gossip, because we are talking about ecology and the ecological component of this issue. the chernobyl accident at one time simply shook the world so much and for so long. that there is not a single politician of such importance in the world in different countries who would not be aware of the consequences of a nuclear accident all the more so because european countries know this for sure because after the chernobyl accident on april 26 and april 29 there were already recorded areas of ice in europe that flew there and this and that were almost 21 countries that already received in the month of may one or another concentration of radiation elements and it was such a fear, it was a whole phobia for years that

covered a lot of people, not only in ukraine , russia, belarus, but also in european countries, over these many years, of course, there have been certain changes in the awareness that this is how you can fight it. it is possible to somehow fix it, it is possible to revitalize there natural objects and so on. well, it must be said that in ukraine, unfortunately, in recent years, this tendency to turn the chernobyl zone into a tourist magnet, well, someone like that the opinion also came to many people. well, everything can be fine there. but i repeat, most of the famous politicians understand this risk. by the way, i would like to add to my colleagues that this is enough or not enough to have a decision to have and imagining and understanding the composition of the leadership of the megatheme, the influence of russia from the grassroots departments of russians who have been working there for decades, then this resolution is

sufficiently objective, it is very important for us, and the main thing is that the store has its own tools of influence, and this resolution can open the inside of the mother for the country, there are such chances for greater pressure, because the maximum, for example, will be able not to recommend to the countries. believe me, it would be tougher than some of the sanctions that have already been announced, and when it was adopted, it first admitted that the russians are there, because they are there all the time, they are not there, that they admitted that there are soldiers , military equipment, this is for specialists, there is a direct e a direct signal to the assessment as a real threat because the presence of people at this ecologically

dangerous object clearly creates not only threats, risks, it is simply a step towards disaster, because there is a subject, not a factor, someone quarreled among themselves in the tension, the russian military or excuse me we got drunk, what we see, we watch the time, there could be any actions or those shellings that happened when our mother declared that it was not a threat. yes, we know the level of safety of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, the reactors of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, but earthquakes that occur around can lead not to hit the reactor itself, but to disable the equipment that controls the reactors that ensure the vital activity of these reactors, and this can become the cause of some such chain reaction, so the risk is real. speak more broadly my colleagues, of course we speak from an ecological point of view, but we

take into account all aspects and judging by the recent events of our offensive, the behavior of the russians on the territory of the russian military on the territory it is obvious to all of ukraine, i understood that there is a certain pressure , very powerful, specifically in the nuclear issue, and russia will definitely not give in, and you and i know these statements, and they are our warning now that russia, if it even decides to shoot, use nuclear weapons, i am not talking about the zaporizhzhia npp in zaporizhzhya, i know for sure that it will decrease now because there is no escalation of such aggression , it is gradual, they are taking out some people there. i think that this resolution is a very important formal step towards the world starting point the starting point is high russia and it becomes a completely demilitarized zone, although because the risk well, we can talk about the whole world, well, let's say 200 million hectares that can fall into the

risk zone of the zaporizhzhia npp of ukrainian land, well, it simply cannot be compared with anything and for for our country and for our people, it is a disaster because until now, the children who were born in the second generation from chernobyl children are not from adults, but from children. these children are suffering from a simply catastrophic number of diseases from day birth for health as a result of er-er hmm the already given damage to the environment to the environment we will talk more here, i'm curious about the only thing and whether the representatives of megate were at all tempted not to see the russian military at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, there was such a threat, but here all over and just this resolution shows that the victory happened conditionally they accept they don't see they say we don't see any actually withdraw some part of

the troops they said it's just security first of all they are there there are many things that cannot be taken out, and the second is that the whole world has already, well, no one canceled the satellite, that's why the mother and you and the turning point happened and that's all. in this organization itself, this is the maximum step that megate could take. this is the maximum step. moreover, take into account who initiated the consideration of this resolution of ukraine, and there is no directly in the council, which has to make decisions. the ukrainian issue in a pro-ukrainian context and i want to support my colleague in addition to the recognition of the russian troops in the resolution. it is indicated by rosatom that this is also a powerful blow to this company, which really has international projects and moving forward,

