and the dispatchers are trained for that, honestly, i can just calmly say that we are ready as far as it is . maybe in principle, that is, oleksia is right, because we should remind us that the first gas dispute with russia was the first gas war under yushchenko, and that then the operator of the gas transportation system, they learned how to switch the flow from west to east, east to west. in this way, the first time it was a shock , now it is already an expected scenario for which everyone knows how to prepare for which compressor stations to connect to pump gas on the contrary, that is, a surprise - it is not it will happen that we have synchronized our energy system with the european energy system, and these missile strikes, well, let's say, the situation at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant somehow affects the connection, let's try, and first of all, the very fact

of synchronization with the european energy system significantly strengthens the ukrainian energy system today we have the opportunity to take help from europe in situations when we do not have enough of our own electricity and very significant help, so the strength of the safety margin - this significantly increases, of course, the losses of large generators capacities such as zs, they are felt, but on the other hand, the safety margin of generating capacities for today is an important discussion. the ukrainian energy system is completely sufficient and the needs are closed and exports are allowed. another matter is that the attacks on another station continue and it is difficult to predict what will happen next . i want to ask you a question, mr. oleksiy, now they started hitting hydropower plants, how was it in kryvyi rih?

what can this lead to? first of all, we can look at the energy situation, yes, again. this is the loss of energy capacity in kryvyi rih . we currently see another problem in that there it seems that water has entered the tailings storage of some enterprises. that's why there is still pollution of this territory with water. but if we are discussing in the context of energy, then i would like to say a little bit that synchronization is of course helpful to us, we also need to understand that ukraine is a big enough country. we have significant distances, let's say on the territory, which are limited in fact, power lines, so we can expect that we will not have such significant

global problems, at least you never know how things will turn out, but rather we may have problems in the regions when we cannot transfer energy from one part of the country to other a- on the other hand, this means that we already have experience in repair work, that is, including in the front zone in combat. that is, we can count on sufficiently fast er, let's say bringing it to working condition, so yes, well, actually, we continue we, our air, were attacked by the russians, power plants, transformer nodes, oil depots , gas pipelines, communication centers, stations and ports, etc., such actions of the russian federation fall under the international legal definition of state

terrorism . to deprive the population of electricity and heat supply on the eve of the cold season however, ukraine is more than 80% ready for the heating season, prime minister denys said at a government meeting according to myhal, significant coal resources have been accumulated, gas is being pumped into storage facilities , ukraine is also forming agreements with partners on additional supplies of blue fuel. for emergency situations, almost one coma has already been purchased. 5,000 mobile generators, dozens of reserve boilers , an operational headquarters has been formed that will quickly solve any crisis issues first of all the issue of liquidation of the consequences and so we will

remind russia of our critical infrastructure in our studio oleksandr kharchenko director of the energy research center maksima gordus expert office in the reforms of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine and oleksiy pasyuk by skype specialist in environmental and energy issues oleksandr you said a little earlier in the course of the conversation that it is important to take into account the fact that we have losses in industry, so we can save somewhere and also in manpower, yes, that is, a soft passage is possible for everyone scenarios for this autumn-winter period, provided that people do not start returning en masse, this is the story, let's try to paint a picture in general, and there is no way for people to return to the front-line areas, so everything must be done by the government, everything must be done by the military, civil administrations on the ground so that people go where there are hostilities nearby, they did not

return. unfortunately, there is a real risk that it will be destroyed at any moment, just in one day , the parquet hall, which destroys the local thermal power plant. and what are we going to do? i would like to remind you that ukraine, unfortunately, has experience of such a situation as far back as 2007 in alchevsk in the winter due to an accident, the heating supply disappeared. actually, in a small town where the heating supply disappeared , it is impossible to survive in an apartment building. this is a problem . some warm blankets, no means will help, that is, we will evacuate up to 194 people in such situations for many apartments in the cold. in advance, then it is necessary to promptly have, uh, to have measures in life, there is no other advice, really, there is no

other advice, these people, if they do not leave in time , i am honest, i go on the air a lot, i am just saying people, if you see a real risk, what will happen to you there is a boiler room, it is alone and that a projectile could physically fly into it, here you are at such a distance, a trojan, that a projectile could fly, think about two things, first , where is there a house near you in the village where you can go to flood the stove there and stay there for two weeks, or maybe and more or think to whom you you will go to a part of ukraine that is far from hostilities, think about it now, if you don't want to go now, at least think over your plan. well, then let's talk in the context of advice to the ukrainians. that's how to protect yourself, how to prepare as much as possible every week. all the heads of the military administration of the front-line regions , please repeat. all the leaders of the military, please

leave the front-line zone, please, to luhansk . this style is also gaidai, luganchenko said they repeat it regularly and he is convinced that these rubber bands are half-made. we need to be far away, well, frankly speaking, how far does the russian federation shoot, uh, rocket, uh, it 's 40-60-70 km away, uh-uh in winter, it is better to stay away from this limit, up to which they can shoot such artillery, because, uh, missile ballistic winged - they don't have much left, of course, they can fly to any point in ukraine, there are no limits here, unfortunately, such risks, but they hail can deliver not everywhere and when they can to create together and there will be no better. this winter, this

