thank you, everything is a normal call. well, that is also clear. yes, the secretary of the izyum city council informed us about the successes and problems of the heroic city. does a lot for this. what we learned from the secretary of the izyum city council is that in fact the russians are turning ukraine into a desert quite deliberately, it's not that they didn't understand something there before, look what i i was struck by the last 3-4 days after kryvyi rih, this was earlier, they were constantly shouting at us to understand here in ukraine, but i didn't understand. they said we only target military facilities. we never shoot. and now it's already on the central channels of those public organizations they show, well, it's so inhumane, it's terrible, it's simple. well, they

sign some verdicts for themselves. they think they're stupid. and by the way, let's talk about it with valery ryabikh, a military expert from defense express. let's go. congratulations valery. good health, sir. valery, what will happen after this in the offensive of the ukrainians in the kharkiv region, what should be the next actions, what will be the next actions in your opinion, well, after the offensive, now it seems that a new stage is coming for its development. and of course, at the moment, one of the main tasks is to establish at the reached borders eh to find out eh possibilities for the further development of the offensive eh and the enemy's most vulnerable directions because the enemy in connection eh with this panic flight eh well

enough lost power as already this one plane and military equipment, because the fact is that the troops that, well, fled with shame, they are demoralized, and they still need to be brought back to order, so that, against the background of the fact that the enemy did not have enough reserves and he did not know what to do with the third corps, which was never fully formed, where to sculpt it, therefore, at the moment, i think that the armed forces of ukraine will continue to carry out development, and there may be some surprises, including because the enemy expected linear actions and we even we saw the demonstrative liberation of some settlements in the depths in order to lure er

units of the armed forces to disadvantageous lines and after that er it is possible to counterattack, but we see that currently er the command of the armed forces understands that the dynamics on the battlefield and er are enough well, i think that we should expect stabilization of the situation in the kharkiv region and the solution of the issue and defense of defense at the achieved borders, plus look at what tactics are used in order to carry out the further liberation of the occupied territories, that is, the kharkiv region. well, the regions adjacent to it , along with this, we see such a powerful dynamic in the kherson direction

. -e similar actions, er, will make some kind of decision, and well, in the next week, maybe we will see some dynamics changing the situation, so far the situation has stabilized and the tension has been reduced a little after the successful counteroffensive valery and now let's imagine ourselves as russians, it's difficult, i understand, but we need military games, it's necessary that you do it in the place of the russians, where they are capable, look how proud we are of the recent successes of the ukrainians, but russia retreated, but kept the army, the army, at least the people they are i don’t know what they are in their heads and not here. i don’t care, but the people remained, it means that they can be

retrained somehow and sent somewhere again. what would the russians do? how do you imagine the actions of the russians, because they kept their army, they still have a large economy are there any ammunitions, where are they, are there more shells, are there any machine guns, i don’t know tanks, what, where can we expect an offensive or something so dangerous for ukraine. well, the confusion is the time of the offensive. and a short time after that, when we see that the enemy is coming come to your senses and have already resorted to the familiar tactic of terrorism , attacks on civilian objects, and this is the first reaction that could be expected. i think that

this is not for anyone. it is a secret that the enemy will try to expand precisely the application these frankly terrorist tactics, frankly those actions that fall into the baggage that will be loaded on the international criminal court regarding the military question. i think that for now the enemy will still concentrate on keeping zaporizhzhia region in order to prevent the armed forces of ukraine in the direction of, say, melitopol, in order to, let's say, dissect this group, this is one of the directions where they will try to hold the defense. and of course, they will try from a military point of view, like me i think it is necessary to continue actions in the donetsk direction

in order to, after all, well, at least from a formal point of view, concentrate on those minimal tasks that they formally and officially declared the capture of luhansk and donetsk regions is currently the enemy's, in principle, he is regrouping his forces and distributing those reserves accordingly. there is separate evidence that part of it was transferred to the zaporizhia direction. well, part of it went to the donetsk direction , and i think that because of a certain time when they come they are regrouping, they will try to strike, and there are also not many options there, where they previously allegedly succeeded in advancing

