er, it’s very comical, because you know interactively like a scooter and you can hear it from afar, and our air defense units are already practicing in the south and over the dnieper, you already said correctly. i think that in the near future the method of countering these uavs, well, with an unmanned aerial complex, will be practiced in our country thank you, mr. serhiy serhiyevich , and the spokesman of the eastern group of troops was on our broadcast about the situation in the east. however, the situation is worse than in kyiv oblast, because kharkiv oblast was under occupation for much longer. it was the third part of kharkiv oblast, and again in chuguyiv and izyum districts of kharkiv oblast, two people were blown up by landmines. they were picking mushrooms in chuguyiv oblast. the time of mushroom picking and the same accident

with a 24-year-old resident of the izyum district, he was also picking mushrooms, people. well, let's refrain from picking mushrooms, especially in the de-occupied territories. it's just full of dangerous things there explosive enterprises and useful, except for squirrels and mushrooms, in principle, they like the process normally, but let's wait a little while we understand this, too, this is also very appropriate, lilia stupina is with us, and we congratulate mrs. lilya, congratulations, congratulations to ukraine. home, but we understand that you have not yet waited for your loved one and from captivity , that's right. yes, we are waiting for the return of our relatives. we are waiting for the return of our relatives. as far as we know, there are still about 700, so

roughly speaking, azov residents are in captivity, and that is why our struggle continues and we continue to work, our association also continues to work, and we will do it until the last zoological will return from captivity, how is the continuation of this work, and the association is all the relatives of people who are in captivity, you have united now for joint work, right? just showed a-a marines, yes, all those who come, who was at the azovstal, who fought there, and our activities include eh and conducting promotions eh some informative events eh work with all possible mass media eh hmm we

have also repeatedly written a lot of letters to representatives of various international organizations, such as we already know how they work, we can say they do not work, and also to the political leaders of this world. we read the information in ukrainian and metallobinets said that, unfortunately, the defenders of azovstal have never seen representatives of the international red cross. there are objective questions for this respectable international organization, since it was one of the participants in this extradition and surrender of the ukrainian military and should have guaranteed at least their health er, what do you think or how objective is this, an objective claim to a respected international organization, and more than objective, and this is unfortunately true, er, yes, we had the opportunity to communicate with

by some guys who have already returned from captivity and they confirm that the red cross has never visited them, why weren't there two christs there? question, but i think that many people saw how peter, peter mauer, the red head of the red cross, he and you can say hugged in the photos with lavrov, that's why i'm more than sure that they maintain ties. maybe we don't know how close, but the ties are they are the links they support that. and i think that uh, they can somehow influence this process. the question is why they do n’t do it . just put pressure on them, they don't want to get in touch with

us, they don't want to communicate with you. i even want to say that the relatives who call the red cross say they are asking, even though i want information about my relatives who are prisoners of war, the red cross advises pray like this well, it's almost like the pope is praying - pray , my children, and everything will be fine with you. okay, but it's with this next stage of liberation, after all. well, more hope has appeared for what will happen next and , after all, everyone will return as after your return, it is possible that some new contacts appeared, a new job appeared, new directions, of course, of course and you know, i don’t just believe, but i know that the comments that have returned will now work 100% , click on the return of your boys from captivity and i think that people should open up now

ours, how do you know second breath ah, because these people have returned, who are not just faces , they are leaders, who are leading behind them, who are going from the front, and i know for sure that they will do everything possible and impossible in order to return all to the last. what did they tell you about your relatives who are still in captivity? they know where they are and in what conditions, but in reality, of course, it is impossible to find out about all of them, because there are a large number of them, as far as we already know, and hmm, for example, - to my husband, eh, i have a in principle, what kind of information was left and you know that he is in captivity. that's all. hmm, that's why , mrs. liliya. well, we have already asked the ukrainian soldier of the azov regiment this question, i will ask you , is it true?

reproached for the fact that they primarily exchange media characters, well, that is, people whose photos were shown on tv, whose photos we saw or videos we saw, or what surnames and nicknames people hear. and those who are in the shadows, they are. well, they are not primarily exchanged something here is certain injustice, that is, in order to be embraced in the first place, you have to be well, almost public , a public person, it is like this or not. my husband is also not a non-media person, and yes. some number of media people returned, but most of them were those who were at all on the driver's license. whom did ukraine know that they were, but who in the face of their names didn't know them, that's why i think that you still know that it's some senseless riot that can appear in people ah, hmm, we know that, well, okay, yes, drivers but

