of the same level against this place from where nuclear weapons were used, the second option is used in response, nuclear weapons are used in response, and modern weapons from a selective technological movement are more possible and it is more accepted for the west, and this reduces the risk of a full-scale global nuclear attack, andrii veselovskyi is now leaning towards such a second option former deputy minister of foreign affairs of ukraine permanent representative of our country to the european union 2008-2010 thank you for your participation, i am interested in the second option, how much the area of ​​damage will be large, and i think this issue

will be discussed even more in the information field and in the expert section, so we will follow for the time being, we will include petros auch read from the number of the member of the european parliament from lithuania petros, we welcome you hello, we welcome all the studios, i will say that you came to visit us on our tv channel is just the first days of russian aggression, and i remember you, the optimism you radiated at that time, that everything will be fine with us, but unfortunately, the war dragged on, that 's all, if we can, let's continue this topic which we raised with the former deputy minister of our mfa of the ministry of foreign affairs, andriy veselovskyi, is there any scheme for the reaction of nato countries, the countries of the european union, and the world community in general, in the event, god forbid, that the russians use tactical or other nuclear weapons, veselovskyi said that there are two options, one option - this is the destruction in response of one country by one of the nato countries of the point from where these nuclear weapons appeared, as i understand it, well, with all the weapons

somewhere in the russian hinterland, and the second the option is to strike a large object of the russian military infrastructure, and the american lieutenant general ben hodges said that in response the pantogon can be destroyed with high-precision weapons, but of a non-nuclear nature, for example, sevastopol and the russian black sea fleet, which is based in the city of sevastopol which is temporarily occupied by the russians. do you agree that these two points are the answer and is there no other third point that europe is there, nato and the world community will simply swallow, personally express concern and call the parties to the conflict there to peace and to the settlement of the issue not by military means, please, well, i personally do not think so, personally, i do not think so because you already know that this is the so-called conditional

war using that is, weapons that, as it were, have already freed everyone. i would say that the growing, uh, firm position of the west. and if they listen to what the current western politicians are saying, they are still serious politicians. understand russia that it will be humiliated and pay increasingly higher economic and social prices, including the military price for its adventure that it unleashed in ukraine, but of course it is necessary to keep in mind that the russian side is not only a scourge, it creates such a situation. when it can already be faced with a choice. well, how is it, only the use of nuclear weapons can, how could it save

you ? ukraine is attacking russia federation and such an option need to be discussed. yes, it is definitely discussed. i really hope that even the session at the new york nations gave russia an idea of ​​what to expect. i think that a firm statement from the head and from the main partner of nato is the united states of america there is no room left for a big fantasy on the russian side, and we must stand by this because we know that only some countries can respond to such a challenge to a nuclear attack, and we must surrender ourselves, even if only a few the firm position of these countries, because you know, we have it. it is not only dangerous, but i would say that

putin and egor are prone to political schizophrenia. eh people how eh how how eh big price yes but to maintain this positive tension from the west it is very important in my opinion, let us understand that the answer will be and you will not escape from this, you must understand it so that the calculation goes to very large losses and in lithuania is now discussing the possibility of russia using nuclear weapons at what level, and we never forget when we talk about putin's russia. what is it necessary to analyze all possible options, of course, it is very cruel to discuss such options, or, let's say, the scenario of development . eh events when there is a peaceful life when

all people think about the future eh create everything and build a home and so on but eh i think we only have one eh otvet falls later that one by one we will not be able to withstand this, yes, and russia also has something to think about, that is, after losing the russian side, they are not recognized as some kind of theoretical, yes . hmm how would eh part of society it would go out on the street and it would become the guarantor of the prevention of these cruel but possible scenarios of divorce petros well you said this is such a flattened answer should this flattened answer be publicly announced even don

god forbid a nuclear attack, because it seems to me that russia should be warned about those steps in response that will be implemented by the nato countries of the european union. can you protect ukraine in response, please, i fully support your ukraine and myself, too, yes, because it is one and the same thing, you know, even this is a game, a dangerous game around and around the zaporizhia nuclear station, it is already the same the very nuclear weapon yes, only in the second, in the second turn, and it already causes fear in all of us and huge, as if, uh, such, i would say, i would say that there is a huge necessity before thinking, all possible scenarios, but you know, i will approach this question

