[000:00:00;00] the eu should stop mentioning the eight package of sanctions should stop outlining measures that will further intensify the energy crisis among the 27 countries of the european union . and the seventh package of sanctions, however, on september 14, the urban government abandoned the idea of ​​blocking anti-russian sanctions a day before their expiration of the previous term, and even earlier, you excluded from the sanctions lists one of the pillars of putin's regime, patriarch kirill and several oligarchs, and hungary opposed the oil embargo, bargaining for itself the opportunity to buy oil supplied by pipelines. well, in the matter of reducing gas consumption by 15%, hungary

became the only ukraine that spoke against, let's remind you of the communication direction dmytro tuzhynskyi - director of the institute of central european strategy yuliya osmolovska diplomat e ms. yuliya tell me, please, right now, the eu wants to deprive a state that violates european values ​​of its voice. hmm, this means that orban will lose the right to veto and the possibility of undermining the unity of the eu . european union and are the countries of the european union ready for this step or will they go exactly this way of depriving the right to vote ? the qualified majority vote or the simple majority that you mentioned are two mechanisms

that really allow if any country is against it does not mean that the decision is blocked but precisely the issue of foreign policy between state relations is still valid. this principle of unanimity is where hungary uses this opportunity to block any foreign policy decision that, from its point of view, there harms, grows, is there the foreign policy interests or the foreign policy interests of the european union, in the opinion of hungary in this case, and precisely this desire to bypass this blocking trap has been expressed repeatedly , including by the federal chancellor of germany, ole von schulz, that the voting system in the european union should be changed, however if we look at the entire history of the existence of the european union and the initiatives that were taken with which countries

to reform the adoption system decisions precisely in the field of foreign relations, it can be understood that for many of these countries the question of transferring the vote is purely to a situation where it happens by a simple majority vote, it is very sensitive because if now it is a question of sanctions against russia, is it more relevant there or not are sensitive in the area of ​​sensitive interests of hungary, so let's say any issue that may relate to the foreign policy initiatives of the european union in north africa may relate to issues that are more sensitive for the same france and therefore, the first reaction of all the countries of the european union regarding the possibility of changing this principle of voting and the right to block foreign policy decisions is that it does not find serious support, and therefore i predict at least two phases of this process. first, these debates regarding the need to

change the voting system will be continue for some time, and secondly, the member states of the european union will be very reluctant to get rid of this principle of anonymity because it at least guarantees them some security in those sensitive issues regarding their of foreign policy, in which they have their traditional references and interests. thank you very much. orbana's rhetoric. yes, she is. well, she has a certain eccentricity. even he remembers , we remember, he said about the beauty of the hungarian race. who is it aimed at? how did you say it was aimed at the domestic consumer or, after all, at the russian one?

the speech was delivered in romania and at the summer university in hungary, everyone was delighted and applauded, that is, they did not see any problem. at first, well, then there were scandals. after all, it was a pretext and such a very unsuccessful interpretation of such an american philosopher, you can say samuel huntington. he talks about the clash of civilizations and all that obviously, instead of the word "race" there should have been "civilization

" . they are very sophisticated, the only thing that in my opinion often boomerangs on viktor orbán himself. well, imagine that during the buchi genocide there in izyum, uh, viktor orbán is praised by medvedev peskov. that is, you know that even for such a politician as viktor, such a romance is conventionally speaking. well not european reputation, it is still a blow to the reputation of mr. dmytro, even from the last one, about what i am saying now, according to mr. orban, the war in ukraine will last until 2030, it is just interesting such numbers, the time period, well, again, you know it more like this, if i could explain to you what viktorova is trying to do to show myself as a knowledgeable person, as such a visionary, er, to become on a level with just those geeks who are us or i don't know any other er, philosophers

or what thinkers. that is, it's more of an inflated price, in fact, er, that's why well do you know viktor roman - this is the person who did not foresee and was wrong about the russian flagging, two weeks before the russian full-scale invasion, the party meeting of the fidesz party was closed there before the elections, they had a company that was starting up, and again, according to those present, viktor gorban said that only a fool can now, well, if we were to seriously talk about a full-scale russian invasion of ukraine, they say it’s all speculation by the americans, and so on and so on. rivne, well, in two weeks, the invasion began, that is, you know when viktor well, orban is still trying to claim the status of a kind of connoisseur of putin and such an insider who communicates with him. well, it looks like he doesn't know him at all. maybe he doesn't even understand.

