it is not easy to work, but it will be limited. thank you , mr. oleksiy. let me remind you that the guest of our broadcast was the minister of energy and environmental protection oleksiy orzheli. we heard a very important thing that everyone should prepare for the difficult winter season, and this is such an important issue that needs to be resolved now by those who can to solve it, we again perfectly understand that everyone cannot solve it as easily as it seems, but we will still remember this advice of porzhev that later we did not say that we were not advised that we did not know about it the situation that may develop in the country already in the coming months, if not, if not in weeks, this is of course a very important moment, but now we will return to foreign policy, which we talked about in the previous hour, we will talk with the professor of new york university, igor eisenberg, i congratulate you, mr. games, glory to ukraine

to heroes thank you, mr. igor, in principle, is it possible to understand why the united states is so careful about granting russia the status of a country that sponsors terrorism, despite the fact that iran and cuba have this status and it is nobody's business the united states was not intimidated. i have my own point of view on this matter, which is that while uh, in russia, uh, two citizens of the united states are being held hostage, including two-time olympic basketball champion uh, brittney greiner, while the united states is not it will be possible how to release i think that the united states will not go to such an aggravation in the form of recognition of russia as a sponsor of terrorism because it will simply interfere with any contacts with russia and negotiations are underway, as you can understand

quite heavy about the exchange of these two citizens of the united states for victor work what level is american the difference is that this is exactly the reason uh official officials they don't talk about it i think this is the biggest reason this is on the one hand of all the sanctions that the united states according to the law introduced against countries sponsoring terrorism has already been introduced against russia, and the only thing that is possible when the country is a sponsor of terrorism, say if the united states recognizes russia as a sponsor of terrorism, citizens of ukraine will be sued in american courts be transparent against russia, and all other sanctions are there, export control by banning the export of certain things, financial sanctions, economic sanctions have already been introduced. well, i think that the real reason is

that the united states is conducting difficult negotiations for the release of its two citizens. how do you imagine, in principle, the prospects for the future the military supply of weapons to ukraine by the united states, because of course there are still quite a few of these. of course, the best example is the long-range missiles that these ukrainian military commentators talk about, but the united states and other countries are in no hurry to supply them, i would already be with two hands of the second corps somewhere for the united states to supply ukraine with these missiles as a state up to 300 km for high mercedes. i think that here, what is working against this. in the administration, they are analyzing the possible

responses of russia. actually, they talked about this, that they are constantly analyzing the possibility of russia let's say nuclear, tactically, nuclear or chemical weapons . i think that their analysis shows that the probability that russia can do this if, say, ukraine , the americans have already succeeded in striking russian territory, they are certainly assessed as a fairly high probability, at least there is no small one. i think that deterring only this, but these estimates change. they are by no means constant, look. hmm, we heard that it cannot be supplied. but it cannot be supplied, then it was supplied, that is, i hope that ukraine will also change this estimate will receive more weapons. how do you expect if there are changes in the structure of the american government in november and if the republicans gain

control, if not in two, then in one of the chambers of the united states congress, how will this be reflected in the future foreign policy situation and if this is reflected you can rest in the middle of the mirror and the republicans have uh the republicans have a chance to win the elections to the house of representatives i think they have less chance to win the elections to the senate uh they have a pretty good chance to win the elections in the house of representatives. and as you said, first of all, budget wars will begin, for example, between the house of representatives and the administration. and this will directly affect the aid of ukraine , because the aid to ukraine is financed from the budget, and if there were many representatives, the budget will not be approved, i will simply not accept it. and this is possible when when in the white house, the president of one party, the majority from the compression or another

party, uh, budget wars happen quite often, you simply won’t have money to help ukraine, for example. in addition, in in any case, even if the representatives did not win the elections to the house of representatives, and the representatives influence the representatives, there will definitely be more far-right republicans, this is absolutely true , because in the primaries from uh, many districts, uh, significantly more right-wing candidates for representatives won. well, let's say out of 10 - eight of the republicans who voted for the second impeachment of trump in the house of representatives will simply not be in the next house of representatives, some of them refused to participate in the election at all due to the impossibility of winning correctly, everything else lost correctly humanity that there are two, only two, now i am running for the next term, that is, look

