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when the ukrainian defense company will start producing himer son or something no less cool than its own development of such issues of current real seems to be too optimistic and premature, but in fact, unique conditions are now being created for a complete reboot of our defense-industrial complex and at the expense of lend-lease and at the expense of new initiatives of european countries, there are all prerequisites for obtaining new competencies and opportunities to develop and manufacture new types of weapons and equipment that will be needed by our army in the long term . countries may be the most accepted for us, do you know the answers to these questions, we will try with expert guests from our military program, my name is serhii zgorytskyi, i am the director of the

information consulting company defense express-a my interlocutors today are vitaliy the merciless chairman of the all-ukrainian association of employers of machine builders of ukraine and the head of a number of defense industry enterprises. of the army of sweden and among the nato countries p yury congratulations thank you for joining the broadcast good day, mr. vitaly, i will start with you and start with a simple one, here we are now a military aid, today they discussed the next package of american aid there, they were proud of what we will receive, we see that we are getting another package of american aid, mercs are bubbling up there, high

-precision projectiles and so on, and for this the question arises, what is the work of the homeland defense , industry and state and private, what are the main tasks today, our defense company is deciding, thank you for your question, mr. serhiy. well, first of all, i want you and our tv viewers and everyone who hears us to understand that defense is an industrial complex a component of the national security and defense sector, so i won't be able to give you specific answers on such a broadcast with you, what is our defense doing today, that is, i can say that i will give answers to such general questions, er, well, first of all, our defense industry on at the moment , he is engaged in preserving er production capacity, personnel potential, preserving opportunities er to produce products, because our enemy is

insidiously destroying er all centers of er defense industry, so i will not say who and what can assure you that the military-political leadership of the country at the moment already fully understands that it is necessary to engage in its own developments, it is necessary to finance its defense-industrial complex, it is necessary to finance its army, and it is already engaged in this, but the question is that miracles does not exist, unfortunately, in the world, and if there is a technological cycle from development there to production, which is calculated there sometimes in decades, sometimes in years, sometimes in months, then this technological cycle goes on and, unfortunately, we need it now it should also be taken into account that we need to restore those chains that were destroyed by our enemy. for example

, we are all happy that the city of izyum was liberated by our military from the occupiers, but one of the key enterprises of our country was located in the territory of the city of izyum, for example, the instrument-making enterprises of our country, which made various devices for the anti-tank missiles guided there, it was completely destroyed, there is nothing left of it, one of the problems that we are currently dealing with is resuming the production of devices that were produced at this enterprise. and this is not it it will not be a simple question, such devices can produce uh, not many countries in the world uh, well, this is one of the problematic questions, let's say yes, mr. yury, i will ask you, you have been working in sweden for a long time now, and sweden is a country that is only at the stage of its neutral status ensured the unique development of its defense industry there and howitzers ar or ripens there in love another

system actually it is connected with sweden what unique recipes were used leadership functions that ensured such promotion and what the recommendations are adaptive for the current existence of the ukrainian pc p yuriy, we have lost connection and then actually when will we establish a connection in a new way, this is the question . now it determines the tasks for private and state industry, what role does mr. tych prom, who is well-known to you, ukroboronprom, the ministry of defense, is there , conventionally speaking, a normal distribution of the area of ​​responsibility, or so far in fact the main emphasis is placed on the ministry of defense, and the industry is still drawn to the

initiative of the military, what is in this triangle of administrations, prom in the cobra and the ministry of defense , unfortunately, unfortunately, i can say that the leading role of the administrative sector is not yet there, although i think that it should be and all normative legal acts of the legislator, normative legal acts should not should be thus, there are currently that it should be the leading role of the ministry of economy of ukraine ministry of strategic industries unfortunately for the ministry of defense, well, in some government documents, ukroboronprom is written as ukroboronprom, it is trying to do something, it is trying to artificially pull the blanket over itself, let's say so, without having any authority to do so, for a private

