in kyiv, for the ukrainian defense and industrial complex, mr. vitaly, we experienced rammstein on rammstein, it was said about the next packages of military aid, and it was also said that after a certain time there, in particular, on september 28, a new event and meetings of the deputy defense ministers of nato countries of the united states will be held there there are still 50 states that will create a so-called new defense industrial cooperation in order to manufacture weapons and to restore their own e-e loss of needs and to meet medium-term and the long-term needs of the armed forces of ukraine. so , i have a question: do we have ways or opportunities to involve our defense industry in this new global military-technical cooperation that is beginning to take shape precisely against the background of the resistance to russian aggression, and what steps can be taken on our part thank you for the good question. unfortunately, on our part

, only representatives of the ministry of defense of ukraine participate in the negotiations. of the economy, no one from private companies is involved in these negotiations, that is why our military asks only those questions that concern them and that concern them at the moment, if we do not change our approaches and involve in these negotiations those developers and manufacturers of equipment under the leadership of the central authorities the authorities who are responsible for this , unfortunately, again, this will all pass without us. that is, all the western countries will unite and produce weapons for themselves and for us without us. therefore, i urge you, using your ether, to urge our authorities so that they hear what you just said and immediately react to it in the group that

rammstein has, it is necessary to include representatives of the authorities responsible for the development and production of weapons and military equipment. well, in addition to this project, we also expect lend-lease and pam you know, we once discussed with you that we are talking about lend-lease as military aid, and actually, in view of historical experience, this is a lend-lease, it was technologies that our country can receive there and new equipment. and actually, this is just an opportunity to ensure such a restart for our defense industry, how should we approach lend-lease so that, relatively speaking, we do not remain in a broken trough when we are talking about our domestic defense industry? war, if you read what was included in this package , then most of it is there. it was raw materials, components, and already after that they were

ready to be produced. at these negotiations it's a disaster for example, i 'll say maybe i'll surprise you there p yuliya eh this for example, if i now want to buy armor for the production of eh heavy armored vehicles in ukraine, then it will most likely not be sold to me , and who will not sell it and eh germany, norway, and finland for some reason, they have a ban on supplying us with armor 8 or more millimeters thick . you can make either bulletproof vests or light armored vehicles, which are serious, does not affect the range why yes, why is this so, first of all

, because we do not have that resolute determination on our part to defend our interests, which is present in the military and not in industry, the ministry of economy does not have it in the administrative spheres, well , the president for everyone, let's say so, demand, let's give it, so, so, so, specialists must work, unfortunately, they don't work, they don't understand that the economy is such a component and the military-industrial complex is the same component of the security and defense sector, they understand that they will give us everything, they will give us everything. and you, until you fix the production, the war will end even if yes, even if the war ends, no one says that there will be no war again, and that he does not need to prepare for new both clashes yuryu how do you comment on the words of vitaly regarding the fact that sweden is almost cooperating with the ukrainian side in a certain way and it is possible to open the

cards a little, which companies today are still ready to cooperate in ukraine as suppliers of weapons or how did the partner create new models? well , there is really nothing surprising here, because sweden is an export country there and no one wants to pay such competitors, knowing what the ukrainian industry is capable of, we well understand that we will add some components critical components, for example, with all this swedish steel, or something else, or some microcircuits, for example, american or any other, and we will get an extra-class product, but of course, nobody wants to make themselves competitors, that's what i'm saying, it's extremely pragmatic relations yes, they, well, sweden in general will and want to supply state-of-the-art weapons for ukraine for protection, of course, but in the

long term, no one wants to have a very serious competitor in terms of the rhythm of weapons. i talked to one company and well, i didn’t hear at all that anyone refused, in principle, everyone is ready, it’s actually just what ukraine needs what ukraine needs now realistically. and secondly, it is the opportunity of industry to produce because now it is the global crisis of which it is. in principle, the company is large. well, i mean the company is the smallest in this one . in

