a visa for waging war against ukraine, so to speak, in quotation marks without quotation marks, limited to the offensive on donbas, from the other side, information has arrived from putin himself that he is ready to meet with president zelensky, and here, of course, the entrance went, so to speak, to the lies about the fact that but zelenskyi doesn't want it, i want it, says putin , but that's all zelenskyi doesn't want it, mr. reiterovych, please decipher the meeting, something in particular , these messages from putin, including those to the prime minister of india, you know, i would consider it in the context of this organization in general and the fact that russia acted there as a country that was forced to explain to a certain extent even to justify itself in the circle of countries that to a large extent earlier, well, not that the russians did not orient themselves to it, but at least they listened to its position and you considered it somewhere there is the flagship of opposition to the western world. and putin's position in

this regard was extremely vulnerable, he is an ally for those countries, even conditional allies, yes, for those countries that occupy a neutral position there in relation to the war that russia is leading against ukraine, he was forced to explain to them, to chew on what is actually happening, what kind of offensive he was trying somewhere. well, not to make a joke, well, it is in his style, let's say, a joker, he is such a joker, to talk about the fact that ukraine is leading a counteroffensive. well, let the flag lead his hands and so on, but it all looked like. well, in fact, how significant is this weakening of the position. it seems to me that this statement regarding possible negotiations there, well, it was not so much for the partners, again, it was to a greater extent directed probably to the western countries to show to our western allies that russia is in principle ready to sit down there and talk about something, but there should be a corresponding position of ukraine in this regard, so it is precisely through this prism that i considered this unconditional weakening of the position of the russian federation, the attitude of some leaders in of other countries to putin and

the lateness to the meeting and the manner of communicating with him, they show that there were by and large dominated by two states china, well first of all and to a lesser extent in turkey they will to determine its regional leadership and probably the following vectors of the development of these countries that gathered in samarkand well, russia is finally turning into such a catch-up country and a country that still has a very large territory and large resources, but it has long since lost the influence it had before the start of the war against ukraine, it still has large resources and a large territory, mr. reiterovych, we heard you ask a symmetrical question, yes, i think that this one really showed that russia is rapidly losing rapidly one is demythologized because the majority of the participants are from the countries of the east, so they have

, you know, such a subtle eastern approach and a dialogue with the rent of fashion performed by vladimir putin, this is not an example of a subtle eastern approach, but an example of the fact that a person simply rejects the existing reality , rejects everything about it is said and well, it shows that he lives in his own reality and i don't know , well, to think that putin is not being informed or told about something. well, somehow you know, we have to decide for ourselves or russia actually has a one-person monarchy where the president is already so attached to the chair that it is difficult to move him or one of the two. i think that the consequences and er

decision for the participants er of this are strami, that's why the shanghai cooperation organization will definitely be there, they will be er- will manifest themselves in the coming months, and they will manifest themselves in particular in the actual transition of the odkb to a comatose state , because the exact time was marked by hostilities between the participants of the shanghai cooperation organization between kyrgyzstan and tajikistan, which i would say that it is quite spicy and to expect that russia can act as an adequate arbiter or an adequate source of power here. i think that fewer and fewer states are doing it, and well, you see the main participants, e.e. sos, e.e. russian

propagandists emphasize that now that the union of several nuclear states at once, but this union, well, consider it a military-political one. well, it seems to me that they are not enemies of their economy, and in general, i think that even without putin, they really understand what is happening very well . an important signal from the ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of the united states to ukraine, mrs. brink. so, do you remember? yes, so-and-so was launched when a very strange article appeared where, citing unnamed sources, they wrote that the united states is trying to make ours unchanging and unbreakable, so to speak leaning toward negotiations with russia, literally what the ambassador of the united states says in

response to this strange article and strange method is an absolute lie. i can only repeat once again what our president and the secretary of state said and officials also stated that only ukrainians and the democratically elected leader of ukraine, president zelenskyi, can decide when and how this conflict should end and when and how negotiations should begin. of the process by including the emphasis placed by her well, if we go back to that story about the alleged pressure, it seems to me that there was simply a certain misunderstanding, most likely in some conversation there where, too, could the secretary of state ask the question of how

ukraine looks at all? well, is there a need for negotiations, when can they be, and so on, and not in the plan that you urgently sit down at the negotiating table , you start them, as a result, you got a sensation well, the so -called sensation is to an empty place by and large , but i did not even refer to the statements here, although they are certainly important, but first of all, the hopes of action to date on the part of the same united states of america indicate that they are really absolutely on the side of ukraine and give us the opportunity to determine for ourselves when and how we are ready to sit down at the negotiating table regarding these negotiations, well, listen repeatedly and president zelenskyi and representatives of other, well, other representatives of the government talked about the fact that ukraine is ready for these negotiations in principle, in principle, but on the condition that certain points are fulfilled provisions that are public and that have been voiced repeatedly, that's why the same person then makes statements that i want ukraine, i don't want it well, of course he's not lying why because he just needs to say then that we don't want to fulfill those conditions

