well, surely there could have been any where i was, any military operations, any war, there are logistical errors, there are other things, but this does not remove the essence of the problem, the essence of the situation we were in, we are in, we will be in, oh, many years, by the way and maybe the 10th year, but keep in mind that russia is the legal successor of the ussr, and the ussr was created because of the bolsheviks, who specifically neglected all their victories. they neglected the rules just where you could put them in prison. now we have the same ones, by the way, in 10 seconds, we need to finish on the right of the time in the united states created radio liberty so that the soviet people would know the truth about life in their miserable countries, and in the words of radio liberty, the kremlin announced the

beginning of the so-called referendums in the occupied territories of ukraine during hostilities and without international observers, the occupation administration under the control of moscow declares its full readiness for the so-called vote, and ballots are distributed even in homes to see if russia will succeed to annex the captured territories but how will the world react to this after the announced mobilization from russia, men of conscription age began to flee en masse, the queues at the finnish and other borders are only increasing . putin's plan to mobilize nato countries has exhausted the soviet reserves of heavy equipment that were transferred to ukraine, the usa and germany are in no hurry to provide the latest tanks, but is it capable

ukraine without them to conduct a successful counter-offensive and win back the territory captured by russia, see svoboda, welcome to the sloboda life hotel, my name is serhii stetsenko, we are speaking live on the pages of radio svoboda on facebook and youtube, as well as on the espresso tv channel, leave questions and comments for the broadcast and be sure like so more people will be able to see our life in the territories of ukraine seized by russia, from today the so-called referendums began, the main issue is the entry into the russian federation, what the kremlin calls it a vote and a demonstration of will is taking place in the occupied territories of the kherson and zaporozhye regions. now you can see a map of exactly which territories moscow is trying to conduct a so-called survey

controlled by the russian federation. in russia, it is called a referendum, it does not end today, by the way, this process will continue until september 27. currently, there is no reliable information about international observers or independent journalists who could at least somehow follow the course of this action, moreover, the moscow-supported administration in the luhansk, donetsk, kherson and zaporizhzhia regions are holding votes that contradict international law and the un charter in the midst of the biggest war in europe in decades. address once again condemned russia's intentions to hold fictitious referendums. well, how is the action going, which the kremlin calls a show of will against those occupied by russia territory, let's talk with us live kherson political scientist and economist volodymyr molchanov i welcome you please tell me if you have information what is happening now in the occupied kherson region, what

can be said about the mood of ukrainians during this so-called vote, did they go there or not , what is happening there regarding the mood - it is a mixture of disgust and fear, fear of everything because the occupiers chose three options, so to speak, to find out about the mood of citizens, this is direct voting at the polling stations which are open there will be only 198 in the territory of the kherson region, out of 89 stationary available e-e in ukrainian practice, secondly, these are e-e so -called mobile boxes with trial commissions with visiting commissions, in fact, it is me, as practice has already shown, it is just one or two people who sit somewhere in the yards next to with a large cluster of

apartment buildings and first they called to vote, then they sat down and sat waiting for someone to come, while somewhere nearby there are usually two or three russian soldiers with machine guns and the third way - this is directly the most frightening thing for our citizens. it is a house-to-house or house-to-house inspection . of course, they contradict all possible voting practices when they go to the houses of those who have never declared their desire to vote there, and they go alone or two people from the so-called commissions and the escort of two russian soldiers with machine guns, and there everything depends on whether they have the inspiration and the time. we advise all citizens

to open and pretend that they are not at home, but sometimes, at least by force, there is such a situation that they knock , bang and shout, we know what is known, get out , and how, if someone did go out, they had to vote, because in fact they were instructed and forced to make only a small clarification. i am sorry, but you said about these so-called election commissions this is my understanding of all the people who agreed to cooperate with the russian with the russian troops. that is, they are the ukrainians who agreed to cooperate. it is a bit more complicated. the fact is that when they said just 98 commissions, but the composition of those which they managed to get. they didn't actually make any of them public. somewhere half, half, half - these are really collaborators, and

various officials from the so-called military civil administrations, from the heads of simple adders here and to some there leading specialists, chief specialists, or employees of communal enterprises directly under the control of these administrations , that is, those whose managers, as a rule, transferred to the service of the occupiers and, so to speak, they probably did not consider it shameful to work in those commissions, or perhaps they were not informed that they would participate in those commissions, it is already difficult to say here individually, you have to approach it because the second group is the second half of these commission members. people are clearly random, i.e. some gauleiter is hired there who sits in a specific village and then with him the whole commission consists of unemployed people and

