they were somewhere there as an administrator and he creates his point from them, and putin, well, i apologize, well, he is the highest level of real uh connections, the vice mayor of st. petersburg for a short time, with whom, that is, in fact , some random people who were there with a failed cooperative are going to meet, that's not a joke, who worked with him in the leningrad fsb office, who were with him in some judo gang in the team, well, it's not the same and it's not the wrong system when he is the leader of these people, because they are patrushev, he was his boss, and he was not patrubshev's boss how are you you understand, with uhorbachev , zelensky didn’t have any of his associates, he didn’t take some people who led him, you understand, and they all together are evidence, so this is all an important moment and who became well, not them, putin, we now all see him as a criminal dictator. we hire, it always happens like that, to be honest, they just understand

that there is a mechanism of psychological compensation , which, by the way, i once talked about even in moscow , after this team came to power, i talked to a person with an entourage of one of these new managers and i told him and what do you think your boss thinks when he gets into the car he was there yesterday he was unemployed and here he gets out moscow is there cream yes that is or something else he gets out the car motorcade motorcyclist security service ambulance all this goes to the country house of a person who used to ride the subway the day before yesterday, yes, yes, do you think, my god, how cool am i, right, how cool am i ? it was meant to be because i'm the only one who knows how to run this country, that's why i'm here, and you're here. because if you start thinking that

you're some kind of slob who was given a position, you really start to lose your mind. and this is psychological compensation, it's very dangerous, because a real politician is a person who makes himself again, he can return to the figure of zelenskyi, whom the russians love so much. zelenskyi did himself there all his life . he did himself. that's what he does. then he went out to pursue a political career. that's right, it's definitely not a question for the russians. a question for us, but a person was engaged in his development gradually, he reached certain obvious successes, yes, some two crowns, but he was a minister there, a big businessman here, or trump. yes, this is a very good example of a billionaire showman, everyone knows about his career. here is such a person. you can see everything. you are coming. i came to america when there was no president and trump was written everywhere. well, now i am the president, i am satisfying my ego because this is the next

step in my development. none of the billionaires could and i was able, but what with putin is completely different and i think that it is a dangerous thing, you understand when people who are dangerous when people who are not engaged in politics suddenly achieve success in politics it was also visible those who do nothing at all suddenly become not just politicians, they become politicians. they become the first persons in the state. they were just yesterday given something there. nothing to get a suitcase , er, a dog with dirty laundry, and today they gave a nuclear suitcase. well, psychology is very clearly stated . that the game of ego is too dangerous for a person and she is in the office of the president of the russian federation we ca n't use her all from there who wouldn't want to so i saw an interesting survey of ukrainians there i think it would be good to hear your opinion on this

matter 87% of ukrainians, that is, the absolute majority is not ready to make any territorial concessions for the sake of ending the war with russia as soon as possible, the results of a survey conducted by the kyiv international institute of sociology testify to the process. and as the authors of the study say, this indicator is a cut compared to july by 3% a-a points only 8% of the respondents believe that in order to achieve the peace of preservation of independence it is possible to give up some territories. - a much higher percentage of ukrainians were ready to make concessions and compromises p. vitaliy, what is forcing people to believe now, after all, to believe in the armed forces or to change their minds, do you think that this is still just an understanding without a way out of the situation until a certain council until 2022 it seemed that this conflict, which is in donbas, is

local and people tried not to even look at it, sometimes we said, listen there, disaster, criminal regime, isolation, everything, people, somehow, many people tried not to pay attention to this in crimea, as if nothing was happening. they just annexed russia, lives like russia, well, that means, but we need peace, now suddenly they saw a completely different war. they never saw the rocket attacks of buch. now raisin, mariupol , people are starting to think that if the russians do something to leave, well, first of all, it is torturous in all the territories that you leave, that is, they can feel themselves morally responsible for torturing other people of their compatriots, they do not want to take moral responsibility because it is not what they could say in the 14th year 15 sisters there let them live there. we will solve this issue of donbass. let them live as they want. as if they wanted it that way, you could say it like that. well,

nothing. there is no water from it, just like that, and they still have a cheap utility company. there was a lot to say. as an excuse for the fact that i don't want to sacrifice anything for the sake of this territory returning with someone , everything is not as simple as it seems . they live in russia now, uh, the first moment may be such reluctance to take away from the moral responsibility of the school, you say we can sacrifice the territories, you immediately sacrifice that there might be a grave somewhere, that’s like a raisin that it will be there, the second moment this is anger, by the way, something that i did not count, obviously the anger of people against those who commit war crimes

