they cooked at home and now they were mobilized and now women don't want to cook because they don't like it very much and they probably go to different cakes and also raise this branch of the restaurant business, the president of the ukrainian restaurant association talked with him about how the ukrainian restaurant business is doing of business in ukraine in the conditions of a full-scale invasion. thank you for being with us during these four hours. andriy saichuk, well, now, our term-espresso, long live our colleagues from radio svoboda, who are also what they are. there is something interesting to tell, so for your attention, the leaders of the occupied luhansk region and donetsk region initiated the holding of so-called referendums on joining russia, followed by similar initiatives in the occupation administrations of the kherson and zaporozhye regions , what does this mean? what goal is the kremlin pursuing? a

third of ukrainians want to attract right now to the responsibility of those who made miscalculations in the preparation for the war, a survey of the kyiv institute of sociology testifies to this to the people, good people, we will be in the occupation, there will be battles here, there will be tanks, what do these results say and who and in what way should answer the provocative questions, war crimes in izyum on the outskirts of the city continue to exhume bodies for the tortured and dead how did izyum live in the conditions of the russian occupation, see the testimonies of local residents in svoboda life. congratulations, this is svoboda life. my name is vlasta

lazur . three floors of the building collapsed in the rubble. the head of donetsk region, pavlo kyrilenko, reported this. russian forces launched an airstrike on the city around one in the morning . rescue workers are currently working there. well, the correspondent of radio svoboda in the donetsk region, serhiy horbatenko, filmed the consequences of the attack on the house. look at my friends, in short, my son. mother and son are lying there, it is not known whether the son is at home or not. they told me that there is no car and no one will come, they are not lying. and

maybe it is still possible to save him, do you understand something like that yesterday they gave us the light . fire, the first entrance from that side, the fourth entrance, they called 112 because of the fire, they called 112, the calls of the name are dropped, oh, then, too, i can't tell you what to say on the fourth floor of apartment 71 there. there were two people, a mother and a son. stupka tatiana vladimirovna and marik, 32 years old, i don’t know the fatherhood, well, the phones

are not available, we can’t find them, they said rescuers will be working, there may be rubble somewhere, they are people, so far, nothing, and what should we do now, we stayed at home, what should we say, that’s it , run away, the balcony is completely demolished, they don’t leave you think. no tv

, no devices, no cars. well, we won't take anything. and when we come back, nothing will happen, but you will leave. two rockets hit the house. one entrance was completely destroyed. between the fourth and fifth entrances , two floors were destroyed. rescue operations are now underway. the emergency department is continuing to work. it is filling up with water. there is a significant change from yesterday. they will continue to extinguish the fire and begin liquidation of the consequences of the previous collapse. the previous one is under the rubble and is from civilians . i urge you once again to expose yourself to safety, to

evacuate the safest areas of ukraine. this was bakhmut chima, journalist of radio svoboda serhiy horbatenko. well, let's move on to the main topic of the day. the self-proclaimed rebels of the dpr, as well as the pro-russian and russian authorities in the occupied territories of the zaporozhye and kherson regions, hastily announced today, one after another, that in the near future they will hold a so-called referendum on the accession to russia of the pseudo-republics of the lpr. the dpr added that the vote will supposedly take place this week from the 23rd to the 27th on september 15, the so-called people's councils of the lpr and dpr were the first to confirm the dates of the referendums, followed by the same intentions in the occupied kherson oblast, which was announced by the russian-controlled the head of the region volodymyr saldo well, in the captured part of zaporizhzhia, a pseudo-referendum is also promised to begin in the period from september 23. calls for

a vote from pro-russian leaders , i remind you, began to be heard actively since yesterday. to organize electronic voting and took the initiative to organize voting for residents of the pseudo-republic temporarily living in russia, they say such people will be able to vote at the embassy of the so-called dpr in moscow well, or remotely in the office of the ukrainian president, they warned russia and its accomplices in the occupied territories that pseudo-referendums are a fiction that will not change anything in the legal status of the captured lands. such a statement was made in particular by the chief adviser to president jesus mykhailo podolyak and reminded that donetsk luhansk crimea is ukraine, and andriy yarmak, commenting on the issue of referendums not controlled by the kremlin, said that this is what the fear of defeat looks like. well, after the ideas of holding referendums with such ideas spoke in the pseudo-republics in the kremlin, they did not hesitate to answer their thoughts on this

matter, the deputy chairman of the security council of russia, dmytro medvedev, immediately expressed them. he said that the referendum we have in donbas is of great importance not only for the local people, but also for the restoration of historical justice, listen. they completely change the vector development of russia for decades and not only of our country, since after their implementation and acceptance of new territories into russia, the geopolitical transformation in the world will the irreversible nature of the encroachment on the territory of russia. the crime and the commission of which allows the use of all forces of self-defense, but it is no less important that after the amendments to the constitution of our country, no future leader of russia, no official will be able to cancel these decisions, that is why these referendums are so feared in kyiv and in the west that is why they must be held. well, the calls from pro-russian leaders to hold a referendum on the occupied ukrainian territories are heard, i remind you, against the background of the ukrainian counteroffensive

