more conventionally, let's say from other threats, the main one, and they are military at all. well, from a military threat of such a greater level, a larger-scale invasion. it seems to me that the armed forces are not involved in this project, well, in full, er, it is just one of the administrative ones. it seems to me that there are shortcomings. we have such a situation that now the armed forces are in charge and now they are placing units and structures in such a way as to secure or, let's say, minimize possible attacks on the border now, but time is running out resources are scarce, if we had prepared a little earlier, more intensively, and of course it would be better to prepare from migrants - this is one story from smugglers, this is what border guards do, and from military columns and anti-tank ditches, they are also not along the entire border, that is, in some directions accordingly, the ministry of defense was not involved at all, only it was involved,

but the main ones were other departments, e.g. the ministry of internal affairs and subordinate institutions, but regarding such things, it seems to me that the main it should have been. well, the ministry of regions was attached to our ministry. they also took the military. civil administrations in the east were also attached to ordinary regional administrations. moreover, there was a period when, by decision of the president, the administration was responsible for the construction of buildings in other regions, when in the beginning there was no government of money, that is, such initiatives were from the president of the time and the government in order for the administrations to be attached to certain districts or certain territories and to build such structures at the beginning, sometimes there was no such budgetary funding and programs, so it seems to me, well, then they did what was possible and mobilized enterprises and enterprise equipment in order to build, but this was mainly also in the

east, because from the east then the russians marched in columns , as they are now along the entire length of the border, and it seems to me that no one understood about the latter that they came from many directions. well, for example, in the 15th in the 14th year, but when it became clear in the 21st are gathering along the entire border line and to me it seems that this was such a powerful signal that it is necessary to treat the entire length of the border more carefully, to build new buildings, to lay mines, yes, yes , seven, obviously, well, it is worth saying that our border is already long, the largest in europe, 2017 km , only land, and look at it. this is true that we have parts of the border that are not demarcated at all, well , that is, there is not even a drawn line there, the locals say, well, here we are ukraine, and there somewhere is russia, and there is no border. that is, we are not even divided everywhere, it is not that there is even populated areas to mine. the same

where exactly is the marking done, but it's true even outside the populated areas. and it's not for ukraine, it's russia to block. we remember it when our delegations went there from sumy , kharkiv, chernihiv to them, let's spend here and wait. let's do better let's sit down at the table, sit down and go home, the border, as it was, was constantly blocking the process of demarcation, that is, the establishment of these border marks, the russians blocked all the years of ukraine's independence, and it was a directed policy of russia, and it seems to me now it is obvious why, because even such people why do we need a border here, some columns there, all the verbiage yes, then we will just pass by you to kill, mr. volodymyr thank you for the so -called smuggling, it had significant volumes with

russia, not only with western europe, that is why there were er, these oil or gasoline pipelines used to pass alcohol even there. yes, you can say that there is a part of that. well, what was done to overcome this phenomenon, but it seems to me that it is not only there since the 14th year, it was also before that. to be honest was from criminality that was engaged in uh, clearly the influence of criminality and these established russian-ukrainian groups, of course, they were not interested in demarcation and equipment of the border, especially in places. well, where there is the participation of local law enforcement officers or the security service , there are individual or very many workers there were investigations by journalists who were involved in which not only on the western border because we focus on the western border, but in fact on the eastern border

the smugglers felt quite free especially in all the border regions , especially in the luhansk kharkiv region, there was a huge movement of goods, including the production of china and others and russia, and in fact, there are light petroleum products, that's why, to be honest, there is a problem of equipment and control over the movement of the border it was dumb, no, no, well, with such serious pro-rogues, they were gradually tried, of course, but there was a lobby and they tried to eliminate them as a countermeasure. therefore, these issues are complex, they are related not only to the military threat, but also to the military threat and with the fight against smuggling with er processes there which er conditionally we will say we will call it countering the movement of migrants or there our er obligations to the european union music a complex

of means therefore we decided that the ministry of internal affairs will be but in fact it seems to me that the main thing is not would be a defense department if we knew that or at least that is, in the manager of funds in the defense project, well , vadim, what conclusions do we now have to draw from this, the main thing is, and how do you see how it is possible to fence off from russia in general? practically now, well, it’s difficult, but it’s real, that is, now there is a completely different type of technology, for example , controlled charges that can be detonated , destruction and, at a minimum, minimization of opportunities for crossing water barriers, so to speak, there, let’s tentatively say, special equipment which allows you to detect e-e by seimological signs, a