eh on well, which, after all, unlike the ukrainian counteroffensive, eh, was calculated there by meters, eh, and not tens of kilometers yet one question, see valery. as far as i understand, the majority of military experts agree that there is an environment in the kherson area, and i have a question , because the ukrainian army, as i see it and we are all convinced, does not want to fight like the russian army. is wary of the bombing of kherson, i can hardly imagine from the ukrainian side, but all the experts say that it will be a week two at most three when they will be able to stay surrounded there, they will simply run out of water , food, ammunition, gasoline, etc.

i don't know the soldiers there, officers or generals or whoever it is, they come to our special bodies with the question of how to surrender, that is, they understand the possibility of such further steps, from your point of view, how long can you stay in the area kherson or anywhere, it doesn’t matter if there are people around you when you don’t have supplies of food, gasoline, etc., etc., will the russians build an air bridge and drop some food there, as it was in berlin and as it was before that in stalingrad when there paulus sat down and it means to him that hitler sent there for food and the rank of faldman is important and yes. so, i apologize, they gave the

enemy the most geographical position on the one hand, eh, of these forces, and on the other hand, just the wrong decision of the enemy regarding their reinforcement, eh, just eh- when during the phase of introducing the enemy's deception, he realized that the main thing was not to defeat the attack here , and transferred part of his combat units here from the kharkiv region, and having strengthened this group to more than 20,000, he killed himself the hm is defeated precisely in the issue of logistical support. because there is such a paradox here, the more troops there are, the more they need to be provided, and if there were fewer troops , the question would be, let's say, in those conditions, what is

more uplifting, but security see this grouping 20,000 troops and some kind of air mastals in the conditions of active opposition from the armed forces with in the conditions of active action of the air forces of the armed forces of ukraine in this area and the air defense forces, well, this is not an easy task at the moment against trying to solve the point there by dropping some minimal supplies in helicopters. well, i think that one more of the main tasks of evacuating the wounded is being solved, but it is such that it is such a drop in the ocean. and in the current state, the reserves that were formed er, it is possible in advance, er, and in that including thanks to the active influence of the ukrainian artillery, they will be exhausted, and we are really

talking about weeks, and in the future, there are no big options, except for trying to flee from there by swimming, and even not only without equipment, without weapons, because with weapons you can’t surrender or surrender. and here the commanders who are there on the other side are cut off from the main forces from supplies. they still understand this and understand this against the background of the decline of the morale of their we saw the troops that in some areas the enemy withdrew his units deeper into the defense because the commander understands that with the current morale and psychological state of the troops, they can't

hold back, valery, one more question. please excuse the last one. i just read it candles , moreover, i read three endophiles. but in candles, uh, this is a famous military theorist of the soviet and russian 20s. they were definitely shot in the 37th year, but it’s like a textbook on how to fight and how not to fight, and when i read it, i thought, listen to your general headquarters there is even a chair named after svechenna they did everything the opposite where it is categorically impossible to do it they did it where it was absolutely necessary to do it they didn't do it i just looked i have hair well, they are gone now but if they were they would fall out in a second they are just there the textbook is specific why are they idiots can you explain maybe they just don't lead the troops maybe the troops are led by the fsb well i

just sat there everything is just written step by step step by step p4 do the first second third today no way i can't do it in my own case they everything was done the other way around, well, the thing is, the question is not about military art at the moment, and in conditions where the political leadership, the military-political leadership, is directly involved in the leadership on the battlefield. i still don’t know what forces are connected to this. and when er, the military initiative, their understanding of what they were taught at the academy is paralyzed by the fear of some non -fulfilment of this order that comes from above. of course, it leads to er such wrong decisions. well, i will say that on different from that