again i emphasize that among them the commander who will er work simply at 200% in order to return them all thank you very much mrs. lilia lilia stupina was with us on the air we are moving on from the prisoners to the pseudo-referendum on the occupied territories what is happening there now this the theater that russians call a referendum let's talk with andrii magera, he is a former chairman of the central election commission of ukraine, we will remind andrii, we are glad to see you, we congratulate you good day, can you hear us mr. andrii, andrii magera is on the phone, we see him, we hope now we will hear some more information while we are establishing a connection in the kharkiv region they detained an accomplice of the russian invaders who during the occupation of izyum held a senior position in

the police, the kharkiv regional prosecutor's office informed about this with a notice of suspicion of a 43-year-old former police officer of the city of izyum for treason in the conditions of martial law, the second part of article 111 of the criminal code reads: we inform the prosecutors that during the occupation of izyum, this former policeman voluntarily went over to the side of the enemy, first he was given the position of precinct inspector of the police in the so -called izyum district police department of the kharkiv region, and later he was promoted to the head of the department of precinct inspectors. well, in july, the traitor together with the russian military and fighters of the so-called lpr came to his former colleagues and took they have work books after the liberation of karpivshchyna, the assistant of the occupiers tried to escape, but on september 23 he was detained, is andrii mageru with us? please tell me, former deputy head of the central committee in the temporarily occupied territories of luhansk, donetsk, zaporizhzhia and kherson regions, let's remind you on september 23, it already started like that yesterday. we started a quasi-referendum

in these territories about joining, as it were, the russian federation. about autonomy and then to the accession to the accession of russia, so that the entire region joins as an independent state, although with the referendum itself, the declaration of an independent state, in fact, there is no such thing there is also no question in this the so-called ballot de facto and de jure are part of ukraine, they are simply occupied, as it were, stolen or squeezed by another ukraine, well, less so, the occupation authorities offer ukrainians there to vote at home on the street in newly created polling stations they are in shops and sometimes in cafes. well, together. we and the so-called members of the election commissions also come to the local armed people, the so-called machine guns. andriy magera with us. andriyu. once again , good day, i congratulate you. and we congratulate you. well, how are you ?

you name, you qualify, you observe, we are waiting, it is obvious that these pseudo-referendums are not illegal or illegitimate, some kind of event is absolutely worthless, a worthless phenomenon that is illegitimate by virtue of its fact, that is, it is not even necessary to prove everything. well, the important thing here is that such actions are not necessary somewhere in the international courts to recognize as illegitimate that is, all the countries of the world understand all this perfectly, the only thing is that the ukrainian side should inform the world about such a fact that is happening that it contradicts the ukrainian legislation that it contradicts international law and that any country in the world that dares to recognize such facts should, in fact, be that it is rushing to break diplomatic relations with ukraine, and those persons who came as

international observers should be subject to criminal law measures for illegally crossing the state border of ukraine. i think that the ukrainian side should clearly prove to the world community and foreign countries about its position, mr. andrii, and what do you think of the text itself, or should we at all to turn to him or not, but well, as the classic said, it’s written like a moron there, look, i’ll just read it zaporizhia region yes, in ukrainian there in russian ukrainian language so in ukrainian you are for the exit of zaporizhia region from the composition of ukraine, the formation of zaporizhia region as an independent state and the entry of an independent state into the region and joining the russian federation with the rights of a subject of the russian federation or at all can these three questions be combined together? combine into one question and put a checkmark well,

if it was a classic, truly fair, legal, legitimate referendum, please of course not , of course not, according to international standards, there cannot be three questions in one referendum at once, it is impossible because, conventionally speaking, a person can support one do not support two other questions and so on. that is, it reduces a person to ohms, everything is clear and uh, even pay attention from the point of view of even russian legislation, even let's abstract that there is no there is no ukrainian or international law. just like the constitution of russia and their laws, what should be there? there should be an international agreement concluded on the one hand with russian between the russian federation on the other hand. zaporizhia oblast or kherson oblast is one moment, another moment in case some foreign state joins the russian federation, let's imagine some

foreign state. it is according to the russian federal the corruption law is formed only in the form of a republic, not a region, not a region, nothing, only a republic. what kind of republic is this, if it is the zaporizhia region? that is, there is violation after violation even from the point of view of the legislation of the russian federation itself. that is, it all boils down to caricature. it cannot withstand criticism from any point of view. point of view, even from the point of view of russian legislation, and by the way, after the war period after the second world war, was there any similar practice of one country seizing another the country held some kind of referendum there regarding joining this country. well, with the exception of russia, i don't take abkhazia, south ossetia, what other territories are there in transnistria. i think they can hold a similar one, or is it at all a world practice regarding conducting well or if the country seizes territory, she simply declares them