car is moving there and the sensors are already transmitting shooting coordinates 3d maps for artillery e-e defense zones special facilities are properly equipped, that is, there are technologies now that can be borrowed from others countries of the world do not fight against migrants and the threats of smugglers there, namely military technologies for protecting the border, there are several powerful manufacturers of such technologies . i think that we should pay attention to them, and i want to remind you that in approximately the same way that we equipped the russian-ukrainian or ukrainian-russian border, and the russians tried to equip the land border in crimea, they also put wires there

cameras and so on, i think that it is also not designed for a military component , that is, it seems to me that the russians, until a certain moment, did not think that they would enter ukraine militarily on a large scale, but when there was a migraine migrant crisis , we saw all the state of the border with belarus and it is clear that this was, well, it is clear that there was this direction and the means were not enough, do you think that the russians did not plan to enter through the border of a full-scale eye in recent years when they they did it just so that we didn’t have that border and as much as possible, these crossing points were so poor, well, on a large scale. they started preparing it from 2021, when it is obvious that they began to concentrate troops along the entire line . those who can invade, but such a transparent

border allowed subversive intelligence groups to calmly walk around the territory or go in . transfer anything to anyone, transport anything, of course, but it ’s much easier than an equipped border, so let’s let's not hide it in the 14th year, we were very active until the 22nd. we traveled here and there and traded and worked and everything in the world. ukraine is already there after the start of the anti-terrorist operation or the operation of the joint forces after the russian invasion in the east , that is, until now, there is no final version with the blowing up of warehouses. one of the versions is the crossing

of the border. but there are such expert versions that it could have been drg there from the territory of russia, which could go there and detonate. that is, it is also a question of the border, how can i cross? it is an agitator, of course, and internal. but it is still a question of border control, border crossing , its equipment. well, this is a matter of two departments , or even several departments and the national guard in part well, it will still go to the ministry of internal affairs, because there is also the rivne nuclear power plant on the other side and the chernobyl power plant. that is, there are units above the mountains of the national guard, there are military, there are border guards, that is, such coordination mechanism of course, he should take into account all types of threats, not just one type of threat, or there are 2-3, so it seems to me that this is a question, but let's say, let's say so generally criticize that nothing was done at all. and it's also wrong. it just seems to me that

there are mistakes that need to be recognized incorrect identification of the type of threats, possibly inadequate or incorrect identification of directions, possibly incorrect selection, not a comprehensive selection, but what can i say that well, nothing was done there, this is also not true, moreover, we are partly foreign funding was attracted for the equipment, that is, foreigners also said put cameras, put a test there, put all this then we were told 14 from the fourteenth year, mr. vadim, i thank you very much for this conversation, it is important for all of us to recognize the shortcomings and make the right conclusions, because this is a question of the safety of our future, i thank you for professional conversation vadym chernysh, minister of temporarily occupied territories of internally displaced persons , e.e. minister of ukraine, he worked in this department from 2016 to 2019, we will see what now actually on the border, as this is a new program, and my native sumy will be in touch with us, only we

should have had the head of the administration, now there is a replacement, a deputy . i congratulate you. good day. i'm glad to see you without knowing . we heard you talk about the wall project. do you remember that it was called the truth of yatsenyuk yavakov, the european wall? at the beginning of this year, the border guards reported that this project was completed for 2.5 billion. hryvnias were spent on him well, he was not only in sumy oblast, so now he was in sumy oblast. please tell me in formal terms which project is working, because the new government has already started a new project there to replace it, which has now been brought to you as the administration regarding this the wall project. to be honest, i

cannot comment on the wall project. there is no detailed information, but i can say what the regional military administration is doing . coordination of the military formation of the territory of the oblast from immediately after the aggressors were expelled from the territory of the oblast, at the beginning of april, the corresponding processes and procedures for strengthening the border began, they continue today. by the way, i am very grateful to our forestry , which actively participated in this process and provided free of charge a fairly large amount of wood for the construction of these fortifications. the equipment was provided by local self-government bodies, business and so on. now we have moved from the simplest

fortifications to more complex constructions, and we also partially finance these processes from the budgets of local self-government bodies, partly from the regional budget, and, in fact, this is already such a more powerful fortification, which can... well, long-term, let’s say mounts that can withstand even more powerful, more powerful weapons, it’s not just there trenches and dugouts, in principle, the process continues constantly, we are constantly improving mounts, because in our country, as you know, the longest length of the border with by the aggressor country 500, almost 564 km, the terrain is different , there are also fields, there are different terrains, and different