situation that exists in ukraine, because at the moment we have sufficiently developed management according to the nato methodology and the fact that the institute of sergeants has been created and such a situation has been created that everyone in his area can make decisions within the framework of his competences regardless of any er let's say political er factors or something else and only from the point of view of er well er of what is needed on the battlefield in this there is precisely an advantage and in essence well for us it is good that they manage the kherson group directly from the kremlin well, with such leadership, we hope for a quick end to this group and further victories of the armed forces of ukraine. please tell me about the new american aid and the absence of a

new american road, what are we talking about long-range systems, what will change the presence of new american weapons and what will change is the absence, so far everything is fine, i understand that one day we will reach a situation when a decision will be made in the united states to transfer e-e more remote cabin systems and this is just right will be caused by these er crimes committed by the military every day and by this terrorist group of a terrorist state er because one of the blue factors along with the fact that we are asking to give us air defense missile defense will not solve the problem of those sna-terrorist actions, they can only be solved by means of deterrence when the

enemy will know that he will not go unpunished for his attack, and even those forces that will be fixed in the area of ​​deployment on the territory of russia federation they can be destroyed and that's it the main thing that can change is when the adversary begins to understand that all his actions will go unpunished , this situation can change dramatically, but at the moment i understand that we are concentrating on the supply of the necessary things that the armed forces currently need to implement precisely those tactics and strategies e what ee what are the armed forces doing at the moment and this is the gradual and confident destruction of the enemy group, the advance and the solution of the ee task of liberating the territory

the previous e-e was adopted, it mainly contains exactly the means e that are necessary for the operational support of the armed forces of ukraine in their actions to destroy the enemy . first, i will ask vitaly portnikov if you don’t think that it is worth it on behalf of the ukrainian people. maybe, for example, that zelensky should do it. is it the two of us that doesn’t matter to putin for his lightning-fast, brilliant management troops in ukraine on ukrainian territories, which greatly helps the ukrainian army to overcome resistance. i think that he deserved it from the ukrainians

. general musa may have earned it from the russians, but from the ukrainians . kherson is strongly controlled, if you don't remember the first and last generalism of the soviet union, his stalin , yes, he was still a member of the military council of the front during the civil war, the best, but in he will always be in a way that the poles did become an independent state, but still some military experience that he had was so and so . yes, yes, there is not even a phenomenon about what military experience is. well, this is real. okay , let's go further. anatoly maksyuta, president of the economic and discussion club good health,

mr. anatoly, congratulations. good afternoon. i have a military-economic question for you. military and political, and here i have learned that in your opinion, there is an understanding among western leaders that the sooner they will help ukraine militarily, the sooner ukraine will be able to overcome russian aggression, the faster the economic burden on western countries will decrease in terms of financial aid to ukraine when the war simply ends and reconstruction is, after all, a recent, weekly, monthly supply of both money and troops and military equipment and military equipment. ukraine may need less money. but this it will simply ease the economic condition of the countries of europe and

north america, what do you say? well, i think that if they were to express themselves conceptually, they would probably understand it, but then there are the details, and that this war affected not only ukraine, it actually affected the whole world and, well, well these things are especially energetic, they certainly affect not only the costs, but also the macro situation in these countries, including the social situation, and they, of course, sometimes it is difficult to take practical steps , although we see that in the second half of this year aid from western countries has improved and er hmm i think that her determination is increasing with each step and it is obviously clear that prolonging the war

er will be very difficult for the west and for ukraine and for the world economy actually. therefore, i think that there is an understanding of this aid in these countries, and we see it in the communication activity of our heads of government with their western colleagues, and we also see an understanding there, both from a military point of view , from a financial point of view, and from a legal point of view, because in the end it seems to me, well, besides us we are really saddened to look at these destroyed houses and the people who were forced to leave, but the biggest blow is to the economy. today we can see this from the reports on the draft budget. and actually,

something must be done about it. we must finish and start reconstruction , but what can the west do, we complain very much often on the lack of weapons or the sluggishness of supplies ah , but i have not heard criticism about the fact that, after all, its international funds, americans, european and funds and states help. can they do something besides simply supplying money to ukraine of ukraine, because ukraine, at least in the words of president zelensky, wants to share energy, for example, if there are surpluses in the winter period and ukraine will sell energy to europe and so on, something ukrainians can get from the europeans besides money, maybe gas. i just don’t know, i didn’t dive in here on this topic , what can they do for us? i think that the ukrainians

