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advance our task to disrupt the plans of the enemy our slogan the wise will rule the mirrors our battlefield to pass deep to the enemy's rear our goal is victory glory to the military intelligence of ukraine usual time usual tv channel my name is yuri fizer and this is the world under during the war, every monday, approximately this period 12 and 13 i discuss with my guests the most important events that happened in the world . on social networks, in particular on youtube, whoever watches us on youtube, please like it. if you like the program, if you don't, don't like it, but please write something, write why we didn't like it. and

in general, what do you think about what's happening in the world right now ? okay, we have very, very, very much information today, so i won't waste time with my conversations , i'm going to talk with my first guest . kraev, foreign policy expert, foreign policy expert, foreign policy council, ukrainian prisma, i greet you, sir, yes, i greet you , good morning, good morning, i am very glad to see you. gathered there, well, many leaders of ukraine, mostly from the east, well, practically all the leaders of the countries of the east. please tell me if this organization has a chance to become something like the un, because as far as i have watched and listened and read the speeches , speaking just as they wanted to do this, the

eastern un is actually an interesting question, the biggest hawks among this organization want to counterbalance nato, that is, in fact, they understand that a new cold war has begun and they are now not the center of it in moscow, and conditionally in beijing, conditionally in the east, and therefore nato must be opposed, but central asia , central and eastern asia, it is still not ready for something so drastic with them, and the dkb projects are just ending. and we can already say that this project ends because the main guarantor does not fulfill his powers, so what should be expected of him, so in fact, will it be an alternative to nato ? i doubt whether it will be. as you ask, an alternative to the un is quite possible. certain regional projects of joint cooperation of some courses there in the economy. in very remote issues of agriculture, energy, they something has already been done for several years, and quite consciously if they can, we can see from the mood of china that it needs something more. it compromises itself and accordingly compares itself even with

the un, well, china is not in a hurry, you know, china needs a lot of powerful support and it needs its bloc, it needs its nato, and it seems to me that in the future there will be 50 years, five dashes, 10 less in mind, china will be cultivated through shanghai cooperation, a certain security bloc if it were well, what can be opposed to the americans, that is, live participation in the highway can be so well, in fact , for now, living it is ensured by a rather vague customs statute, rather general goals and, in our case, the presence of a major international crisis we know that major international crises are, in principle , something in politics that always strengthens alliances, which help to form new options. well, let's say that during any war it is much easier to conclude a new tank than during peace. because during war, there are very obvious reasons why we have to be together, that's why it seems to me that now it is really being conducted like this, it is a victorious potential with a great future,

but let's see how the west will react to it. because in fact, the essence of the reaction to this summit already shows the attitude of washington that, well, they gathered we talked and i will hope that it will continue and nothing will happen. well, because it is not necessary, at least because the un is now showing its kind of amorphous inactivity. anyway, something else besides the un in the east, i don't think it is necessary now. okay, p oleksandr, a few days ago, on your facebook page, you wrote one very interesting thing about the same shost . connection with news from samarkand to the general state of chinese diplomacy. an interesting comparison occurred to me. russian-chinese relations are increasingly reminiscent of abusive relations in which beijing acts as a very pro-planning abuser. well

, very interesting, very interesting observation. look , i have a question for you. you can talk more broadly here and i want to explain my position, but i want to ask the same question. and why exactly are the abusive people saying to our viewers that the abuser is the one who has a hand over yakimoska, not a relationship, mr. holop, not a relationship, the whole of zoryan is a subject, and that's it abusive where there is a person who insults and a person who is insulted, and it is obvious that it is the chinese who insults. well, russia turns out to be the one. it is not just an insult, it is also an insult that in the end is the fault of the victim itself, that is, in essence what is china doing, russia is asking, asking for help, well, from russia’s point of view, it is absolutely adequate , because they have a war they have to win .

to remind china that it is really necessary and that it is not just like that, let's remember what putin said after the conversation with zimpy, our partners asked us to once again explain the situation and our relationship with ukraine, we have done it again and will continue to do it even though we have already done it, that is, you understand, russia has to constantly make excuses although from her point of view there is nothing to make excuses for, further china refers to long-term contracts with russia china refused to give russia more precisely access to its gold and currency reserves which some of them are on the territory of china, that is, in fact, the chinese are leaving russia without money so that it is even more dependent on it, because that is how they really behave as users in personal relationships, but in addition, china gives russia, well , literally, there are several millions or several components of some kind or a little raw material and then forces russia to praise itself for it, as if this is the highest achievement, as if this is something that no one has ever given to russia, as if without china, russia will bend at all and

