and in the future, we cannot discuss these buildings very much, because until now, well, let's say conditionally, we will not be very much, mr. vadim, but we need to discuss what was not done or what was not done as it should be, because it is this is our security. i just remember how people from these forces wrote to me at the border. because i am from sumy oblast, 300 units of tanks are coming. they came to our village. how did he come home from the border ? ditches or mining or whatever. well, we didn't know that in the 14th russia has already captured a part of the ukrainian territory, of course they knew. of course, it was necessary to defend against the military threat. of course, it was necessary to influence funds more intensively. look there, there are simple solutions, relatively simple solutions even for the civilian population . not dmytrovoy could

perform functions for the civilian population, for sure , there are some buildings that could be equipped for the military . natural structures are artificial structures that can be used as a defense complex as military dual purpose structures, of course such a complex project should be developed together with the armed forces and not only the border service. it seems to me that this is the main approach that the border service is the main one from other threats and they are military at all. well, from the military threat of such a greater level of a larger- scale invasion. it seems to me that the armed forces are not involved in this project at all in terms of volume, it is precisely one of the managerial shortcomings. it seems to me that this is why we have such a situation that now the armed forces are the main forces, and now they

are deploying units and buildings in such a way as to secure or, let's say, minimize possible attacks on the border now, but the time is now shortage of resources shortage of resources how did you prepare a little earlier more intensively and of course it would be better to prepare from migrants one story from contramatists for what the border guards are doing and from in military columns and anti-tank trenches as well they won’t go along the entire border, that is, in some directions, according to defense, the department was not involved at all, only the border guards were there. no one was the main thing. the ministry of internal affairs and subordinate institutions were the main ones, but regarding such things, it seems to me that the main thing should be. well, the ministry of the region was involved . it was not our ministry. civil administrations in the east were also included in the military. moreover, there was a period when, by decision of the president of the administration , ordinary regional administrations were involved. were responsible for the construction of buildings in other regions

when at the beginning there was no money, that is, such initiatives were from the president of the time and the government in order for the administrations to be attached to certain districts or certain territories and build such buildings at the beginning er, sometimes there was no such budget funding and programs, so it seems to me, er, well, then they did what was possible and mobilized enterprises and enterprise equipment in order to build, but it was mainly in the east that from the east, then the russians crossed in columns, as now they are along the entire length of the border, and it seems to me that no one understood about the latter that they came from many directions. well, for example, in the 15th in the 14th year, but when it became clear in the 21 it seems to me that this was such a powerful signal that it is necessary to treat the entire length of the border more carefully, to

build new structures, to lay mines, er, on the letter, it is obvious, well, it is worth saying that the border is already long in our country. the largest in europe - almost 2000 kilometers of land only and look at it. it is true that we have sections of the border that are not demarcated at all, well, that is, there is not even a drawn line, the locals say well, here we are ukraine, and there is russia somewhere, and there is no border. that is, we are not even divided everywhere, it is not something to replace even there are populated areas. the same. where is the marking , but it’s true even past the populated areas . and it’s not for ukraine, it’s russia that blocked there from sumy, kharkiv, chernihiv, to them. let’s go here. wait. let’s sit down. we sat down at the table and went home, the border, as it was, constantly blocked the er process of democracy, i.e.,

the establishment of these border marks, er, the russians blocked all the years of ukraine's independence, and er, it was a directed policy of russia, and it seems obvious to me now why, because even such people why we have a border here, there are some columns there, this is all conditional yes, then we will just come to you to kill correctly, as you see it, pay attention to what is the so-called border smuggling, and it had significant volumes with russia, not only in western europe that's why there were these oil pipelines or gasoline pipelines , alcohol even passed there, so to say that part of what well, what was done in order to overcome this phenomenon, but it seems to me that it's not only there since the 14th year, it happened even before that. honestly it

was said from the criminality, which was engaged in uh, clearly the influence of criminality and these established russian-ukrainian groups, of course they were not interested in the fact that there was demarcation and equipment of the border, especially in places. well, where there is the participation of local law enforcement officers or the security service there were individual workers or there were a lot of investigations by journalists who were involved in which not only on the western border because we have all the attention on the western border, but in fact on the eastern border smugglers felt quite free, especially there, in all the border regions, especially in luhansk er kharkiv region there was a huge movement of goods, including the production of china and others and russia, and in fact, there are light petroleum products there, so, to be honest, there is this problem of equipment and control over