there will be no blackouts. ukrainian consumers will be provided with electricity for the whole winter. this is reported in ukramergo assures that the energy system of ukraine is balanced, the chairman of the board of ukrenergo, volodymyr kudrytskyi, emphasizes that the extinguishing-winter period is fully simulated and from the zaporizhzhia npp and without it, the results show in all scenarios, including the pessimistic passage of the heating season and providing electricity to ukrainian consumers is difficult but achievable, he also reminded that the company has restored reliable power from gas stations with the energy system of ukraine, mr. oleksandr, what do we rely on when we say that electricity is enough for all ukrainians and what, uh, come on, what threatens us the most is that we may still have blackouts or the fact that we will not be able to export electricity. and we have needs for this, and we i am asking our partners. well, first of all, we need to

look at things objectively, we have a war going on, there is a threat to nuclear power plants and another missile attack. we have such threats, and the government is preparing for similar scenarios if certain units or certain power plants. we have a diversified energy sector in the country, from nuclear to solar power generation, and in this way, thanks to the various capacities we have in ukraine, we are diversifying here, the main thing is that operators who operate this energy system, they have constantly kept their finger on the pulse and balanced it. when we have

drops, big jumps. and for this, our electric system is actively preparing, and the government has already repeatedly called for what is difficult for us. but we are all together, and so is mr. zelensky said that we, well, we are without or without energy and without energy, but without you, this is also an important message that the people, uh, we are not now we should not be in rose-colored glasses, we should understand that there are risks, but nevertheless know that the maximum government uh is trying to ensure that such risks are minimal if there is a blackout somewhere, then these blackouts will either be temporary or these blackouts can be in areas immediately

close to combat zones where it is more difficult for specialists to move for restoration but nevertheless our energy system has been included in the european energy system and this means that our energy system is so strong and balanced that we are trusted in europe by the same. in difficult situations, we can be provided also from our partners from our allies, as well as energy, but it is important that everyone is talking about firewood, now the state licensing agency also communicates that the supply of firewood to the population will be even more than last year and the year before last therefore, as a last resort, we can resort to

such energy resources as burning wood well, but these are such realities. i think that we need to go through this winter with clenched fists and teeth as much as possible, this is part of the war, and then we will definitely restore uh, all our systems, all our potentials, well, it 's absolutely true that already in europe, uh, they talked about a certain freezing of decarbonization projects , and they're going back to coal, to burning coal, to possibly burning firewood, what awaits us in the winter, oleksiy and to what extent, please, explain the important connection with the energy system of ukraine and well, how important is it for us to return to the beginning of severe cold here, there are two heats, the first and the main one. now, what

worries the whole world is the connection of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant station from the point of view of the power supply of the security systems of this station, if there is no power, the generators are turned on, the generators work there, uh, spare 10 days, and now there is a problem to take into account the focus, because it happened in a constant there was from the networks, the reactors stopped because the switching of systems on diesel generators began, then came tsunami and uh, diesel generators stopped. as a result, the nuclear fuel melted and there was a radiation leak, so now russia is creating this problem of shutting down the reactor plant and stopping uh, there are various reasons why does she do this, but this is terrorism in the end. and this is the first question that the station should be connected in order for it to be safe and secure, including the current occupation. another question is that this

station , of course. electricity from europe for stabilization, we could be a certain sponsor of the common system of ours with european systems in order to get through this winter because the station is powerful and there is enough fuel in the west and it would be possible to do it, it is already others the question is if it can be done, that is, it will be better to get through the winter and there will be fewer risks, but if they are not this station, it will simply be connected, then this is enough from the point of view of security, and a paper disconnection, we have already heard that there are risks, but still they are insignificant, the system has is there a significant reserve of our system for the russians? well, just to understand the logic. well, we understand that the main goal is the nuclear blackmail of europe, and we agree with mr. kuleba, who says that it is

there in order to remove and weaken sanctions sanctions pressure, but in theory they may somehow need the zaporizhia nuclear power plant . well, there for their own needs. maybe there is a way to redirect electricity to the crimean peninsula. network because the other america, it is already connected to the european one, there are other frequency parameters. it is not possible to connect them so easily, it was necessary to destroy all communication lines with the ukrainian network and then tell the world. look, there will be a disaster, there will be tricks a let's join the russian system there , this one will provide everything, security will be the first plan. now they are blackmailing me. it seems to me that they are no longer planning to join crimea to the crimean system, which is synchronized with the russian one, but they