from the second if even from the side now, uh, we are talking about possible guarantees for the security of ukraine in the future well, i think that such security guarantees should be provided now without waiting for some kind of future, because now not only what is decided is fate, i would say the future of ukraine well, it's even fate, will ukraine survive, we know what kind of evil we are facing today, so this is a warning, a very strong warning, they need to think now . now it will mean a nuclear umbrella, and over ukraine, you understand, we need to talk about it now, it should be said, er, now, because er, the integrity of ukraine, er, i would say that

the survival of the er population is not only in in ukraine, and in europe, the whole thing is solved now, and here it is as if there is a delay - this is what i would say, i would even create additional risks. well, why don't we hear concrete statements, what will be the reaction at what stage when i think that we all we are in the interim when all of this should and probably will happen because we are all talking about the possible results of the so -called illegal referendums yes and we know what these storms are yes that is er, the russian side will start to be afraid of russian inviolability and untouchability even then borders or territories, yes, then i think that the time will come . and this is basically the beginning of the second week, there is nothing to expect here. the ministry of defense of lithuania

has decided to bring its troops to heightened combat readiness, and during the partial mobilization in russia, what is this connected with? after all, we have a common border of 400 km and 100 km of the leningrad region, and this affects us directly, so it directly causes certain security risks , therefore, the introduction of increased combat readiness eh parts of eh armies that are connected with quick response i think it is logical and eh no technical topics eh means eh details are not useful but you need to understand that eh increased readiness - it is clearly stated that izra- from the side of russia, you can expect anyone, uh, this side is now experiencing a huge crisis - this is a rallying bear, yes, and he can behave inappropriately, and

even as we do not expect it, i saw a poll on the streets, russian journalists asked citizens about their attitude to the law of general and partial mobilization i don't know what it's called in kaliningrad and yekaterinburg, and to my surprise, in kaliningrad, russian citizens were more militant than in yekaterinburg, which is very far beyond the urals, and the city says russia, russia, somewhere far away in kaliningrad, there was more of those who wish, you can have a selection there. such a thing can be so simple that there were more people who wished to join the army and fight there for putin to victory . they live in this enclave, which was once east prussia before the second world war, yes , prosperous, prosperous, prosperous, on the territory of europe, and often in

germany , prosperous, yes. they had a lot of privileges, by the way, they could go there to poland 50 km without a visa, yes, the issue of everything to the residents of kaliningrad was very, very liberal. we saw that they did it a lot of cars with license plates, even in lithuania, some bought real estate and so on and now everything has stopped, you know, lithuania and poland have closed their borders . the complex is as evil as it is to react to it and so on. and to the second, i will say that the russian citizens who

lived in germany and part of them live in lithuania and their support for putin was always higher than that. i have no way of explaining this phenomenon to russia itself i can’t, that is, you know, how would it be to uh, sozhenie yourself when you live with uh, a completely different space, you see a completely different thing and you support that which, as it were, achieves what you are using here in political schizophrenia of the highest level and probably after the publication of this decree, the russians could not understand it, and the mobilization in russia simply stretched out in the direction of those countries where there is an opportunity to leave without height. mongolia has become very popular. bator in the direction of kazakhstan and armenia by plane, baku is very popular in georgia, finland is now busy closing its border with lithuania.

well, it does not allow russians. citizens understand this even from the side of kaliningrad. on the body on the territory of lithuania how they are from themselves that's how they feel after the announcement changed if the public mood after the announcement of this decree is general or partial mobilization please, i should have said that uh, social stability is maintained and we don't observe any here, uh, additional uh, i would say, uh, signs about whom this tension can be, those who would like to express themselves with uh- eh, in favor of putin or moscow, they kept quiet, yes, eh, they are simply not visible, they understand responsibility, and so on , a reaction from others is also possible, and that’s for sure, eh , here. with names

that even decided to go to the monitoring eh, these so-called referees of donbass are here, and it's a shame, by the way, eh, it's not so funny. yes, i think there is a big risk here, such as provocateurs. there are a few, as they say, but uh, we understand it, and in this way, uh, i don't look at it, i think that we will preserve complete social stability, and uh, how would uh, calm down in society, we include our expert who lives nature in latvia now i won't tell him i won't remember what his name is well it doesn't matter he said that even a member of the european parliament is from the latvian ultra of peter of the russian party, a lady who is a woman who also intended to go

to this referendum. they have representative mandates. what kind of people are you talking about who want to legalize this pseudo-referendum that will take place during this week? they represent themselves. by itself, a group that is connected with the extreme leftists, i would say, in principle, communists and leftists, in general, they do not belong to any party, because for any party, this there was a huge risk. i think that there was a reaction from society. it would have been clear, but they are organized by the embassies of the russian federation, probably supported by finances, and they went on their way, and i congratulate you, and here it is, with it, happy party day, that is, they serve no one has any questions about the kremlin and er