the movement of the border was incredible no no no well with such breakthroughs serious that is why they were gradually tried of course but there was a lobby and they tried to eliminate them in opposition therefore these issues are complex , they are connected not only with the military threat with the military threat and with the fight against smuggling from the processes there, which er, let's say conditionally, we'll call it countering the movement of migrants, or our er obligations to the european union, what a complex of means, that's why we decided that the ministry of internal affairs would be, but in fact, it seems to me that the main thing should be defense departments if we knew that or at least that is, in the manager of the parents in the defense project well, mr. vadim, what conclusions do we now have to draw from this, the main thing is, and how do you see how it is possible to fence off from russia at all, this is real how it

is practically now well, it’s really difficult, but it’s real, that is, now there is a completely different type of technology, for example, controlled charges that can be detonated, destruction and, at a minimum, minimization of opportunities for crossing water barriers, so to speak, there, let’s tentatively say, special equipment which allows you to detect e.e. by seimological signs, a car is moving there and the sensors are already transmitting shooting coordinates, 3d maps for artillery, e. defense zones, special facilities are equipped properly, that is, there are technologies now that can be borrowed from other countries e.e. of the world not to fight against migrants and the threats there are smugglers, namely with military these technologies for

protecting the border, there are several powerful manufacturers of such technologies, i will not name the israeli companies now, so as not to accuse the american ones of lobbying companies, western european companies, and i think that we should pay attention to them, and i want to remind you that in approximately the same way that we equipped the russian-ukrainian or ukrainian-russian border, and the russians tried to equip the land border in crimea, they also put wires, cameras, and so on further, i think that it is also not designed for a military component , that is, it seems to me that the russians, until a certain moment, did not think that they would enter ukraine militarily on a large scale, but when was migraine migrant crisis, we saw all the state of the border with belarus and it is clear that this was, well, it is clear that there was this direction and the means were

not enough, do you think that the russians did not plan to enter through the border of a full-scale eye in recent years when they, uh, just did everything for so that we don't have that border and the maximum number of these crossing points are so uh poor, well, on a large scale. they started preparing this from 2021, when it is obvious that they began to concentrate troops along the entire line, precisely uh, those who can to invade, but such a transparent border allowed subversive intelligence groups to calmly walk around the territory or go in. to transfer anything to anyone, to transport anything, of course, anything, but much easier than an equipped border. until the 22nd very actively they went there and traded and

worked and everything in the world and how did it happen and in this connection i want to remind you of the explosions at warehouses er army warehouses all over ukraine er already there after the beginning of the anti-terrorist operation or the operation of the joint forces after the invasion of the russian east , that is, until now, there is no final version with the blowing up of warehouses. one of the versions is the crossing of the border. it could have been a drug there from the territory of russia that could have gone there and detonated it. that is, it is also a question of the border, how can i cross? it is an agitura, of course, and internal. but it is still a question of border control, crossing the border, and its equipment. er, or even several departments of the national guard

in part well, but it will still go to the ministry of internal affairs, because there is also the rivne nuclear power plant on that side and the chernobyl power plant. that is, there are two divisions of the national guard, there are military personnel, there are border guards , that is, such coordination mechanism, of course, it must take into account all types of threats, no only one type of threat, or there are two or three ago, it seems to me that this is a question, but well, let's say that it is so general to criticize that nothing was done at all. and it's also wrong. it just seems to me that there are mistakes which must be recognized as incorrect identification of the type of threats, possibly inadequate or incorrect identification of directions, possibly wrong selection, not comprehensive selection, but what can we say that well, nothing was done there, this is also not true, moreover, we partially attracted foreign funding for equipment, that is, foreigners also said put cameras, put a test put all this there, then

they told us 14 of the 14th year, mr. vadim, i thank you very much for this conversation, it is important to recognize the shortcomings for all of us to draw the correct conclusions because this is a question of the security of our future, i thank you for the professional conversation vadym chernysh, minister of temporarily occupied territories of internally displaced persons, minister of ukraine, he worked from 2016 to 2019 in this department, we will see what is happening at the border now, how is this new program and my native sumy will be in touch with us, only we should have had the head of the administration , now there is a replacement deputy i understand, i will see him now taras savchenko is with us the first deputy head of the sumy military administration taras, i greet you like this. good day, but you see, i don't know. did you hear us talking about the wall project, do you remember that it was called the edible yatsenyuk yavakova, the european wall, uh, at

the beginning of this year, the border guards reported that this project was completed, and they spent 2.5 on him well, he was not only in sumy oblast, so now he was in sumy oblast. please tell me, in terms of formality, which project is working, because there, as a replacement, the new government has already started a new project, which has now been brought to you as an administration regarding this project wall eh to be honest, i can’t comment on the wall project, and there is no detailed information, but i can say what the regional military administration is doing . the territory of the oblast from immediately after the aggressors were expelled from the territory of the oblast, that is, in early april, the relevant processes and procedures for

