enterprise has a warehouse and will pay for storage, it will be kept by the state reserve needed reforming and a draft law was prepared for reforming and instead everything was destroyed and she said why do we need to spend money there? why do we need mobilization capacities ? you and i understand who came to power in the 10th year. why was everything destroyed, but i don’t understand why since 2014. when i repeatedly said that the guys need to restore the ministries, one thing needs to be restored , or how does it differ from the politics industry or the ministertech industry, for example, from the ukroboronprom, and the fact that in no regulatory act on the creation ukroboronprom, for example, in the law or in the law on reformation, you will not find such a concept as mobilization capacity, mobilization reserve, or there, for example, a state secret, something was accused in our

country of the state authorities, which were responsible precisely for preparing for war, created ukroboronprom, the dsr leaked abroad. i think it may even now throws out and these questions related to preparations for the war were destroyed, they were simply taken there , transferred there, uh, mechanical to the ministry of economy, and the ministry of economy, well, it’s, excuse me, there and the grain reception points are that too there is a reserve somewhere, well, no one personally, well, no one specifically deals with this seriously. that is, we arrived in such a state and came. that is, de facto , we can say that in fact, we did not prepare for the domain, and in terms of offensive and expansion of production, we are most needed samples of weapons, i will repeat myself about non-residents and ammunition and so on. it was as if they were standing on the stream and expected what it should be must have as they say in reality why did it not happen? well, you see now how many people are being exposed in the

authorities who have already been proven worked for the russian federation, some of them are being prosecuted there. and how much of this is still not being phished, that is, we have so much. well, we have such a serious penetration of state authorities by agents of the russian federation that they always found ways in one way or another to destroy step by step our state, the organizational structure of the state, i.e. well, there is such a slogan, the people love him, let's save money there , let's reduce the number of officials there. do you remember, for example, they eliminated the sanitary service there? and what did we do, and i say once again that they have been destroying us organizationally for the last 30

years under good slogans, for example, i see that without communication it is impossible not only to conduct combat operations , it is also impossible to conduct an e-program yuri, if you can hear me now, i would like to ask you how is sweden preparing for war, are there mom reserves , how has this powerful defense-industrial country built a system for creating a reliable industrial complex and stimulating manufacturing weapons of any conditions, well, this is an extraordinary complex issue. of course, i am not not allowed to participate in any mobilization activities, but what i see. for example, our office is in principle on the territory of the former garrison . and since last year, there are already

recruits there. you know that in sweden it was a conscription army, then it was abolished, it is given in the 11th or 10th year, and now it is updated, that is, it is a conscription vice, young people, boys and girls. that’s how they are in principle since last year so active already they are taking over new old premises, but there is such a thing as a fancy thing, it’s something like this, the actual pro was copied from this structure, how can you say, well, actually, these are territorial units that even have their own aviation, that is, the tereo of sweden, well, in ukrainian i'm translating it into an envelope, it has its own aviation, its own artillery, its own armor , the technique is, well, it's parallel in principle, the structure

, yes, that's what i see, and in principle, regarding the industry, i can tell you such a thing or share such an insider, what do you do? do you want eh yesterday i i was at one very, very serious enterprise , which, in principle, opens new and industrial capacities precisely in order to help us. well, i mean in ukraine. that is , it is a global process and, in principle, the industrial capacity of the swedish nuclear power plant. he will now be on this the reel to work, including for ukraine. well, of course for sweden, but the country will also be very surprised by what will happen, and by the way, sweden itself treats ukraine as such, a partner or a country that will consume swedish weapons

swedish aid, that is, is there an understanding that it is possible to reach the level of partnership relations and the creation of joint projects, or is this not yet the issue, but the issue is simply the dissatisfaction of the primary needs of the ukrainian army, you understand. this is an extremely pragmatic relationship, it is necessary to understand that ukrainian enterprises can give the swedish good in fact, what can ukrainian industry or science, but i didn't mention this triangle for nothing, uh, science, industry, the armed forces, because it's like a single organism, in principle, it's me, that's how it works in this world, i mean normal countries, everything is in principle eh hmm well , it is normalized, yes, what i want to say is that it is necessary to understand what ukrainian science or industry has to offer, and here it is not for nothing that we mentioned the gift of po and these these neocris and the like rents so because