, politics will become more difficult for the administration, it is already a mess in front of everyone because there will not be such an opportunity for budgetary allocation, to demand that congress allocate money for something, or there will be very difficult negotiations eh with the congress about any parameters of the budget eh it is no secret that the far-right africans are against aid to ukraine , they voted for and against all budget expenditures for aid in ukraine eh or not to submit representatives there are 57 such republicans, and new ones, let's give a representative, as there will be more. if you are republicans, there will be a majority, even if in fact they are ultra-right, there will not be more than half, but they will have a very large influence on politics from this party. it depends on what the speaker of the house of representatives will do in the future in that case, by the way, about the speaker of the house of representatives, we are now

watching the foreign policy activity of nancy pilosa, as well as the farewell foreign policy activity kyiv taipei yerevan what does mrs. pilosa want to achieve with these visits to the most complex capital of the modern world. i think that , first of all, she demonstrates support for democracy, support for liberal values , support for the fight against authoritarianism, that is, against autocrats, especially of course, i would also note uh, visits to kyiv and to the headquarters in general, the fact that she went to kyiv well, i would say that it is not surprising . taiwan himself eh me

i really like this country, and what, what, it is, in this way, support for democratic, uh, hiding is expressed against, uh, against the first of all the huge autocratic communist china, which next to, which encroaches on, uh, just on st. john's day, democracy i was i was in the institutions of admiration, the fact that she now went to yerevan is also very good because it simply demonstrates the video demonstrates that the united states wants to play in the world demonstrates by the way, the reduction of the role that putin can play and can afford to play in in the modern world, and this is the support of democratic forces in armenia, as you can see, played the question, held demonstrations for the exit of armenia from the dkb yesterday , yesterday, today, you are demonstrating support for democracy

, support, support for democratic forces around the world. well, we can say in principle that in such a situation there can be stability of approach whoever wins the elections to the house of representatives or the next speaker or speaker may behave differently if it will be a republican speaker, she will definitely behave differently because if i tell the ultra correctly, the majority will be influenced by the representatives, they will have a very significant influence on what the spinner will do, but if the republicans will have a majority, it will be, well , more precisely, more than 60 or 70 ultra-right or, uh, the most intelligent supporters of trump and uh no republican will simply be able to act as a speaker without their support, which means that such support is exchangeable, they were to turn off certain things, and that

's why it will change if there is a republican speaker, in any case it will not change it will not be that i now, although we can say that for example, not a single gengrich who was, well , it can be considered that he started the republican movement and sharply to the right in the 90s, but he was the speaker of the donetsk uprising, who, uh, visited uh, uh, in taiwan - that is, i would like to hope that whoever is the speaker, that he will still support the basic values ​​that the united states usually supported, but i say once again that in any case, the future of the house of representatives will be the far-right republicans more than them even now and they will have a significant influence either on the leaders of their faction if they are in the minority or on the speakers if it is in the majority

, that is, in fact, you are talking about the fact that we will still watch the elections with you during which donald trump will show that he has such a golden share of the republican party and this means in american politics. that's how i am with you. later, he has it, and he still has it because he is the leader of the opposition of the american party, mainly the majority of republicans . they support him, he changed the composition of the republican party. the fact is that after the 15th year, the riding frame announced that he would run for president for the first time in the 15th year, there were simply a lot of people who had never gone to the elections in the past to the republican party. people really long ago, just the composition of the republican party changed significantly, it shifted to the right very much, exercises , this is such a far-right bias went, er, trump's right -wing populism contributes a lot to this, and he

undoubtedly has a golden share the republicans could, of course, after he had finished his term, simply refuse him, which they did at some point after january 6, 2018. they had such a tendency, but then they very quickly decided that none of it, for sure, they think that they won't be able to win the elections because without him, all these elections that he led using the american party as a basis will stop going to the elections and they believe that except for someone like that who can ensure them success in the elections, a victory, unfortunately, too big it's a pity, because i think that in a healthy american society, you usually need two parties with different views, a more liberal party, a more conservative party, but the main thing is that these parties should

share the fundamental values ​​on which the country is founded. and when there is a rather large faction in one party that does not share them this creates a very big problem for american democracy as such . well, if we talk about support for ukraine, how long do you think it will continue to influence the mood of american public opinion? politicians, public opinion on the division of ukraine because the majority of americans well, we simply conveyed that the majority of americans, regardless of whether they are democrats through the publication, support ukraine , adhere to a different point of view, unless they are completely electro-right rather than completely anthropo-right ideas who can even think about what there will be common ground, common views may be with putin. i really wanted to hope that the support for ukraine would be unchanged, even if once the republicans said, the majority would invest

representatives, but i will tell you once again whether there will be a problem - the adoption of the budget, let's say the supply of weapons to ukraine, support for the ukrainian budget, this is done with the american budget, the budget is approved by congress, the president could propose it, but it is up to the congress to adopt the budget and if it is a republic with the creeps, the majority will believe that it is politically profitable for them to do that downing of the government, that is, stopping the work of the review so that there is no budget, that this will help you win the presidential elections in the 24th year, they can do it, and then there will be problems for eh problems simply with the support of ukraine, that is, there were problems with the supply of weapons, a problem with the support of the ukrainian budget, etc., that is, the elections are very important to these eyes, but i mean that the elections were compressed, they are important for america and they are

