operational tasks or the northwestern part of the black sea and around the crimea - this is their control - this is the control of the sea area and sydynaeva it is for the enemy's admission to the border i think that what kind of drone is this very good the best option for the navy of ukraine one of the options that can be obtained by us very quickly, why well, first of all, they perform all the assigned tasks within the operational zone. i want to remind you that from odessa to sevastopol, 150 nautical miles is not much, and just as well, both underwater and surface drones and what kind of drone? well, it’s a flying one. it covers this distance normally. and what’s the advantage of, for example, an underwater or surface drone in the fact that their cost is

included ? i'm even cheaper than running a missile. well, you understand how to operate a missile. well, it can be detected. and it can be detected. but in the combination, there are such goals, for example, for us there remains an unsolved task. find and destroy an enemy submarine. i see how it is, it is an underwater drone, and because it is, well , hundreds of times cheaper than building submarines , and here it should be noted that a submarine requires a base, training crews, and much more, their maintenance is also a big suma, there are such drones, they are built in europe, they are built in asia, for example, in the same korea,

there are companies in italy, in romania, and the market is like that, let’s say it is closed and semi-open, but i think that when the need and access. well, the armed forces of ukraine will have this. and drones, again, no, 40 of them are used for mine countermeasures. i think that this is really an ideal option for us, because if you combine the delta, it makes a lot of sense that it is a steering wheel, that's all. will be to the north - it will be up to 50 m deep, and this is such a klondike for mines for mine warfare. there are a lot of mines there now, and in order to neutralize them, you will need a lot of these means, and a trench minesweeper costs 50-100 million dollars. drones, for example, which ones

they can do practically the same thing, but not so far, and well, it’s not necessary, they cost us, again, one to two orders of magnitude less, and such systems are also on the market, that is, the main thing that is needed is the tasks that need to be performed to achieve some kind of operational effect. to focus on the forms , uh, well, again, to write in the resource that exists. when we do this brainstorming, we will see that the drone is completely, completely, it is completely uh, it is expedient, it is an expedient option at the first stage then when we cover in the near zone, we can already talk about building up more platforms, but they cost more. yeah, but it is also necessary, but you have to see how much resource you have, and you also have to remember the basing system, because , unfortunately, we do not have it all bases were in the crimea

and in 8 years we never built anything, we started building, but we know that we didn’t build it, but for those, let’s say. well, submarines and large ships, well. expectations, as a punctuation, it won’t fit , we can see it now, yes. what is it there all the time? shoot down, you have to look for it. well, again, everything is necessary . the task is possible. these are the starting positions for the construction of the defense . they will allow us to use them to complete those tasks, including the neutralization of the enemy forces in the crimea area ivan , you researched an interesting news story that related to the fact that the russian administration in the temporarily occupied

crimea announced that the black sea fleet had discovered and blew up an unknown unmanned boat that supposedly belonged to the naval forces of ukraine. the photos of this drone were publicly available . you actually wrote that this is the first time that a kamikaze boat appears in the information plane. but what is behind the scenes of this information, or is there any understanding at all? this is the ip of the russian federation. is this a sample from the ukrainian side, or what is your understanding of this case ? versions because, in addition to such confirming data in favor of one of the there is still no first version - it is really the most optimistic that it was ours on a torpedo or on a minelayer during the russian-turkish war, it looks quite technological there is a nice sensor for sterling and

optics electronic station contacts detonators for blowing up a ship, but the first thing is not knocking, what if the allies promised to give us something, then it is more likely for the tasks of coastal defense, not a stock friend, if it really was something of ours and high-tech the russians did it. because as always, they would have dragged it away and shown it as a trophy, but here they hurried to blow up the device in the sea. therefore, there is a second version that may also have the right to exist, that it was the russians who bought some such iranian-made dotronka mikadze theme for an attempt to sabotage it the grain corridor itself, because they are unlikely to risk openly shooting at civilian ships. but to try to blow something up. well, according to this iranian style, provocations are quite possible. just this may suggest why they rushed this to blow up the device well, on the other hand, similar units are in service in iran and in north korea. we have not seen them, although these are precisely those

rogue countries that like to brag about such technological innovations, so there may be a third option that, in addition to that, there is something similar to a high-tech the russians themselves decided to mold the weapons in order to, let's say, reinforce this mood so that crimea is a fortress that is under siege by fires. the debt services of the black sea fleet, that might just be an excuse. look, we are threatened here by an unknown weapon with unknown characteristics . our family is in danger. we must flee. well, for now , this is how the situation looks like. andrew, you are the developer of the strategy for the development of the naval forces. until 2035, this strategy provided for several components and which were actually er logical, one of the components was precisely related to the rates er on the mosquito fleet as the most effective option in comparison with the construction of