well, he's trying to use it for his ambitions. and you know how hungarian analysts say geopolitically, victor roman imagines himself to be much greater than the influence of hungary itself, and by the way, not only for political dividends, but hungary is a former country of the socialist camp, the only member of the european union that still maintains friendly relations with russia are largely due to prime minister viktor orbán's marked dependence on russian oil, that's exactly what i wanted to say about this , that's why hungary is more than others and opposes oil and gas sanctions in the hungarian government, they emphasize that ukraine can lose from 15 to 18 billion euros if it refuses from russian oil, and this is 65% of all oil products that come to ukraine, and it comes through the friendship pipeline through ukraine and it was this way of supplying black gold that was removed from the joint borders in the sixth package

sanctions, we remind you that in it the european union forbids the purchase of russian oil that is delivered by sea, in addition, the government of hungary omits that it will be very expensive to adapt the country's oil capacities to alternative sources , and the cost of raw materials for the country will increase by more than 55%. bohdan ferenc, an expert on international issues, mr. bohdan, also joins our conversation. we welcome you. yes, i congratulate you . to what extent is oil and gas the trump card that russia easily enrolls its european leader, the leader of a european country, among its friends, well, first of all, he is dependent on his voters, on the finances he owns, which are used by his closest

circle, and these finances are directly formed precisely at the expense of those energy and business interests and cooperation that you mentioned and you mentioned today and that are connected with russia, that's why the stay in power was just long enough. yes, if i'm not mistaken, already 12 years, it shows that urban was building this communication, creating the appropriate tools and mechanisms within the country in order to directly hold this government and influence the mass media and the opposition forces. because at the same time the european union allocated uh-huh pretty decent funds for hungary, now in principle uh-uh, a certain moment has come uh-huh, when

the european union still understood what is needed do something because urban will definitely not change and his policy is also unlikely although i think he will now try to balance again and you recent statements related to the introduction of changes to certain legislative acts that would satisfy brussels, they just show that they and orban is personally afraid, on the other hand, to also lose serious financial revenues from the budgets of the european union, or only financial revenues, because he has come across such an opinion that instead of hungary, in this way they can prepare a place for ukraine well, for now, there is such a question, that is, yes , there is such a discussion that if hungary leaves the european union, especially when brexit took place, especially when i have a certain tendency towards such attitudes,

maybe in a certain part of society, maybe in a certain part of society in hungary, but i am not sure that they will decide on this step in the short term. i have already explained in part why hungary is able to develop not only due to the russian gas, oil is enough there at cheap prices, but also due to the account of just such european funds and your integration, because when you become part of the european union, completely different opportunities open up for you, but on the other hand, you also need to understand eh, what is politically eh, how will communication be built further, because i will remind the fitness party e fidesz o she was and in principle is a part of the european people's party which is the largest political family at the level of the european union and whose representatives now directly head the european commission ms. usova fondulai the european parliament she

hmm, if i'm not mistaken. last year there was a decision within this european people's party to suspend the membership of fidesz because, well, there were really serious violations of the rule of law of other democratic freedoms. condemnation of these actions in full, which are related to the contradictions of those decisions that the orbán government directly makes in hungary, which are generally contrary to the values ​​of the european union, mr. dmytro. in your opinion, is it still possible hungary to remain outside the status of the european union i would very briefly like semi i don't know maybe clarity as of now hungary cannot be expelled from the european union to exclude such a procedure does not exist there is the 50th article of the union agreement which allows

hungary to leave the european union as great britain did again after all, victor orba is speculating on this. well, huksid sounds uh-uh there if it doesn’t sound like exit, even public opinion shows that hungarians do not want to leave the european union, a may poll of this year by the authoritative hungarian agency median they even asked questions if viktor orbán calls for exit from the european union. will you support membership in the european union? 80% of hungarians said we will support membership in the european union even if viktor roman calls for exit. therefore, it is necessary to understand that viktor orban is a rational politician . although he often looks irrational. he is not suicidal yet, in any case. that is why it is not profitable for him to initiate a hukshit now, that is, it is not profitable. politically, economically , without money, there is a small and third point: it is important for ukraine to understand that it is in the interests of ukraine