important for the world. did you see that today it was reported about the raids that allegedly took place at the well-known oligarch igor kolomoisky? and what do you think if such raids are really taking place? in the case of ukrnafta, this means that in kyiv, even at the level of law enforcement agencies, they treat the american sanctions that were imposed on kolomoisky more carefully, because we remember that when the ukrainian leadership turned to the united states, give us evidence about why you imposed sanctions against kolomoiskyi , american officials said no, this is the expression you are following you should investigate what the problems with kolomoiskyi are and here it may it started, they began to hear american signals, is it even possible normal co-worker without hearing these signals , cooperation without hearing all the signals is important to us. when i read this news today, i was very

happy about it, because finally, finally, how long did it take the ukrainian authorities to do this, you can add to that just yesterday or the day before yesterday, it was reported about a criminal case against a scumbag member of the ukrainian parliament, who exactly two years ago, exactly two videos lessons ago on september 20, the united states introduced against him sanctions against a russian intelligence agent in ukraine , it took two years after that to open a criminal case. i hope that things have changed, that the ukrainian authorities have begun to listen to what he is saying about this matter with washington and, in the form of various things, they directly say distance against certain persons uh, where american high- ranking officials directly spoke, i really hope that this is really uh,

something something different from the place where it stood for at least the last two years, the united states previously tried to uh, involve russia in its complicated relations with the people's republic of china, and the president even said that he had no idea that president putin did not realize how much the growing influence of china contradicted his national interests. well, i think that now putin in samarkand could be convinced of the validity of these remarks. they say it's too late to drink the borjomi of the russian president, this is the strengthening of china's influence, at least on the neighboring ukraine of the russian federation in central asia, it is obvious, you can not even comment on it, but the question arises, but on american-chinese contacts will now be affected by the desire of the united states to stop the war in ukraine and to force vladimir putin to give up his aggressive plans. how far is an american-chinese

dialogue possible here in principle, high-ranking american chinese officials meet from time to time, let's say the secretary of state for objects met with the chinese minister of foreign affairs of bodybuilders, the national security adviser has met several times with his chinese colleagues, joe biden has already spoken several times over the course of a few hours, they are from a video conference with this pin. she seems to have agreed on the possibility of an in-person meeting. and within 10 minutes, it is natural that the united states is interested in china in some way in some way, at least in some way contributing to russia cheesy politics, but to say the least, they are very interested in china not helping russia to circumvent american and

other western sanctions, and this looks like a lot of attention, because the prosecutors ask every i thought to myself, they constantly emphasized that this situation is being monitored, and the united states still has no data that china somehow helps russia circumvent sanctions or supplies russia with any weapons or any spare parts for weapons, that is, of course, this will affect in the dialogue between the united states of america, i think that this is where we can expect that this dialogue will continue, it may even become more intense. while between the united states and the professions of no there is no dialogue, but the only topic is the release of american citizens. but if we know that the united states reports that it is russia that buys weapons from north korea, it cannot be the same chinese weapons, at least the weapons that the chinese supply to north korea, which are now simply

transferred to the russian federation, we can live like this the way to go can be normal with you later, i think that it is being checked well, we should take comrades according to the number only applied well according to what the american officials say applied to north korea with a request to sell weapons or were we supplies that in fact such a transfer has not yet taken place but of course what needs to be checked because you are absolutely right, it needs to be checked very carefully. they ended up in russia. how do you imagine in the future how, in principle , relations between the united states and ukraine can develop from the point of view of security, and why is this a question that has now been made public? these proposals of the president's office in terms of security there, a significant role is given by the united states to these guarantees. and so we have not

seen any official american comment on those proposals that were developed in the office of the president of ukraine with the participation of foreign experts . this raises the question of whether these guarantees are a guarantee at all which the americans know about. they are really going to provide them. is this a ukrainian wish that only they can discuss with it and take it seriously? it seems to me that well, first of all, the americans know of course because it is made public. since we we know it, you and i know it, everyone knows the american processes. but it seems to me that diplomacy is really done quietly, it is not done through public statements, let's say, we propose that the united states and other countries will give us such tolerance. it seems that public statements are made mostly for pr i'm not saying that it's bad, you can make good statements in general in order to somehow support positive public opinion, let's say about this statement well, it

