liquidation of the consequences of armed aggression and 23 billion in aid to local budgets, this is also what we should do now, because if we don't do it, we won't have a country. thus, the question of where to get money has no alternative answer. we can only take money from the economy, which is shrinking in this year and it has already lost a third, or borrow or borrow both here and there, why. actually, how does it work, that is, is there any upper limit for the imf for the eu, when it comes to just percentages of gdp, the existence of cases in history, 200-300, that is, in principle, the question is most likely asking whether they have a conscience. it is probably as simple as that if we are talking about the imf and our partners, then let's talk about the fact that it is not only money in debt these are

grants, grants that are currently not reflected in the budget, we have only 250 million hryvnias in the budget , and we are counting on well, i will not say, but several tens of billions during the year, and this is not the money of the imf, this is the money of our partners, the governments and europe and the united states of america for the most part er, but they are not reflected in the budget because so far these are not certain revenues er from and therefore they are not in the budget, but er, if we talk about some critical levels of public debt, there are countries in the world, for example, the same japan where the state the debt is 200% of, at the same time, it is very cheap, unlike us, that is, in fact, the issue is not in the amount, not in the amount of the debt, the issue is in the costs of its maintenance and if we spent 12 percent of

12% of the general fund in the peaceful part only on maintenance e -e in debt, it is definitely too big for us money and it will really be a problem for later, uh, now you know that in terms of external obligations to private individuals in europe, the ministry of finance held negotiations and the peace deferred the payment of interest on the 24th year. significantly reduced the burden on the state budget and at the same time, our obligations to the world bank remain, we will repay them, we will service the relevant debts and all other debts . debts, this means for us the termination of lending and the loss of this huge resource, which is 50% of all the expenses that we have today, so this is a problem of servicing the forest or

the post-war period, this will also be a problem, but there is no controlled problem of any disaster , that is in the future, there is no provision for the announcement of any default or refusal to pay look well, not even not even not not not not say such words it seems to me that we have been demonstrating such a consistent policy since the 19th year financial and we do not even consider the possibility of defaults or any hidden defaults or any restructurings, we fulfill our obligations to partners because we know that any default in the country causes much more damage than the fulfillment of its obligations we are certain in our financial policy that we will be able to pay our debts and fulfill other obligations of the state to society. what risks do you see above in the budget

20-23 mr. ivan, in addition to well, let's say foreign aid, in addition to obtaining money to cover the same budget deficit, i really agree. the most important thing is to get our calculated, but i personally don't have . a component of the reconstruction of ukraine will not only be our own assistance for the reconstruction of certain enterprises or housing; another part will also be the restructuring of the brothers of ukraine, that is, we must understand that they are also our partners let's put it this way. imagine the state of ukraine's economy and understand that what is desirable is also to go to the country's meeting on the restructuring of those debts that will be and the debts that you

have . by the way, even before the start of the war, she knew that she was able to buy out a certain share of these options, which is quite a good factor, taking into account the payments until 2017-2041 . what we want to have on the domestic market, of course, because, you know, on paper, as they say, she looks like a good person, but unfortunately, the risk that i immediately see is that ukraine could hypothetically lose, for this period, these few places there let's call it that or until the end of active hostilities, because unfortunately, any attack is primarily on the generating capabilities of ukraine

there, and russia constantly says that they will do it. obligations and therefore to support production activities in ukraine, this is often a foul. as they say, risk, let's add information to our broadcast, as noted by minister of finance serhiy marchenko, defense is the only sector in which expenditures in the budget for next year have not been reduced, the budget predicts that we will to fight the whole year 2023 ago, expenditures on the defense security sector are appropriate, this budget does not foresee any compromises at all. budget and all the other ministries of the department we will wait until the war is over. in addition, for the first time in the history of ukraine, a fund for liquidation of the consequences of armed aggression will be created for 19 billion

uah, another 24 billion will be received by local budgets to compensate for the losses caused by russia's armed aggression, mr. danylo. and these funds are actually those programs that are also added that relate to the recovery compensation, hmm. from where or from what will they be filled, well, actually, we understand that the infographic you showed, hmm, half of our financing income is money from partners. that is, it is debt money and actually partners for such purposes as they provide it. i would like to correct something by the way. i would like to add to the minister of finance what he said, please, despite the fact that the absolute priority of the undisputed army is financing or more than a trillion hryvnias in the 23rd year for defense,