only in this pair, oh, i apologize for this union, russia can be successful and have some value, that is, in fact, don't go to a psychologist here, this is a clear and powerful illustrative material for what abusive relationships are when the victim of these relationships is made dependent, not independent and unable to make decisions in this case . how long can friendly relations last? well, in reality, china is obviously playing the long game . or for the creation of terminals for liquefied gas, and so on, at the same moment he buys up russian federal companies, in several attempts oil rose as soon as the window on the moscow stock exchange opened, the chinese one fell in one round of negotiations from two to five percent of these companies, in fact, huge amounts of money are poured in there. it is obvious that such a policy of china, on the one hand, is aimed at, well , actually vassalizing russia, putting it in

a position of absolute dependence on beijing, on the other hand, it is a game on the americans, because we know that from the americans are conducting very difficult negotiations, we know that beijing wants to get the most out of these negotiations, and therefore it has to show the americans that you do not think that we will support you in this. we also have allies in quotation marks, of course. and we also have our own policy, so it is beneficial to china such a development of the situation. congratulations, it is profitable to keep the situation in this state for a long time. that is why china is really. in my opinion , it will play that well, over the years, in fact, it will create from russia, well, by sponsoring itself, a resource economy that is underdeveloped, but sponsoring such a long-term bios well, let's see, oleksandr. tell me, please, and here is the performance of pu after that. in russia, someone even called him that this is some kind of treason, because in this speech he then spoke several times about what we would be well, he is not ready for negotiations with ukraine, but

he is ready for something that could already put an end to vina, how can you reinterpret this, his speech is actually a very multilateral speech, that is, on the one hand, i also noticed in him a desire for negotiations about well, these ukrainians are so bad, they don't want to talk to us. well, in fact, it's very different from the rhetoric, let's say, not since may, even since the beginning of summer, when there were phrases that the ukrainians want to talk let them come now , the context is completely different we want to talk and the ukrainians are not coming, that is narratively indeed, well, from the point of view of russian nationalists, you can find treason in this, on the other hand, we see statements that the operation will not stop. the territory of donbass is here by the way, a small note , the context of the operation is changing again, we have again moved away from denazification, demilitarization, we have again moved away from the fact that nato does not take place in this territory and we have again returned to the topic of the liberation of the people of donbass, as he says, without mentioning

kherson region, without mentioning zaporizhzhia, without a hint kharkiv, by the way, putin just started doing the first thing back in july, if i'm not mistaken, and another big plus without mentioning nato, that is, in essence, this speech by putin did not say that russia is at war with the entire nato bloc she no longer said that russia should win the entire west. he again limited himself to ukraine only, so on the one hand he tried to intimidate, he tried to show that and we have only just begun, and so on and so on, similar to what he says earlier, but obviously he already understands that it is difficult to come to an agreement with ukraine, he understands that we are moving into the position of a power negotiator, that is, now we decide when to start negotiations and how to conduct them, with what topics , from the other side, he sees that he is not giving in to the west, and therefore he no longer hopes that that the negotiations about ukraine are proceeding from the west, therefore, in fact, despite all the aggressive rhetoric and rather harsh statements, the speech itself was rather positive for us, for ukrainian interests. well

, let's hope that it will continue like that . forces, because they will do what we need on the battlefields, they will bring victory and they will do this kind of abuse against putin, abuse on the battlefield, e.p. alexander, do you believe in the possibility of a liberal revolution in russia, this is a question we even put it on our youtube page on the youtube page now and the broadcast, whoever watches it on youtube , please vote whether you believe in the possibility of a liberal revolution in russia, or is it possible, is it possible, is it possible that the russian liberals are simply a part of the alternative democracy that you mentioned , by the way a few days ago in one and in a conversation uh with a very interesting conversation that was posted on the internet please tell me actually i want to play with words here a little i don't believe in the russian liberal revolution i believe in the liberal revolution in

in russia, historically, there were almost no internal riots or internal revolutions in russia, except for the salt riots in moscow in the 16th century or the hunger riots in the tambov province at the time, that is, in fact, the russians. unfortunately, they have already lost this enthusiasm for russian rebellion. the country is not capable of the actual potential of the russian revolution itself. unfortunately, i do not see that the revolution can be brought to russia, as it happened in 17 found as it happened in 1905 as it happened in the 1820s and 1830s, that is, revolutionary ideas and the revolution itself can be brought there, but this requires the deconstruction of russian statehood or at least its maximum weakening, will it be a democratic russia, i doubt it, i really rather stand on because democracy in its pure form for

russia is unacceptable from the point of view of their, as you know , imperial nation, their civilizational view, but i will be cynical, it will be an unstable russia, it will be a weaker russia than it is now, therefore any rebellion any revolution in russia still plays into ukraine's hands, that's why i support it. well, but there is an alternative democracy. what did you say you were talking about with your interlocutor? well, in fact, that's the model that china is currently promoting . when democracy is a word, well, democracy is very of a selected part of the population, democracy, relatively speaking , for the party of the chinese, for the communists, russia is for united russia, and therefore, in fact, i do not think that alternative democracy is democracy, it is such an alternative democracy, it is another name for autocracy is another name for culture, and that's why we need some kind of democracy that will not be a euphemism for dictatorship, then we can talk about certain changes, an interesting opinion. do you think that the collective event will hold up at the moment