, because again, this is the war that came to them, this war touched everyone, and now there are practically no people in this country who are not involved in the war, someone has lost loved ones, someone lost a house, someone just goes to a bomb shelter and spends sleepless nights there, everyone's life has definitely changed. someone has lost a job, who has become let's say this is what we said, this is 2014, someone has already become you better , someone lives there worse and who started to live better after putin's attack, there are no such people in ukraine, even if nothing has changed in a person, he still lives under stress, he stopped planning something, it's a completely different quality of life, you understand , it's possible with you, where it's not so noticeable, because journalists and doctors don't have time to think

about this situation, we work there for people who live an ordinary life outside the information flow, absolutely they perceive this differently, believe me because, first of all, they now live in the information here, they live in the news all the time it is also for you and me to do it. yes, but you must understand that a person who is not a journalist , if she reads the news 24 hours a day, it is stress. we can work in journalism, people who feel uncomfortable with this, they stay in this job, you also know that well , that is all. well, that's why a person wants it to end for him and for everyone. the liberation of the territory is the second, third moment - after all , 206 days have passed maybe anger now prevails over you, we don't know how it will be in 500. well, it's true, we have emotional carousels, but it can be

in 500, yes, in 700, it's different. that is, it's all completely logical, and again, it's not even our achievements. these are the mistakes of this jerk because the question also arises. your military doesn't know how to fight like that other than shelling something in chechnya like valik but if you act as a liberator you should know exactly what you can't do you can't allow rocket fire on civilian quarters because i remember them in the first the days of the war, i talk to my friends, by the way , from russia, and they told me, well, people, i have an anti-war attitude. well, you don't think that putin will shoot at the residential areas of kharkiv, let's say he didn't say. please tell me why i don't think so. i'm sure that he will destroy kharkiv. well, how about how can this happen in the 21st century? is it true that the russian military, despite all this, can shoot at residential areas calmly? people did not believe it even in february 2022.

well, now they believe it. who in kharkiv believed it? i remember that i also talk to my kharkiv residents acquaintances on the eve of the war and clearly said that if the war starts, it will most likely start , kharkiv will be destroyed, you have to. it’s easy to accept that they looked at me just like i was crazy, well , now it’s the range, they thought, they were russian-speaking , so the city, because of this, they didn’t think that it could be like that, they no, it wasn't people who perceived kharkiv if they were russian, just from some people that anu, why are russian speakers falling under putin's rockets, babies, if he says that he is liberating russian speakers, what is he destroying kharkiv from mariupol means this is a mistake. what are these people, what are the majority of these people, who are there, let them be three times russian-speaking there, they look at them as enemies, you know, if even the person who understands you the most will shoot at you, kill you, torture you, you will

believe and be considered as an enemy, and the second point is why create all these mass burials of people, kill them in such numbers, and also, just like that , so what? the army is all very well, but not all the population is running or someone is defending themselves. that is, you know, this is an effect that reminds me of the effect of hitler in 1941 in the soviet union, there was a huge number of people who hated the bolsheviks. well, it is clear from the composition of general vlasov's army, there are a million servicemen they hated stalin, in principle they did not really want to protect the bolshevik government, they believed that the germans would come, many people spoke and there would be order, at least nothing would happen, they saw the german army