pensioners from the same village, and it would not be surprising if this commission worked in the same in the village itself, but it will work in the center, which is located 15 km from this village. that is, it most likely means that people once applied for humanitarian aid and left their passport data . there is no passport even among the collaborators, which is also interesting footage and a few seconds before this it is a small queue, but still there is a queue of people standing with russian flags, well, there is the same, well, again, it is small, but still there is a queue and in the network in the pro-russian pro-kremlin media in the channel's telegrams, even comments from kherson region, zaporizhzhia region, where people were asked and they said yes, we are finally returning there under the wing of the russian

federation, that is, after all, some percentage or is it possible brought people, for example, to the same kherson, this is such a peresu theater, you see now near the drama theater of the regional musical drama theater such a strange crowd with russian flags, who are dancing something there, uh, standing not far from it the buses that we brought them here, i don't know where they came from, maybe they are kherson people, it's difficult to pronounce something there because they only communicated in such short phrases. i didn't hear such a characteristic for non-natives of kherson , but that's not the case less even if it's the people of kherson, it's still a farce, first, even the occupiers themselves announced that voting at stationary polling stations will take place on the fifth day of this pseudo-referendum for the first four days - it's supposed to

go around apartments and vote mobile by mobile by commissions with mobile boxes in imaginary territories. that is, it turns out that they themselves are violating. they know where this precinct is located, although no one has received any invitations. precincts and not for which addresses they work, that is, people know something there for some reason and come with ready-made russian flags . it is already obvious that this is a production and who are the actors, some kind of team is playing in this way happy people of kherson, precisely for russian television, for russian, this is a propagandistic, e-e educational picture, you already said that, i apologize, you already mentioned that there is a

third option. at home, do you already know any facts that scare people, or is it even possible to force them to vote? yes, i know such facts. only what is reported about them . who are reporting this, of course, that it is open, they will never say about it until the territory is liberated, they will not report, moreover, even the facts are known, but not from these people themselves, that is, they report about others that someone even voted under compulsion. thus , they were threatened that if you vote no , then we we'll bring it to you, see if we have notebooks, then to you, so if you've already been caught and if you're being forced to vote, do you want to or not? just try to record this fact somehow. if you can't record it on electronic media, then at least notify immediately after

they leave you, notify the security service of ukraine or other channels of communication with ukrainian law enforcement agencies in the free territory about the fact that you were forced to vote in order to avoid criminal liability for such crimes as you carried out at gunpoint with a machine gun, in fact, but so that this did not happen. in order not to suffer and not to become the object of some investigation, it is better after all to pretend that you are not at home, do not open the door, they eventually have a lot of e-e addresses that you have to go around, they don’t have voter lists, that is, they don’t know who they will meet there, who will vote for them twice, who will vote three times, who won’t vote at all, that is, they only go around by addresses and there are cases where directly the member of the commission, who is usually one or two of them and what do they know that you are there at home, this is only characteristic of

rural settlements where everyone knows everyone, and in cities, in fact, if you not only do not raise your voice, then you can watch unpleasant moments when there is a banging and knocking at your door, thank you thank you very much, mr. molchanov, volodymyr molchanov, a political scientist from the kherson region, was live on radio svoboda and they talked about holding a so -called referendum in the kherson region, and now we can listen to the opinions of ukrainians who left the occupied cities and towns where the so-called referendum began today this is what they think about its holding. i am against the referendum, as i think that it is a small town and that my region belongs entirely to ukraine. this is very difficult. kherson region - this is

the territory of ukraine, this is the first time, secondly, this situation, we do not know what is happening there, as we are at the moment, the refugees are in my month's referendum because, well, how is it to tear off a piece, first of all, it is not passive and well, how is it possible during the war and in general , on foreign territories, that’s how he came home. what i want is what i create. i don’t support it. these were the opinions of people who left the temporarily occupied territories regarding the so-called referendums. and any referendums that are held in terms of the military presence of the russian federation can not be free, german foreign minister ananala borbok said after the meeting of the ministers of the group of seven countries in new york. according to her, the ministers of foreign affairs from the seven and the high