seems to me that public statements are something international category, they are made for pr, not so that some kind of agreement will be concluded, because diplomacy is done quietly, er, by way of quiet negotiations, and there are still some things left when the appropriate agreements have already been reached, that is, i do not perceive it as real diplomacy. this is what i think what is pr? why, i don't put anything in this case, the word pr. well, this is done in order to have such and such in society. probably everyone discussed . let's say the united states, ukraine , great britain and other countries, because they can ukraine at some stage of its history, i don't know when it will receive from the usa such guarantees as, say , finland, sweden received after they submitted

applications to us. i would very much like everything to be done in the same way ukraine has submitted an application to nato. the united states needs a big question, but in ukraine there are the same guarantees as and so on. sweden before ukraine is acceptable because it can be a long process. i think the same way. things like you are the only one the only real victory in this war can be if ukraine becomes a member of nato because it is if it can be the only guarantee that the war will not start again even if tomorrow the russian troops all leave ukraine it can start again in a year in two in a few months in 10 years until ukraine is not in nato until until russia can potentially appear after putin any osinnyk who has decided then i will be able to cleanly fight to invade ukraine until those as long as possible this will be and this and this will be as long as ukraine does not

exist, nato will always be at odds that the war can happen again, and it will start again even if it stops, and if it stops due to secession, we must completely withdraw from ukraine, and i believe that if ukraine submits an application, then the united states and great britain should provide such guarantees, the same as they will provide to sweden. i think that the application for ukraine's entry into nato may be a long way, because there are already 32 countries in nato, if finland is another it will be accepted in the end, and they have their own interests, some countries, for example, hungary, can simply block ukraine's accession to nato for quite a long time. turkey may have some interests at some point . turkey, what are we there? we need to have something there with russia, so that we cannot agree to accept ukraine too, this process will continue. i

believe that read great britain should provide ukraine with appropriate operations and to the united states and great britain are constantly told that they are sorry, but we do not want to make decisions that could lead to a direct conflict between us and russia. and this decision is the road to a direct conflict. yes, but if ukraine submits an application alone, the united states and great britain will support it in the same way how did they support the applications of finland, what am i, i think that it would be absolutely logical if in this case the united states and great britain would give such a guarantee now, probably without ukraine building an application to nato, eh, expect that it is probably not worth it to us. although i thought before the start of this war, why was ukraine unable to insist that the united states conclude a separate agreement on the special features

of the strategic partnership? south korea, yes, so that the united states gave certain essential guarantees of ukraine's security, well, now the situation is different, now there is a war. but i believe that if ukraine applies to nato, then half of the united states and great britain the application is supported from the very beginning. they have to provide such a guarantee in ukraine. this will actually mean whether ukraine will be a very defective member of nato . in south korea, the situation may be different because the united states has its own troops there and they are not afraid of direct conflicts there and these troops by the way, where did they get here because they were un peacekeepers, everything is fine with the mandate, well , that is, it was already a mistake by the kremlin, but it was allowed, i agree with you, although there are not so many american troops, let’s say now, when they finished

until the last time he threatened to use electronic weapons, is it working? if he wants to , he can deliver very powerful strikes , there are not many american troops there, so in order to counter, let's say, an attack by north korea on south korea, they are very much fighting this at the moment that she is there well, i ca n't say that it is completely symbolic, but there are not so many of them there that they could play a decisive role in some armed confrontation. although of course their presence there is very a serious, very strong jumping factor for the northern track. thank you, mr. ihor igoraytsenberg, professor of new york university, we had him on the air. we discussed the situation with ukrainian international security in such detail and those security guarantees that are really being discussed now. wow in ukrainian

society and this is for i, too, find the process of this simple point of view quite strange, that a document that is being discussed is obviously not adapted by those countries that, in principle, were supposed to undermine ukrainian security which in principle should be participants in a mechanism that by itself does not really guarantee anything to ukraine, and it seems to me that such a discussion distracts us from the main point, which is very important and which ukrainian society should realize and prepare for this as a fact that we have in order for ukraine to survive to liberate our territory and join the north atlantic union, this is a two-member security component, everything else - this is just a prelude to wars, people just need to prepare for it so that we won the war and are preparing for the next war, which may take place in a few months or in a few years, but it will happen because we are dealing with a country whose political task, if

we talk about russia, is the destruction of ukrainian statehood in those territories where this statehood is located, even through complete expulsion they are the population loyal to russia, the content of the residence, and we must do everything together with the civilized world to prevent the implementation of this crazy and thieving plan. thank you, friends, for being with we are in these two hours that i spent with you. we continue the broadcast of the espresso tv channel and there is much more interesting ahead. mariupol before the heating season