strengthening the border began, they continue even now. of the simplest shelters. by the way, i am very grateful to our forestry companies, which actively participated in this process and provided a large amount of wood for the construction of these fortifications free of charge. local self-government bodies, businesses, and so on provided the equipment. now we have moved from the simplest fortifications to more complex structures . we finance these processes from the budgets of local self-government bodies, partly from the regional budget, and in fact, this is already such a more powerful fortification that uh can uh well long-term, let's say fortifications that can

withstand more powerful weapons, it's not just that there are trenches and dugouts, in principle, the process continues constantly, we constantly improve fortifications , because in our country, as you know, the longest border with the aggressor country is almost 500 564 kilometers, there are different terrains, there are fields, there are still two sites, swamps, and different terrains, and different infrastructure exists on the border in terms of roads and lubricants, so there are measures to form mines there. explosive barriers other special measures but i want to assure all viewers of the espresso channel and other viewers who hear me that sumy is systematically

working to strengthen the border and as the entire military assures . it is impossible, the enemy will not pass a single meter in the border region of sumy region, on the territory of sumy region, they were amused. thank you for this information. it is good that it is all happening now. the day before, this is from apostol, she is a young woman, i understand, now we will be shown a video, and there a local woman shows her broken household, a young woman - it is on the border with russia, sumy region is told for those who do not know, and these residents say when they they ask and where is russia and where is the border

this is so scary the first time we were a little bit far away well how once it was well a little bit that somewhere well like nothing somewhere oh in the ditch they said well somewhere now and before the horses of the city go there, and there is nowhere else we walk more expensive, it’s scary to walk to the border here, as far as one dream, landing is visible already, there it is, landing, it’s already russia. so they haven’t paid attention to us yet. well, now i’ll go and look at the store here, god is already russia, god is already russia. well , now it’s probably different our residents of yunakivka terrace are watching, so let's tell our viewers that the checkpoint there was one of the largest uh-uh how, when the russians entered on the first day, they walked along these undemarcated parts of the border or along the roads why did they enter uh-uh firstly, it is small

the remark about the shelling is really unfortunately, the shelling is almost daily a-a a-a sumy region suffers from these shellings and for us it is an exception and a great joy when e there the night passes calmly without shelling usually a-a several dozen arrivals is a standard for sumy region from various e with various weapons, starting there rifles and mortars of the rsv, launching from aircraft, guided and unguided missiles, unfortunately, unfortunately, this is how we live, and what i would like to emphasize and try to develop, including economically, in such conditions in the conditions of the border region, regarding your question it's true that on february 24, as far as i know, and i have information on the roads through checkpoints

, shelling was recorded at three to four in the morning there until five in the morning. hmm, by a few a-and there, on key asphalt roads, eh, and eh, well, then they didn’t immediately go to sumy. so were stopped by our heroic ones countrymen and e-e in the area of ​​okhtyrka and near konotop and they did not pass through e lebedyn region, then we reached the poltava region e-e thanks to the military who at that time were also in okhtyrka and partly in konotop and e-e on the border from chernihiv oblast, and those who were in poltava oblast,

thanks to the partisan movement, managed to stop these columns and they did not break through to kyiv, we remember those days, mr. taras, but now, now, representatives of the authorities are talking about what we knew a month ago, we knew for sure, that's what western intelligence had warned us about before and if, for example, these sections of the border had been mined or there were anti-tank ditches , maybe we would not have gone as calmly as we would to our own home. there are these columns of tanks and tanks in yunakivka stepanivka. what do you think? well, you know, i am not a military personnel and i cannot i don’t have detailed information, er, what was there with special protection measures at the border at that time, and i can’t give professional assessments, but er, i can say

in general that er, well, you know, in such cases in this story , it is hardly appropriate hmm to remember what happened because uh, at that time uh, in the winter, if you remember , there were completely different circumstances, different moods, no one fully believed, even though there was information, even experts, even international experts, non-believers, there will be just such a full-scale invasion, uh, i think it will be an invasion there uh- e through the donetsk luhansk region. therefore, now that 22 or 220 days of heroic struggle have already passed there, it is easy for us to judge because it is already happening, at that time it was completely different, of course they warned, of course some information circulated, but once again no there was an understanding exactly in which areas of the border there was a breakthrough and how much the breakthrough would be and as far as i