? the test of winter and cold is a very valid question. good question, well, i'll start a little from afar, we can see what the russians are trying to play. now, the protests in prague, the protests in berlin, and the speeches. well, for example, the speeches of the former minister of foreign affairs of romania, the speeches of orban, we see that russia is trying to shake the information the west is using all available sources, but in fact the west is making great progress, that is, obviously the winter will be very difficult. if you can see, it will be very difficult and it will be very difficult financially and socially, but we have several trump cards that will help us cope with it. as europeans in general, first of all, we see that the public support of ukraine due to these conditions does not decrease if we see the latest polls, let's say its british or pan -european opinion polls, in principle, support for ukraine has not suffered from at the moment when the payments started to grow, that is, the

voter, relatively speaking, of the average european election, associates it with ukraine, he associates it with russia, and it is in russia that he sees the cause of the problem, therefore, in essence, he is ready for this resistance, well, at least a large part of the population in relation to politicians we we can see the transformation even in germany, we can see that it is the one who says that without russia we should develop, it is better to see macron who says that we will revive nuclear energy because it is necessary, there is no question of purchasing novorossiysk fuel, we are only talking about finding an alternative, that is, it is difficult for me to say from an economic point of view, because there are no data for the budget year, but it is only just beginning, but in fact, narratively, informationally, europeans are transitioning to a much better state , europeans understand that the future is without russia, their energy and security is not even an issue it's just that the benefits are really a matter of security, and this transition already makes me rather optimistic that europe will have a hard time this winter, but it will still pass and this winter will be the winter of cleansing from russian

influence and cleanse ourselves not only in winter, but also with our weapons with our guns with our shells with the help of our servicemen well, the last question for you today, mr. oleksandr. and what is the strength and value of ukrainian democracy, which is being hardened right now by war . here i am i will probably even quote rusila von der lyagin that it is ukraine that is with me now, ilya and europe , in essence, ukraine is now the healing of what we call european values. you are ready for life , your work, your time, your whole being. defend freedom of speech, democracy, free markets , human rights, the rule of law and the rule of law. we stand for what europe has always been and before . why does

europe itself, and therefore ukraine, depend on whether it holds up intellectually and civilizationally? the role of our democracy. it is simply paramount for the entire european project. one more thing appeared to me after you answered please tell me and that's all you said, only ursula funderlian charles michel roberta mazzola and the leaders of european countries understand it if you look now well i have to look at twitter i have to i will have to look closely at the groups and read their blogs. it is bigger and more people understand it, that is, they approach the question. why is ukraine so important? the question arises. why are we doing so little to protect europe in in ukraine, therefore, in reality, it is a gradual process, unfortunately, it cannot be said that everyone supports us and we are so kind and cool, but the victory of the armed forces, the work of the informational diplomatic front, make it possible so that finally all 100% of the citizens of the european union understood this. god grant that they will understand

. thank you very much, mr. oleksandr for very good answers to and questions, i will remind you. it was oleksandr kraev, an expert of the council of foreign policy, ukrainian prisma . well, i am ready to join. my next guest is ihor semevoloz, the director. of the center for middle eastern studies a-a i congratulate you mr. ihor congratulations i am glad to hear from you i am also very glad to hear from you well, you are the person who will definitely help me personally, i am sure that my viewers will also understand what is happening now in the caucasus, azerbaijan, armenia mr. igor, please tell me how it all started. well, why did azerbaijan attack the sovereign territory of armenia? what is the reason for this?

in november of the 20th year, after armenia was defeated as a result of the second karabash war, this tripartite statement was first concluded, then a tripartite agreement was concluded, which accordingly determined the procedure for the settlement of relations between the two countries within the framework of this tripartite agreement and the clauses of this agreement the unblocking of transport arteries was supposed to be a negotiation process and the definition of borders between the two countries and the creation of the so-called zangezer corridor , that is, this is what is called mirror logic when there is a halychyna corridor that provides transport links between armenia and the territories of karabakh controlled by the russian military and inhabited by armenians, and this