enterprise, it is well, who is it? who is interesting to you? the customer of ukroboronprom is not a customer of ukroboronprom. the coordinator for state-owned enterprises. i personally communicate with the manager and he calls me. dialogue, if something is needed, i can do it, then i will do it, but the problem is that they are not the customers of the state defense order of the contract . 90% of private enterprises that still exist in ukraine are not involved, for example, a hundred or perhaps thousands of owners and managers of machine-building enterprises there, the devices of construction enterprises of other enterprises would be ready to participate in this cooperation but ukroboronprom, by virtue of its er, well, it is such an

economic structure as hers, for example, my company there, it cannot unite us, only the administration of prom or the ministry of defense er, as far as i know, at the moment, the role of the administration about the language is returning little by little the management is getting involved little by little in order to coordinate this work, uh, unfortunately, i’ll repeat myself now, it’s martial law and it’s not a very good job, well, it should n’t be advertised very much, it should be there as before, for example, on the website, let’s post everything there enterprises of the defense of the industrial complex and we will write who is doing what? well, today he is trying to do it among those prom, well, this is nonsense, sorry , it is not possible, it is not possible today on the website of the state body, e.e., give the phone number and details , e.e., the address of the company, write what they do for of the defense-industrial complex, everything must be done in closed mode, in secret mode, all

coordination must take place in the same way . i knew a little bit that the administration of prom is beginning to, let's say, perform its functions of coordinating all enterprises, both public and private. so far, this work is being carried out. well, not as quickly as i would like, but it is already being carried out. after all, i will now repeat the question to mr. yuriy. that the connection was lost, you must have heard the question, i.e. what recipes can sweden have that would speed up the transformation of the ukrainian defense industry even in the conditions of hostilities? specifically, this is probably the triangle of interaction

between science in industry and the armed forces. where this triangle is extremely effective is in sweden. this is a guarantee that the latest developments, which you said about through the griffins, are many, many other things, and they are, in principle, eh is introduced into the armed forces and gives new opportunities to the swedish defense forces. well, this is probably the most important from what i can say. is there such a structure in sweden like the defense industry that determines the priorities for state entrepreneurs ? a completely different format of interaction between the customer and the manufacturer is what happens in sweden. well, of course, there is no ukroboronprom. there is such a structure. it’s something like centiyovite, if you can compare it like that, but much, much, much

, very much. which, in principle, sets strategic tasks with a long horizon, has some kind of financial resource on e-e of various types of rent and is not, in principle, not afraid to use these funds and even with the result of m-m when the scientific the result is, in principle, not always the result of iron, that is, well, as they say, a negative result in science is normal, this is also a result, because we have saved time very seriously. it is probably significant that ukraine can take from sweden . vitaliy, i would like to did you comment on yuri's words, do we actually have to pay attention to this swedish experience? are we actually not up to it now? and we should at least stabilize the production of current weapons samples and repairs, but when we

will look beyond the horizon thank you for the question well first of all, i fully support you, i said to mr. yuriy, and uh, i was talking about the fact that non-legderpy is necessary in ukraine, and you know, mr. serhiy, that for a long time , uh, and the decree of the president is the meeting of the cabinet of ministers of the minister of technology to create an agency, a state development agency, similar to the udarku but unfortunately, and when i worked there, we had discussions that were not very constructive at the time with my colleagues regarding what mr. yuryu said now, but everyone in us says that we need to save budget funds there, and that is why we do not one more state agency is needed and it is necessary to create a legal entity there in the form of an enterprise, if only well, i know that now the minister again

set the task of the administrative and industrial deputies to create this agency, well, at the end of the end, to carry out the assignment of the president, the presidential decree and to create and for it to start work, but if it is created in the form of, again, uh, managing the entity, how are the documents prepared again, i always said that it should be a state-owned agency, why is that exactly what i said about yuri, because the funds for him, well, for scientific developments , also give a negative result. and that's normal. when , uh, this happens, the main thing is that the funds are not stolen. if they are not stolen, then the head of the state agency, you want darpa, you want the swedish agency. he has the right to sign the act that we tried to find a way out. we tried to find a solution. we did everything honestly in accordance with the knowledge we currently have. but we could not