advice can only be repeated one more time, because a simple person can't do anything, not only a simple person, er, it's even from the military, you can't make a rocket with hail, there's still technology for such we didn't get there, and that's why it's better to be there where it's not raining, mr. oleksiy, how important it is for ukrainians not to underestimate such risks, because they say that people get used to everything. big cities people are returning to the same kharkiv, mykolaiv. although they are also near the front, how important is it for people to really understand the situation and the risks that they can face, well, the risk is very simple. of course, it is freezing and not having access to water, and it is really difficult to do anything in a big city, there is a chance that there

let's say if one of the district boiler houses is destroyed, then there are other things that can be decided. but if it is a smaller city, well, i can only agree that we have to leave because what is happening, what is happening, what is stopping the entire infrastructure, now this is the situation that even people live there with gas in the apartment, but there is no electricity and this gas is not available because you wanted it to work. yes, that is, of course, it is better to do it in an organized way before any problem occurs. well, let's say wait. yes, but there are still many consequences from the same rocket mass strikes or from the use of the rsvv, i’m here for

oleksiy now i want to update one point recently i read that the result of these missile strikes is that they lead to acid rain everything harms not only the environment, everything harms people a-a well, we understand how much the situation is, how much the atmosphere and territory is polluted in general, not only this, but the land is meant and the air we breathe in the east of ukraine or in the in those territories where there is constant shelling , you can confirm or deny this information that i just voiced about acid rain as a result of rocket attacks . acid rains. that is, we see that

people continued to stay in the occupied territories . raisins, they continued for half a year. they lived in basements for half a year because they simply did not have time to leave uhu. well, of course there are a number of problems. i would not talk so much about the problems, we are directly related with the ruptures of the projectiles, but with the way they hit, yes, that is, we have examples of bases, yes, the smearing of combustible materials, or, well , that is, intervention in chemical tanks with acids, that is, this is the usual one that creates ecological problems, but for us, first of all, this is a question of what kind of long-term moral problem of pollution, which will then have to be decided to be solved, and for people now it is a problem of simply surviving directly from the hostilities, it is absolutely true, maksimenko, of the logical

consequences of nature, to conduct an assessment there is a lot of great damage from this war er, in different directions, firstly, a lot of forests are occupied , mined, or burned, the fire continues now already in the fall, there will be fewer fires, secondly, there is a lot of soil pollution, a huge number of toxic substances as a result, for example, few people know, but uh, every shot from a rocket is pollution of a certain area with heavy metals, and technically it will be very difficult to clean it, a song of mines, a lot of territory is mined, then fires release a lot of harmful substances into the atmosphere or already in us all the time. sometimes they get into chemical enterprises, as was the case in north donetsk, where uh-uh, there was a warehouse and so on. and we have

many national pairs in the east, which is occupied, and this is the same askania, our new pearl of ukraine uh-uh nothing good is happening there, because no one starts and monitors the technique, the fragile ecosystem has been disturbed because they are in that national party, or there is a fragile ecosystem, that is, it is a pity for the long-term environment, we will continue to count it for years and restore these areas. the funds are part of these from all the problems. we cannot restore them, that is, when we calculate the losses , and this is a large part of the losses, that is, what is costing us problems, but this does not mean that having we can return this money to the one it was pledged to, and this is also important to understand, because one of the things that i have seen is that they are evaluating, this is

only what it costs. -e units to somehow present although in fact these are the consequences of such long-term long-term precisely for the environment and for the future health, let's say lviv but we ca n't refuse like this and do nothing not count and not present already there in some the institutions are definitely just talking about what seems to me to the panel, i emphasize that once upon a time, a unique biosystem can already be in the form in which it was, unfortunately, it died and uh, we will restore something, we will grow something new there, but it will already be new and exactly what it was. unfortunately, it will go back quite likely. if we have already touched on the monetary aspect, then i would like to talk about these operational adjustments, repairs that occur after the shelling, we are not talking about the ecosystem right now, but

about the money from which funds this is happening operational restoration operational repairs because it is clear that the kings were formulating a budget for the 22nd year well, surely they hardly took into account the fact that we may have such extraordinary situations, so where do the funds accumulate when it is necessary now a multi-level system, first of all, if we are talking about electrical networks in the evenings they belong to ukrenergo and now it is a heroic organization because, for example, people died after the last attack on kharkiv from ukrenergo because they are like military people firefighters that's where uh, up to the line, almost the implementation of everything, everything, everything, everything is being restored, and uh, they have a margin of safety, at one time it was the first corporate reform, once, uh, they accumulated funds 2, and they

export electricity to europe thanks to our alarm systems, three and have profits that, among other things, allow for these inter-regional things , and then we have a universal energy supplier at the regional level, what is easier to say is oblenergo. also, here we prepared in advance, because we made a reform of the so -called rnb e regulation and they accumulated if the funds are honest, these funds are intended for investments, the time is not a good time for investments, but they are not back-to-back. well, for 1 hryvnia for work, i did not lose one, they have a certain gap, which should be for investments at once, these funds go to the restoration of what has just been destroyed and this is also happening, oblenergo is now very often due to the fact that this reform was carried out two years ago and they already have such under the pillow, a certain amount