lychyna corridor is not controlled by azerbaijan , so in principle it was assumed that the zangiz corridor would be created which will connect western azerbaijan on food and which will also not be controlled by armenia but will be acquired under the control of the fsb troops, that was the logic of the logic of these events. this agreement did not have the status of karabakh, that is, karabakh was not determined in any way what is happening, what will happen to those territories that are not under the control of the government, only the size was deployed there, it is clear that two years after that the feeling that someone is introducing someone instead of a-a because er-er

hmm in most cases er-er armenia was pretending that there were efforts and basically no changes. no breakthroughs happened, that is, no breakthroughs, instead, they happened among armenians, but more and more there was a feeling that it is actually possible in this way to delay any final decisions as much as possible, taking into account the fact that the situation can change radically and it is possible, well, let's say to realize the level of shinsky, some kind of intention to return these territories through one more war, but yan and his strategy did not allow the armenians themselves to do this, and the battles on the border that we are observing and this is not the first clash on the border, it just shows that azerbaijan is actually forcing

armenia to make peace on azerbaijan's terms, if so very briefly about the situation that has developed as of now. and why did russia openly abandon armenia in this case and why dkb now? well, to say that the otcp is passive is to say nothing at all, the otcp is generally inactive. here in this sense, i think that the words of the slogans of one of the characters of the game of thrones would be untrue, but i am here about russia, there are such considerations , the fact is that russia really needs azerbaijan and russia have been missing for 10 years moscow took certain steps to meet each other , and the russians got the feeling that

they could, in principle, engage in such brokerage and conflict, they would be able to tie azerbaijan and armenia to themselves, well, armenia, in principle, it was under such tight control by the russians. and what had to be done for this? well, it was necessary to give hope to azerbaijan that it is russia that can solve the karabakh issue after the 14th year, and azerbaijan saw that it makes no sense to bet on russia and they switched to the union of turkey. this union turned out to be successful actually as a result of this cooperation . azerbaijan finally liberated most of the territory and turkey settled in this region. but russia continued this trend, that is,

they did not change, they wanted the conduct of russian troops on the territory of azerbaijan is strengthening their position and the key issue is to stay on this territory as long as possible, that is, to extend the stay of the russian troops, i would like to remind you that according to the tripartite agreement, the russians can stay until the 25th year, and after that their stay there must be reconfirmed, and azerbaijan freely tries to minimize the presence of the russians, on the contrary, the russians are trying to increase their presence, therefore, therefore, they cannot simply take and say and to create a situation in which azerbaijan unequivocally enters the rank of an enemy, therefore a unique opportunity has been created for azerbaijan, and using these weaknesses and the intentions of russia, they are putting pressure on

armenia, and given their turn, they cannot rely on an alliance agreement with russia because russia has at least weakened in the war with ukraine, and secondly, it is afraid of losing, uh, losing the advantages of its interactions with azerbaijan, and there is also the issue of iran and many other things . please. but how can this situation be resolved, well, at least in the near future, in such a quadrangle , in such a square, azerbaijan, armenia, russia, the united states, and turkey, because, as we know, a few days ago, the speaker of the lower house was visiting of the american congress of the house of representatives of the house of representatives of the vacuum cleaners, she expressed her full support for the usa supporting armenia, russia supporting and turkey supporting azerbaijan,

how can it all be resolved in this square because it seems to me that you know yes, sorry for the boy's mind. it seems to me that this is not an attempt to resolve the situation and trying to confuse her even more. well, she is already quite confused. nancy pilots. i think that she should fulfill her er her role er and she needs er you er on the eve of the election and i understand that the support of the armenian electorate in the united states of america is an important component for her, so uh, i actually consider her visit in this context rather than uh, a change in the policy of the united states of america, uh, americans, uh, no, smoke, well, don't take your time , uh, of course to demonstrate some supporter of one or another side. although there are signs that they are dissatisfied with the politics

of azerbaijan. well, let's say that the most recent thing is a chimney there. is it when the ambassadors of france and the united states of america did not go if the show was such a visit? different epistles on this is the released city and also sound in principle. well, he was appointed by the state of america as a special envoy for issues related to the regulation of karabakh, but at least he was reformatted as a special envoy within the framework of the south caucasus, well, formally, he there in the minsk group, it seems that somewhere azerbaijan has, as you know, actively opposes the continuation of the activities of the minsk group all over the new karabakh .

now, at least, they are not officially taking any, as i said, rare steps. europe, on the other hand, is quite active now, er, it is trying to act as a facilitator and it is succeeding, er, and the role of europe and the activity of europe causes serious irritation on the part of moscow, and i think that this shows exactly about the fact that europe can play a very interesting role, an important role, and europe is not equal to france, so that it is clear that europe has its own interests, so to speak, in brussels, and it is obvious that strengthening the role of europe can be such an important and interesting element that can bring additional intrigue to this region and yes