the instructions are on the tables and the training dispatchers are here, honestly, i can just calmly say that we are ready as far as it is. maybe in principle oleksia is like that, because uh, we should remind us that the first gas dispute with russia was the first gas war under yushchenko and that was when choosing a gas transportation system, they learned to switch the flow from west to east, east to west. thus, the first time it was a shock, now it is already an expected scenario for which everyone knows how to prepare and which compressor stations to connect to pump on the contrary gas, that is, it will not be a surprise, but the fact that we have synchronized our energy system with the european energy system, and these missile strikes, well, let's say that the situation at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant somehow affects the connection, let's try, and first of all, the very fact of synchronization with the

european energy system is significant strengthens the ukrainian energy system, today we have the opportunity to take help from europe in situations when we do not have enough of our own electricity and help is very important, therefore, the strength of the margin of safety - this significantly increases and, of course, lost large of generating capacities e-e, such as zs, they are felt, but on the other hand, the safety margin of generating capacities for today is an important discussion, the ukrainian energy system is absolutely sufficient and covers the needs and allows exports. another matter is that attacks on other stations continue and it is difficult to predict what will happen next. oleksia, by profession, i want to ask you a question. oleksia , eh, now they started hitting hydropower plants, eh, how was it in kryvyi rih , eh ?

during the winter, yes. what can this lead to if we are discussing in the context of energy? i would like to say a little bit that synchronization is of course helpful to us. we also need to understand that ukraine is a large enough country. we have significant distances . on the territory that is actually limited by power lines, so we can expect that we will not have significant such global problems, at least you never know how events will go but rather we may have problems in the regions when we cannot to transfer energy from one part of the country to another , that is, we have, on the other hand, this means that there is already experience in repair work, that is, including in the

front zone in combat, that is, we can count on sufficiently fast er, let's say, bringing to working condition what will be yes, we continue our broadcasting under the attack of the russians, power plants, transformer nodes, oil depots , gas pipelines, central stations and ports, etc., such actions of the russian federation fall under the international legal definition of the state of terrorism in september, after the defeat of the occupiers in the kharkiv region, the enemy sent attacks on ukrainian energy facilities, his plans to deprive the population of electricity and heat supply on the eve of the cold season, however, ukraine is more than 80% ready for the heating season , the prime minister said this at a government meeting according to minister denysh myhal, significant coal resources have been accumulated, gas is being pumped into storage facilities , ukraine is also forming agreements with partners

on additional supplies of blue fuel prime minister assured that they are ready for all possible scenarios so that this winter ukrainians will have warmth, light and water . uah 1.4 billion have been allocated to prepare for emergency situations. almost one coma has already been purchased. 5,000 mobile generators, dozens of reserve boilers , an operational headquarters has been formed that will quickly resolve any crisis issues. first of all , the issue of liquidation of the consequences of russia's critical infrastructure will be reminded in our studio oleksandr kharchenko director of the energy research center maksym gardus expert office in reforms the cabinet of ministers of ukraine and oleksiy pasyuk , an expert on environmental and energy issues, oleksandr, via skype, a little earlier in the conversation, you said that it is important to take into account the fact that we have losses in industry, so we can

save somewhere, as well as in manpower, and that is, the possible passage of m what is the outcome of this autumn-winter period under all scenarios, provided that people do not start returning en masse? and you know, this is the story here, let's try to paint a picture in general, and in the front-line areas, people there is no going back, everything has to be done by the government, everything has to be done by the military, civil administrations on the ground, so that people go to nearby places where the combatants go and do not return. unfortunately, there is a real risk that it will be destroyed at any moment, just in one day , the parquet floor that destroys... local thermal power plant and what will we do? i will remind you that ukraine, unfortunately, has experience of such a situation in the distant year 2000 in alchevsk in the winter due to an accident, the heat supply disappeared. in fact,

