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to the espresso channel, when the ukrainian military will start making himer son or something no less cool than its own development of such issues of current real seems to be too optimistic and premature, but in fact, unique conditions are now being created for a complete reboot of our defense-industrial complex and at the expense of lend-lease and at the expense of new initiatives of european countries, there are all prerequisites for obtaining new competencies and opportunities to develop and manufacture new types of weapons and equipment that will be needed by our army in the long term . countries may be the most

accepted for us, do you know the answers to these questions, we will try with expert guests from our military program, my name is serhiy zahoretskyi, i am the director of an information consulting company defense-express-a- my interlocutors today are vitaliy the ruthless head of the all-ukrainian association of employers of machine builders of ukraine and the head of a number of defense industry enterprises. vitaliy, we are glad to see each other, as well as yuriy voytenko, the founder and head of the swedish company wireless - pitupi technology, which manufactures high-tech technological products which are used in the army of sweden and in a number of nato countries. congratulations to yury. thank you for joining the broadcast. good day, mr. vitaly. i will start with you and start with a simple one. today they discussed the next package of american aid there, they were proud of what we will receive, we see that we are getting another package

of american aid there, belyhammers, high - precision projectiles, etc. defense today, thank you for your question, mr. serhii well, first of all, i want you and our tv viewers and everyone who hears us to understand that defense, the industrial complex is a component part of the national security and defense sector, so i won't be able to give you specific answers on such a broadcast with you, what is our defense doing today, that is, i can say that i will give answers to such general questions first of all, our defense industry is currently engaged in preserving er production

facilities, personnel potential, preserving the er capabilities to produce products because our enemy is insidiously destroying er all cells of the defense industry, so i won’t say who and what can assure you that the military-political leadership of the country at the moment already fully understands that it is necessary to engage in its own development, it is necessary to finance its defense-industrial complex, it is necessary to finance its army, and it is already engaged in this, but the question is that miracles does not exist, unfortunately, in the world, and if there is a technological cycle from development there to production, which is calculated there sometimes in decades, sometimes in years, sometimes in months, then this technological cycle goes on and, unfortunately, we need it now

it should also be taken into account that we need to restore those chains that were destroyed by our enemy. for example , we are all happy that the city of izyum was liberated from the invaders by our military, but on the territory of the city of izyum there was one of the key enterprises of our country, for example, instrument-making companies, which made various devices for those controlled there. of anti-tank missiles there, it was completely destroyed, there is nothing left of it, one of the problems that we are currently dealing with is restoring production and devices that were produced at this enterprise. and this is not it it will not be a simple question. such devices can be produced by not many countries in the world . at the stage of its neutral status, it ensured the

unique development of its defense industry there, and howitzers, howitzers, and howitzers. in love, other systems are actually related to sweden. what unique recipes were used by the swedish leadership that ensured such advancement and what are the recommendations are adaptive for the current existence of the ukrainian pc p yuriy, we have lost connection and then when we will actually establish a connection on a new issue . and state industry, what role does mr. tych prom play, which is well known to you, ukroboronprom, the ministry of defense, is there any normal distribution

of the area of ​​responsibility, or so far in fact the main emphasis is placed on the ministry of defense, and the industry is still drawn to the initiative of the military, what is it in this triangle of administrations, prom in the cobra and the ministry of defense , unfortunately, unfortunately, i can say that the leading role of the administrative industry is not yet there, although i believe that it should to be and all normative legal acts of the legislator, normative legal acts must not must exist in such a way that it should be the leading role of the ministry of economy of ukraine ministry of strategic industries unfortunately for the ministry of defense, well, in some government documents, ukroboronprom is recorded as trying

to do something. well, who? who is an interesting customer for you? ukroboronprom is not a customer. ukroboronprom is a coordinator for state-owned enterprises. i personally communicate with the manager and he calls me. dialogue, if something is needed, i can do it, then i will do it, but the problem is that they are not the customers of the state defense order of the contract . 90% of private enterprises that still exist in ukraine are not involved, for example, a hundred, perhaps, thousands of owners and managers of machine-building enterprises,