without this well, believe me, no gripens, no archers, none of this can happen in principle, well , then, if we are talking about the prospects for the ukrainian defense and industrial complex, mr. vitali, we survived ramstein, ramstein, it was said about another package of military aid, and it was also said that after a certain time there, in particular, there will be a new event and meetings of deputy defense ministers of nato countries, the united states, and 50 other countries there, which will create a so-called new defense industrial cooperation in order to manufacture weapons and to restore their own e- in the loss of needs and to meet the medium-term and long-term needs of the armed forces of ukraine. so, i have a question whether we have ways or opportunities to involve our defense industry in this new world military-technical cooperation, which is beginning to take shape precisely against the background of the confrontation of russian aggression, what steps can be taken on our part, uh,

thank you very much for the question, uh, unfortunately, from our side , representatives of the ministry of defense of ukraine and uh and the participation of people engaged in production, well, not from the administration of the industry, not from the ministry of economy, not from private companies, no one is involved in these negotiations, therefore, our military, they ask only those questions that concern them and which they are worried about at the moment, if we do not change our approaches and do not involve in these negotiations those developers and manufacturers of equipment under the leadership of the central authorities who are responsible for this, then unfortunately again it will all pass without us. that is, all western countries will unite without us to produce weapons both for ourselves and for us, so i

urge, using your broadcast, i urge our authorities to hear what you just said and immediately react that the group that is in rammstein should include representative bodies authorities that are responsible for development for the production of weapons and military equipment. well, apart from this project, we expect almost no lend-lease, and you remember that we once discussed with you what we are talking about lend-lease as military aid, and actually in view of the historical experience is a long list, these were technologies that our country can maintain there, and new equipment. and actually, this is precisely the opportunity to ensure such a restart for our defense industry. troughs, when we talk about our domestic defense industry, well, that’s right, it’s absolutely funny that they noticed that lend-lease, which was there during the second world

war, if you read what was included in this package , then most of it was raw materials component products, and already after that they were ready and produced. unfortunately, none of us, uh, no one from our country, at the moment, does not ask questions at these negotiations. i now want to buy as soon as possible armor for the production of heavy armored vehicles in ukraine, they won’t sell it to me as soon as germany and norway and finland do not sell it. for some reason, they have a ban on supplying us with armor 8 or more millimeters thick, in fact, the guys tell us we will bring everything to you, we will provide you with everything, you do not need to engage in production. and the armor that they

offer us, well, it can be made either with bulletproof vests or light armored vehicles, which seriously does not affect the range. from our side the defense of our interests, which is in the military and not in industry, it is not in the ministry of economy, it is not in the administration, well, the president can’t speak for everyone, let’s say so, demand it, give it, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, that is, experts should work, unfortunately, they all do not work they do not understand that the economy is such a component and the military-industrial complex is the same component of the security and defense sector, they understand that they will give us everything, they will give us everything, while you fix production, the war will end even if it does, even if the war ends, no one says that he the war will not happen again and that they need to prepare for new both collisions p yurii how do you comment on

vitaly's words about the fact that sweden, well , in a certain way, almost interacts with the ukrainian side and it is possible to open the cards a little bit, which companies are still ready for today to cooperate in ukraine as a supplier of weapons or as a partner, new models have been created. well, there is really nothing surprising here, because sweden is an export country for you and no one wants to pay such competitors, knowing what the ukrainian industry is capable of. we we understand very well that we will add some components, er, critical components, for example, with everything, here is swedish steel, or something else, some microcircuits, for example, er, there are american or any other ones, and we will get an export-class product, but of course , nobody wants to do it for themselves competitors, i am saying that this is an extremely pragmatic relationship. yes, they,

well, the nato country, sweden, in general, will and want to use modern weapons for ukraine for protection, of course, but in the long term, no one wants to have a very serious competitor in terms of uh, rhythm of weapons. and as for who and which companies, yes, almost all companies, i mean uh, literally yesterday, we talked with one company and well, i didn’t hear that anyone refused, in principle, everyone is ready, that’s actually just hmm what is needed for ukraine was hmm thunder is unlikely to be needed now ukraine even hears that it will simply not be able to work as it should, that is, the first thing is what ukraine needs now realistically, and secondly, it is the possibilities of industry to produce because now hmm, whose global crisis is it in principle