they also extrapolated to the german army whom they had not seen during the first world war. then the germans came and the germans, whom they had never seen, withdrew, that is, the army could have been almost like that, but with the army came those who had never come, the ss, the gestapo, the sd, torture, murder, deportation to germany began treatment of people as garbage and this changed the introduction of a large number of people who hated the bolsheviks into germany, they hated the bolsheviks, but they realized that they had no way out, they found themselves between a rock and a hard place because well, that is, they did not understand how they would survive because of these people who came, the germans did not abolish, let's say, the collective farm, you know, they left it. well , it was very strange to many people that the germans

want to keep them in the same slavery as the bolsheviks, but they are also strangers. well that's when such hatred of this uh-uh began, all this worked as a result against the reich and not only on the territory of ukraine, as you understand, putin acted absolutely in the same logical uh-huh series and it honestly surprises me because that's why he and i read alone and the same books he knows all this story about hitler's mistakes, he should also know. i don't know, i don't overestimate his level of education, but that's not what was told in the books. and what people in general always said, it was always such a common place for polemics of those people who survived war because here i would say surprise turned into hatred or into hatred because expectations were not fulfilled , you understand, and here too, that is, it is possible that there

could be many people in the east and in the south who believed that the russians were in order, good pensions, what they saw in the tv series on the first channel, not in ukraine, now suddenly they see all the people, first of all, they kill before they meet, they steal toilets, some noise came , that is, in our country, a completely different image of russia was formed during these six months, all of russia was hostile, and the army was hostile, but russia was rich the army was hostile, but the people are the same as us people. it turns out that the people are not such hedgehogs and the country turns out to be very poor, because if people who come to your house try, i'm sorry , to steal women's panties, well, it only happens from poverty, well, that is, a person who has well, i apologize, well , this is exactly what happened. when germany was occupied in 1945, well, american soldiers did not take it from

their homes. what did the soviets take, because they already had it, they did not understand. why take it when you tomorrow you will come to a supermarket in america and buy it, and well, well, for a soviet soldier who had never seen this in his life and thought that he would never see it, he dragged it into his tank and it turned out that after 70 years, nothing has changed, yes so i remembered by the way about that what did you say, why do they do it, torture by force, and the paramedic, a well-known tayera who was released from russian captivity, gave an interview and she said that when the russian soldiers who tortured her asked, do you know why we do it , she simply answered because you can and it's true this is true because this is such a moment that in russia has always been used by the authorities that all ivan the terrible is the need to give your slave the opportunity to be the master of people in some other

territory here you are my morning and there you kiss my boots but here i can let you be like me only here here in this place further you will come back again you will stand on your knees again i will do with you everything you don't want but here you can get away by the way remember that the soviet army of the last ten years of the existence of the soviet union. this is a girl. this is the idea that the first year i am beaten, tortured , humiliated, but in the second year, i will break away, and this was considered absolutely normal in the movies. that is, it was never considered moral. and here we saw this conditional hazing that already was turned against foreign civilian population, because it is possible, because no one will punish it, because it will not be condemned, social because that is how society is organized, and because where else can you do it, if not here, well, it was in the caucasus. by the way, during the understand, let's talk about how

russians feel outside their territory , we have already found out that in the territory of the russian federation, they still do not all live so well, and we saw it during the war, from september 12, new rules came into force the cancellation of the simplified visa regime for citizens of the russian federation in the european countries of the european union and also switzerland applied the same rules, just a few days ago the baltic countries and poland from september 11 to 19 generally introduce restrictions on entry for citizens of russia with a schengen tourist visa. vitaly if take a look at social networks. that's how i follow, you know, i get pleasure from the whining of russians, that's why i sometimes watch, and even there, well, russia is so rich, their children still start to say at first about and but why do we need this the european union well, the same as about brands. they said

the same about everything, and then it starts like this, i’m going to university, i’m going to school, so it’s me this year without a vacation in europe. will it really affect them or the average person we talked about? was never never was never 80% of the population of russia never left the borders of their regions, what is europe like in these 20% who visited egypt and turkey abroad, nothing will change in their lives beyond that, as far as i understand turkey now a bastard is turning into a hap for the rich of russia, it is already being told that the villas are diplomatic, uh, medical care is high-quality, that is, turkey is trying to take over this role from europe, and it will most likely take it over in terms of how it will in principle affect the russians, it will affect moscow and uh to a certain extent, however, so far it is not possible to say that this could be some form of protest, i cannot say, i do not want to. that