representative strongly condemned russia's statement on holding fictitious referendums on the sovereign territories of ukraine, which is temporarily under occupation, any referendums held under the conditions of the presence of russian troops, intimidation and forced deportation cannot be free or borbok stated that the topic of so-called referendums was also discussed at the meeting of the un security council in new york. russia's actions were sharply criticized by the heads of british and ukrainian diplomacy, james cleverley and dmytro mykolayeva. we know that russia is starting to hold pseudo-referendums on sovereign ukrainian territory without legal grounds after mass eviction of people in areas where people mostly supported ukrainian independence, we know what vladimir putin is doing. he is going to to falsify the results of these referendums, he wants to use it for the annexation of ukrainian territory and wants to use it as an excuse for

further escalation of his aggression, the most important pillar of international peace and security is the territorial integrity of states in any country, it is not allowed to change internationally recognized borders by force, russia struck on this principle and now the threat of war hangs over everyone to restore peace and security, we need quick and decisive actions. well, the advisor to the head of the president's office commented on the so-called referendums on twitter mykhailo podolyak wrote that a propaganda show is taking place in the temporarily occupied territories for zet mobilization, but how else can the world react to the holding of so-called referendums and what should ukraine do? let's talk with us live next. day well, world leaders and volodymyr zelensky himself have already

given an assessment of what is happening now in the kherson region in zaporizhzhia no one will ever recognize this so-called vote, but it still happens, no matter what the reactions were. what else can ukraine do in order not to lose these territories of ukraine now ? er, the actions of the ukrainian armed forces, and it is necessary to perfectly understand what is happening now in these territories . federation, and most importantly, in my opinion, a parallel should be drawn here, and you know, at the same time,

both the referendum and nuclear threats were announced by the russian federation. so, one way or another, these referendums will be recognized by the russian federation and increasingly by the socolite states there or unrecognized republics as such took place and the picture they paint all this will be done but it will not have any legal consequences for the whole world for the world first for this but for themselves eh they will be able to later well, as you know, it is as an assumption and as such a small analysis to talk about the fact that they will now or after the referendum will defend their territory, this is defending the territory of russia, and this is where you need to look and carefully analyze the statements of the leaders of the entire

kremlin, e.g. well, the man we just saw on the screen, in particular, and putin himself, about the fact that they will use all possible means to protect their territory, including nuclear weapons, so you know how to create well, i don't know who this is for can influence the creation of such a... well, you have some legitimate basis for the possible use of nuclear weapons in the future, this is what i think is the meaning and purpose of these birds about holding these referendums, mr. hondogitak, you mentioned that obviously no one recognizes the results these so-called referendums, however, if we again draw a parallel with the 14th year, when occupied crimea was annexed, and now it is the same well, almost no one recognizes

and considers crimea to be the territory of ukraine, but still in fact, the armed forces of russia are stationed there, the ruble circulates there, and so on, that is, it is normal to recognize these territories, well, no one. well, no one there may recognize it, but de facto, crimea has been going on there for eight and a half years. this is the story, well, look , the aggression of the soviet union against the baltic states and the annexation of this territory by these states were not recognized for many countries of the world, but i want to tell you that it is a matter of time, but the main thing is that it is important that the price of the

russian federation the accession of antarctica to the russian federation will hold this referendum by the forces of those polar explorers who live there, then the center will say well, i won’t laugh, of course, but in fact, this should not be treated as such, you know, with the novel, i already said that it is a threat in the further legitimization of the application nuclear weapons, this is what we must remember . well, from the side of protecting the world from our partners, i think all the steps will be taken after the completion of this so - called process, in particular. europeans started talking here, just a package

of sanctions, which are already accepted as a response to the holding of this fake so-called referendum, thank you, thank you very much for your comment on radio svoboda live, there was volodymyr khandogin , president of the ukrainian association of foreign policy, ukrainian diplomat, thank you for tomorrow on september 24, russian opposition groups call on russians to protest against the partial mobilization announced this week by vladimir putin. the opposition calls on those who disagree to come out on the central square of the russian the russian police previously detained more than one and a half thousand protesters. many of them in moscow and st. petersburg, who went to spontaneous protests against the mobilization, the security forces violently dispersed the protesters with cakes and threw them into car parks. the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi , appealed to the russians to fight and