companies are big, i mean companies, er, the smallest ones, in this one they depend on the warehouse stocks of critical equipment and this is, in principle, limited, the only limitation is that there are no other restrictions, there is no power, there are smart people, everything is here, components , this is, in principle, now a problem, but it is being solved little by little and in in principle, there are positive signals. so, in principle, everything will be fine. and who is currently financing these projects that sweden wants to implement? it is precisely from this package of 1.5 billion that was agreed upon there at the beginning september in copenhagen, that is, there is a financial driving force behind this initiative, well , i don't have such information directly, but we can connect two points and talk about it, it is definitely swedish, for example, it is the state budget of

sweden, so simple, but what are the resources, what are the interactions there at the level of the ossetian treaties, you know that as an expert country there are some obligations for imports for imports for exports, in principle there are, i think there are certain agreements regarding the financing of this, but for today it is the state budget mr. vitali, he is now talking about the need to form some kind of strategy for the survival of the ukrainian defense industry, and there are three options for the development of the type of events: transfer ukrainian enterprises to neighboring friendly countries of the european union. joint ventures with those companies that participate in the rammstein initiatives there. well, the third option is to establish the installation there of modern weapons that have shown their effectiveness

using our defense enterprises. you have laid out these cubes from the point of view of what is most needed, what is realistic if unrealistic in the current conditions, you know, uh, none of these options uh, uh, doesn't work, uh, uh, definitely. first, you need to answer the question what are our armed forces ordering until the armed forces sign contracts for at least three years, which is currently allowed by law with our manufacturers, everything you said does not work, who. so, look... the owner is a private company or there is a joint-stock

company, then these are the owners who own this enterprise, on the basis of which the decision is made to lose or spend funds for preparation for development for production preparation on the basis of the contract, on the basis of the order, the technique is calculated, the economic justification is made, and the decision is made if there is no three-year order, so there are none with no one, there are no customers. there is an order, give it today for yesterday, if there are no such contracts , please tell me which owner wants ground campaign, i want a domestic company, on what grounds will it spend money on the preparation of production, no one will do anything, because if it is a state company and the director of coercion e-e at his discretion, well, let's wipe out a million 2 10 100 million for the preparation of his products, the contract will not be signed tomorrow the controlling body will come and say that you did not

use the funds effectively, you will be responsible by law for causing damages to the state, if these are private enterprises, a decision will never be made. if you do not do you understand when the money will be returned to you, some people set a payback period of three years, some 5, some 10, but everyone has a payback period, if there is no contract, there is no order, there is no payback, no one will invest, and they calculate money abroad even more strictly therefore, neither the first nor the second nor the third option that you mentioned will not work if our armed forces do not switch to a normal 3-5-year planning and to sign a contract, no one says that it is necessary to sign a three-year contract today and to pay 100% of the prepayment for the entire value of the contract, we are talking about the fact that the contract must be signed for three years and the money paid well, for example , a batch of products shipped there was settled

, other batches were shipped, settled with someone, it will be a monthly shipment with someone, it will be a quarterly shipment, but you need to understand the general the volume of the order, the total amount of funds and calculate the payback period until there is no option that you say does not work well, then, on the territory of ukraine, not on the territory of sweden, or on it does not work anywhere on the territory of poland. well, then we are talking about the fact that the future of the ukrainian pc is quite pessimistic, because in fact no one counts time by three-year standards, the military is betting on foreign weapons, then it turns out that the only possibility for the survival of the ukrainian pc is to switch to the maintenance of foreign equipment which is supplied in significant quantities, at best, to provide current repair of these samples this perspective of the ukrainian defense industry is not quite yes not quite yes, i can to say as a matter of fact, ukraine will simply find its niche

where there is good potential, professional, purely professional, e.e. well, for example, that is, software code or something that does not require large investments in material assets e.e., for example, franki or something like that, just find your production and will be installed in a very long chain. this is a matter of extremely complex systems now, and any, even if it is your own system, which consists of a large number of components of people, needs the market for daily e-e routine work upgrades when and so on, that is, i wouldn't say that it will be, well, it won't be a failure, where in principle i wouldn't look at it selfishly, there will simply be