devices of construction enterprises of other enterprises would be ready to participate in this cooperation, but ukroboronprom by virtue of its er, well, it is such an economic structure as hers, for example, my company there, it cannot unite us, only the administration of prom or the ministry of defense can unite us, er, as far as i know at the moment, the role of the administration about the language the management is coming back and getting involved a little bit in coordinating this work, unfortunately for the new complex, we will write who is doing what. well, today he is trying to do it . of the state body, give the telephone details , the address of the company, write what they do for the defense-industrial complex. everything must be done in closed mode, in secret mode, that's all. the coordination of the report should take place in the same way .

the kharkiv offensive operation was being prepared there, for example, that 's why i knew a little bit about the administration of prom, let's say, it is starting to perform its functions of coordinating all public and private enterprises. so far, this work is being carried out. it is already being conducted then, after all, i will now repeat the question to mr. yury, because the connection was lost, you must have heard the question, i.e. what recipes can sweden have that would speed up the transformation of the ukrainian defense industry even in the conditions of hostilities, the recipe, please yuri well, this is probably the most important recipe that sweden has, specifically, it is probably the triangle of interaction between science in industry and the armed forces. where this

triangle is extremely effective is in sweden. this is a guarantee that the newest developments that you are talking about i said that because of the gripper and many, many other things, and they are basically implemented in the armed forces and give new opportunities. what are the priorities for state entrepreneurs or is there an absolutely different format of interaction between the customer and the manufacturer? what is happening in sweden? well, of course, there is no ukroboronprom . there is such a structure. compare, but i’m pushing it a lot, because it ’s very similar to a gift, you know. that is, it’s a structure that, in principle, sets strategic

tasks with a long horizon . and even with the result when the scientific result is, in principle, not always the result of iron, i.e. well, as they say, a negative result in science is normal, this is also a result, because we saved time, very seriously, this is probably significant, which can ukraine should take it from sweden, that is, vitaliy, i would like you to comment on yuri’s words, do we actually have to pay attention to this swedish experience? are we actually not up to it now? and we should at least stabilize the production of current weapons samples and repairs, but when we we will look beyond the horizon. thank you for the question. well, first of all, i fully

support everything i said to yuri and uh, it is about the fact that non-legderps in ukraine are necessary, and you know, mr. serhii, that for a long time, uh, and by decree of the president, the teachings of the cabinet of ministers have been given of the minister of technology to create an agency of the state agency for development according to the analogue of a blow, but unfortunately, when i worked there, we had discussions that were not very constructive at this time with my colleagues about what the time has now said to yuri, that's what everyone in us says that we need to save budget funds there, and that is why we do not need another state agency. and we need to create a legal entity there in the form of an enterprise, if only. the agency at the end of the day is to carry out

the assignment of the president, the presidential decree and to create it and to start work, but if it is created in the form of the same, eh, managing the entity, how are the documents prepared again, i always said that it should be a state-law agency, why exactly because of what yuriy said, because the funds for it, well, for scientific developments, also give a negative result. and this is normal. when, uh, this happens, the main thing is that it was definitely not stolen, if they were not stolen. the swedish agency he has the right to sign the act that we tried to find a solution we tried to find a solution we did everything honestly in accordance with the knowledge we currently have but we could not get positive results and this matter is closed with a negative result and that's normal i personally signed dozens of such

documents in previous years there in 2008-9-10, when our scientists received a negative result, after that certain bodies checked the legality and direction of the allocated funds if the funds were spent, honestly, that's fine, everything is over. yury tymoshenko will create an agency in the form of a partnership and he will be given these funds and he will spend them with a negative result, then people in uniform will come and say why did you spend state funds and get a negative result, you caused losses states and their uh, well, let's say so, they will be brought to justice, that's why such people in your gifting subjects will never even undertake developments where a negative result is possible, they will take what already exist in the world and we will again use the funds inefficiently because we will not receive anything new. thank you, mr. yuri, you were in contact with our