protest against the kremlin's actions, or in case of being drafted into the ranks of the russian army and being sent to war in ukraine to surrender to the armed forces of ukraine, zelenskyi also does not connect the end of putin's regime in russia with the end of the war in ukraine in an interview with the german publication bilt. he said that the end of the war will depend on who replaces putin, i do not connect it with the end of the war, putin's regime will definitely end when the pub decides , the people of russia will definitely decide you and i have no influence on this, let's be honest, we have no influence on this, but who will come instead, it seems to me that the question is not in the people, the question is in the philosophy of their regime, the philosophy of preserving their power, the philosophy of

the relationship with ukraine if they do not change it if they won't change their doctrine, if they don't change then it doesn't matter who will be there instead of a young person, an old person, etc. and about the fact that an analogue of the ukrainian maidan in russia is impossible as long as the elites are monolithic around putin's support , he told in an exclusive interview with radio svoboda russian opposition politician dmytro gudkov in his opinion, this requires a split at the top of the elite. will it happen? we can listen to the entire world experience. sanctions as a rule, the population becomes poorer. and many people leave than the poorer population. the topic depends more on the government’s submission, respectively, and loyalty, and it actually increases, so sadimo hussein’s case showed that western sanctions

do not look at everything. this regime is 13 years old. it’s just that you need to create motivation under these people so that a schism occurs, so that putin gets rid of the people who actually belong to it, maybe not in the closest district. groupings in the kremlin so that the protest held victory, or it must split up, how much have you been saying all the time, or you must be the sky, not monogenic, to put it bluntly. for example, suddenly some deputies said enough is enough, let's go support the opponents, or some governor there said to hell with putin , there we are, and the oligarchs would start financing the maidan there. well, i have now told you what you have

it was oh, that is still impossible with us. as soon as all this will appear, it will finally come when people will see that it is already there and the police will no longer behave as they do now because they know shit. now we are beating this politician, tomorrow. he the president will already be a deputy there, or even they will put everyone in the camp , that 's how it works. by military court decision criminal and why didn't they invite putin and a number of other a-responsible people to the tradition? well, there are generals and officials and so on, because in fact it would be an ideal a-a way to delegitivize putin. communicate and to those who have become to make a proposal, ask him, this is a philosopher, it passed

, yes . to the criminals, he managed to lose the support of the elite, they turned him in right away, as if he lost the election. well , let's talk about what will happen in russia next , political scientist volodymyr stetsenko. i congratulate you. we should not expect changes in russia, do you agree, do you agree with such an opinion, well, excuse me, this is a banality, there is a theory of revolution, then even lenin from that time, er, said, well, people of my generation studied it, we memorized it all our lives definition revolutionary situation when the top cannot rule as before and the bottom does not want to live as before

and the theory of revolution, the modern theory of revolution also confirms this. well, i will give a simple example, one of the reasons for the defeat of the protests that took place in belarus is that there was no split there a year ago the split summer is definitely necessary and the weakening of the government is necessary and i will tell you we can influence this process not directly mediated by historical experience in particular enlighten russia itself and russia itself testifies to the fact that one of the reasons for the weakening and ice in particular, the weakening of the repressive apparatus is the defeat of the war if the repressive authoritarian regime loses the war and it is felt, it is felt by the population, plus the dissatisfaction of those who lose, those who fight at the front, but in the end this also leads to revolutionary changes, or at least to a political

crisis so i think we can join this process by er bringing the russian army to defeat by er as they say voluntary gestures er this is our way to provoke of the political crisis in russia well, in general, vladimir putin said in his address that this is such an existential crisis in russia and ukraine is already taking , well, and according to him, washington and brussels are allegedly pushing kyiv to do this. but again, he threatens to the answer to this is nuclear weapons and these cities, which i told about and were hit in ukraine, do you understand what the problem is, on the one hand, the risk of using nuclear weapons, unfortunately, is another thing. well, for example, tactical nuclear weapons have never been used, and if they will

to apply the effects of its application, the military effect will be limited and it will rather be symbolic, well, let's say that the contamination of the territory will be more than any military effect . ukrainian resistance, then the exact war will move to the russian territory. if the ukrainian troops do not do this now, then there will be no restrictions. this is the first thing. if it is a full-fledged nuclear weapon, then the damage will be to everyone. the nearest territories, including the territory of russia, and i am simply convinced that then the inevitable will be the third world war and it will be a nuclear war. that is, it will be a nuclear apocalypse. but now, control arguments, yes , there is a risk, we see that putin is raising the stakes if he is going to lose