this is wrong, because in the conditions of the actual cold war, there should definitely be no visa assistance here, the question is not even about visas as such, namely in tourist places, but we forget all the time, they also limit it to people, i apologize, and western countries, clearly speaking. my economy for various reasons, and if i don't want you to spend your money with me, if i don't want this segment with you to exist with us, if i don't want to buy your gas, then i won't help the development of your tourism, that's even the question is not about the citizens of the russian federation, this is a question of a tourist visa, this is a question of the economy, this is another question. this is already a completely different question. i am absolutely

sure that western countries have a moral obligation to help these people who oppose putin's dictatorship, because all these years when these people they warned about the danger of what would happen, they ignored these people, they considered them the home of 600, they said that it is necessary to have good business relations with the russian federation, how they ignored us, too , if we are talking about people who suffer from of the regime, who write opposition articles that can get behind bars on some idiotic charges, you see there with politicians leonid godu, he was imprisoned for 15 days because he simply compared the soviet union to hitler's germany , i don't know this at all. it's hard to call it a crime, then after 15 days they released him and imprisoned because they found another post even earlier for a repeated violation, you understand that this is us together. if one hoffman wants to live in russia, that is his right. he seems to have israeli citizenship as well, but

if a person wants to leave russia because he thinks that he simply has no life, nothing . the situation itself, no, no influence, no, it will not affect, most likely, even more will be shown, that is, in the majority of russians who never intended to go, that is, what they recognized there, they immediately travel to russia and so on, let's discuss another important topic, let's discuss the results of the shanghai cooperation organization, well it looks like this, at least the experts state that putin was sitting there like a loser. so, against the background of syzinpain, against the background of erdogan, somehow he did not feel confident enough and the kind of leader he used to show himself to be. by the way, i think that

the russians do not feel this when they prepare such visit ot they don't understand how much putin's political weight is now inferior in asia by the way, to look at this photo yes, he is very insecure well, it's just clear that everyone is at the center of this story, is it true putin as some boy, well, not a boy, but in any case, the way it is arranged says a lot. i am not talking about anything else, all the calls, one way or another, the leader of the second country with the second economy of urine, russia, thanks to all its brilliant decisions, has already fallen out of the first dozens continues to fall, but if the countries of central asia and central asia, i apologize, they need investments, some money, these are not rich countries. they survived all their lives at the expense of guest workers who went to russia, now this is also ending because these people there is nothing to do, they need investments, what

can russia demonstrate in them now when it does not have money for the actual life of ordinary people, they need calls, of course, they need us in fashion because they have money and putin does not, and they behave like this, then another one an important point is the war with ukraine, on the one hand, they realized that if we talk about such a threat, on the other hand, they realized that the russian army is not such a factor against which you cannot protect yourself, how they protect again, they still need these calls they know something, widzempins says that our interests are here. putin is already here and won't come. before, they had doubts, they weren't sure that china could restrain russia. now there is such confidence. well, in your opinion, china has demonstrated such a position that everything is in the zone of their interests. these countries have nothing to say about signals, because the chinese, as is always the case with communist autocracies, use signals to talk

about the fact that china has sent territorial integrity, the sovereignty of kazakhstan, and that's all. this is an obvious signal why. it is clear. in which direction was the big statement of the singai agency and i carefully read the description of the relations with each of the countries that were at the summit, and there was also a signal after a signal with this country. we want this country. we want this russia, just among others. but this is a collection of signals that shows that china is interested in the ukrainians of central asia and that sisinpin has competition from the president who wants to be the leader of the turkic world, and he has, i would say , proof of civilization, but again, the president vdagan has proven that his economy is now in the wrong state, which turns turkey into a violent investor, this is a problem, but one way or another, as dogan, it is still a more serious competitor of the chinese, even in such a situation, who are now in turkey than