just the day before, serhii gaidai , the head of the luhansk region, announced that the ukrainian forces liberated the settlement of belohorivka in the luhansk region. what is happening in the occupied territories, why did the kremlin decide to announce the holding of so-called referendums ? next live with us andrii dekhtyarenko, journalist, editor-in-chief of the online edition of the real newspaper andrii my congratulations, i congratulate you, i'm glad to see each other, well, the main thing question do you understand why exactly now why now that this happened after which the kremlin decided not to wait and just announce today that the counteroffensive of the ukrainian armed forces in the kharkiv region has undeniably happened kremenets realized that he has actually lost one of the so -called pseudo-republics of possible e- e or kharkiv region, in fact, where they also wanted to hold a so-called referendum on

joining the russian federation in the future, now the armed forces of ukraine have already recaptured the first settlements on the territory luhansk region and the fighting is quite lively in the donetsk region and ours are trying to take the city of lyman, so the militants and their kremlin leaders really understand that the situation is very serious now and it is possible that ukraine can very quickly return its territory. well, in fact people whom these groups are holding hostage, what should be done, the kremlin must surely decide, the stake must be raised, the main thing is that it must be somehow explained, first of all to the own population, and secondly to the international community, not only western countries and those countries that are just now watching what will end after all. this story with the ukrainian war and such will have

to join, so to speak, the state of the winners. it must be explained to them, he thinks separately. we are waiting for vladimir putin's speech tonight, where there are probably hints of blackmail, why, if ukraine starts to reclaim its territory occupied by russia, which russia now wants to declare as its own territory, then russia will really resort to total nuclear blackmail, for sure, for sure, on the ukrainian armed forces, this is a very strong event for ukrainians as well, because you all understand that we have only one death and there are several options for them, and it doesn’t matter if putin has all his plans can carry out all this means the genocide of ukrainians in us now with nuclear weapons it is difficult to forget to intimidate

western countries yes and the main thing is that i can in the end say that in fact this indicates that russia is moving from such information offensive to information defense, they now want to stabilize the front line and in fact freeze it and follow the example of 2014 in order for ukraine to be stopped by western partners who are afraid of nuclear blackmail and in fact russia would have years or more time to prepare new forces for a new mood i'll just tell our viewers that andriy dekhtyarenko himself comes from luhansk, you know yourself well on the story there, i 'm only here after all, they can hold something and then call it a referendum, something will really be held and something will be called a referendum, it is interesting here that even

at the moment when words are invented for what to call all this, they are called an urgent referendum, but sorry, there are no urgent referendums referendum is actually popular, but finding out when people have to think about whether they want to change something. yes, quickly. and actually, countries or, er, there in general, create there very often, it happens there in different countries, as it was there during the collapse czechoslovakia and the creation of the new countries of the czech republic and slovakia, for example, or other examples here, they are not actually given time to think about what is happening, plus this will actually happen when a bunch of people in donbas, for example, were taken to fight on the front lines, that is, or they will not be able to return home and vote there, or they will organize some kind of fake

voting on the front line, that is, all this indicates that even at the status of an idea, this whole process is not at all er, they do not understand with themselves that it will actually happen as the real voting of the people is a fiction, they just draw some numbers and they can do it that way andriy, what do you know about what is happening directly in the occupied territories and, in particular , in these six months, how much has the attitude towards russia and ukraine changed there? well, especially against the background again counterattacks well, in fact, these last six months are like a lifetime, a lot of things have changed, a lot of tragic things have happened to all of us, to all ukrainians , that is, in particular, to people in the occupied territories, we know that there were several waves, in particular in my in his native city of luhansk, forced mobilizations and now again this process has intensified, men are constantly caught on the streets, they are taken to the

front line, and there they constantly put people in basements there, in particular, recently, long terms of 13 years were given to obseshniks who worked in the occupied territories, people actually live in fear, in the constant feeling that anything can be done to them, they can be taken to the front, they can be thrown into the basement, and they can be put on buses there, taken somewhere, in particular to the russian the federation, well, it’s not really like that, such a state is not very conducive to reflexes, and i would say so, the only thing i can say is that the inhabitants of the occupied territories have always been divided into three such large groups, the first group is people who are for russia, and now many of these people are especially men went to fight, but there are many pensioners who still believe in russian tv and continue to support putin's policy, even despite the fact that he has now put the world on the brink of a nuclear