as her territory, well, at least that was the case during the second world war and before the second world war, but the seizure and the holding of referendums. this seems to be such a new hybrid reality please, you are right, this is true, at least on the european continent, i will not talk about africa, asia, maybe latin america, but on the european continent, after the end of the second world war, there were definitely no such cases in history, we can mention here that this case is more reminiscent, but there are also differences but this case is more reminiscent of the events of april 1938 in austria, when a month after the capture of this austria by germany , a so-called anschluss referendum was held with a result of 99.7 votes in support of unification with germany, but even there the situation was different, because there were at least some

legitimate authorities in austria as such, which at some stage took part in this anschluss, we do not have a single legitimate authority here, it is the zaporizhia regional council, the zaporizhia regional administration, or other bodies there is nothing legitimate about local self-government, that is, everything is organized by the occupying authorities. yes, thank you. i didn’t argue with this anschluss. please tell me you were there too. please tell me you remembered that they didn’t have legitimate authorities. well, why is there one deputy of the regional council, yevhen balytskyi , a former deputy of the verkhovna rada who sits and represents there, and now i am your legal representative for the avengers you're talking and he still remains a deputy of the regional council and the regional council for some reason did not pass a decision on him, but

medvedchuk, who was recently exchanged there for 120 azov citizens, is still a deputy of the verkhovna rada and he did not apply any sanctions against him, moreover, in what status he advised, in what status he is now, it is also not clear whether he remains accused of high treason or he has already been charged by the court, apparently there were no legal methods of depriving the mandates of various chargers who have a representative mandate of the verkhovna rada and local authorities, in particular such as the regional council, please understand that from a formal point of view both balytskyi and medvedchuk represent voters, but balytskyi does not represents the regional council in any way, no one authorized him to do so, and medvedchuk does not represent the verkhovna rada of ukraine, what to do with them, but if we take into account the balytskyi, nothing prevents the zaporizhia regional council from remote mode , that is, invisible remote mode, and even

in the eighth mode, it can gather in at the session of the zaporizhzhia regional council, after all, carefully look for reasons for the early termination of the powers of a people's deputy of the balytskyi regional council, i don't know all the circumstances, but i think that it is possible find what concerns medvedchuk, there is a more interesting situation. the fact is that there is an exceptional, exceptional list of grounds for early termination of the powers of the people's deputy contained in article 81 of the constitution of ukraine. he did not submit a statement voluntarily about drawing up the powers, it was a matter of chance, but there is another nuance from the point of view of criminal procedure of the code of ukraine, a condition for the exchange of such a prisoner as medvedchuk , although he is a citizen of ukraine, is that medvedchuk submits a written consent to such an exchange, that is, a written consent to the fact that he will leave the territory of ukraine this means that he voluntarily wants to leave the territory of ukraine if he wrote such a written

statement and without it he could not be exchanged , i say it is guaranteed because the criminal procedure code prohibits otherwise, that is, if such a written consent is, in my opinion, it is an obvious evidence of medvedchuk's desire to leave the territory of ukraine and live abroad, and according to article 81 of the constitution, we have the fourth point, which provides for the early termination of the powers of a people's deputy in the event of a permanent departure residence outside ukraine the same applies to mr. rabinovych, although he did not write a written consent. but he has already been outside ukraine for 6 months , that is, for more than six months. this is also a topic of how it is possible to work in the verkhovna rada and prematurely terminate their powers to obtain such a path . the procedural status of medvedchuk is now transferred, and who is he there, as far as i know. he has or the status applies to august

2022. it was possible to exchange it only in the presence of a conviction by a relative court persons after the month of august of this year, changes were made to the criminal procedure code and this can be done, including with a suspected accused or a defendant, the proceedings will not stop in the future . court and through an announcement in the national mass media and further in absentia he will be convicted by a court of ukraine, moreover, there is a single exception in the criminal procedure code when in at the court session before the transfer of the case to the court , an interrogation was conducted, including mr. medvechuk, that is, a new post by mr. medvedchuk, which will form the basis of a further trial in

absentia, this is actually a draft law, please andrii magera, lawyers, all for the first time, the deputy head of the center aside, and thank you for participating in the panel thank you very much, we are, as always, professional analysis and volodymyr volya , an international political scientist, is already with us, mr. volodymyr. good day. good afternoon. i already wanted to speak in the evening, mr. volodymyr. well, which of the countries can to recognize what russia is doing now on the territory of ukraine, their pseudo-referendum, potentially, potentially, north korea, syria, well, there are still dependent states, uh, for many other states, uh, well, anika ragu , the whole thing. refrained even from saying clearly that they recognize crimea as russian yes, you saw how lukashenko until recently and we recognize but we do not recognize and we do not