principle, this is limited, the only limitation is that there are no other limitations, there is no power, there are smart people, everything is there, there are components, this is, in principle, now i have a problem, but it is being solved little by little and, in principle, there are positive signals. so, in principle, everything will be fine. well, somehow there. and who is currently financing these projects that sweden wants to implement, this is precisely this package of 1.5 billion that was negotiated there at the beginning of september in copenhagen, that is, there is a financial driving force behind these initiatives, well , i do not directly have such a topic we can definitely do it for sweden, for example, the state budget of sweden is so simple, but what resources and interactions are there at the level of ossetian treaties? you know that, as an expert country, there are some

obligations, for imports, for imports, for exports. in principle, i think that there are certain agreements regarding the financing of this, but for today it is the state budget. vitali is now saying that it is necessary to form some kind of strategy for the survival of the ukrainian defense industry, and there they write these are the three options for the development of the type of events to move ukrainian enterprises to neighboring of the friendly countries of the european union, er, the second question is to emphasize the creation of joint ventures with those companies that participate in the rammstein initiatives. well, and the third option to set up the production of modern weapons samples there that have shown their effectiveness using our defense enterprises, etc. how would you lay out these cubes from the point of view of what is most needed, what is realistic if unrealistic in the current conditions, you know, uh, none of these

options uh, uh, work uh first of all, you need to answer the question what are our armed forces ordering until the armed forces sign at least three-year contracts, which is currently allowed by law with our manufacturers? everything you said does not work. saying, who prepares production preparations, spends money on their own enterprises, if the owner is the state , then everything is produced by the state, if the owner is a private company or there is a joint-stock company, then these are the owners who own this enterprise, on the basis of which a decision is made to lose or spend funds on preparation for

development on preparation of production on the basis of the contract, on the basis of the order, the technique, economic justification is calculated and a decision is made if there is no order of three-year there are no low ones, there are no customers, there is an order, give it today for yesterday, if there are no such contracts , then please tell me which owner wants a ground company, i want a domestic company, even if from a state company, on what grounds will it spend money on production preparation, no one will do anything because if it is a state company the company and the director of the premises at their own discretion well, let 's spend there a million 2 10 100 million on the preparation of production, the contract will not be signed tomorrow, the controlling body will come and say that you are not effectively used the funds, you will be responsible by law for causing damage to the state, if these are private enterprises, a decision will never be made.

if you do not understand when the money will be returned to you, some people set a payback period of three years, some 5, some 10, but everyone has a payback period if there is no contract there is no order, there is no and there is no payback, no one will invest, they also count money abroad more strictly, therefore neither the first nor the second nor the third option that you mentioned will not work if the armed forces do not transfer to us strength for normal 3-5-year planning and for signing a contract, no one says that it is necessary to sign a contract for three years today and pay 100% of the advance payment for the entire value of the contract, it is about the fact that the contract must be signed for three years and the money must be paid well, for example there, a batch of products was shipped and settled , another batch of shipments was settled for someone, it will be a monthly shipment for someone, it will be a quarterly shipment, but you need to understand

the total volume of the order, the total amount of funds and calculate the payback period until there is no option that you say it does not work in ukraine, not in the territory of sweden or in the territory of poland, it does not work anywhere well, then we are talking about the fact that the future of the ukrainian pc is quite pessimistic , because in fact no one counts time by three-year standards the military bets on foreign weapons, then it turns out that the only possibility of survival of the ukrainian pc is to switch to the maintenance of foreign equipment, which is supplied in significant quantities at best to ensure the current repair of these samples this perspective of the ukrainian defense industry is not quite yes not quite yes, i can tell you as a matter of fact that ukraine will simply find its niche where there is good potential professional purely professional eh well for example yes , that is, software code or something that does not require

large investment itself in material assets, for example, there are francs or something like that, just find your own production and it will be incorporated into a very long chain. actually a system that consists of a large number of components, we need markets for daily e-e regular work upgrades when and so on , that is, i wouldn’t say that it will be, well, it won’t be a failure, but in principle i wouldn’t look at it that way, selfishly it would just be reformatting and finding the war of niches and those e-e companies, this one was like a defense industry as i understand it. maybe i 'm really wrong, they will just leave because it's a structure. well, i don't see here in the west that such

structures work effectively at all. i don’t see. that is, all the companies in sweden that have been supplying e-e weapons for decades are all private, and we know that mr. vitaly said long -term contracts without conditions. years and the like, this is, well, this is absurd, of course, not at least three-year contracts with phased financing, uh, where are there, in principle, normal markers, indicators of the effectiveness of achieving certain goals, just like that, we literally have two minutes to the end of the broadcast i would like to ask mr. vitaly what do you see for the future of the ukrainian pc in view of the pessimistic scenario that i drew