reformatting and found news of niches. i'm wrong, send me, they 'll just leave because it's a structure. well, i don't see such structures here in the west working effectively at all. i don't see it at all. that is, all the companies in sweden that have been supplying e-e weapons for decades are state-of-the -art, they are all private and we know that long-term contracts without unconditionally. it is simply impossible in a couple of weeks today to tomorrow to develop a complex modern complex that needs years and the like, this is absurd. of course, no minimum three-year contracts with phased financing . certain

goals, just like that, we literally have two minutes before the end of the broadcast. i would like to ask mr. vitaly what do you see as the future of the ukrainian pc in view of the pessimistic scenario that i drew yura is trying to understand, but what do you think our pc will be like in a year ? and my mood, on the contrary , is optimistic because our armed forces are doing very important work for us, they are proving on the battlefield that our weapons are very effective and that they are winning this war not only with weapons that are given to us by the west and our weapons i would even say in to the majority, our weapons are now showing their effectiveness at the front, so as soon as we win and

the hostilities end, i think that we are already more openly talking about what is happening now at which enterprises, what is the queue of foreign customers will stand for ten years to come and at that time we get three-year contracts and five-year contracts, whatever you like, well then, thank you for this interesting and difficult conversation, in fact, it is possible for our viewers, eh, but first of all, thank you for the optimism, and mr. vitaliy and mr. yuriy, and i will remind our viewers that on the air of the espresso channel was vitaliy ne gracious, the head of the all-ukrainian union of employers of machine builders of ukraine, as well as yuriy voytenko , the founder and head of the swedish company vervelas pitupi technologies, which supplies its products to the swedish army of the low nato countries, it was serhiy izguryts, stay on the espresso channel, 17-year-old

nastya okopova, who disappeared in the spring in the city of izyum, kharkiv region, managed to find nastya, for the first time in these months she was able to get in touch and she wrote a message to her friend katya to me a message comes very briefly that i was able to get in touch with katya, that is, she has had the internet for the first time since march 5. they wrote that everything is fine, that they are holding on and that she is very sad and hopes that everything will end soon. actually, katya stopped us one of messages that nastya wrote to her and let's see how she was able to get in touch . her story let me remind you that nastya disappeared in izyum and even before her

disappearance in voice messages, she told her friend what horror she had to go through and now we can hear nastya's voice , she sent this message to her friend at the beginning of march, then nastya was in the city of izyum, where very heavy fighting was going on such basics. that night , we fell asleep. god, i didn’t even take off any of my clothes. i don’t want anyone to sleep in the basement. i don’t want anyone else to sleep in the basement. just sleep in your bed, they are not afraid of anything else, she goes to school since the beginning of the fighting nastya and her family hid in a shelter and in march they finally decided to evacuate, but since then the girl has not been in touch and all this time nastya persistently, without losing hope, was looking for her friend katya, who has now been forced to leave abroad, this really touches the core of her soul. this girl, who

is still a child herself, did everything possible and impossible for several months to find nastya, and she believed that her friend ziva was alive and healthy and eventually to get in touch with separately then she asked us to show this is her appeal to nastya if i really hope you see this message i am very worried about you because it is already the fourth month without you and i am very worried about you and your family and sashka so be please, just if you can get in touch, i will tell you that you are alive, that you have food, drinking water, clothes, and that you have a roof over your head, that everything is fine with you please just say that you are alive and i will be the happiest and imagine the girl's joy when, after several months of searching for i absolutely and unknown, suddenly she received a message from nastya that everything is fine with her and that she is alive, honestly, yes, when i saw her, on all

messages in telegram, two ticks, yes, i was so happy, especially when she wrote that everything was fine and katyusha and hearts and some of our signature phrases, that is, i understood that it was her and everything was still fine at the same time. unfortunately, nastya did not say where exactly she is now, because the connection was broken again, but for now, of course, the most important thing is that nastya made herself known and said that she is alive and is with his own brother and parents and finally i am asking you please go to the website of the child tracing service all these boys and girls are missing look carefully if you recognize someone call our hotline 116,000 from all mobile operators calls are free also write to the chatbot of the child tracing service in a telegram