ministry of defense even before the active phase of hostilities and after this large-scale invasion, you will have a rather specific and interesting but have you changed relations and the attitude of the ministry of defense towards foreign products, are there any more flexible dynamics of interaction? has everything remained the same, well, this is a somewhat provocative question, of course, as it was, it is no longer there, but i will say that there is where else to improve this process, in principle, it is quite personalized, you understand. it depends on who is with whom in which department, in what structures in general are more or less flexible, and let's say people with as p vitaliy said with a normal attitude to a negative result well, i am so conditional there is, in principle, such a pre-war system still left.

well, for example, the product that we manufacture or offer is perceived somewhat, well, cool, but we don’t have time to understand, at least you, serhiu. you understand very well what the specifics of combat operations are in general today it is extremely dynamic and without reliable secure channels of communication and data transmission - it is impossible in principle, but i say personalized very well, that is, i will explain to our viewers that yuriy represents a company that has developed a system of such uh-uh secure data transmission uh-uh which can be used by fighters on the battlefield and can be used by robotic platforms and this system is extremely protected, it is used repeatedly in the army of sweden and in a number of other nato countries and actually this product was offered to our the military now, as i understand it, still has a greater interest in this, but that is, congratulations. we, uh, previously claimed that there are statements of our officials that

we were preparing for war. we knew that there would be an attack, and then, of course, the question arises: why were the issues not resolved then? regarding the redeployment of enterprises there or the creation of duplicative capabilities , why were orders not made there for pre-assembly, which are then needed for the repair and manufacture of equipment, why is there a lack of body armor, why is there no ammunition production there and such questions so much a wide range of things, let the question be whether we were really preparing for war, what is your assessment of this pre -war language state, and why did we enter into hostilities in such a state? i wasn't in power at that time, i was a person who was engaged in production at enterprises, but i can tell you that this question hmm is about the fact that we are preparing for war, in fact, war, war. are you going, well, there is someone

says for centuries, who says for decades, who says since in the 14th year, the active phase is said to be from february 24, so the war is always going on and we must always be ready for war, for example, i, er, well, to the authorities in fact in 2007, it will be in 2008. well, in december 2007 and well, the method then they already said, excuse me, please, well, there is a system, er, we can there, the soviet union. well, er, but there was a system of mobilization tasks, mobilization capacities, maintenance of the mobilization of the common reserve. by the way, she was still working when the general director of the malysheva plant was there for us every year through ministry of industry politicians compensated a certain amount of funds for obtaining mobilization capacities and a mobilization reserve, but uh, we supported it somewhere until 2010. yes, there were fewer enterprises that

uh remained on the list, but they were still working in some way, the state reserve, he worked with many corrupt people there scandals, but it should have been reformed and not destroyed in general, it should have been carried out in accordance with how it is all over the world, for example, why is a separate state enterprise necessary to store grain which then it eats up when there are a bunch of private enterprises, you can sign an agreement with them and keep the grain there and you don't always need a state-owned anga elevator, the same with, for example, metal products, why keep it there at the state when every private enterprise has a warehouse, pay for storage he will keep the state reserve needed reforming and a bill was prepared for reforming and instead everything was destroyed and she said why should we spend money there? why should we spend on mobilization

power, you and i understand who came to power in the 10th year. why was it all destroyed, but i don’t understand why since 2014, when i repeatedly said that the guys need to restore the ministries, one thing needs to be restored, or how is it different from the politics industry? is my strategy industry, for example, from the ukroboronprom the fact that in no normative act on the creation of the ukroboronprom, for example, in the law or in the law on reform, you will not find such a concept as mobilization capacity, mobilization reserve, or there, for example, state secret, something with us well, but of the state authorities, which were responsible precisely for the preparation for the war, created the ukroboronprom, where it leaked abroad. i think it may be even now being thrown out, and these questions related to the preparation for the war were destroyed, they were simply taken there, transferred there, er, mechanical to the ministry of economy, and the ministry of