security, etc. despite this, do not forget in the budget that some expenditure items are aimed at supporting business, supporting the economy. for example, if we take the entrepreneurship development fund, then this and this the fund from which the program is financed 5 7 9 program is quite popular in business and such a business accepts loans because it gives it money , cheap money despite the war, yes. by the way, thanks to this program, we managed to increase in the 23rd year, in the 22nd year, despite the war the volume of lending to credit partnerships is so eh in the 23rd year for this program , 16 billion is provided for this program instead of 7 billion in the 22nd or by 126% increased eh this fund eh is not bad and in addition to this another the business support program is a 1.3 billion guarantee program aimed at

provision of small grants without obligations regarding their return for the development of small businesses , despite the fact that we really accumulate everything for the victory, we accumulate for the defense, security. we also try to support the ukrainian economy. that we send this message to our viewers that despite all the complexity of the situation and we directly analyzed the environment experts, everyone says that the budget is realistic and the budget is worked out with an extremely high quality of this once by the ministry of finance. i do not refer to previous years. i wanted to ask you about what happened in lugano there, too. there was a lot of talk about money for ukraine. on october 25, the european commission will present its more concrete meaning and

the vision of lugano. which was presented, the statements were also different, someone said that it was ulterior motives, but we needed concrete numbers and we will finally see them on october 25. how different are these processes, the budget of ukraine and the programs that will be presented that is, it will be a direct continuation of lugano in berlin, that is, your expectations are possible, that is, how can we compare these processes ? from the first lessons, we have already done it, in fact, as homework, after that, it is to divide large reconstruction projects, that is, what we need hundreds of billions of dollars to build after victories and what we need for this winter, because in some cities the heating systems are broken and we need to invest money there, in some of them we have to break the windows and there is no money for this from the local authorities, that is, the very first grants that our

western governments can give will go to this mr. hetmantsev said that what is not in the budget as grants , but it is in order to solve the most urgent issues that are currently there, and the second is a systematic approach to what will be large infrastructure projects, and this will be precisely the construction of this economy, which will generate our domestic product and it will be covered first of all not even with western money, all the same negotiations are about the fact that more than 300 billion dollars of assets of the russian federation have been arrested and frozen in the west and this will have to be written off as reparations in order for us to build our own economy, of course it is not possible it is possible that part of it will go to cover certain expenses of western partners, because all this is calculated. but of course, ukraine must become the main rapper and we can still hope for some reason. i think we can unofficially to say that after the victory we are entitled to a bonus, namely, at a minimum, the restructuring of many years of our foreign debt, and as much as

possible a partial write-off, you hope that as you say, we are entitled to it well, we must hope for the best so that we do not have this 100% of gdp external debt, if it is written off for at least 100 years and paid in advance, then it will be easier for us to fulfill all these debts, we must ensure that this figure is not hypothetical for 100 years at 100% of gdp, is the debt really written off again, or is it will depend directly on the communications of the ministry of finance, the ministry of foreign affairs, that is, our relevant information, of course , a lot will be underestimated from the communication, but the main thing is to keep the emotional mood , which is now at least heard from certain representatives of poland and our other partners, who constantly emphasize that they are clearly understand that ukraine is fighting for them. that is, we are not only fighting for ourselves, but they will understand that we are fighting for them, so they will do everything possible to

ukraine has become a successful example of the reconstruction of the country , and what is also important in the proposals of the european union, when they gave about the reconstruction of crimea, it is stated that all the money that will be added to ukraine is aimed at ukraine becoming an absolutely organic member of the european union, that is, they do not say that there is automatically ukraine will get eu membership, but at least this , in addition to the thesis that the goal of the program is the country's compliance with eu standards, it is really very important because we understand that at least some people already see us yes, not in five maybe not even in 10 years, if we didn't want it there, but still a member of the european union, and it will actually be sent to their energy experts and in this context , what you are asking is whether there is a possibility that we will be characterized and the board for 100 years. i think so, because for them now it is for those countries that very

actively support ukraine, so it is important that it be let's say such a successful story and here, if necessary , they will be our lobbyists for our government as well, and they for this period to be well, maybe on the basis it may be less but all the more, danylo, let me briefly ask you to comment on how important it is that the vision of the future of ukraine, if we are already talking about it, of the european partners and the leadership of ukraine and fell, because we often hear that well, at least before the war and even and now we heard, let's say, the main principle of interaction is money, support in exchange for reforms, well, look, a lot of questions were asked at the same time, actually, well, i'm not convinced that reforms are needed by our europeans.