powerful corvettes of the ada type, er, explain any please, the advantages of the mosquito fleet and how do we now combine this cow type that is being completed in which corps is being completed in turkey with limited financial opportunities that you talked about when commenting on the situation regarding robotic platforms as a response to the financial constraints well , when did we build uh this strategy we again , the task is the capacity of the resources, which is and for this and for that, until the 35th year, we previously divided that period into three stages because we predicted that in the first five years we will have about 100-150 million dollars per year for the development of the navy, the next one turns out to be up to 400, then up to 600 million per year of economic opportunities. well, it turned out that from the 18th to the 20th, before the start of the war, we had about 3 billion hryvnias for the development of the navy per year, and we

calculated that uh, and at the first stage, he predicted that the main tasks would be performed in the near sea zone, that is, it could be 40,100 nautical miles from the coast, that is, where our shipping is going, where it is critical, so that we do not pack our ships did not think about the central part of the black sea mainly russian submarines operate, we thought that the mediterranean and so on, and in order to solve the problem of shipping control, the security of the parties, protection against aggression, we calculated that we need these weapons, we need rockets, torpedoes , artillery, mine-defense systems, radars to put on small boats, and so what, one ton of a surface ship, it costs, well, in fact, in any country, 150,000 dollars, one ton of metal, well, it can be 3,000. yes. that is, this is the skill of a person, it

increases the cost, the cost, the price, that's right. well, the raw materials for the technological product, and we calculated that indeed for 5 years we can fit into the budget of 1 billion dollars, and we chose three types of platforms that would perform these tasks - these are rocket boats, they had to be built in great britain, there was already a developed project there that means there will be 8 missile boats, eight missiles each, 64 missiles. so what we are missing now is the second, it should have been the american kateryny eyes mark the sixth, which would be engaged in cleaning our coast and providing the enemy with the opportunity to land carried out anti-mining measures, and here are the patrol ships, which patrols, which would look where the enemy would be, so that these agents and carried out measures

there, also patrolling a-a well, well, well, again, we needed a base on this, all all the boats, and uh, when are we brought the main americans and british to our partners, then they, even the americans , agreed to hand over the boats to us for free , and oh where to put weapons on them for free, and the british provided a loan for the construction of boats and were ready to build bases for us as in the black sea and in the azov sea, as for the corvette, i think he needs a motokos photo, but not now, but because he performs his tasks, well, it’s pe- outside of it, he carries eight cruise missiles, just like the boat, they are needed, but the corvette is expensive, well 5-6 times more than a boat

, frankly speaking, for the cost of this corvette, i would rather build 5 or 6 boats and have this capability in the form of eight missiles, for example, and the 48 sea, and this is important, besides, the corvette, we understand what it will be this is number one for the russians composite, let's say very charismatic, or symbolic, very serious, they will immediately directly introduce thinking to well, uh, behind this corvette well, it also needs a base, because the base was planned for chakiv, well, ochakiv, this one does not fit because it is a base for me it is suitable for many parameters and it is far from the area of ​​its use and it is dangerous and there, well, there are also serious dangers there in terms of depths . that is why. well, the ship is very good. as far as i

know, there are also many questions about the weapons there, because well how would the original ship adapt the weapon there , it is american, or approval is only for the construction of the transfer of this weapon for turkey, not for ukraine . that well, they will carry the hunt, we think for them, and they have, er, a sufficient number of missiles in order to, well, neutralize, destroy it, but it will be a serious such negative impact on us, so too, exactly what was the secret cruiser moscow according to andrii thank you for these interesting explanations, and we have literally 1 minute. i would like ivan to briefly tell you about what is most important for us to protect our economic interests in the black sea using military potential , in your opinion. i think that after that we will

say yes, the experience of blocking ports when our economy has suffered many billions of dollars in losses, the agricultural sector alone is 10 billion dollars, you cannot, in principle, ask yourself the question that we do not have resources for the fleet and what should we save on the photo? i think that we will need a system of all kinds, if it seems promising drones, yes, and actually large surface ships or, let's say, missile boats , of course, the question is in what time frame we can get all those means, because it's better for drones here, after all make an insert in the plan that we can get it faster, but we should not forget about the ships either, because, i repeat, we can no longer afford to save money, mr. andriy, your short summary of what we need, first of all, we need to protect the near sea zone and we need the capacity. we don’t even need platforms, we need weapons at sea, but we need to spend resources, well, we have plenty of money. and

just for the fleet, the state has a lot of needs right now, so i think that we should concentrate as much as possible on the ability to protect our near sea zone thank you very much for these expert comments. i would like to remind our viewers that ivan krychevskyi, a military expert of the defense express, was on the air of the stress channel. the chief of staff of the naval forces of the armed forces of ukraine, e-e, the captain of the first rank in the guest reserve asked i serhiy zgurets, the director of the defense express company, stay on the espresso channel some creatures he hunts washing machines and we are from ukraine and insure our machines online on hotline finance hotline finance, insurance , of course, online letters of the standings of teams that