that hungary remains in the nato emu so that we have a stable country in our rear, this is our neighbor. countries well, perhaps the fourth point is clear, i would still like to remind you that hungary supported the candidate status of ukraine in the european union and the latest statements of the hungarian ambassador to ukraine well, i hope this is just the official position budapest well, one way or another, the ambassador says that in budapest today he supports ukraine's membership in the european union and ukraine's membership in nato. therefore, we need to hurry up, not pay attention to this rhetoric of the hunchback, see how he acts, use the support of our allies, i will remind you that this is warsaw, we need to be more active with berlin, how can i work for me, now the restructuring

is taking place, well, push, push and sooner integrate into the west, it is possible, given what you said, the country should not be so tough in its statements, hmm i'll just remind you that in ukraine they expressed doubts about the feasibility of any financing of hungary, in particular , the adviser to the head of the president's office, mykhailo podolyak , is categorical in his assessment of the negative role of this country in the activities of the european union, let's listen to the quote and then comment. hungary is a trojan horse seeking the collapse of the european union at the expense of european taxpayers. urban hates ukraine and dreams of russian measures in europe. is the eu worth it? to finance this sabotage. bohdan, what do you say about this matter, should we lower the level

of categoricalness on our part, well, if it concerns our national interests? us they are really difficult and they have not been in the last year or in the last five years , that is, yes, it is enough, sometimes with critical periods, but we are neighboring countries and like it or not, hungary is really like this icc now and the members nato also needs to take this into account, so use it as a bilateral format, again, diplomacy is not only communicating with those with whom you feel comfortable and share someone's opinion, but diplomacy is also a tool to achieve your goals under any conditions. to use brussels eh i mean the level of the european

union really they have much stronger influence both on the hunchback personally and on the government of hungary directly and we see what is t- such actions they have their results and what concerns uh, the previous question about the exit of a potential well, hungary is not great britain, no matter how someone tries to compare it with completely different countries with a different level of economy and financial capabilities, therefore it is really unlikely for the hunchback and for his uh-huh entourage in the nearest they see this as a benefit for themselves in the first place, and the fact that they are guided purely by their own interests, as brussels is often said to be kleptocritical, so it is really possible to follow it, and while they will try to continue this game again, this game will sit for two on the chairs, is it true or not? well, we have already seen the game

of one politician, uh, from the neighboring one. unfortunately for the state, who tried to sit on several chairs at the same time, and what did it lead to? well, here , after all, we probably have to deal with our speakers as soon as possible everything, mr. norman, er, he er, hmm makes these statements in order not to be left in the winter and without gas in order to, er, somehow caress the ear of the russian leadership well, one way or another, he still does his politics for your own voter, a comment from you, mr. dmytro regarding the ukrainian leadership 's categoricalness towards hungary and for me it is a mirror. hungary is such a thing. viktor bansen likes it when a hater sier who makes such categorical statements as you say. and he is already carrying out his policy here. it is

important not to forget that the reverse gas, oil, maybe electricity or others let's say this is critical for ukraine, i don't know the products of things there, including those that go through hungary , yes, hungary does not supply us with weapons, but there is a whole list of things that we have and can that is, to receive it is one of the corridors of ukraine there to the west, including to the ports to trieste, for example, that is why it is very important that politics be politics, but technical things there are new checkpoints, roads, railways, which are now critical for us in the directions of poland, slovakia, hungary romania is very important. it is a broad and narrow line to build, that is, categorical statements

, you know. well, i wouldn't call it so categorical what mr. podoliak said, sometimes even more categorical statements are heard in the european union if you look at the reaction the european parliament and european politicians on the exclusion of the demand to exclude cyril from the sanctions list in the sixth package well, you will see much more categorical statements, that is, the time is such statements, well , this is not a tragedy. well, don't be offended. i think they are not really offended about the fate of hungary in the european union and its future we are talking together with dmytro tuzhansky, the director of the institute of central european strategy. i am also bohdan ference, an expert on international issues. our broadcast continues. new times give birth to new symbols. good evening, we are from ukraine, a symbol of our indomitability, we