i am convinced that the rule of law, anti-corruption infrastructure, and everything that they demand from us in one way or another in their documents is uh, or in our joint documents, it is in our interests , first of all, in our interests. if it is not in our interests, then we do not need to do it and well, it’s, well , in general. well, it’s about whether it’s the same. this is this vision. well, if you and i decided that we want to become a member of the eu. and we have no discussion about this in society, i have a clear position on this, and it’s absolutely the support of the people. regarding membership in the eu, you and i, must implement all those institutions and legislation into our legislation, which is currently in force in the eu, and the question can only be about how to do it, in what terms to

do it, and how to do it as painlessly as possible for our business and for our fellow citizens. in fact, there are certain norms that are too onerous for one or another industry if they are introduced very quickly. therefore, this transition period is a matter of discussion, we would definitely like this transition period to be longer, but on the other hand, we should not allow that the transition period in itself would stop or slow down our european integration, that is why we have an absolutely identical vision of our european future and an identical vision of the need to reform the country on the way to this european future. and by the way, no matter how it sounds, the war which since that turned out to be a period of time that you would not wish on anyone, but which became

favorable for exactly those reforms that we could not make for 30 years. so, look, yesterday they voted on the law on the unification of the social fund of the social insurance and the pension fund, in fact, liquidated the corrupt structure that fed several families in ukraine at the expense of public funds and squandered the property that remained from soviet times. for this purpose, this institution will now be a single institution, the pension fund, which will perform not worse, but better, the functions that were placed on social security, we liberalized labor legislation, how much was said about the fact that business needs the liberalization of labor legislation and cannot be guided by soviet labor laws, because in market conditions, they could not do this done before the war now done and everything everything is going on normally we are doing despite the

war the steps are related during the privatization of state-owned enterprises, this is not even about revenues for the state, it is not about revenues for the state budget, this is about ensuring that these enterprises really worked for the economy and not for the pockets of their management, management that has nothing to do with the ownership of these enterprises and paid taxes to the budget, that is, a lot of what we could not do before is being done and is being done fast enough and in that is why the turbo regime has become synonymous with our faction despite the fact that you said that we ukrainians first of all need these reforms, we will talk about what stage of their implementation ukraine is at, because the help of european states directly depends on the stage of implementation, but we will do it in a few minutes after the two-month after a course in

medicine, i went to the donetsk region, where i learned for the first time what war is like. i'm almost a sociable person who hides in a trench at first. it's very scary, but then you get used to it. i know what and who i'm protecting 15% of the ukrainian army - these are women, with their work, courage, honor and courage, they proved that they are no different from the other 85%." its summer tastes like zebras and cheese from the owner, but

my country is really bright and colorful, in my country, they are unique and wonderful, they give birth to security, colorful, my country, which covered itself with a soft blanket, was lazy, you will always return home to your country, i will not give it to anyone, a savior, this is an internal destination and not duty, this is a mission, not a compulsion - this is a high spirit and greatness, you can teach how to hold a fire hose, but it is impossible to teach how to save someone else's property life sometimes teaches this at the cost of one's own heart

teaches not to retreat no matter how difficult it may be to be ready for self-sacrifice to be courageous to be humane to be a role model for others state emergency service we will save we will restore we will win it was only a year ago but the war took away the childhood of young ukrainians join charity platform children help and help the ukrainian children of the war marathon of unified news for children for the sake of the future on september 25 at exactly 9:00 p.m. so we continue our conversational studio within the framework

of the general national marathon, the only news in the studio works for you tetyana goncharova, i'm maksym zborovskyi the government has pledged not to cut in the budget of 20-23 the funding of social programs, pensions, subsidies and assistance to vulnerable categories of the population, a third of all state budget expenditures will be directed to these needs, so payments to cover the deficit of the pension fund will remain at the level of 2022, expenditures on assistance to low- income families will increase slightly, social protection of children and persons with disabilities will most significantly increase by more than 6 billion hryvnias will increase support for war veterans, we are talking about the construction of housing for military personnel, rehabilitation of combatants, monetary assistance in case of death or disability , etc., almost 122 billion hryvnias are earmarked for education, this is 32 billion less compared to the current year. skarlet noted that the economy will be on capital expenditures, the priority remains profitable, they