about which ukraine is talking about yes and if they fulfilled them, then most likely the chain of negotiations then took place no more and no less, as of today, of course, the probability of all negotiations is minimal, which is explained both by the successes of our armed forces and by the relaxation of the position of the russian federation, then we will watch how will the situation develop further? it seems to me that the more territories we will conquer by military force, the fewer chances there will be for conducting any large-scale negotiations, and sooner or later later, of course, a time will come when one way or another this issue will have to be resolved, and the most important thing for ukraine until then is to first of all maintain the support of our western partners so that we have a unified position and not diverge, let's say yes and do not forget to constantly emphasize, repeat and consolidate in mass consciousness in the first place well, there are representatives of western countries those theses and those conditions uh, on which ukraine is ready these negotiations in the future start yes yes in a minute the speaker

of the house of representatives of the american congress yesterday, the pelos congress made an unprecedentedly tough statement for russia to be defeated and brought to justice for all the crimes it committed in ukraine, as well as to feel the real pain of punishment, and she said this not just somewhere on the lawn near the white house at a press conference. at the summit of the heads of the g7 parliament in berlin, mr. marta, what does this mean , how much tougher will everything be now? stricter, but we should focus not only on the statements of politicians, but the statements of officials, that is, in this case, the statement of the ambassadors bring is really weighty and now you know, let's not discount

the factor of the horror that we see in the territories liberated from the russian occupation, ukraine must make maximum efforts to to convince the whole world that russia should be dismantled , dismantled preferably in a peaceful way and we should unite the world community in this desire, i think this is our main thing at the moment the task is the historical mission of the ukrainian nor- people, so to speak, to rally the world community around an issue that is extremely painful for everyone. thank you very much, mr. yevgeny magda, director of the institute of world politics . no, but igor is a saint, mr. igor, a minute and a half to add it. i will only say that our historical mission is not only to unite, but also to make it so that russia never again threatens and decides

the question in the way that she solves today, golden words, she cannot do it, but not without the help of our partners. on september 17, it occurred to anyu that another crime of the soviet union against its so-called immediate neighbor , since after the conspiracy with adolf hitler, stalin took and joined the nazi blitzkrieg against poland and today, so to speak, the russian soviet troops began to implement the concept of the so-called reunification, of course, history is much more complicated

than it seems. well, in any case, let's look at the plot of the so-called golden september 30 to the podil stone until the end of the day of the soviet as they called it their locals were already in rivne, ternopil , kolomyia and other cities, the troops were followed by chekists who seized strategic objects, post offices, banks , newspaper editorial offices already on september 22, the red army entered lviv, resistance was minimal after all poland threw its forces on the western front against hitler, who had attacked the country two weeks earlier , the blow from two sides was the result of the signing of secret protocols to the molotov-ribbentrop pact, by which nazi germany and the stalinist ussr divided europe into spheres of influence. soviet propaganda worked for the complete occupation of the territory of an independent state described how the reunification of western ukraine with the soviet union and the liberation of ukrainians from the centuries-old oppression of the poles on the pages of the invasion newspapers gave a poetic name

in the first months of golden september, the soviet authorities really tried to flirt with ukrainians, who in interwar poland were subjected to political, cultural and religious discrimination. along with the october and soviet streets, ivan franko and lesya ukrainka streets appeared. many ukrainians accepted this with enthusiasm, but it quickly turned into disappointment . and hence the horror, first the soviets took on the intelligentsia and priests, then on the peasants, and the rest, many hours of interrogations, torture, shootings , and deportations became masses, how many died then still unknown but only in june 1941 more than 20,000 galicians were killed in prisons golden september 1939 turned red with blood nine hours 43 minutes informational and analytical marathon of the espresso show tv channel in full swing thank you to our colleagues for this extremely meaningful story yes and we are adding to

our broadcast vitaliy kapranov, writer, public figure, blogger, fighter of the azov regiment , and oleksandr mayborod, historian of the institute of political ethno-national studies of the academy of sciences of ukraine, doctor of historical sciences, gentlemen congratulations good morning, at one time the soviet union celebrated golden september in the ukrainian soviet socialist republic. it lasted until it was found out that this whole date was organized by stalin in collusion with hitler, and in fact it was not about the reunification quotes or anything else. some formula of soviet propaganda and it was about the dismemberment of poland, and accordingly, the soviet union, using its false narratives about brotherly peoples , began the pacification and destruction of western ukraine in first of all, it is about the intelligentsia and the clergy, it went on. well, but still, on