apocalypse, the second largest group - these are those who try to close themselves off from politics in general, as they believe and live according to the principle well, we are not for anyone, but we will do everything to survive and the third group and these people who really exist, who support ukraine, who, by the way, are with us constantly we try to communicate with our own acquaintances, there are many who even try to do everything to support, they even come up with ways to donate to the armies from the occupied territories, and i can say that yes, who openly and honestly supported russia i don't mind if she returns to ukraine, but the most important thing for them is that there is peace. unfortunately, there are many who are ready to accept any version of the end of this story, even if they win in russia. if they just personally survive because it emphasizes the issue of survival, now

everyone who lives in the occupied territory is number one. and what can we predict? if russia really does take some real action now, it will be called a referendum and what will happen next. what will happen in these territories, it will be such a rear to ensure the war, do you have any idea what plans russia has for these territories? i think that now mr. one , that is, in fact, they are used as a military training ground, and no one has an understanding of what to do next, the industry is completely destroyed, the economy is completely destroyed, there are those who could to work at huge enterprises in mines at factories, in particular. many of them were actually killed by grinding during the so-called mobs being thrown to the front lines as cannon fodder, how to restore all this

even so to speak, the deep rear is now more and more destroyed, because our armed forces are hitting all of this on the spot study of militants and very often militants also use industrial objects and objects of social importance just for their own location, i.e. donbas - this is really turning into we can see the ruins of what the russians have turned mariupol into. what they have turned popasta into, what severodonetsk has turned into. i am no longer sure that there are no plans for the further development of this territory in russia. strange all-in and she got herself into such a trap from which in fact there is no normal way out, they themselves cannot even return to a normal peaceful life and the fate of donbas, so to speak, those who were supposed to be released and in fact become the main ones only this proves that the russians are the victims of this war. they look at all this and probably already understand that they have actually now turned into such a large occupied

donbas and that what is happening to the occupied territories today will happen to them tomorrow. that is this is destruction - this is complete lawlessness, this is when people are grabbed in the streets and thrown into the meat grinder of a great war, the last question, please tell me, i am interested in the fate of these people, who are really, in particular, forcibly taken and mobilized to of the russian army and thrown to the front against the ukrainian forces. is there any kind of state policy on the part of ukraine like these people? well, to free them if they have such a desire to surrender, because i have heard a lot of stories that some of them do not even have the opportunity to surrender because, relatively speaking, they not on - not on on the first line, not on the front line. somewhere in the rear , they are making a question, and i am asking it myself as a journalist. like your colleague, i certainly think that it should be asked of the authorities, the only thing i can say

is, yes, it is true that people are being grabbed on the streets they forcefully force you to fight, but i am sure and you should say it and write that it is better for these people to even refuse to go to fight, well, look, you have an alternative: prison or peredova , but if you are, the ukrainian troops will not even bother you, but they will take you prisoner a- and prison awaits you too so it might be better to refuse to fight if there will be many such people who will choose in the occupied territories even er deprivation of liberty but their conscience will remain clear, so to speak, then it is possible that there will not be these units consisting of luhanchas and danes. that is, this is a really difficult question, i know it is true that even on the front lines, our fighters treat these fighters with understanding, uh, well, they say, well, dude, you're so lucky, you were taken prisoner, everything is so stupid, your occupation is actually personally over, but what's next from the right's point of view with these people

to do well, this is actually a question for the great debate . i also wanted to get an answer to that question. thank you very much to andriy. andriy dekhtyarenko, journalist, editor-in-chief of the online edition of the real newspaper, was on radio svoboda. well, for now, about the russian forces in the occupied ukrainian territories announced the holding of so -called referendums in russia itself, the state duma introduced the concepts of mobilization and martial law into the criminal code, and also approved amendments regarding responsibility for desertion during mobilization or during wartime, the state duma in particular imposes responsibility for non-fulfilment of a military order, resistance to a commander in military service, voluntary abandonment of a place of service, desertion , etc., the document emphasizes that citizens called to military meetings who are in the reserve will not be criminally liable for non-appearance or desertion on the same level as contract workers. conscripts, what does it all mean and are there any connections between the announcements of the so-called referendums and today's decisions of the russian

of the state duma, we will talk about it further , kyrylo martynov, the editor-in-chief of the edition of the new newspaper europe, kirill hello, i will start with the so-called referendums on the occupied ukrainian territories, why is this the kremlin exactly now from your point of view? neither in donetsk nor in luhansk were they accepted . will say tonight, although in general, of course, on the other hand, everyone has already had similar expectations, and no one there is waiting for something reasonable , just like in february and a little earlier, the russian authorities are preparing institutional conditions for so that in order to begin a-a and and eh it is