er, member of the european parliament from lithuania thank you very much for participating in our broadcast and thank you to lithuania for the position a-a vadym vasyutynskyi will join us with a socio-psychologist and we will talk about the mood of russians er in connection with the announced mobilization er p vadim good health to you. i congratulate you. it is interesting that you have such a specialty as a socio-psychologist. yes, you have not looked at it from this angle. well, first of all, you qualify the psychologist a little jargon because in reality social psychologists should be said, but let uh, how can it be qualified, you know, these are very extremely interesting processes that i am involved in. well, i have been monitoring them for many years here,

unfortunately, i cannot deal with them directly. i study uh, mass consciousness. we are in ukraine and in russia it is only an indirect way to get to know each other. well, yes , yes, you know, from a scientific point of view, the unconscious includes awareness here, uh, it is like that, but these are very difficult questions, for sure, we can’t talk about it right now, but there is a very interesting process because uh, for many, many, many years, there have been various such predictions that russia is about to change, something will happen there, there will be a riot, a revolution, something like this is brewing . i really want to say that it is finally ripe, but all the same, i will look a little skeptically at the nearer period. because you know, the russian mass consciousness is fundamentally different from ours, not because we are somehow very

different, but this is how it happened in our historical fate we were younger brothers all the time, that's why it will be a little bit sharp and it was easier for us to free ourselves from this imperial syndrome. once upon a time, many ukrainians also began to think that we are soviet people, and that's why they tie their identity to this. and this is a very important characteristic of identity, that is, when a person feels who is she and who is she for, we are here for her, we don't often think about it, but in fact it is a very important thing, especially when there is a threat, just today there is a threat to our ukrainian tourism and we see how the mood in our society has changed, so the russian society did not have thunderstorms like this, or rather, it invented this threat for itself continuously non-stop, and at the basis of this their identity is the feeling of this imperial greatness, it is very important for them to feel exceptional , such as they are more on the world does not exist, only they

are the best in everything, and they are exceptional, rather even in repressions, atrocities, they are also random, you see, and their trouble is that this is uh, this consciousness is so theirs very, very juvenile there a very small part of citizens who feel something there somehow understand differently, etc. and therefore it was not surprising that, for example, the war in ukraine in ukraine greece at various stages supported 80% and even and even more although i always know his thesis here, what can you say about good russians or there is. it actually exists . but there are so few of them that it doesn’t really matter and it’s definitely not our job to figure out which of them is good and which of them is bad. although i wouldn’t say here that we shouldn’t somehow support those who express themselves in a positive way, but security in that that they then at one fine moment produce

their narratives and you understand why, and our people also believe them, but in relation to the great people there and exceptional people there with exceptional opportunities , special features. they call it well, this means that it is no longer necessary to watch on tv and bring the whole world to its knees, but it is necessary to go to war. how does this affect their psychotype now? that's about what i said is very monolithic, it's 40-50 percent. there are probably 30 percent that are just adjacent to the majority . they are somewhere so so comfortable to think what the majority around them think, who do not ask any special questions. well, i also have these 15 -20% who

doubt or or knowingly well disagree , but about this point 30-40%, who well just switch to the majority here, i think these events are just now , it is precisely for them the strongest impact, but the spray has no effect on us exactly on those who are not i was very impressed by the imperial majesty, but i agree with the majority. and why why does this guy bother to think about something and so on, and now they had to think about it, and that's why it's quite a lot if all, for example, 30%. now somehow they will change their opinion, this will be a very strong blow to this russian mentality. but i think that they will not change yet, that is, the process is underway, the process has begun, as far as i am concerned, the decisive break will happen when from this to the present partial

mobilizations will return. hm, funerals . let's say that when it turns into such losses and so on, because now, after all, in ukraine, mostly those who, well, to some extent did not object to this, are fighting, there are many among them, and such people came willingly for various reasons. here is the same a now when they will mainly play those who are not very eager to fight and they will have to take this fight and have to die and come back crippled, etc. this will be a much stronger blow, but when there will be more, well, i don't know, i don't know where to turn you don't have war events. for six months already, more than 50,000 people have returned home there, either in houses or in sacks, and there is no effect of any indignation . that is, they perceive as it should be said by putin, well, please