infrastructure exists on the border in terms of roads and lubricants, so measures are being taken there to form mine-explosive barriers there other special events, but i want to assure all viewers of the espresso channel and other viewers who hear me that sumy region is constantly working to strengthen the border and as the entire military assures. and we believe them, we work with them in constant coordination that the situation that happened at the end of february it is already it's impossible, the enemy won't pass a single meter in the border region of sumy on the territory of sumy , they made me happy. thank you for this information. it's good that it's all happening now. and i wanted to show

a video of the latest shelling. now they will show us a video and there a local woman shows her, er, her broken economy, a young woman - it is on the border with russia, the sumy region is told for those who er, don't know , and local residents say this when they are asked and where russia, where the border was a little far. well, once it was. well, just a little bit. somewhere, well, it’s like nothing. somewhere , they say, in a ditch. well, where used to walk along the ditch. well, now it’s scary that the whole city goes there. and then we don’t go anywhere to the cemetery. it’s scary to walk in the wardrobe, one dream, the landing is already visible, there it is, the landing, too, russia, so we haven’t even been washed yet, well, how are you going, and in the store

, we’re looking at god, russia, god, russia. well , now our residents of terasa are probably looking differently, young girl, that’s the same let's tell our viewers what's up the checkpoint was one of the largest uh. how. when the russians entered on the first day, they went along these undemarcated parts of the border or along the roads . why did they enter uh, well, first of all, a small remark about shelling really. unfortunately, shelling is almost daily ah ah sumyshchyna suffers from these shellings and for us it is an exception and a great joy when e there the night passes calmly without shelling usually ah a few dozen arrivals are a standard for sumyshchyna from various e with various weapons starting there rifles and mortars of the rsv e launches from controlled aircraft and

of unguided missiles, unfortunately, unfortunately, this is how we live, and what i would like to emphasize is that we are trying to develop, including economically, in precisely such conditions, in the conditions of the border region, regarding your question . well, it is true that on february 24, mostly, as far as i know, they came to me i have information on the roads through the checkpoints , shelling was recorded at three to four in the morning there until five in the morning by the border guards of the checkpoints and border territories and then the convoys went along several asphalt roads there the key er and er well, then they didn't immediately enter sumy there er passed in two columns and surrounded sumy and then they went to konotop er they went to the okhtyrka but luckily they were stopped by our er heroic

compatriots and er- e in the area of ​​okhtyrka and near konotop, and if they did not pass through e lebedin oblast, they did not reach the poltava region e-e thanks to the military, who at that time were also in okhtyrka and partly in konotop and e-e on the border with chernihiv oblast e and those who were in the poltava region and thanks to the partisan movement managed to stop it these columns and they did not break through to kyiv, we remember those days, mr. taras, but uh, well, now, uh, representatives of the authorities are saying that they knew a month ago, they knew for sure , and western intelligence had warned us earlier. and if, for example, these sections of the border were mined or there were anti-tank ditches, perhaps they would not have gone as calmly as they would have gone home there were columns of tanks and

tanks there in yunakivka in stepanivka what do you think? with special means of protection at the border at that time, and i can't professionally give professional evaluations, but uh, i can say in general that uh, well, you know, in such cases, in this story , it is hardly appropriate uh, hmm, to remember what happened because uh at that time, in the winter, if you remember , there were completely different circumstances, different moods, no one fully believed, even though there was information, even experts, even international experts, did not believe that there would be just such a full-scale invasion, i think that it would be an invasion there, through donetsk

luhansk area therefore now through when already 22 or so 220 days of heroic struggle have passed there, it is easy for us to judge because it is already happening now, at that time it was completely different, of course they warned, of course some information circulated, but once again there was no understanding exactly in which areas of the border there was a breakthrough and to what extent there would be a breakthrough and as far as i understand, taking into account the limitations and especially at that time resources and human and e resources from the point of view of military equipment, there was a definite understanding of the command of the general staff that it is necessary to concentrate the military precisely on the territory of in our eastern territories, some units were interrogated in the city of sumy, and in fact , with the exception of a separate engineering unit in okhtyrky and a small unit,