of strength funds and a margin of strength for such, of course, they thought that it would be construction of new and on improvement of services and for the time being on preservation of positions such as they are and the third - it is the same with gas as two-level, this is the main gas pipelines is one thing and oblgaz is another. and to the master's degree pipelines as eh p oksano already said they are so far they were not badly damaged because, to be honest, it doesn’t make much sense because it’s easier for the russians to press the button and uh, and the gas won’t be damaged because of this. i’m sorry to interrupt, but the main gas pipelines can withstand a pressure of 75 atmospheres and are actually buried under the ground for two or two and a half meters, that is, where the pipes go they will withstand a nuclear meltdown, well, they were built that way. well, there are no major issues raised there, but regional gas, too

, we have something with the regional electric grids, they have messed up everything, and they also go directly behind the front, and there are also many losses for this the war, uh, a lot of gas workers died, unfortunately, because they go only uh, they liberated the village, they go uh, after the troops and they buzz into the villages, well, this is so current, you can say uh, repairs and the use of funds in extreme situations. do we understand or does the government already understand at what cost and how the reconstruction of critical infrastructure should be carried out, well, first of all, we do not know how much will be rebuilt, we do not know to what extent the destruction of our critical infrastructure will reach during the war maxim, it will be necessary , one of the things has changed every week, and maybe we will have to build non-chp power

pumps there on a quarterly basis, this will be the next thing that the government is doing wisely. in my opinion, i know that at the nsdc there is a whole center that collects all information there and mine infrastructure and nsdc and several other organizations, they collect a common database of all damage, including critical infrastructure, and when we understand how the war ended, then we will determine and what to rebuild. there was light, gas, water, this is the main task, when the war ends, when we see what was destroyed, what was not destroyed, we will understand better what needs to be rebuilt, for sure we do not need already a text on coal to rebuild there in a big city, for sure we will not, that is, the future will be based on individual life systems, on central heating, but it will be completely different, they will be there er green, they will reduce emissions, they will be

integrated with er water technologies, it will be a completely different level of energy infrastructure than we have today. everyone understands this, but it is impossible to say today that here should be replaced with this , we must first understand the general picture, well , you know, there are many things, a very bad example now i will cite mariupol, which is very unpleasant for me, it has been completely destroyed, no one will restore what was there, there will be something new, different in terms of quality, different in terms of technology, different in terms of the result, it will be completely different, but we know that you have restored it absolutely correctly, mr. oleksiy, i wanted from you to ask how the logic has changed, in particular, approaches to energy, to alternative, to green energy, taking into account that, for example, now, yes, we have an extreme situation and coal comes to the rescue. and as we know, coal is one of of the most ecological and energy resources, this is exactly what

the conclusions will be after this heating season, and not only for ukraine, but also for the whole of europe , and i am not sure what you mean when you say that coal comes to the rescue, well, that is, it is clear that if it happens if more a stable option if you want to keep warm, mr. oleksiy, ah, i think that we are talking about the fact that in europe , due to the lack of gas, many countries have also restored nuclear power plants and even launched coal-fired power plants that have been in operation for many years conservations stood in order to maintain electricity now. this is definitely not true. that is right , the energy industry is currently under discussion, although it is possible that it should not be closed, for example, in germany, and the test stations that should be closed nuclear ones. and this, but there are no such solutions, they

are postponed until the moment when will be the last let's say opportunities for support to conduct a short lecture then poland is building six nuclear power plants france reveals the program of news these are already approved things words first of all france is now in the situation that its stations were standing and they actually had to import electricity because nuclear power does not give them what they expected and each discussion of each individual reactor drags on for a very long time and poland is building 6 reactors, that is as long as poland is independent, so they are building them not we understood half of it will not happen, but johnson just said in britain that we will build a new reactor and immediately idea. the french company that should do it said that they are not ready to do it, so the situation is like this, and i think that we

we have to understand now and draw conclusions that the power supply system is centralized, which is it , is it more or less safe. it is because of the centralization that we have a situation where the zaporizhzhia station is the only one, but its outages already create a significant problem for the entire network, so ... in any case, the future is based on the decentralization of electrical production. that is, i agree with the addition of heating. it is a bad idea . heat pumps are what should be, and currently the european union is already making a decision to simply prohibit the installation of gas boilers in the coming years, and now we see that, for example, in cities such as ivano-frankivsk, they switch to individual gas heating, although in a few years,

if we move towards the candidate eu that this is a very important moment now that there are already plans, that is, i agree that we should see that it is great that you are somewhere , but ukraine already offers plans, and these plans were presented to those in the meadows, and these plans are already written down everything for everyone, that is, they were written there so that any er energy has received something, but it will not work like that, and therefore it is very important to make these decisions now that we have to go er on the path of such decentralized renewable energy , but if for the sake of victory you need to burn er, there is a certain amount of coal we will burn it and it will definitely and definitely win, thank you, we don't have time for problems in this studio, we will remind you that you were

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