at the beginning of the war, they joked that they bought 50,000 packages, that they had opened concentration camps, that they had cars, mobile crematoriums, we joked like that, but that was all for us, you understand. they wanted to capture kyiv in three days and then start cleaning it up. and here you are all the residents said that when they entered, they purposefully went to the addresses that they had, where the atov people lived, who had weapons, and of course they took these people if they were there, they tortured many of them, they still cannot find, of course, who was there, for example in fishing or in e-e well fishing gear, there is some kind of pixno, not pixel, that uniform was shot. and the local residents tell how my grandfather rode a bicycle there for 65 years. and he had a jacket, after he was simply shot because he was in this camouflage uniform, of course, look when he drove into

i got a tear right away. well, there was an association that reminded me of borodyanka. when i went to borodyanka, i saw a house like this, which was like a payment. local residents of borodyanka said that in this house, at the same time, it was raided only there was an aviation bomb, 46 people died, and many such houses will be repelled by igor , so people were hiding in the basement there, and it turned out, and there were also children there at the same time. there are crosses, one family that died in one day. well, it's simple. well, how terrible. for example, yesterday, for example, what they told me was that there was only one family there. was there something there? did they repair something there? then they sat down there to eat dinner here again . uh, there was a raid and three people

died simply from one uh from one how is it uh from one projectile in general there are a lot of stories, that is , you are walking along the raisin. yes, you can see all the destruction , but the streets were cleaned up a little. during the occupation, bodies were lying on the streets just like we remember in buchi, but here i think there will be even more victims here than in buchi, eh, that is, people were not allowed to hide and take eh, then, for example, already before the liberation, they also told where the number of one couple was and they passed the russian checkpoint, and when they passed they were simply shot laughed in the back that is, well, they were just having fun, someone was riding a bicycle there, they were shot, and well, i don’t know. i think you know that such slaves came to us, some barbarians of the middle ages, not people, but that’s right,

one woman said non-humans, and here they want to show what kind of masters they are. and one is allowed everything, what is allowed to them, what they can do, what they can rape, they can kill, they can torture people, and that is why they all fall, i would like to clarify with you, you mentioned the lists of people that the occupiers of people had whom they tortured or simply shot, forgive me for this, just how these lists were compiled, do you have information that maybe someone collaborated in compiling lists of local people to be shot, well, remember even before the start of the war, there was already this information that the russians already had these lists, of course and some of our collaborators, and you remember from the psg party, some also talked about the firing lists, that is, this information was not a

secret for us, that is, local collaborators helped in all cities. that is where the rashists went, that is, already there were such lists about collaborators, even in izyum. that is, we were well prepared to meet them there, but the collaborators. he surrounded the russian troops and, in fact, the russians came out there. just as this cemetery goes there, closer to the river, just as they went to the rear, it turns out that a little on the other hand, where did the russian troops enter? precisely because of the collaborators. and there are a lot of such stories that are told. and when they handed over, if they were not even lists, but handed over, who was a volunteer, who was an anti-terrorist operation, who fought strongly in the armed forces, that is, well unfortunately this phenomenon was and unfortunately is thank you very much for this honest conversation and for what you are doing for ukraine ihor zakharenko tv presenter photographer mandrivnyk who is currently in izyum worked

for you dear tv viewers live on the espresso channel at eight o'clock 34 minutes anna valevska thank you, not everything that the occupiers did and left behind is because the war continues and continues and we have to remember it all now , record the information about the identification of the bodies that were discovered in the mass graves near the raisin of kharkiv of the region is still ongoing and some of the dead have already been identified iryna vereshchuk and the minister for reintegration of the temporarily occupied territories said about this well, she also said that every day she maintains contact with the commissioner for the rights of the missing oleg the kitten, he is in izyum, we will include yevhen zakharova is the head of the board of the ukrainian agency union and for human rights, and the co-chair of the kharkiv human rights group yevgeny. we congratulate you. good

morning. good health. i am the association of crimes yes of the specific culprits, we understand that recording all those things in our law enforcement system is one of the most important things for us, that all international institutions of the appropriate direction should be involved, that all the evidence should be put to the test, that the entire case should not raise any questions for anyone, it is about all international institutions in particular, the tribunal in the hague, mr. yevgeny, what can be improved, what is the current state of things? well, i can say that those human rights organizations that united within the initiative of the tribunal for putin mine, we call those fopi, they document er crimes committed by russians not on the entire territory of ukraine, and today in our database there are