are trying to blackmail by saying that well, we can make your winter and your electricity generation easier if you make certain concessions and we will allow the zaporizhzhia station to be used, we will create conditions for generation to go, including to ukraine. well, to europe, here is now blackmail, i think i understand the essence of this blackmail that russia is currently carrying out, well, when it comes to this, it is certain that there is nothing to hide after all. i'm intelligent, my mother was a parliamentarian, a professor of psychology, she was savidisy, and we were small, she had such a late child, and he did such things that were completely out of character for them, i asked him what happened and

it turns out that russia turned off the gas to all schools then and they closed all the schools and said that the children are not going. they are at home. they are in the fourth grade . before that, they gathered in their school and said that it is better to be peaceful than we will be stupid. we will not learn and russia will defeat us. standing and when i stand now, someone starts saying that it can be done somewhere. well, let's go. let's survive this winter. no, first of all, we have enough resources, including, as mr. oleksandr said, what mykola is against, and of course we will strongly resist using it as firewood, and it can harm to our forest resources but of course we don't have to survive this winter, but we have a lot of resources that can provide wind and solar and bioenergy generation, which we have been building for many years

. blackmail to give in and so on because europe has already agreed to it, they have already said that we will tighten our belts, dress warmer, but not surrender to russia, and that is why i think that we all need to be aware that this is precisely the challenge that russia cannot survive, and those other why did they come here, it is from the toilet in buchi to the nuclear plant where there are blocks of the largest plant in europe, this is a typical thief who steals everything, i was a witness for eight years, that part of donbas well, they just cut all the enterprises, took away all the valuable equipment, they need to build a beautiful power plant in balchevsk which alchevsk medical complex took away all these harmful emissions and processed them into useful energy. it cost 800 billion dollars at the time, a huge figure was in the 13th year, they took out all this equipment, this is just a country that everything

steals, and therefore it is possible to attribute some of her great intentions, it is not necessary to treat them as ordinary thieves, swindlers, just stop it and not succumb to any blackmail. especially since, in addition to ukraine, there are countries in this battle that russia still looks at, nuclear security is important and it is clearly understood by the whole world, and she once again emphasizes, returning to this resolution , that the head of the nuclear power plant once said that the deactivation of the chernobyl nuclear power plant was still not a threat, so colleagues called this the example of fokusima is not itself, not itself, the nuclear one exploded, but the blackout and the cessation of cooling, and this is precisely this threat, it exists now. that is why we need to put pressure on the president of ukraine, and all our diplomats are pursuing such a policy. and by the way, the ministry of environmental protection is preparing for two powerful

events in october er, the anniversary session of the ministers of the environment of all european countries, the environment for europe, where there is already a draft resolution in which it is written in black and white that russia is the aggressor, including damages, consequences and nuclear, and then there will be cop 27 in egypt is a climate conference. where russia is also condemned, there is a document that we have already lobbied for. the whole world has turned against the terrorists and against this armed attack. therefore, we just have to hold on, gain strength and hold on, and here i want to clarify, alexander, all the same now what is the condition of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, does it somehow meet the needs of ukraine ? it has been a few days since there is no electricity generation on

the territory of ukraine that is being supplied. what is happening inside can only be known in megatech, since their representatives remained there, ukraine does not have access to this information. unfortunately, on the other hand, telegram channels write that there is constant shelling or from the air from helicopters and from energodar planes in the camp, and some may get into the e this kind of blackmail takes place in a nuclear power plant. the combat method of blackmail takes place all the time. west of ukraine and recognition of the whole world by russia as a state sponsor of terrorism so that later this

blackmail is considered as uh and preemptive strikes are used, perhaps consider such a scenario so that russia does not behave so capriciously next to an extremely large reactor that is like uh six reactors uh, now at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, when one , that is, six chernobyls exploded in chernobyl, the world may now change its attitude and perhaps move to such a bottle of rather active intervention in the uh in the direction of security and countermeasures to the russian federation , the aggressor country, opponents. well, now the world is slowly moving towards recognizing russia as a sponsor of terrorism, and senators have even submitted a corresponding bill

to the congress, despite biden's statements that he is not yet ready to recognize is this somehow going to be able to speed up russia to remove its paws from the territory of the nuclear generation facilities of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, and it is possible that if they resort to this blackmail, they are playing out their last cards and this so this is hysteria and agony, you are absolutely right that they are playing their last card, uh, let's go in order, that is, they failed to take kyiv in two days. this is the first change in their goals. we will unblock everything and take out the stolen grain. it didn't work out. the world clearly supported ukraine. and now this is the third case when they