get positive results. documents in previous years there 2008-9-10 when our scientists received a negative result, after that they checked certain bodies there legality and direction of funds that were allocated if the funds were spent honestly, it's normal, everything is over he will be given all the funds and he will spend them with a negative result, then people will come in uniform who will say why did you spend state funds and get a negative result, you caused losses to the state and their let's say so, he brought me to justice, that's why such people will never be the subjects of your gift after even undertaking developments where a negative result is possible, they will take what is already in the world and we will once again use the funds inefficiently because we will not

receive anything thank you, mr. yury, you were in contact with our ministry of defense even before the active phase of hostilities and after this large-scale invasion, you will have a fairly specific and interesting but have the relations and attitude of the ministry of defense changed before foreign products, are there any more flexible dynamics of interaction? is everything still the same, well , this is a somewhat provocative question, of course, as it was, there is no more, but i will say that, well, there is still room to improve this process, in principle, it is quite personalized, you know. it depends on with whom in which department in what general structure are there more or less flexible and, let's say, people from as p vitaliy said with a normal attitude to a negative result well, i am so conditional, but there is, in

principle, such a pre-career system still left where well, for example, the product that we manufacture or offer, well, it is perceived somewhat, well, well, but we do not understand at the time, although you, mr. serhiy, you understand well that in general, the specifics of hostilities today are extremely dynamic, and without reliable , secure channels of communication and data transmission, it is in principle, it is impossible, but i say personalized very well, that is, i will explain to our viewers that yuriy represents a company that has developed a system for such data transmission of protected e-e that can be used by soldiers on the battlefield and can can be used by robotic platforms and this system is extremely protected, it is used repeatedly in the army of sweden and in a number of other nato countries, and in fact, this product was offered to our military now, as i understand it, the interest in

it is greater, but that is, congratulations. there are statements by our officials that we were preparing for war we knew that there would be an attack and then, of course, the question arises why were the issues related to the relocation of enterprises there or the creation of duplicative capabilities not resolved then why were they not ordered there for pre-assembly, which are then needed for the repair and manufacture of equipment, why is there a lack of body armor, why is there no ammunition production there, and such a wide range of questions that the question is whether we were really preparing for war, what is your assessment of this pre-war language state, and why we entered into hostilities in this state. well, i can't give you a specific answer for the past months until february 24, because at that time i was not in power, i was a person engaged in production on enterprises, but i can tell you that this

question is about the fact that we are preparing for war , in fact, war, war. are you going? yes , war is always going on and we must always be ready for war, for example, i, er, well, to the authorities in fact in 2007, in er, 2008, well, in december 2007, and well, the method then already said that please excuse me there is a system, er, we can there, the soviet union. let er, but there was a mobilization system task of mobilizing capacity to maintain the mobiliz joint reserve. by the way, she was still working when the general director of the malysheva plant was there. every year, through the ministry of industrial policy, we were compensated a certain amount of funds for obtaining mobilization capacity and the mobilization reserve, but uh, and we supported

it somewhere until 2010. yes, it was there are fewer enterprises that remained on the list, but they were still working, how did the state reserve work with many corruption scandals there, but it is necessary it was to be reformed and not destroyed in general, it had to be carried out in accordance with the way it is all over the world, for example, why is a separate state enterprise necessary to store grain, which then must be eaten, when there are a bunch of private enterprises, you can sign an agreement with them and keep the grain there and there is no need at all for a state-owned elevator hangar, the same with, for example , metal products, why keep them there in the state when every private enterprise has a warehouse, pay for storage and it will be kept the state reserve needed reforming and a bill was prepared for reforming and