, which yura is trying to understand, but what do you think our pc will be like in a year two years from now, considering what impression that we do not influence the formation of his future, you know i have a pessimistic mood, i'm just telling the truth, i say what i think, but my mood, on the contrary , is optimistic because our armed forces do very important work for us, they prove it on the field fear that our weapons are very effective and, er, they are winning in this war not only the weapons that the west gives us, and our weapons, er, i would even say that in most cases, our weapons are now showing their effectiveness at the front, so as soon as we win and the hostilities end i think that we are already more openly talking about what is happening now at which enterprises, what is the queue of foreign

customers that will stand for ten years ahead, and at that time we will receive contracts for three-year and five-year contracts, whatever, then thank you for this interesting well, in fact, the conversation is possible for our viewers , but first of all, i thank vitaliy and yuriy for their optimism, and i would like to remind our viewers that on the espresso channel, vitaliy was the charming head of the all-ukrainian association of employers of machine builders of ukraine, as well as yuriy voytyn, the founder and the head of the swedish company varist piup technology, which supplies its products for the swedish army of the low countries of nato, it was serhiy zgurets, stay on the espresso channel to help quickly with back pain, you need a powerful action against pain dolaren gel comes to the rescue and

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first world war, she was just as small and became the first female officer in the world, 15% of the ukrainian army - these are women, with their work, courage, honor and courage, they proved that they are no different from the other 85%." good afternoon, friends, we are starting the self-government program, how and what, on this thursday, 12.12, on our watch, you are watching a channel with a ukrainian view of the world from the press. as many people as possible were seen in the broadcast, we are talking about them and we are talking about people in our communities , cities, villages who are now being liberated by the armed forces of ukraine, in particular, and all the rest, we are all watching

this and are happy. please also write in the comments. what communities, cities, villages, and write your thoughts, they are very important to us, and you can also watch espresso on the air. small communities in which big and not small people live, as sveta loboda said. so, we will continue today, of course, we will talk about kharkiv oblast. i will remind you that a week ago we all froze and witnessed a magical counterattack against the armed forces of ukraine in kharkiv oblast. they began to liberate villages and cities using the factor of suddenness to return them home precisely in kharkiv oblast, while the enemy concentrated forces and means in kherson oblast and was waiting for a possible counteroffensive there now, well, the information is

changing very quickly, already more than 300 settlements on the people of kharkiv returned home, they were freed from the occupation of the russian armed forces of ukraine, we thank them very much for this, and already more than eight thousand square kilometers of ukraine have returned home under the control of the ukrainian authorities. well, for now, stabilization measures are being carried out there, as they are called, the first to enter are military functions, sappers , volunteers bring people who for 5 months did not see anything, e.e., basic bread, pads, hygiene products, everything, everything possible, because they had nothing to say at all. well, let's talk with the local deputies with us are dmytro drobot , a member of the chuguyiv city council and a volunteer from kharkiv oblast dmytro, i greet you good day you are traveling

all over kharkiv oblast as a volunteer now please tell me the latest information you have on how many settlements have already been liberated from occupation i am not currently in the kharkiv region, but i am constantly helping with various situations, including today from lutsk. chatter, but uh, they received information from the locals that, in principle, there is already enough of this help , and they asked to switch to the villages. well, there is less of a city, where there was no help before this help, in general, uh, i have the same information as the official, apparently, as well er, other ukrainians from the general staff. but i can only