already about 19,500 episodes of crimes, each er episode must necessarily have a link to evidence, it is media files, photos, videos, it publications are interviews with victims and witnesses, interviewing them and so on. and by the way, people from the international criminal court saw this. i personally showed them this database. they said that they will work with it. and i want to to mention about our topic that now a lot is being said about the murdered i i would like to draw attention to one more phenomenon, the disappearance of people in the occupied territories in our database - 2,469 such cases, of which

more than half of the 1,420 are documented in kharkiv oblast, and if you look at who disappears, you can clearly see that people who are found are disappearing about the ukrainian position, or former combatants in the previous phase of the war, or civil servants or local government employees, deputies , teachers, journalists, priests, such people are disappearing and this element of russian politics is actually the discovery of their genocidal plan, the main motive of this war is to destroy the ukrainian state and the ukrainian people, who represent themselves and unite with the ukrainian state. others can be left

alive if they are obedient . in relation to uh, for russia they are tortured, they are arrested, they disappear, and i must say that the number of these habits is very large and a very large number of violent ones will disappear, these are such disappearances when people disappear and their whereabouts are unknown are present and there is no answer to all inquiries regarding this, they touched on an extremely important point, it is about that in simple language who tortures who kills so because , well, in the public consciousness there is an idea of ​​so to speak buryats of some caucasians and so on and so on and here how much i understand that we are talking about deliberate genocidal practices that are not carried out at the level of commanders of individual units, so that

they exterminate people, so to speak, but we are talking about deliberate strategic work, including lists that, as far as i understand, were drawn up in advance. yes you are absolutely right. this is exactly the way politics is, and this can be confirmed, for example, by the fact that, for example, people were killed in buchi in the kharkiv region and in some other places that had already been liberated. this shows that there is probably an order that dictates this method of killing and that

men are killed first of all or the fsb or some more stories. i think that these orders go to the kremlin and then they go vertically lower, below and reach the usual command ditches, which by the way, we have the opposite facts when some commanders, well, russian well, i absolutely now it sounds, but they still showed humanity and did not kill, even saved wounded ukrainians there , for example, and so on, but it was not often . you can look through it and look at it

specific procedures and processes that exist well, for example, this concerns children who were taken to russia because a decree was issued on the simplified simplified admission to russian citizenship on the one hand, and on the other hand, a normative document was adopted on the simplification of adoption and adoption, and all this is being done without a doubt, with one goal to get the children out of here , i mean orphan children and the children of those who are deprived of parental rights, to distribute them to families in russia and to deprive them of their ukrainian identity, they simply will not even be children to know that they were born in ukraine, not in ukraine , those who are the most valuable to us in the ukrainian gene pool mr. yevgeny, but the un mission wants to point out such a very

important element of genocide, because this is the future, mr. yevheny, of the un mission that should arrive in izyum to record crimes, do you have any hopes on the effectiveness of this work and the results. i mean, then, prosecution and fixation, well, the place of the un for human rights, which works in ukraine, they are all very professional, if you take all the non-state institutions, they know most of all, because they have the opportunity to receive information, the most and the best access to information to different places, so i think that their efforts will be fruitful, i also want to say about antin borkovsky's question about international institutions, their participation."

in the kharkiv region, our investigative department has more than 400 crimes for each investigator that need to be investigated, it's simply impossible, it's uh, they

work uh, uh, very much and very fruitfully. mr. yevgeny i can imagine him very well volume of work, and at the same time, it was not for nothing that i spoke about the collection of non-genuine and irrefutable records and evidence, we remember how the nazis actively defended themselves during the nuremberg tribunal, talking about the lack of a written order and so on, that is, an extremely powerful institutional structure must work that would collect those she codified all the evidence and presented it to the relevant international institution, but the czech republic is now calling for the creation of a tribunal for war victims, well, this is the position of the state, that is, that we and uh, this position is known and they are seriously engaged in this already written the statute of this tribunal, well, it is uh, it is personally