in a small town, the heat supply disappeared. it is impossible to survive in an apartment building, this is a problem, the sewage system does not work, the house freezes in conditions of negative temperatures, no warm sleeping pads, some warm blankets, no means will help, that is, we will evacuate 100% of apartment buildings. in such situations yes in chaos and why in chaos if people didn't leave in advance then they really had to be taken for there is no other advice really there is no other advice these people if they didn't leave early i'm honest i go on the air a lot i just say people if you you see the real risk of what will happen if you have a boiler house, it is one and that a projectile can fly into it physically, but you are at such a distance that a projectile can fly, think about two things: first , where is there a house near you in the village that you can

go and flood there oven and stay there for two weeks or maybe more, or think about whom you will go to in a part of ukraine that is far from hostilities, think about it now, if you don't want to go now, at least think about your plan well, then let's talk in the context of advice for ukrainians, this is how to protect yourself, how to prepare as much as possible, as far as i know, every week. all the heads of the military administration of the front - line regions repeat, please. said the governor of mykolaiv on this style of the church and hey, luhanchenko said it should be repeated regularly and is convinced that there should be tszynyks. well, roughly speaking, how far does the russian federation, e.e., rockets

, it’s 40-60-70 km away, e.e., in winter, it’s better to stay away from this limit. and i, to which they can shoot e.e. such artillery, because e.e. ballistic missiles fly - they don't have much left, of course they can fly to any point in ukraine, there are no restrictions here. unfortunately, there are such risks , but they can't deliver from hail to everywhere, and when she can meet with the council, and it won't be better there. this winter, this one is only possible repeat once, because a simple person cannot do anything only a simple person, eh, even from military service, you can’t shoot down a rocket with hail. technology hasn’t reached such a level yet. aa, so it’s better to be where it won’t lead. everything, mr. oleksiy, how important it is for ukrainians not to underestimate such

risks, because they say that a person before we get used to everything, we see that in mykolaiv they have already got used to living with technical water without having drinking water and at the same time they return to big cities, people return to the same kharkiv mykolaiv although they are also near the front, how important it is for people to understand in reality, the situation and the risks that you can face, well, the risk is very simple. of course, it is freezing and not having access to water, and it is really difficult to do anything in a big city. but if it's a smaller city, well, i can only agree that you have to leave because what's happening is that the entire infrastructure is stopped. now there's such a situation that even people live there with gas in their apartments, but there's no

electricity and there's no gas because of the fact that you do the hotel is working yes, that is, of course, it is better to do it in an organized way before some problem occurs. e mass strikes or from the use of e-e rszv i ot p oleksia now i want to update one point recently i read that as a result of these missile strikes e-e they lead to acid rain e-e all this harms not only the environment it all harms people but - well, we understand the situation how polluted is the atmosphere and

the territory in general, not only this, but the land is meant, and the air we breathe in the east of ukraine or in those territories where there is constant shelling, can you confirm or deny this information that i just announced about acid rain as a result of rocket launchers, guys, let's not mix these two problems because if you find yourself in a war zone, you don't like acid rain. that is , we see this, and people continued to stay in the occupied territories, they are the same raisins they continued for half a year, they lived in basements because they simply did not have time to leave uhu well, of course, there are a number of problems. i would not talk so much about the problems, we are directly connected with the ruptures of the shells there, but with where they hit, yes, that is, we have examples er, bases, er,

lubricants, combustible materials, or, well, that is, intervention in a chemical tank with acids. that is, it creates environmental problems, but for us, first of all, this is a question of what kind of pre-term pollution problem will have to be solved later to solve and for people now it is a problem just to survive directly from hostilities it is absolutely true p oxano ecological consequences of nature to carry out an assessment there is a lot of great damage from this war eh in different directions first of all a lot of forests are occupied mined or burned fire continues now already in autumn, there will be fewer fires, and secondly, there will be a large amount of soil pollution with toxic substances as a