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i will hear our guests. this is what the rescue itself is called. the main thing is about local self-government, about communities, about people, really great people from small communities, who, uh, also get closer every day our victory and work in local self-government and not only er, today we decided to talk about a project that was heard by all of us, it was overgrown with many stories there , even criminal cases related to it were you for sure you know and have heard that it was called the yatsenyuk wall, the avakov wall, the european wall, the wall, it was called differently, but the main thing is that this project was supposed to secure our border with russia, it was started in 2014, all of yatsenyuk's government then initiated it well, when russia actually started the war against ukraine, but it then it was not full-scale. well, maybe not everyone assessed

the level and scope of the danger that exists abroad. well, what about this project now, because at the beginning of this year, in january, the state border service reported that the project was completed in seven years spent almost 2.5 billion hryvnias on it, but it was planned that it would be completed only in the 25th year. well, then it was changed and a new project was started by the current government on the arrangement of the state border. it has to be implemented for 36 billion hryvnias . let's talk about the wall, how was it built, what is wrong with it, what is it, and in general, how can we fence ourselves off from the russians, from this horde, both now and after the victory , and how could we fence ourselves off even earlier, when they already understood that russia wants to fight with us? and what kind

of wall could it be ? i am not some kind of chinese wall i know what it can be in order to protect ourselves from them, what we should focus on when planning and what about the border in general, because in ukraine it is the largest in europe. almost 2,000 km. this is only land. we will talk today with vadym chernysh, minister of temporarily occupied territories of displaced persons in 2016-2019 mr. vadim i congratulate you, it's nice to see you thank you for joining, see, mr. yatsenyuk, just recently, he said simple things again, well, everyone picked up and started speaking simple things again, but he said that the construction of the state border has been discredited by the russians for years, by all kinds of fraudsters , nightingales and useful iotas in our country, and the state border is not the yatsenyuk wall, it is one of the elements of the protection of the ukrainian state, what happened

? what is wrong with the project, which was popularly called the yatsenyuk wall? how do you assess its effectiveness ? i will say that from the very beginning, the shareholder was designed for a different type of threat than the ones we have now. the rules of the european union since we signed an agreement on association and a number of others with the european union, in particular on readmission, what does this mean that if a person is an illegal immigrant in europe, it is found that he came through the territory of ukraine to us and he is returned to us, so we had demands against other illegal threats migration, including through the territory of ukraine to the european union, and there, of course, the state border service and the bodies of the ministry of internal affairs and subordinate institutions are responsible there, the migration service and all others

and then this project, well, as you show now, there is wire, there are observation towers , and so on, it is military, in a military plan, well , the prices are not so good, especially there is wire and such a fence, so it seems to me that it was, well, strategic the mistake is that only from this type of threats and only the border service is equipped with it, or in the structure related to the ministry of internal affairs, it should be done on the basis that there may be a military threat along the entire border line, that is, the equipment of military facilities is not easy on the border and near the border well, as it is military science, not only what we see there, but anti-tank systems were also foreseen, then say changes were, these were changes

. there are buildings, but they are therefore in other regions , i will not name which ones are not in the ones we are talking about, that is, for example, in the rivne region, such works were not carried out . of military columns there, including the kharkiv region, work was usually carried out more intensively there, i don't want to just talk about the objects, because i think that it is still some information with limited access, although, well, there were no such restrictions there, let's say restrictions, but from the very at the beginning , you will remember that we prepared so much for this threat, but these anti-tank trenches are the right approach, er, defense structures, the right approach is the wire of a different kind, i already told you the threat, but in general, well , the idea a-a well, there and here you can agree with mr.