putin, one way or another, well, another civilizational choice. he the leader of a nato member country he is the leader of a country that is a candidate that is not a ska, no matter what, there are such points between points to the west. turkey is an eastern country, so to speak, but with western parameters of the economy, even if it is in the state in which it is the economy is in place, that is, both of these leaders have something to say in this loud voice, what can i say to putin , if the prime minister can tell him to listen , the war will be stopped out loud, if the president is an impostor, we speak the voice . i will say that in such a situation, putin does not look to them the same as he was 10 years ago. 10 years ago, they could look at him as the first thing, which party for the general secretary, for the first time, has the generation already changed? otherwise, these are already the next presidents who have never

been with secretary general nazarbayev karim in a car, some were second russia does not behave like this anymore, it does not look so powerful well, of course, in this situation, then i have to stand and look at the clock that is why there is no president of this why there is no of the president, but because there is no need to destroy their own state, then everyone will come at three on time. by the way, regarding the decabel country, it is interesting, but vitaliy, the conflict began in kyrgyzstan between kyrgyzstan and tajikistan, on the border there were there are certain hostilities and casualties recently, and according to the dkb agreement, as far as i remember, they are supposed to help kyrgyzstan and tajikistan, but they do not help any other country . weakens the otcp demonstrated during the conflict with armenia, azerbaijan is not working or, well, that is, they are simply

not working this organization, it is obvious that now, as the armenians have hung all the american flags in this yerevan, because they are waiting, they have waited nensipilos is this also a certain political conclusion or if russia cannot help us, we need to look for some kind of umbrella in the west so that they find a balance between the armenians, turkey and azerbaijan in relation to tajikistan and kyrgyzstan, they surrendered to others, after all, border conflicts happen in central asia part but it was such a moment when and the president of kyrgyzstan steamrolled the president of tajikistan. they were at the summit. putin could at least try to become a mediator in this conflict. it is logical to meet with them to discuss something and show that he the leader of the situation, he generally distanced himself from it, it is good that they talked among themselves and it somehow demonstrated the worthlessness of the dcb

and russian influence. i remember very well that when there was still an armenian conflict in azerbaijan in the early 90s, and the leader of armenia came to azerbaijan, because it is possible to say that on the same day there was a competition among the leaders of the former soviet republics who would be the mediator. president yeltsin wanted to talk to them, and the president of turkmenistan and niyazov said that i was talking about the economy and that cis, i will hold this meeting myself, and i have seen this conflict with my own eyes, and now that it is because it increases political actions. well, because if i can be a mediator, i am a serious politician in the world for my country, and here we see what is the president of russia himself he doesn’t even claim to be and this at least speaks of putin’s potential now more than the entire effectiveness of the udkb and and what are the decorations? well, it’s a cover for the russian troops, you can call a spade a spade, and that’s why we don’t see anything, because the president and putin

he has no resources, he is without strength, he would gladly take out already part of the city of jijikistan to throw them in the ukrainian direction, then what if he is used to the fact that he can only solve something with the help of force, then if he does not have the strength, he ceases to be a diplomat, a politician, this is also an interesting, interesting conclusion uh, from this situation. well, let's conclude little by little. i thank mr. vitaly for very interesting, as always, professional answers. we raised many interesting topics today, summed up and touched on the 29th week of the russian-ukrainian war important international events that this week were also quite active and intense as they will affect the development of events in the world. thank you, vitaliy. we have the 30th week ahead, i think there will be a lot of important events here, because we see that now it is literally saturated with events and

whenever we talk about the future days, we have to see that the politicians who are there are making statements that are making some warnings. they have to answer for their words and this will be a test next week, the threats of poutine and all these promises we will see what russia can really do and what they are talking about just for the sake of intimidating our people thank you vitaly portnikov i was with you later news from iryna koval 21:00 in ukraine and the time has ended