result, for example, few people know, but every shot from a rocket is pollution of a certain area with heavy metals and technically, it will be very difficult to clean the landmines, a lot of territory is mined, then fires emit a lot of harmful substances into the atmosphere, or we have it all the time . and so on. and we have many national pairs in the east, which is occupied, and this is the same askania, our new pearl of ukraine, uh, nothing good is happening there, because no one will start, follow the technique , the fragile ecosystem has been disturbed, because they are on the the national parking is there the screams of the ecosystem, that is, it is a pity, the long-term environment, we will continue to count and restore these areas for years, it is

going in many directions, unfortunately, and we will be able to get these funds, eh. part of these problems, we can not restore them, that is, when we count it losses, and this is a large part of losses, that is, what uh costs us problems, but this does not mean that having this money we can return it to the mortgage in which it was, and this is also important to understand because one of the things that i saw what is being assessed is that it is only worth it. for us, it is to solve problems, but it is not a solved problem , it is an assessment of the consequences, as i am trying to somehow present in monetary units, although in fact these consequences are long-term, long- term precisely for the environment and for the future of health, let's say for that we cannot refuse and do nothing, do not count and

do not present already there in some institutions, of course, it is simply a matter of what seems to me to be a plexi, i emphasize that for once unique the biosystem may already be in the form in which it was, unfortunately, it died and uh, we are restoring something, we, we will grow something new there, but it will already be new, exactly what it was. from the monetary aspect, i would like to talk about these operational repairs and repairs that occur after the shelling. we are not talking about the ecosystem right now, but specifically about the money from which funds this operational restoration and operational repairs are taking place, because it is clear that the kings were forming a budget for the 22nd year. i hardly considered it on the fact that we may have such freelance situations, where do funds accumulate when necessary for now the fact is that this is a multi-level system, first of all, if we are talking about electrical

networks between regional, roughly speaking, main lines vechoria, they belong to ukrenergo and now it is a heroic organization because for example, people died after during the last attack on kharkiv, it was from ukrenergo, because they are like soldiers, like firefighters . that's where uh, up to the line, almost by collisions, that's all , everything, everything, everything is being restored, and uh, they have a reserve strength was at one time the first corporate reform once e she accumulated funds 2 and they conduct electricity exports to europe thanks to our signaling three and have profits which include allowing for these inter-regional things further go to us e-e universal energy suppliers at the oblast level what is easier to say oblenergo also here we prepared in advance because we did the reform of the so-called er-e rnb e

regulation and they accumulated funds, to be honest these funds are intended for investments time not very time for investments, however, they do not have vprityk, well, they lost one for 1 hryvnia per job, no, they have certain gaps that should be for investments at once, these funds go to the restoration of the house that has just been destroyed, and this is also happening, and oblenergo is now very often due to the fact that this reform was carried out two years ago and they already have such a certain amount of funds under the pillow and a margin of safety for such, of course they thought that it would be for the construction of new ones and for the improvement of services, and so far they are on the preservation of such positions they are and the third is the same with gas two-level, this is the main e-e gas pipelines are one thing and oblgaz is another and the main e pipelines are like e-e p oksano already said that they

have not been badly damaged so far, because to be honest, it does not make much sense because it is easier for the russians to press the button and er, and the gas will not be damaged, maksym. sorry to interrupt, but the main gas pipelines can withstand a pressure of 75 atmospheres and are actually buried two and a half meters underground, that is, where the pipes go, they are atomic explosions, you can withstand it, well, they were built that way. well, that's where the most no big there are no big questions about them, but about the regional gas network, the same one, we have something with the regional electricity networks there, they are doing it, and they are also going directly behind the front, there are also many losses during this war, uh, a lot of gas workers died, unfortunately, because they they go only to the village they liberated, they follow the troops and they are buzzing in the villages, well, they are so current, you can say , uh, repairs and the use of funds in