give your child to be slaughtered well, not quite yes, but you understand russia is too big for her 500,000 well , so much, well, you can say, but here there are two factors that influence such behavior, i.e. there are individual speeches there, some extreme matters that are still declared, but firstly, the government acts very often here, and secondly, it is the influence of the same public opinion, which is almost entirely on the side of the russian government, but when talking about theirs, i will speak to remind, you know, we like to criticize the russians in the second and so despise them even in all their behavior lesya, let the representatives of my generation and older remember how we ukrainians behaved when the soviet union occupied czechoslovakia or when the soviet cultured in afghanistan we were part of the soviet union, we were a huge part of that society , so part of society, we strongly protested , no, we were afraid, we did not understand and so on, somewhere, yes, you

understand , we moved away from it. we listened to an interesting program literally the other day, vasyl zima was interviewed, and inna kurochkina is a journalist, editor, producer of documentary films, she lasted a while or now even lives in prague, there are many people of all kinds european e-e editors, in particular, and russian editions there, many pseudo-russian liberals have moved there, live and work there, and here she says that it doesn’t matter. they remain imperialists, and even if people admit that putin is doing something wrong in ukraine, no one repents for example, for russian aggression in georgia for russia, which was back in 1993 and later in 2008 for russian aggression in chechnya in 296 and in 1999 for

russian aggression in moldova for russian well, that is, russian aggression was constantly aggression and intervention attacks on foreign countries and the real russia says that it will begin only when the russians repent for all their crimes, which, well, at least in the history of new russia, which was formed in 1991, she says yes, you say yeltsin is a great democrat and what did he do with gamsakhurdi and why did he attack georgia? and why did he attack yachkeria in 1996? he was the same aggressor and not a single russian liberal has ever repented for that, and it seems to me that there is enough of a grain of truth in this that russians must repent not only for aggression against ukraine and for its aggression against all against all its neighbors, which aggression has russia carried out for at least the last 31 years of its new history? do n't you think so? and we, well, i'm already a continuation of the

topic, really when we attacked afghanistan in uh-uh in 79 year, we were also a part of this empire and that in kyiv at least someone came out on khreshchatyk with a banner i am against aggression in afghanistan, he is called a hero, and i say that in this, we can say that no one, no one, no one, no one , no language, a unique psychologist none or all they stutter and quite sincerely we know them, it's just a drop in the ocean or five, i would say that there are 1-2% of russians who can give an adequate assessment of these events, but i will repeat it very little. i still have 10-15% , who will more or less realize it, but i leave it, if they have drunk, they will calm down and they

will say yes again, because we are brothers and we are older. so it is clear, when the russians will repent en masse, i will give only one example, the example of the germans who repented en masse of the west germans in the kdr and the west after the full collapse of germany if russia will reach this complete crack, then they will begin to repent and then it will be a process for 30-50 years, as was the case with the germans, that’s just how it will be, and they will not start russianizing just like that if we are talking about the mass level, about the general level in society in general, the same they are possible if for they don’t even know defeat, but no, i don’t know some kind of juicy crack, but they admit some mistakes, they make some kind of compromises, and something else, but we can see ourselves in the depths of our souls. complete fiasco, when they will already bomb moscow and turn it into ashes, then petya will be there for a

few minutes, sir, another interesting trend i read today from whom the russians can completely destroy only the inferiority complex in us, this is true, many people there began to sincerely understand the ownership of their homes as you say yes, where are yours, where are ours, but right here in zhytomyr, the guards are awarded, we have an honorary citizen, derkach, who organized and helped russia here, our mothers speak russian to children in the liberated cities, well, that is, here it will switch somehow, it will switch when you understand our identity, it is also quite different , we have such a colorful, different identity. well, that is, at least several options will always be listed, for example, the same russian-speaking ones, well, some of them, for example, are aware of this need or, er, that we need something to change their lives

and switch to the ukrainian language, but most of them also do not feel guilty and in the end understand that the fact that a person speaks russian is not a direct cause of russian aggression, because if we for example, they didn't jam the door at home and zloty hares because he has to justify because we jammed the door, it's not his business, it's also not putin's business, how can you talk, but he thinks it 's a well-known fact that he has the right to direct russian speakers are not to blame for this, but their behavior essentially provokes, provokes putin, this is a very difficult question, i.e. people, why should a person speak his native language from birth, a native russian from birth, then why should we blame her? she is not calling putin, well, why the majority does not do this. in the end, they fight and so on, that is, the question here is quite ambiguous, and if we think that after the victory, a happy life will already begin to succeed, then i am here