economy, well i'm sorry, there are also bread reception points, it's also for reserves, well, no one personally deals with this seriously. that is, we came in such a state and came. that is, de facto, we can talk about what in fact, we did not prepare for the domain and for the e-e offensive and for the expansion of the production of the most needed types of weapons. i will repeat myself about non-vests and ammunition and so on . you see now how many people are being exposed in the authorities who have already been proven to have worked for the russian federation, and some of them are being prosecuted there . by the agents of the russian federation that they always

found ways in one way or another to destroy step by step the state, we have the organizational structure of the state, that is, there is such a slogan, the people love him, let's save money there , let's reduce the officials there. that 's normal, normal. let's reduce it. you remember, for example, they eliminated the sanitary service there. and what did we do, and i say once again that we have been destroying the organizational service for the past 30 years under good slogans, for example, i see that it is impossible without communication, not only combat operations lead and it is not even possible to run a program, uh, yuri, if you can hear from me now, i would like to uh, uh, ask you, uh, how is sweden preparing for war, is there a

sea reserve, and how, in this powerful defense-industrial country, a system of creating a reliable defense industry has been built of the complex and stimulating the production of weapons under any conditions, well, this is an extremely complex issue. well, of course, i am not not allowed to participate in any mobilization activities, but what i see . of the garrison, uh, so this garrison was restored, and since last year there are already recruits there. you know that in sweden it was a conscription army, then it was abolished, it was given in the 11th or 10th year, and now it is updated, that is, it is a conscription vice young people, boys and girls. and they, in principle

, have been developing new and old premises so actively since last year. well, there is such a thing as fancy . -e but in which there are even its own aviation, that is, the stereo of sweden, well, how can i translate it into ukrainian, it has its own aviation, its own artillery, its own armor, equipment, that is, this is, in principle, parallel to the structure, yes, this is what i see, and in principle, in relation to the industry then i can tell you something like this or share such an insider, what do you want? yesterday, i was at a very, very serious enterprise, it turns out, which

, in principle, opens new facilities and industrial ones precisely in order to help us. well, i mean in ukraine, that is this is a global process and in principle the industrial capacity of the swedish nuclear power plant. he will now work on this reel, including ukraine. well, of course, sweden, but the country will also be very surprised by what will happen, and by the way , sweden itself treats ukraine as such, a partner or a country which will consume swedish weapons and swedish aid, i.e., is there an understanding that it is possible to reach the level of partnership in relations and the creation of joint projects, or is this not the issue yet , but the issue is simply the non-satisfaction of the primary needs of the ukrainian army, you understand this is an extremely pragmatic relationship, it is necessary to understand that ukrainian enterprises can give swedish ones, well, actually, what ukrainian industry can

do or science, but i did not mention this triangle for nothing, science, industry is like the armed forces, because it is like a single organism, in principle, this is how it works in this world, i mean normal countries, but i mean everything in principle hmm well, it is normalized, yes, what i want to say is that it is necessary to understand what ukrainian science or industry has to offer, and here it is not for nothing that we mentioned the gift and these these niokrs and the like leases, yes, because without this, well, believe me, no gripens, no archers, none of this can happen in principle, well, then, if we are talking about the prospects for the ukrainian defense and industrial complex, vitaliy, we survived rammstein rammstein, it was said about the next packages of military aid, and there was also it is said that after a certain time there, in particular, there

will be a new event and meetings of the deputy defense ministers of nato countries, the united states, there will be another 50 countries that will create the so-called new defense industrial cooperation in order to manufacture weapons and to restore our own e-e in losses and needs and to meet the medium-term and long-term needs of the armed forces of ukraine . the new global military-technical cooperation, which is beginning to take shape precisely against the background of the opposition to russian aggression, what steps can be taken on our part, uh, thank you, good question, uh, unfortunately, from our side, all the negotiations are taking