instead everything was destroyed and she said why do we need to spend money there? why do we need mobilization capacity? we understand who came to power in the 10th year. why was everything destroyed, but i don’t understand why since 2014. year, when i repeatedly said that the guys need to restore the ministry, one thing needs to be restored, or how does it differ from the policy industry? is my stratechprom, for example, from the ukroboronprom, and the fact that in no regulatory act on the creation of ukroboronprom, for example, in the law or in the law about reform, you will not find such a concept as mobilization capacity, mobilization reserve, or there, for example, a state secret, that is, we had state authorities that were responsible precisely for preparing for war, created ukroboronprom, the dsc leaked abroad, i think it may even now throws out and these questions related

to preparations for the war were destroyed, they were simply taken there , transferred there, er, mechanical to the ministry of economy, and the ministry of economy, well, it’s, excuse me, there and grain reception points, it’s also for the ussr, well, no one personally, well, no one specifically deals with this seriously. that is, we came in such a state that we came. that is, we can say as a matter of fact that in reality we did not prepare for the domains and for the e-e m-th reserve and for the expansion of the production of the most needed types of weapons, i will repeat myself and about non-vests and ammunition and so on. it was as if they were standing on the stream and expected what it should be must have as they say in reality why didn't it happen ? worked for the russian federation, some of them are being prosecuted there. and how much of this is still not being phished, that is, we have so much. well,

how serious are the state authorities penetrated by agents of the russian federation that they all the time found ways in one way or another to destroy step by step uh, the state, the organizational structure of the state, that is, well, there is such a slogan, the people love him, let's save money there, let's reduce the officials there, and let's do it, it's normal, normal, let's reduce it, do you remember, for example they eliminated the sanitary service there. and what did we do , and i say once again that they have been destroying us organizationally for the last 30 years under good slogans, for example, i see that without communication it is impossible not only to conduct combat operations, it is even impossible to conduct a program, uh, yurii if i

can hear you now, so i would like to ask you, how is sweden preparing for war, is there a sea reserve, how , in this powerful defense-industrial country , a system has been built to create a reliable defense-industrial complex and stimulate the production of weapons under any conditions. an extremely complex question well, of course, i am not allowed to participate in any mobilization activities, but what i see, for example, is that our office is, in principle, on the territory of the former garrison, that is how this garrison was restored, and since last year there are already recruits there you know that in sweden it was a conscription army, then it was abolished, it is given in the 11th or 10th year, and now it is updated , that is, it is a conscription vice, young people, boys and

girls. so, in principle, since last year, they are already actively learning new old premises, oh well there is such a thing like mine, it’s something like that, the terevo itself was copied from this structure, how can you say, well, actually, these are territorial units that even have their own aviation, that is, the tereo of sweden, well, how can i translate it into ukrainian, it has its own aviation, its own artillery, its own armor, technology, well, it's parallel, in principle, the structure , yes, that's what i see, and in principle, regarding the industry, i can tell you such a thing or share such an insider, what do you want, uh, yesterday i

was at one very, very serious enterprise because this, in principle, opens up new capacities and industrial capacities precisely in order to help us. well, i mean in ukraine. that is , it is a global process and, in principle, the industrial capacity of the swedish nuclear power plant will now work on this coil, including to ukraine well, of course to sweden, but the country will also be very surprised by what will happen, and by the way, sweden itself treats ukraine as such, a partner or a country that will consume swedish weapons and swedish aid, that is, is there an understanding that it is possible to reach the level of partnership relations and the creation of joint projects, is this not yet the question, but the question is simply the dissatisfaction of the primary needs of the ukrainian army, you understand. this is an extremely pragmatic relationship, it is necessary to understand that the ukrainian

enterprise can give to the swedes, well, actually, what can the ukrainian industry or science it was not for nothing that i mentioned this triangle, er, and science, industry, the armed forces, because they are, well, as a single organism, in principle, this is how it works in this world, i mean normal countries, but i’m all in principle hmm well normalized yes yes what i want to say is that it is necessary to understand what ukrainian science or industry has to offer, and here it is not for nothing that we mentioned the dar and these and these neocris and similar leases, yes, because without this, well, believe me, no gripens, no archers , none of this can happen in principle well then, if we are talking about the prospects for the ukrainian defense and industrial complex, vitaliy, we experienced rammstein on rammstein there was