extreme situations. this is the restoration of the critical infrastructure, well, look, first of all, we don't know how long it will be rebuilt, we don't know to what extent the destruction of our critical infrastructure during the war will be necessary, well, a change , and maybe we will have to build heat pumps instead of chp there in the quarterly mode, it will be the next thing that the government is doing smartly. in my opinion, and i know that the nsdc operates a whole center that collects all the information there and mine infrastructure and the nsdc and several other organizations , they collect a common database of all damages in including critical infrastructure, and when we understand how the war ended, then we will determine what to rebuild. now we have

to support life. now we have to quickly restore people to have light, gas, water. this is the main task. when the war ends, when we see what was destroyed and what was not destroyed. we will understand better what needs to be built, for sure we do not need to rebuild the text on coal there in the big city, for sure we will not be this future according to individual systems of life according to central heating, but they will be completely different, they will be green, they will be focused on reducing emissions, they will be integrated with water technologies, it will be a completely different level of energy infrastructure than we have today. it is impossible, we must first understand the general picture, you know, there are many things, a very bad example, now i will give an example that is very unpleasant for me, mariupol, it is completely destroyed

there, what was there, no one will restore what was there, there will be something new, something different in terms of quality the technology is different for the atom, it will be completely different , but we know that we will restore it absolutely correctly , mr. oleksiy, i wanted to ask you how the logic of the agreement has changed from energy to alternative to green energy, taking into account that, for example , now, yes, we have an extreme situation and coal comes to everyone's aid, and as we know coal is one of the most environmentally friendly types of energy resources, this is exactly what the conclusions will be after this heating season, and not only for ukraine, but also for the whole of europe, and i'm not sure that you mean when you say that coal comes to the rescue, well, that is, it is clear that if it happens that coal, well, let's say it is a more stable option if you want to warm

up . in europe, due to the lack of gas, many countries have also restored nuclear power plants and even launched coal-fired power plants that have been operating for many years simply in order to maintain the current electrical balance, this is definitely not true. what is possible should not be closed, for example in germany yes test stations that should be closed nuclear and this, but there are no such solutions, they are postponed until the moment when it will not be the last opportunity for support, let's say, conduct a short lecture then poland is building six nuclear power plants france is revealing the program for eight, these are already approved things, first of all, france is now in a situation where its stations were standing still and they

actually had to import electricity because nuclear power does not give them what they expected there was every discussion of each individual reactor , it has been going on for a very long time and six reactors are being built in poland, that is as long as there is an independent poland, so they are building them, they did not understand half of it will not happen, but johnson just said in britain that we will build a new reactor and right away idea the french company that should do it said that they are not ready to do it, so the situation is like this, and i think this is what we have to understand now and what conclusions to draw. what is the centralized power supply system ? centralization because we have a situation where the zaporizhzhia station is the only one, but its disconnection already creates a significant problem for the entire network, so the

future is in any case for the decentralization of electric production. that is, i agree with the fact that he deduval heating. a really bad idea, the heat pump is what it should be and at the moment the european union is already making a decision to simply ban the installation of gas boilers there in the coming years, and now we are seeing that, for example, in cities such as ivano-frankivsk, they are switching to individual gas heating, although in a few years, if we move towards a candidate for eu membership today, it should, then we have to give it up, i think that this is a very important moment now that there is already a flag, that is, i agree that we should see that it is great that you are somewhere but ukraine is already proposing plans, and these plans were presented to them in the meadows, and everything

for everyone is already written in these plans, that is, they wrote there that any e-e energy received something, but it will not work like that, and therefore it is very important to make these decisions about that we have to follow the path of decentralized renewable energy, well, if for the sake of victory it is necessary to burn a certain amount of coal, then we will burn and we will definitely and definitely win, thanks to the time of problems in this studio, we will remind you that oleksandr kharchenko, director of the energy research center, was with us. thank you, maksym garbuz, expert office of reforms of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, and oleksiy pasyuk, a specialist in environmental and energy issues, joined us via skype. thank you all for the professional conversation we remind our viewers that the marathon is going on, so

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