dealt with by anton kalinevych, the former representative of the president in crimea, now he is a special envoy on these issues and they deal with it, but here there is a problem related to the fact that there will be no full legitimacy of this tribunal, you understand. i think that eh i'm finished, mr. yevhena , write it down in kyiv, you must make changes to the criminal procedural legislation so that other groups of investigators can work on such things as peeling five, let's say those who have a recording from space which provides a lot of data, we don’t have such a thing, but they have it, but in fact, we can’t use it with them now because there is no legal basis for it. it is absolutely necessary to change it even without it. by the way, this tribunal

will be hanged thank you, mr. yevgeny , for this serious warning. i hope it will be heard at the bank, in particular, the representatives of the monomajority together with the opposition are not working on the relevant legislative changes and clarifications yevhen zakharov , chairman of the board of the ukrainian helsinki union of of human rights, co-chairman of kharkivska law from one group, a legendary soviet dissident worked live on the espresso tv channel, and now anna valevska, we have denis popovych, a military observer is already joining us and we will ask him about all the military moments p. denis, we congratulate you. good morning, general the headquarters informs us that the occupiers are preparing retreat routes in the kherson region, nine wagons have been sunk. what do you know about this in the kherson region, they have little chance to hold this bridgehead, by and large there is a matter of time

arises let's say so fiercely voluntarily in view of the fact that very large let's say so very great work was done in order to put them in the way of logistics we remember the blows on the bridges we remember the blows about despite the exercises and it can be found or will be found in the near future, uh, uh , uh, regarding the supply or kit, and so on, without that it is impossible to maintain that bridgehead well, but still, they have to somehow try to provide for this matter and we understand how high the stakes are and how hard they will try carry out their next criminal orders, so they will try to install these or that pontoon or other temporary crossings, and how with all this work can it be clear in practice that they

will install crossings today was today i heard in the morning that another e-base was destroyed under the antonov bridge, it can be like a question of evacuation, preparation, and it can be like that in principle, a question, again, of supply with the help of these bz, how to fight it well, we have heard repeated messages from representatives commanding the south about the fact that now almost the entire kherson region well, in particular, the right bank of the kherson region is now under the constant fire of the ukrainian army, artillery fire, rocket fire, and so on, the only recipe is to destroy successively destroy these crossings and pontoon crossings and steam crossings and attempts to repair bridges well, how would i ? as far as i understand lately, there are no such attempts in these matters, they now rely entirely on the gable and steam crossings, and it is very necessary to deprive them of supplies. i will repeat again if there is no supply, there is no

logistics, there is no replenishment of ammunition with fuel-massive materials, then it will be very difficult for them to keep this one, how are you? well, 206 russian personnel is serious, and for him and for valevsk, in the conditions of the current supply, how much will they be able to do drag and most importantly, what will they do next if they are driven out? what will they do there with the locals ? well, unfortunately, i can't say exactly how much they drag without supplies, because we don't know. of their needs, this year, the group that is currently on the right bank and we do not know how much we have covered them, this supply, you and i are talking about the fact that it is, let's say, very difficult, but we cannot claim that it is 100% blocked that's why i can't say that in two weeks or three weeks they'll be doing it voluntarily. i can't right now, but it's a matter of time

. again, we'll see. well, we remember. well, how do we remember? we saw how i don't know, the germans actively tried to hold out near stalingrad, that is but here the question is that they entered in summer uniform. so now we are entering autumn into winter, and accordingly, 20,000 russian interlopers who got into easter must be dressed, which means that in addition to all that, there is also breakfast, lunch, dinner according to the statutes and regulations, plus bc which also 20,000 should be enough. well, plus artillery and all artillery charges, and this is also taking into account the destroyed warehouses. i think that well, it is possible that they will not be for a long time, let’s hope, and in the pentagon they do not rule out that putin can change now what these are may be adults, the previous question and now i will move on to the answer to the next one, you mentioned

stalingrad, on november 23, the encirclement of the group near stalingrad was completed, and on the second of february of the following year, on the second of february of the next year, there was the surrender of two months later, the germans were still significantly more stable. well, if you compare them with the current russian interventionists, yes, that is, they are motivated, disciplined, and so on. well, in this way, somewhere, you and i can, how can they change, some new scenarios can be drawn correctly. ugh, a great question regarding the plan, let's remember him, putin, his behavior in the recent past, that in samarkand, he met with various leaders, and they directly hinted to him that the war should be ended as soon as possible, in particular, when there was a meeting with the indian example, if i remember he does not betray there at all, he directly