clear that it is clear that in the current conditions eh well , this kind of synchronicity precisely indicates that this is such and such a special kremlin decision from one country. the mass of the people rejoice in the occupied territories on the other hand in that these days, the state houses are passing laws that allow forcing russian citizens to military service. well, you still have opinions. what things are interconnected from your point of view ? what the state duma adopted today is somehow connected. yes, i think that this is precisely the preparation from the point of view of the laws from the point of view . bound by the laws of one country from the other

side. this is an allegedly unknown initiative. well, apparently, as many people believe, if these territories of ghouta are declared by the russian federation as part of the russian federation, then this will allow the russian guests if the general mobilization is not declared martial law, then, for example, it says that on the territory of the russian federation , a counter-terrorist operation is allegedly being carried out on the territory of the russian federation again, and the territory is allegedly being carried out and forcing russian citizens to participate in military disputes uh, in the gatherings, forgive me for participating in this secret mobilization, which has been going on for a long time, uh, it seems to me that this has become a general thing, these events are becoming the political response of the kremlin to the martial law, which is unconditionally aimed at, which the russian publications, in particular medusa, write that the kremlin sent its own sources write that in the kremlin, yakov is already ready for a partial mobilization, and it turns out, uh, this is now uh, well,

these numerous statements that putin is afraid of mobilization, that this is not for him, call into question it is popular that he will avoid this as much as possible . it turns out that no, they have already come to this. do you understand what partial mobilization is? it is not clear to anyone. the gingerbread is not because of the whip , that's all the questions open here is an example of an important event of today's day - this is the fact that the state duma adopted a law on the fact that foreign players who serve the armed forces of russia federations can count on a strengthened procedure for obtaining citizenship and simultaneously with

it . a special point of the ministry of defense will be deployed as eh noted in order to make it as convenient as possible for a citizen to sign up for military service eh ето всё вместе together, it shows yes that what is really ready for the next step, but what exactly is meant by mobilization. in this situation, the question is very open. after february, donetsk, what is it like when men were simply caught on the streets of gradov, they hid in other people's apartments in basements, such mobilization in the russian federation is impossible for political reasons, and in the russian regions there are no tools to carry it out, and the question if, after all, something will be held in the occupied ukrainian territories that will eventually be called a referendum. is it possible for putin to somehow convert himself into some political

bonuses ? - those thoughts well, he certainly, as it seems to me, at first he wanted to repeat the events related to the crimea, he expected that there would also be no such serious resistance, and now, after the attack, it means kiev and he was waiting for the same, the same actions, and now he is probably reading that if these references are carried out, i think that someone in russia will be really happy to be inspired by the bleaching, perhaps this will become his trump card in some international negotiations from his point of view, but it seems to me that the analysis of this analysis overlooks that for half a year the whole world has been watching this war for half a year and everyone understands what such a referendum is worth this is exclusively a story about possible blackmail of both

ukraine and the world, that they are allegedly attacking that the ukrainian army is now needed on the territory of the sovereign territory of the russian federation after the referendum. thank you very much for the comments. raisin freed from the russian invaders in kharkiv oblast continue to exhume whole bodies in mass burial sites, as of yesterday evening, law enforcement officers found 166 victims, he said in particular the head of the kharkiv region, oleg synogubov, according to him, the vast majority of the dead are civilians , including two children, some of the dead have signs of violent death, there are bodies with tied hands, traces of torture in some of the dead , mine explosive injuries, shrapnel and stab wounds about how people lived and survived under the russian occupation in izyum. we asked local residents to tell us about the video of our

broadcast. lyudmila kozak, a primary school teacher from the city of izyum, joins my greetings. good evening, ludmila, how long did you live in the occupation , in the occupation, you were in the occupation for 11 days, and how did you manage to leave the city? when did it happen? it was on march 11. i left in the trunk of the car, since we had no evacuation in the city and no communication at that time. it was no longer there. that's why we saved ourselves as best as we could. who or not, that is, you left in the trunk of the car. i understood correctly, together with my husband, the trunk of the car because they stopped, i was able to stop two cars. i put my parents in the first car and the second car, i just fell on this car. and she said please take us in any way and they took us to the trunk of the car, i left the trunk of the car with things, but the guys, yes, i stopped for the delivery

, they were in shock, well, but you missed it, somehow you managed to feel the attitude of the russian military on yourself, or were they not so close yet to you at that time eh we felt very well the invincibility of the russian military and the attitude of russia itself as an aggressor country because from the first of march we began to be heavily bombarded by the first eh what we felt eh we had to climb into all the basements and not to get out of there because we didn't have such an opportunity to even move from house to house, unfortunately , that's how my husband's mother was left. we couldn't just cross the street to take her with us . also in the end it turned out, but now literally every day they show how the exhumation of victims continues on the outskirts of izyum. do you have any idea how many people in izyum could have become victims of war crimes ?