say that a large number of villages are vacated, vacated, er, under the border with russia, and there are now our troops, our teros, they are divided into sectors, and i am engaged in er, well, let's say, they are clearing the territory from e-e war e from occupation which was for six months and here is still interesting . such a thing is that those cities that were more or less pro-russian well, there are such villages, i will not name them, so there, when our soldiers enter, they do not find these camps, which have already been talked about a lot they said, for example, in a city like balakleia, there were as many as three of these cats, and where people were tortured there, they demanded to rewrite business, apartments, cars were taken away, and so

on. of them it's been a long time, uh, someone can't just find each other. many people were in the occupation and didn't know at all what was happening here in ukraine. no one knew. the majority didn't know at all. they didn't hear anything about the situation in mariupol. in general, what is going on? eurovision continues, and ukraine won something, well, in general, ukrainian news did not get into the occupied territory, we also see information that many people are looking for their property , cars, cars, cars, cars, cars, cars, cars, cars, cars, cars, cars, etc.

were in garages and they just stayed there on february 24. they did not leave. these cars that were not covered were not driven out by the russians themselves. they remained in the owner's garage, but unfortunately the russians stole them when they were fleeing . video to take with you, as they did in other territories occupied there, in particular, kyiv region, sumy region, and what else is known. what crimes did they commit there? they robbed the local population, which is now recorded. well, you know, it is very difficult to contact the locals by phone. the connection is still very bad, i am there to speak two or three sentences. i have to call back several times to hear the internet

. well, there are no power outages at all, so we will not receive a lot of information yet, well, only we have when you go, you talk to the locals yourself, but there is probably a very painful nuance about which we still need to talk a lot, but i already started talking about the fact that the locals are in such an information vacuum, and this was a sign for those people who partially or in general well, they were forced to go to well, we call it cooperation with the russians, but we need to understand that these ukrainians who find that in the occupation, well, probably some did not have the opportunity, for example , to buy products or did not have their own gardens and they were forced to communicate with the russians and the russians they told the ukrainians that as soon as the ukrainians come they will

liberate, if the ukrainians come and liberate this territory they will kill them and many ukrainians believed everything and that is why a large number of our ukrainians even i know several cases about which unfortunately, they cannot speak for people who had a strong opinion of the ukrainian position, they believed in the propaganda of the russians and fled to russia, fearing that the russians would be pumped up, that we have torture here, in fact, that all this is not there this is such a painful moment, which well, we still need to equalize and, well, the first words of the locals, when they see ukrainians there, of course, they are happy, but they ask, will you not be with us, you will not do anything with us? well, some ask about it because they know of them there is this wound from

from the fact that they were in the occupation for so long, in contrast to the same thing. what was there only a month after the first school, the armed forces of ukraine entered the settlements of the community of kharkiv oblast, how did people meet, thank you, thank you, morning

ukraine! in the kharkiv region meets the armed forces of ukraine uh, our beautiful local residents of ukraine brought us food as a hero glory this is just the village of bugayivka, we should fight for these people, we waited very, very long, everything will be fine, thank you, thank you for your places in kyiv

, here you can only imagine people's emotions when they saw their own well, we also saw the russians. i think we saw what kind of army the ukrainians actually greet with flowers dmytro well, you said about a certain royalization of the attitude of the population there, kharkiv is the same as my native sumy, well , we were neighbors for a long time with regions by russians, and this could not help but be seen, and there is a correlation between the support of pro-russian sentiments in the population centers and the occupation, for example, you represent the urban community of chogosko, it was not occupied. and today i went to wikipedia and raisin, who was released together with one of the first, so everyone was waiting for him. he was very strategically important. it is also written there on wikipedia. what a twin village , oh sister city, the russian city of krasnogursk, you understand, and we were friends, we

went to each other there, belgorod bryansk , you saw such beggars in kharkiv oblast. so you conclude for yourself why some communities were occupied and others were not. well, there is no direct connection between the occupation and the communities that were occupied. in fact, where are the russian soldiers? entered there, they were able to enter chuguiv oblast in the early days of the war, they were shelled, well, on february 24, i woke up from explosions and were shelled from two sides, because chuguiv is a military town, and troops entered chuguiv and there were russian tanks on our streets, but they were bombed, smashed and pushed away from uh, from the city, from our community, well, it is literally 15 km away from the city line