told him that now is not the time for military action, now is the time for problems in the world, food, etc. we want to go for victory and they are happy, but for some reason i don’t want ukraine, so putin’s next plans may be the first to demand from ukraine that everyone be at the negotiating table regarding the ceasefire and for this they can act, including by means of blackmail, for that, it means to force us to sit down at the negotiating table and continue their attacks, including on critical infrastructure, in particular, we see kryvyi rih . -e and can continue theirs bombardment, they can also continue their

offensive and try to attack the donetsk region, although it is, let’s say, of great operational sense, where are they already, there is no question of the so-called preschool strikes, which putin mentioned in particular and which you allude to. accordingly, we expect that our air defense will work, but in any case, if they raise their entire air force like this and use a massive strike, so to speak, we may have problems, how massive can these modern missile strikes from the side be of the russian federation if, for example, they used both the black sea and the caspian flotilla and at the same time the air force of their air force. well, until they submitted the ppu system to raise

the air force. according to military science, this is the first thing they should have done to look at the prosecutor system in order to gain an advantage in politics. currently, we see that beyond the front lines and their planes. no will visit and so far i don't see why this situation could have changed in relation to the mass of their strikes, let's remember the situation on independence day , how much air was there, about two hundred, about 190, so yes, in principle, they can operate, but the number of missiles seems to have been close to eight, that is, they they raised the aircraft like that and lowered it, raised it, lowered it. well, it was launched there, uh, 12, that happened at the same time, but the body was once, uh, recently, 13 rockets, nine, 14 so where was he shot down? that's the one, in principle, they have a simultaneous launch there may be somewhere around 10-15-20 missiles at the same time they

can launch them now there are a lot of them left to shoot them down and modern missiles are generally tied in them to a modern elemental base that is supplied by the west eh and the west has now blocked eh this is history for the russians, that is why they still have soviet missiles to a greater extent, but the west closed it and china seems not to have closed the issue. i do not know the chinese-made mines of iranian drones. i don’t know any such auxiliary surrogate technology of the country of the second world, at least, that is, well, except for china, of course, and here, how can i deal with that? well, i am not very familiar with china. let’s say that they had to remove from china’s capabilities, but there is evidence that the

russian military industry is connected connected , let's say yes, it is precisely in western production that it is the most so advanced, it is the most so er technological and it allows them to build more or less such er modern weapons er i also heard that china is not able to cover the need which is now covered by er which is now being created by the shortage of the western elemental base, you mentioned the 60 mm beams that appeared yesterday , there were houses. i have a strong suspicion that these are chinese mines, but with north korea. let's say so , that is, supplies directly from china. to be delivered to north korea from china and now they ended up in ukraine, i have this

suspicion . money for attacks is so correctly called different , there the emphasis is on long-range missiles that shoot far because there is different information and is there an alternative somewhere to find others if the americans will not supply so our let's say that domestic developments are, well, thunder, i don't know to what extent is it currently completed in our country , especially since this calculation guide was a development that we carried out for the needs of a foreign customer, but there is neptune, there is neptune, and it was developed not only for rubber use. weaponry neptune had uh the ability to be installed on a naval base and what is most interesting on an uh air

base that is it can be installed on planes here 24 and use it just for uh as such a long arm uh to hit to hit good positions it neptune, transfer it from our developments in relation to the ones you just mentioned. now there is a discussion in the american let's say yes, the american administration in america, the experts have demands for us to deliver them, we have heard these calls, we have heard this grow, and we taught but so far i get the impression that the administration of the president of the united states is in no hurry to resolve this issue for some reasons of its own . well, i think this is better known to the representatives of this administration . it would take time to raise the same neptunes to normal serial production, well

now let's say this situation is now crossed and i know that before the war there were let's say so, uh, plans, specific plans, which will include embodied on paper, what is the current situation with this, it's a big question, a big question, and we'll figure it all out, thank you mr. denis, well, unfortunately, we have to end our conversation, but we hope that we will return to it in the near future. popovych , a military observer, worked live on the espresso channel well, now we have a minute of silence 9 every day we honor the memory of all ukrainians who died in the russian-ukrainian war, we honor the memory of the ukrainian military and peaceful citizens of ukraine with a minute of silence who died in the war