september 17, under the current circumstances, mr. oleksandr, according to the motives of the participants and so on, definitely, on the one hand, stalin's motive was really disappointment in poland, the expansion of the zone of soviet influence and the seizure of ukraine from so that the process of russification goes to these countries, where the nationalization of ukraine will be extended to its western territories, well, on the other hand, for ukrainians, it was really such a moment of unification, because the ethnos people were divided and divided, well, due to historical circumstances and always, as a rule, a people of the same origin, but of the same ethnicity, they still prefer to live

in one state, well, the result is not in the soviet union. believe me, i studied the interwar period in detail, yes, and that ukrainian emigration, petlyur activists and activists directories , unr activists who ended up in poland by the will of fate, they did not want to go to siberia even through the so -called stalinist reunification. well, you know, it often happens that the opinions of the elite and the opinions of the masses are do not always coincide, for example, the organization of ukrainian nationalists, which was not very popular until 1939 and before the war was not the most popular in western ukraine, but it warned about the paths that await western ukrainians. well, you can even see from the footage that many ukrainians sincerely believed in her, they did not believe that in the union with all the ukrainian people

, a new life would come to the land of western ukraine, for all happiness, and so on. after that, the authority of the organization of ukrainian nationalists began to grow, especially during the war, when they organized resistance to both the soviet and the frankish regimes, which means we are also following the political practice itself. this is really a terrible moment in the history of ukrainians, because instead of hmm , the revival of ukraine, the conditions of the culture of traditions and why is there so little statement here of everything ukrainian in western ukraine gradually already behind a mosquito net behind the facade of some ukrainization changes there actually began again the same process as in this ukraine the process is gradually pushed out after all the imposition of the ukrainian language on the russian language,

especially linguistic russification, especially this concerned the science of industry, the consequences of which we know, vitaly, how should we now relate to this golden september, already six months from now, in the full-scale war of russia in ukraine, and how can we look on those events. well, first of all, i would like to warn about the danger of such attitudes regarding the fact that it was beneficial for ukrainians that this is all a direct path to the russian thesis that stalin united ukraine and thank you comrade stalin for that i would very much cautiously spoke on this topic, although, of course, ukrainians always sought to unify, but when we talk about galicia, about golden september, for some reason we always forget that at that time galicia was the leading producer and producer of oil in the world, the share

of galicia in the global distribution of oil production was approximately four percent, this just how much the fate of russia is today, you can imagine it must have been a very powerful oil region today galicia practically does not play oil anymore and then it was very promising and oil then its declared a blood war and do the right thing because the war was a tank war because the war was a transport war and in this way stalin did not seek to unite ukrainians and ukrainians as speculators from the russian side say today in this way stalin first received an oil-bearing region with developed production this was really developed on foreign concessions and was a posh region where the land is worth gold in fact. and secondly, he established direct contact with germany in order to stab her in the back and the fate of galicians.

the fate of the ukrainians, the fate of the belarusians who got into this process was never of interest to him, he was never interested in the destinies of the nations, on the contrary, he always established borders as much as possible in order to lay down future conflicts and all the conflicts of the post-soviet era were laid down by comrade stalin during the partition, and at that time he was himself, as he wanted, baptized with a pencil on the map, accordingly, there is no fate, we uh, unfortunately, then we were an object, we were a historical waste, and ukrainians would live there, not ukrainians, because they lived there as trolls, there is no such thing after all, there was only one small argument that stalin could put on the table to hitler during the negotiations and say, and i take it away because the ukrainians are everything, although in reality, again, firstly, it was an economic decision, and secondly,

a decision that brought stalin closer to hitler's back, into which he wanted to stick him. thank you, mr. vitaly, oleksandr, the relevant question. and why can i say definitely, the motives were primarily strategic, geo-military, and as for the economic benefits for stalin, well, it is oil western ukraine was no longer of such special importance to stalin, it was important to create and further spread the soviet influence, the soviet system in general, the collision between germany and the soviet union was inevitable . in europe and stalin, it was necessary to expand his bridgehead as much as possible,