by yatsenyuk, what are the useful idiots and the russians, of course , tried to prepare it, but that doesn't mean that we were laughing like that, but the wireless is yatsenyuk's wall there , hahaha, but there, well, let's say that we did everything 100% correctly, too. i'm saying that well, it was necessary to take into account more of the military component for money, well, now i want to tell you that when there was a migration crisis, it happened right on the territory of the belarusian border, right there, we didn’t build anything like what we built in the east, so right there different children situation and that's why i say that and now uh, since 2000. well, even from this year, at the beginning of the year. well, there was not much time left before the invasion, but now and then, we already see work on demining and expanding the zone that should be mined, that may have equipment

equipped in that including from the territory of belarus and so on, so that you can see the physical movement across the border, but i already want to insist on that, i insist on the fact that the border passes not only on land, but also in the air, that is, air defense that allows you to shoot down the approach of airborne targets from ukraine is also part of the protection of the ukrainian border, and this system is called in nato practice , it is called "entery access", that is, the zone that is there, ideally, could protect us from the penetration of any ground objects air, of course, this is still work for us in the future, so i would not only talk about the earth, but i mean the fortifications and ditches that were actually dug according to the program of the wall. i am not saying that they were not there, and they were just about what was

kharkiv sumy, see chernihiv oblast, these were the initial pilot projects, and luhansk donetsk was supposed to be included, where did they manage to do it all? of course, in some of them i don't know for sure, because i wasn't involved in this work, i know that i myself personally own some of the objects i saw well, i don't know if it was done along the entire border, some of the objects were done, including in the donetsk luhansk region. i also saw them in person, but again, some objects we can't simply name and that's it. well, i mean them used by the military there, well, part of it was successfully used, part of it was used, i think it may or may not but, well, it’s war, but you understand that you can’t predict everything, but well, conditionally, let’s say not to concentrate only on the visible levers, if

you can show, then a lot has been done the government in which i worked, that is, there is a whole network of defense structures that were used in the armed forces and are still being used, and they were built not only on the line or on the border, but also at remote points but of course, as we have so far shown in practice , there was not enough in some directions, so it seems to me that there were miscalculations or they were refined, but in some places in the kharkiv region, for example, it was well equipped in some places, but to be honest, the analysis should be carried out separately. now, i can't tell you in a comprehensive way, it's that the insufficient number did not take into account all the dangerous directions , the insufficient number of the buildings and measures themselves was so there were also problems with e.e. there are our traditional problems with laundering of budget money

because it's a huge number of criminal cases, eh. to be honest, i didn't keep track of how they ended against there during the procurement. i think it's necessary to look. it seems to me that they are still up to now and you still have not finished if the people there are guilty or innocent during the procurement. i remember i'm sorry, but i wanted to hear it because this is a strategic issue, a matter of the country's security, and maybe if all these millions and planned billions had gone where were they supposed to go, then we would have had fewer victims during a full-scale ground invasion ? the armed forces are the border service and the border service does not perform the functions of the armed forces. that is, it can help repel armed aggression, but this is not its main function. and now what is left is when migrants or subversive groups violate there, it is normal. and when tank convoys, planes are there, and so

on. of course well, what you show doesn't delay, because you have to notify the materialists and everything else, just look at the type of threat that we have now, a full-scale invasion turned out to be such that everyone warned about it already later in the 20th century in the first year, i.e., putin began to concentrate troops in such massive volumes in the 21st year, but then mining had to be intense against then too. everyone laughed at the wall, well, it was hahaha, what ditches, but if we imagine sumy chernihivska on our border the streets of kharkiv are real anti-tank ditches and additional anti-tank measures, so these columns would probably not have passed so easily then. well, of course, i’m saying mining, er, mined, there was nothing, it was practically not there. tanks are just going there, even on the roads, there, along

the roads, in the fields, calmly, that is, just now, there were footage from open sources of how ukrainian units are mining the territory, moreover, there is now a bill in the verkhovna rada that expands this border strip, he uh and uh- it will be wider so that the land can be used for equipment for protection, and i think that this is positive, but somehow it is also slow again, so that already in the military plan, more attention should be paid to this lane especially in belarus, well, from the side of belarus, from the north side, and i also want to tell you that, from a military point of view, these structures should not be located only on the border. they should be located in such a way that fire damage is inflicted on those who try to cross the border and until now and in

the future, these buildings. we cannot discuss much there because it is still, well, conditionally, we will not be very much, mr. vadim, but we need to discuss what was not done or what was not done as it should be, because it is, well, it our security. i just remember how people from these villages on the border wrote to me. because i am from sumy oblast, that 300 units of tanks are coming to our village. they came to our village. when he came home from the border, please don't stop them, and only if there were some ditches there. or mining or whatever well, didn't we know that in the 14th russia had already captured part of the ukrainian territory of course we knew of course that we had to defend ourselves from the military threat eh of course we had to invest more intensively look there there are simple solutions relatively simple solutions even for of the civilian population, there are public transport stops made of concrete, not dmytro's mo