understand taking into account the limitations and especially at that time resources and human and e resources from the point of view of military equipment and there was a definite understanding of the command of the general staff that it is necessary to concentrate the military precisely on the territory of in the eastern territories of ours, certain units were listened to from the city of sumy, and in fact, sumy region , with the exception of a separate engineering unit in okhtyrki, which is a small unit, part of the konotopi unit, remained irregular troops ago, but now i emphasize that time has shown that the people of sumy - these are really worthy descendants of the cossacks who lived in these territories for centuries and defended them from the invasions from the wild from the wild steppe, but all these people woke up in us and the people of

sumy are simple and community leaders and our team actively joined the struggle, the results of which you know, you say everything correctly, taras, and it's just that we, as residents of this region, should ask these questions, and ukraine in general, because uh, well, look, i'm reading what was planned the wall was a project back in the 14th year, well, if it was all done, well, it would be super. hmm, our residents are heroic, but the question is, at what price will this victory come? an earthen rampart , fortifications, towers, this is another project, the wall, which was planned in the 14th year, and the money was allocated for it, well, good money, billions, i just think that if they did all this, it would be possible not so easily came in, i remember how the guys said that they just started shooting border guards there, they didn't have anything they saw that the russians were using

these systems somewhere, well, there was nothing to that important strategic projects and further after the victory. what should we do to protect ourselves from them forever? after all, i, as an official , must be responsible for my words. it is correct and i, er, work in the civil service er, only from 2021, from the spring, and i i can't comment what were the ideas for me in 3-4 years, i am not familiar with the details of this wall project, but i want to say something as a person who grew up inside these events and is now engaged in certain coordination processes, including the strengthening of our border, according to me now he showed the development of events that these solid technologies are huge concrete slaves, barbed wire

is impassable, something else, it is probably appropriate in certain areas, but in my opinion, you are more important now, observation technologies, what are you and we doing, that is, mounting quality system cameras that work there both day and night see tens of kilometers ahead is more important than having a concrete wall there with a height of any height or depth for which there are certain countermeasures, that is, having certain camera traps there, having means of radio-electronic surveillance well, that is, these smart technologies will be more, to a certain extent, i believe in this, and cheaper to implement , and they will give more better results than burying hundreds of millions and billions of public public hryvnias

to fill concrete all the more, i repeat again, to feed some form, well, let’s say a solid wall , as far as i’m concerned, this is no longer technology and it is non-defensive technology of the xxi century, yes, in certain areas that you mentioned, in particular, where there is direct contact, where there are roads , and such fortifications are needed, but smart engineering systems are needed in most areas, and we have, in particular, a state university that has certain developments and developments; we have whole institutes. what can you mean ? sumy state university, by the way, is one of known higher ones, he is in the top five in all ratings , he is in the international ratings, uh, shanghai dances, and so on, and they are just engineering. which direction is quite advanced, so

uh, we could even implement it if there was some funding, support, and something real, but you understand at the amateur level, if it were a state system program, we would be able to make certain decisions, if there were psycho funding, i completely agree with you here, and i think that we should raise this issue separately, because in order for it to become a state state program, it must be pedaled and to raise, you know, but if there is such an idea - it is great for our local scientists, in the end, taras, the money in the budget is now some in the region earmarked for the arrangement of the border, and look, i will say that, ah, in our country, we took it out of wages salaries, including myself, a certain amount of poland and all from regional institutions, or in april, may, we moved them all to the reserve fund, and now the reserve fund we provide for the needs of the military e-e in various directions and e from the point of view of arranging

the border partially from the point of view winter form now on the general issue of heating, the arrangement of heating points for temporary displacement. that is, it is not only engineering structures. we make sure that our people, our fellow citizens, under normal conditions at zero or close to it, can fully perform their duties, and to this, of course, we include the budgets of the communities we have taken on the function of moderation. we communicate with the military, we understand what we are posting , and then such a distribution. communities, we explain to these communities that it is impossible to be a butyl community, you are a bordering community, are you a community of the romen district, we still have a common task and, first of all, taking into account the financial capacity of the budgets, we distribute the burden on them for these purposes. it is good that our well-known communities

managed to spend this reform of taras savchenko, i thank you for what you are doing and for taking the time to tell our viewers about taras savchenko, the first deputy head of the sumy military-civil administration says that no more the russians will pass, as they did on february 24, or in sumy oblast, the border is ready, the border is ready, i thank you for watching this self-government program about communities about reforms about large ukrainians from small communities congratulations, this is andriy yanitskyi with the new economy on the espresso tv channel, if you watch us on the internet, please like it send the link to your friends and family comment on this video people should know the truth so more people will see us let's start with such news national anti-corruption bureau and special anti-corruption prosecutor's office