do. supplied to ukraine well, it is actually financed from the budgets of these countries, therefore, these weapons that we receive are actually provided to us, but they pay for their budgets, secondly, they accepted our refugees, who also receive certain assistance and accommodation and so on, certain conditions, uh, well, as for the future, again, uh, during the war until it ends, well, in my opinion, i think you will agree that uh, the most important thing is the armament. and as for the next steps that are needed think already today in terms of reconstruction, in my opinion

, first of all, western governments should support their business so that it goes to invest in ukraine, because the situation is like guarantees, like insurance, because today, in fact, the money that goes, it goes to support the war and to support of the current current situation, the actual bringing of the most necessary payments from the budget and this is what is available today, but not with foreign business with investments not going to ukraine because it is clear why because there is a war going on here and even today it is not only investments, even trade is complicated. because some importers do not want to bring goods here because they do not know what will be the fate of this product, they may simply lose it. that is why they need

insurance, they need guarantees, etc. well, unfortunately, today we have this process of creating such institutions of ukraine, it has only just begun, and well, we know the export credit agency, which can insure export contracts, but it was very difficult to start, although we as economists have been talking about it for many years and about the creation of a development bank and export credit agency and other institutions which, in the conditions of uncertainty, would take on themselves, uh, these should be state institutions, which would take on these risks, because, well, any investor should see how to insure their risks, so today, but unfortunately, ukraine will not be able to insure everything by itself. therefore, in my opinion, it is necessary from the side of the western countries

that they also insure their investors with the help of their institutions. they have such institutions, they work, they work successfully, and they insure and they were doing this for many years ago, they should have joined this process, anatoly, one more question regarding the budget for the next year, the ukrainian budget, where is approximately half of the money for weapons, this is rational, this is correct, you would be satisfied with the budget if you were the prime minister and submitted this budget to the verkhovna rada so that you can change it there , did you change it, do you think it is more or less ideal for this time of war? well, look, if you take a classical approach to the budget, so to speak, then of course as a person who has been involved for many years i drew up the budget myself, well, i am very dissatisfied with this

budget because, well, in many ways, but if you look from the point of view of the specific situation that has developed in the country today, in fact it is a war budget, if you even look at the numbers, uh, we have a state budget of 1 .2 million, and defense and security spending is one and one trillion one, roughly speaking, that is, the money that our economy collects today and can actually spend it. at the expense of e-e borrowings and get the majority of these borrowings there over 90%. these are foreign loans and we must get them in order for the

state to perform its most necessary functions. during this period, the state authorities were functioning, there was health care education, that is, and even the government does not propose an increase in the minimum wage . that is, it is a certain certain freeze at the same time what, what are we talking about if, uh, gdp this year, uh, according to the forecasts, we should fall by more than a third, by 33%, well, that's uh, well, that's a lot, it's us i have never met such a budget. actually, this budget does not even exist. i would say that it is not a budget year. this is the budget that they have made. now they are being discussed with deputies from the imf and it will be launched, and then obviously it will need to be constantly monitored and constantly put into it. changes because well, the economic potential that was

calculated is not a fact that it will be realized. and maybe it will be a little better. and maybe they will give us the money and maybe they won't. well, i hope that they will give it and then it will be necessary to adjust it all. we we can talk about some monthly, not even quarterly, monthly budgets, and with the aim of looking further. and what will happen, well, somewhere approximately like this now, and business is also looking at we thank anatoliy maksyut , the president of the academic discussion club, the former acting minister of economy, and so very gradually, but we will persistently convey the word to the charming angelica sezonenko, who will acquaint us with what is happening in ukraine and the world as a result of the russian shelling of dnipropetrovsk and daughters, unfortunately, are killed and wounded among the civilian population