part of the unit in konotop remained irregular troops, but now i emphasize that time showed that the people of sumy - this is really the worthy descendants of the cossacks who lived there for centuries in these territories and defended them from the invasions from the wild from the wild steppe, all these woke up in us and the simple people of sumy and the leaders of the community and our team took an active part in the struggle, the results of which you know, you say everything correctly, mr. taras, and it’s just that we, as residents of this region, should ask these questions, and ukraine in general, because uh, well, look, i’m reading what was planned by the wall project back in 14- this year, well, if it was all done, well, it would be super. hmm, our citizens are heroic, but the question is, at what price will this

victory come? fortifications, towers, that's what else, the wall project was planned in the 14th year, and money was allocated for that, well, good money, billions. they just started shooting the border guards there, they didn’t see that the russians were going somewhere with these systems, well, there was nothing. what conclusions can we draw now from the way such important strategic projects were implemented and so on. victories what should we do to avoid them? fence off forever yes, after all, as an official, i must be responsible for my words, correctly, and i, uh, work in the civil service, uh, only from 2021, from the spring, and i can’t comment on what ideas i had for 3-4 years i am

not familiar with the details of this wall project, but i want to say something as a person who grew up within these events and is now engaged in certain coordination processes, including the strengthening of our border, as far as i am concerned, it has shown in the development of events that these eyes are firm technologies there are huge concrete moats, barbed wire is impassable, something else, it is probably appropriate in certain areas, but in my opinion, you are more important now, and surveillance technologies, what did you say, we are doing this, that is, installing a system of high-quality cameras that work there and danny at night, they can see tens of kilometers ahead , it is more important than having a concrete wall there with a height of any height or depth, for which there are certain countermeasures, that is, having certain

photo traps there, having means of electronic warfare from observation, that is, these smart technologies will be more and to some extent, i believe in this, and cheaper to implement, and they will be, well, our results than burying hundreds of millions and billions of state public public hryvnias , filling concrete eh, even more so once again i will repeat 564 km and build some form, well, let's say a solid wall, as far as i'm concerned, this is no longer technology and it is non-defense technology of the xxi century, yes, in certain areas that you mentioned, in particular, where there is direct contact, where there are roads, and such fortifications are needed, but smart engineering systems are needed in most fields, and we have, in particular, a state

university that has certain developments and developments, we have whole institutes, which you may be referring to sumy state university, by the way, one of the well-known above, it has everything in the top five ratings, he goes to international shanghai dances, etc., and they are just engineering. which direction is quite advanced, so uh, we could even implement it if there was some funding , support, and something is being implemented, but you understand at the amateur level, if it were a state system program, we could even propose certain solutions, if there were funding, i absolutely agree with you here, and i think that we need to raise this issue separately, because in order for it to become a state program, it needs to be patrolled and raised. you know, but if there is such an idea - it's great for our local scientists, in the end, taras, some money in the budget is currently

earmarked in the region for the arrangement of the border. including from ourselves a certain amount of poland and all from regional institutions or in april may we moved them all to the reserve fund and now the reserve fund we provide for the needs of the military e-e in various directions and e-e from the point of view of arranging the border partial from the point of view in view of the winter form, now the urgent issue of heating is the arrangement of heating points there for temporary displacement. that is, it is not only engineering structures. we make sure that our people, our fellow citizens, under normal conditions at zero or close to responsibilities and, of course, we receive community budgets, we have taken on the function of administration. we communicate with the military, we understand what we are placing

, and then such a distribution. it is not possible for the communities to be a butyl community, you are a community that borders. are you a community of the romen district, we still have a common task and, first of all, taking into account the financial capacity of the budgets, we distribute the burden on them to these cilis it's good that our well-known communities managed to carry out this reform of taras savchenko, i thank you for what you are doing and for taking the time to tell our viewers taras savchenko, the first deputy head of the sumy military-civilian administration, says that the russians will not pass like this how did they do it on february 24, because the border is ready in sumy oblast, i thank you for watching this self-government program about communities about reforms about big ukrainians from small communities wild

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4:30 p.m., the match starts at 5:00 p.m. we are looking for 15-year-old yulia kurbel, who disappeared in luhansk oblast, in the city of severodonetsk, yulia's friend turned to us for help, the girl did not want to communicate on camera, however, in a private conversation , she told some details that may be important in the search. so, it is known that when the war started, yulia made herself known from the first, but in march, when heavy shelling began in severodonetsk, communication with the girl was cut off since then unfortunately, there is no news about her. we also know the exact address where yulia kurbeltse lived, 117a gagarina street, severodonetsk, here is the actual photo of the house