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of the main leading channels of ukraine, let's fight together in the marathon, the only news, the main thing, every day at 20:00 now hungary is also inhibiting the expansion of ukrainian electricity exports to europe and is doing it either to blackmail the european union, said olena dzerkal, adviser to the minister of energy of ukraine, as ms. dzerkal explained. and that is why the hungarian apparatus here, the electrical network operator, suddenly decided that it is necessary to carefully study the impact of the expansion of electricity exports from ukraine on their market, and for this they need several months a representative of their operator leads a working group on market issues and reports on the impact of the increase in ukrainian exports to the market from continental europe after we synchronized with the eu,

each additional megabytes is opened to us only on the basis of positive reports from two working groups on the day of reviewing the reports and making the next decision regarding the increase in the volume of ukrainian exports but despite the urgent deficit on the european market, the hungarians under a contrived pretext made it minimal and suspended it in the air further expansion so mr. dmytro, based on his portrait, which we painted today with your help, orban is a pole, and then what about his candidacy for the eu or the further question of joining nato, they will still say yes for ukraine i mean, this is the issue of electricity, well, look, this is just a serious issue, this is an issue that is not public, it is technological, and this is what we stopped at.

there are political motives behind this postponement of the blocking. well, this is a serious matter, and again, here ukraine must act and act in what way. i think one call from kyiv to warsaw and then from warsaw to budapest can solve everything and, er, solve it positively for ukraine and in the negative for hungary warsaw now needs i mean poland as well as the whole of europe additional electricity ukraine can give it that's it hungary well let's say so why is she blocking ms. mirror that's exactly what victor robert is bargaining for trades for this european money looking for devices you remind me about yourself about your importance about your contribution safety and i would also like to draw attention to one dangerous thing it is not only about the issue of blocking something, will you mention the sixth

package - this is er menopause sanctions i am discussing i am afraid that the format of the sixth package of sanctions, which was eventually adopted at the end of may, was proposed at the beginning, that is, viktor roman delayed the sixth package of sanctions for three weeks, moreover , the sixth package of sanctions will work only now that is, for viktor orban, everything related to energy and prices, for example, for electricity, for oil, for gas. the longer viktor orban can use profitable russian contracts , the more he will not only be in the energy security that everyone is talking about, but the more he will earn, that is, yes, that's all classified contracts, but for example the extract that happened there in april of this year, he testified that the margin on one barrel of oil in russian, which just arrives in hungary and which he processes and not only gives us the domestic market, and it sells, there is an expert, it has grown 10 times, this is unprecedented earnings, they are needed by hungary to cover all these things. well, not

just the whims of the regime there, castles, palaces, and so on and the like, but also its populist policy of freezing utilities there, the prices for six basic products, and all kinds of subsidies , i.e. what viktor orban's regime is based on, such paper-basedism and all these subsidies, so for viktor orban, it is a matter of his comfort, his selfishness, and his political survival. will fight for him until the end yes thank you mr. dmytro with endings methods as it were as if ms. dzerkal spoke about them yes thank you mr. dmytrenko unfortunately we have to finish but we still want to hear mr. bohdan's opinion on this matter well i will say yes because i really agree but i will say that viktor urban is not the only problem there, hungary for example, and taken separately. that is, we see that there is a certain demand also from such right-wing radical populists in other eu member states, and this is why we must also see the threat as a serious one

a challenge for the european community because he is a certain model, an example, perhaps even for such imitation for other leaders of certain countries that we may not even know about yet, but the elections will be in italy, but we do not forget. this is how the elections came in sweden directly, where the government changed which was headed by the social democrats for eight years, now the right-wing are coming to power and enough with such drastic and radical actions , that is why it is worth consolidating around that and our partners, the state member of the european union and also various progressive political forces in order to fight back against such encroachments on democracy both in each individual eu member state and in the european union in general and to hope that the opposition in hungary will be stronger after all, it will be able to change the political system, well actually they are trying to strengthen their positions before the

start of voting in the european union hungary , according to the e-e plan, will preside here in the second half of 2024 gentlemen thank you expert on international issues and also dmytro tuzhanskyi the director of the institute of central european strategy was with us in this part of the broadcast the only news together we are strong armed forces need drones make your contribution our weapon is the truth in the studio of the channel council we continue the only moment we will continue to work on the information front first of all briefly about the main topics together we are a force unified news in the center of events in ukraine marathon unified news continues to work for you my name is olena morozova further to the news us congressmen ask the pentagon as soon as possible