fail another blackmail. it takes a little time. the initiative on the battlefield is not in their favor. nord stream-2 was stopped even before the war in your studio. we said many times that the germans were about to launch this project, no one could say at the time . for example, on february 15, that this project would really be stopped. well, for this we had to come to bucha. tectonic changes took place in the political perception on the part of the same germans who implemented merkel's doctrine there for 17 years when she said that economic integration with the russians would lead to peace in europe, but this did not happen. therefore, this is the last trump in fact in in the meantime, i can't say when the russians will finally back off on this blackmail . today, the advantage is on the side of ukraine. yes, there is a threat, but let's appreciate what we have,

despite the tragedy, despite the difficulties. side, today the president of ukraine has the opportunity to put pressure on many european states that are still trying to protect some fake face of the rashists, so over time, i think ukraine and its partners will finish this issue to our benefit well, uh, it can also stop russia, at least we are talking about it, sanctions against russia and, in particular, our diplomats are calling for them to be adopted. what kind of restrictions should be, primarily financial, that is, the key here is access to large loans. that is, we understand that uh, nuclear power plants are being built there, a lot of billions of dollars are involved in preparation, design, then construction, launches, and so on, that is, it is possible to take such crazy money only when there is precisely the opportunity to access financial markets and to

large loans that can be closed for years and it will be the biggest blow and it would be good to convince some more nato members to stop nuclear projects - this is hungary and turkey. this would be very positive and it would speed things up is that the russian inadequacy would at least feel that the world has changed, alexander, we will issue bills to the russian federation for all these damages , in particular, for environmental damages, for damages to our environment , the environment, when is this and how is this possible, in which instance will we apply, we do not hear you sir oleksiy, we will give you the floor, and then oleksandr marikovskyi will join if he fixes the sound of the question , it is also the same thing to contact well, here, uh, i think

, after all, in this matter, we should wait for uh, international commercial arbitrations, you find an uh option well, for e.e. disruptive investments or something like that because this is the only mandatory tool, everything else, unfortunately, unfortunately, this is such a political entourage , we can usually consider it in the european court of human rights if it harms people. a criminal court, but these are still crimes , you won't get money there. you just accuse someone. we usually accuse russia as a state of individual persons - this is the international court of integrity in gas, such a tool, but in order to get money, i think you need to look for opportunities for international commercial arbitrations, how to get there under which, in which

form, to accuse terrasia of these violations , he knows for sure that we have to apply and prepare materials to the international criminal court, and in the roman statute of documents which, in fact, the international criminal court operates clearly specified crimes against humanity and against the environment and the international criminal court as well as the international court of justice must issue these verdicts they must record the fact of damage recognize all these facts in order to determine this value in general recognize its recovery is another process because it can be forms or reparations or maybe their money that is abroad, but we definitely have to go through these international institutions and the main thing is that it would be good for us push for the creation of a separate tribunal,

a separate trial of russia's crimes, and that's right, well, there is the practice of the international criminal court, but there is the practice of the nuremberg trials, and in fact, this history may repeat itself because of the huge volume of it, it is damage that cannot be measured by anything, it is infrastructural facilities - this is critical infrastructure - this is the death of people - this is the rape of children, this is crimes against the environment, that's why it's the amount of work so very quickly, eh, he definitely supports his colleagues regarding all instances, but court instances - it's a long time it is necessary to seize the state funds of the russian federation, seize the funds, freeze them and transfer them as the first tranche after the start of the restoration of ukraine, just like that. fast money, it will be much faster. and we will

get here later. to move along the given course or the course which ukraine has confirmed moving towards europe in our european integration aspirations. tymoshko, the head of the all-ukrainian environmental league and anton kuchukhid, an international political scientist, were with us in the studio. thank you, we were joined by oleksandr marikovsky, deputy chairman of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on environmental policy and nature management, as well as oleksiy yezhak, an expert of the national institute of strategic studies. thank you, thank you, thank you all. thank you to our viewers. for attention, and the marathon continues, the rescuer is an internal purpose, not an obligation, this is a mission, not a compulsion - this is a high spirit and greatness can be taught to keep a fire hose and it is impossible to teach how to save someone else's life, sometimes at the cost of one's own, the heart itself

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