will also provide safe conditions for educational institutions, as well as a new subvention of 1.5 billion which is primarily for supporting schools, the fillet of supporting schools in large schools with more than 350 students will be used to develop the means for sheltering ivan, here is a question for you . the younger generation will be educated so that this does not happen again so that they have an appropriate level of education and understanding of what ukraine is explain capital expenditures what are capital expenditures they are the same everywhere in all countries when we let's save in education on capital expenditures , what is it about? i understand that capital expenditures are possibly planned renovations of schools in which the minister meant or other reporting institutions, but i

hope that at least in the field of education there will be more involvement of private capital, that is, in principle, that is normal for western education, when certain businessmen are sponsors of certain schools in ukraine, this is the case, but it is so widespread, nevertheless, i understand that there is hope that this is the share of private participation in the educational system, i.e. not from the point of view that businessmen will say what exactly to teach children in schools or universities, namely that they provide funds, they position themselves as not only sponsors of sports or football clubs, as we cannot do here, but specifically as sponsors of certain let's say in a separate region but educational institutions, that is, i understand that this idea will be raised and, by the way, it will also contribute to the european integration of ukraine. that is, we will say what you see, what do you have. yes,

our business is involved precisely in the support of this educational component and leads to its transition to better standards, that is, well, at least i hope that the minister can understand this if, if we are talking about, let's say, an increase in the same pension , indexation will take place. i.e. do we understand correctly that the question was too expensive was yes during the calculations, mr. danilo yes, we do not hear you that way sorry yes yes you do yes look well if we are talking to you about the minimum wage, let's remember that it will be 6,700 with us from the first of october, and that is

more than 170 dollars at the rate of the national bank, and in fact it is quite a large salary in dollars if we remember any previous crisis that was not related to the war and was much milder for our country therefore, take into account today's dollar exchange rate, i'm sorry, and 36.6 if we're talking about it, it's definitely unquestionable and we have hope that by the end of the year it will not exceed 40. you know that we her significantly they raised it 1.5 years ago, and i think it is absolutely justified to stay at the amount that is today, the amount that is now, and i will remind you that the minimum wage is not only

an increase in maintenance for state employees, but on the other hand, it is also an increase in the tax burden on business, therefore, if we raise the minimum wage every time, we will increase the deduction of small businesses, medium businesses and large businesses from the wages they charge their employees, and this is always spry consists of business negatively therefore, this is exactly the category on which we can stop and by the way, the same thing that we, uh, we can also mention budget workers regarding the indexation of their uh, incomes. i think that the war is such a period. what uh, well, is developing quite dynamically and events are developing sufficiently dynamic economic situation is called sufficiently as dynamic therefore if possible we will return to the revision of these

categories in the 23rd year directly and we will return to the revision of the budget today obviously, it will be more correct than now, we will announce some obligations of the state and then not fulfill them, the last question i want to ask , based on the budget directly, political parliamentary parties, if the numbers change , receive uah 366 million directly for their financing, and this is the lowest figure of the 16th year give a brief answer. this will indicate that the degree of political struggle will decrease, the appropriate time will decrease the possibilities or evidence of what it is that it is a necessity as if in similarly in fact the introduction of state funding did not fulfill its function when we had politics, the oligarchs paid the same way and this was a nice bonus for political parties, and now we have no politics , now we have a war, and therefore, in principle, this article could be abandoned for this year altogether they refused it, i will remind you that today

we talked about the state budget further. our conversation will continue, but on a different topic, and we want to thank ihor popov, political scientist danylo hetman, the chairman of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on of finance, tax and customs policy, and of course to ivan usu, an expert in international economics, gentlemen . thank you. our broadcast continues in the studio . tetyana and i worked for you. maksym zborovskyi, don't get attached to the defeated cities of ukraine. kryvyi rih , the iron heart of ukraine and the longest city in europe. its technogenic landscapes attract guests and industrial tourism is actively developing in the city, the kryvyi rih lands were part of the zaporizhia army, the central governing body of kish zaporizhia sich was located in the city during

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