these systems were similar totalitarian ones, well, it is somehow not accepted to call the soviet system fascist , we say command administrative sometimes totalitarian, well, totalitarianism, fascism is one thing. in the same way, mussolini took an example from the bolshevik system from the bolshevik model, and from mussolini he took the example of the hitlers, in fact, all these internal systems were similar, and the question became who will rule in europe, or totalitarianism, german , italian, or soviet, but stalin tried first of all, for these reasons, to expand the zones of influence, everything else is really further, the forest is being cut down, the wood chips are flying in the air, so to speak, everything is the fate of the people, it is absolutely correctly said that it is no longer disturbed and he wanted to unify the entire space and

what is called ethnocide, i.e. depriving the ukrainian people of their language, culture, tradition , history, etc. this would have been us to continue and now it means that this moti group for stalin was the most important thing, well, because i repeat, the clash was inevitable and each of the parties was preparing, it was only a temporary, so to speak, winter truce for a certain time between them in order to take a breather and then it already started oleksandr noh did they really want to take a breather there before the possible clash, did stalin really believe that he could and would come to an agreement with hitler? it is forever about the zones for the distribution of education and further military actions on the european continent - this is a question for mr. kapranov. well, i also have one more small

question. why did stalin not dare to attack poland ? together with hitler, yes, because the nazis attacked poland on september 1, and stalin, so to speak , humbly sat in the bushes for another couple of weeks, you know the second part of your question contains the answer to the first part of your question exactly that that the soviet union did not attack poland together with hitler but made hitler guilty in the eyes of the world public and made him the main enemy and shows that stalin was not going to negotiate with hitler, stalin's plan was to give hitler well, they didn't hide it, he did and he said, let the pretty girls fight among themselves , and then we will come at them and take everything over.

no one canceled the world revolution. i.e. but unlike the current leader of russia, putin, tallinn cared about international support, see, he wanted to take over europe and wanted america and the british to help him in this , i.e. he was looking for allies against hitler because he had to, uh, properly fan this war, that is it was about the world revolution and not at all about sharing something with hitler. actually, he worked as an experienced politician. your task is to set up the enemy and secure the help of the whole world to be on your side and, as a result, free the conquered er, to the program hitlers of europe and take it for themselves, this is actually a very simple and very effective plan, which fortunately did not succeed because stalin, as

usual, did not take into account that people are alive and the red army, roughly speaking, er, surrendered in polonna and ran away under the first blows to me, you are the only thing that prevented stalin from implementing the plan, what historical conclusions should we draw from this, again drawing analogies to modern times, then they allowed stalin, hitler, to tear poland apart, and how it ended, and after that, russia succeeded for a long time the soviet union to produce this myth of a great victory, mr. oleksandr, i would like to correct the fact that poland was allowed to be torn apart, they just reacted and the second world war began as a reaction to the invasion of poland, and that is why the western world did not change and in addition, france was defeated by germany, but it was

the first to enter into battle with the germans, with the support of the british, and the united states of america joined later, so that at one time they concluded that it is impossible to go back to the various munich agreements in hopes that can be fulfilled the aggressor because the aggressor is the aggressor, no matter how much you feed the wolves, it will all be the same in different places, look after stalin managed to become an aggressor and then qualify as a winner. well, you see historical events. they are often intertwined in this case, it happened that the western world, after the defeat of france, after the defeat of france, after the developments at dunkirk, he had to

look for new resources, and one of the resources was the manpower of the soviet union, the soviet union could not contribute to the fight against germany, there were some special material resources there. well, there were also some technical military-technical resources there, but the main resource was the life force of the people, and it is clear that the western democracies were forced to be friends in this case with stalin against hitler, because for them hitler was a greater evil than stalin, that's how they looked at that time, because the soviet union could still be tamed somehow. and if hitler really managed to establish his power throughout europe, then the world would be completely - for another reason

that to establish power in europe, it means to establish power and supercolonies of european countries. why are you? thank you, mr. oleksandr vitaly kaprano, but you know the main conclusion of the second world war is that carthage must be destroyed , that is, the last empire of moscow must be destroyed, only this can ensure peace in europe, because the experience before the second world war proved that the only option for peace, that is, a single country that is not aggressive, is national democracies because they live within their borders, many people, their drinks and not want to expand any empire always expands and today the existence of the russian empire in the form of modern russia also proves once again that it did not finish the last empire and we have another war that should finally put an end to this issue and one conclusion national democracy is what guarantees peace in europe and

all over the world golden words we agree vitalik pranogo thank you writer public figure blogger fighter of the azov regiment also thank you oleksandr maiboroda historian of the institute of political and ethno of national studies of the academy of sciences of ukraine, doctor of historical sciences, and to our experts, well, let's move on. it's almost 10 o'clock now, and now i'm having tea. anna eva melnyk is already waiting for us to give her word . she'll tell you everything that's happening. and ten o'clock is the time for good news, because right now the general staff reports on the enemy's losses