recognize but we recognize that is why i do not exclude so that this time i may have a clear position or a clear the position put forward by lukashenka that you now recognize all russian annexations of ukrainian territory, as for other states, i do not think that there will be anything drastic compared to the positions that we saw during the voting of the national assembly on march 2, 2022, when the states supported and urged russia to stop hostilities and withdraw its troops from the entire territory within the internationally recognized borders of ukraine, and at the same time, again, two or three more than 2/3 supported ukraine, that is, they voted for russia for this call they didn't support. only five states, russia and who

is belarus? china comes out of the five countries. as for china, i would now draw the attention of the leadership in beijing in all possible ways to the attention of the leadership in beijing. well, putin can become, among others, the father of taiwan, not even just the independence of taiwan. what's more, because if china doesn't directly condemn this time putin's tricks are referendums, tricks it's because he says that in two days there will be a referendum and it will last for three days. that's how you show yes, they will walk around people's residences with automatic weapons after three days,

they quickly draw up the results, which are known in advance and the next day... e federation of the federation formalizes all this as the inclusion of the territory in the same way as taiwan can and the subject of a referendum in two days we will hold a day held a referendum approved the results and a referendum on let's assume that it will become another state of the united states of the states of america and immediately hide under the umbrella and under the nuclear shield of the united states, this could be a scenario that is why i think that here it is necessary to very carefully pay attention to all those governments that take a neutral position that these are tricks with territorial subordination, subordination and annexation with the help of of nuclear weapons is a means of such action uh uh this is very very trojan such a method that

may one day be applied to them as well, mr. volodymyr, today well, almost all social networks and some even official internet changes write in particular about china, something extraordinary is happening there, in particular , a possible coup in china and the arrest of xi jinping, the official head of the people's republic of china. they are even discussing who can take his place , and they write on social networks that ex-secretary general khudzentau could seize power while everyone zinkiv flew to the sixth samarkand summit. well, they write that already the former secretary general means that he remained in the support of the former prime minister vinyat zabau and a member of the standing committee of sumpin to establish control over the central security bureau and already about 80 km axis a convoy of military equipment is going to beijing and it seems that there

are a lot of canceled domestic or international flights. how true can it be ? what do you think, as an international reviewer , china is known to be a very closed country and we know very little about what is really happening there or whether there could be a shift . i am asking everyone, the situation really looks strange, that is, nowadays i can no longer be surprised. nothing, even in those situations in which everything seemed to be predicted and everyone knows what. convoys of chinese military equipment, this is not something strange, they can move, some kind of military training is possible, uh, this is the transfer of troops, the second moment when the pandemic was, well, these measures with the cancellation of a large number of flights by the movement of military personnel, large-scale movements , including this, were also two years old, those who they paid attention to the chinese reality for the

first time so that a military convoy went there. quarantine and the military applied a large number of military personnel because one thing is to block all entrances and exits, and there are even inside these large cities, with a population of several million, there are also quarantine zones and the military applied military medics and deployments. and i don’t i saw signs that some kind of problems had arisen in china, so that it would be impossible to get rid of zimpina directly, that is, if we start from the political realities of china, then china's internal political realities, then china, on the contrary, over the course of time, vintina came to such a state. international heights and unprecedented, that's why, at those plenums of that year, he was equated there in terms of

his contribution even to mao zedong and denis opin, that is, to the development of china, and from the fact that the guests with intimacy returned normally , moreover, i i will tell you interesting, interesting things like this so that you can understand about the chinese themselves. yes , this is what has turned out now. wait a second, it's simple, it just needs to be quoted, that is, i told you that this summit visit, these calls to this summit started a new a qualitative stage in the development of something a and the front page according to the results came out, it is already the ball that will be reviewed according to the results, and the participation in this summit has already come out with the following title: guiding star on the big road or often the chairman of the people's republic of china is sitting with the american

himself. came and enlightened them all where to go where to move and where to develop that's why i don't see any i didn't see any signs that there should be some dissatisfaction with something in china yes, there are crisis phenomena there which were connected with this excessive investment in real estate construction, they are keeping this situation more or less under control, yes, they are putting the brakes on it under control, and that's how these quarantines were, but there are certain negative moments in the economy, because they did not come out on those growth rates that they planned, i.e. not departures , including due to putin's war against ukraine, but there are no such drastic things. at the same time, it cannot be ruled out that someone uh decided uh in

chinese in chinese summer scarlet fever or not may be out of the rules and that's why, um, that's a small percentage too, but it could also be because the rules are the rules, and from what tokaev said when he was teaching from the intin, when he was handing over the kazakh order, such words were said that we hope that under the leadership of siedenpin, the chinese people will reach new heights, and this is the question , did kai know that sil pin was going to be in power for sure, and was he going to be in power? and was it such an element of politeness? from the point of view of what i am i have seen a follow-up eye for many years and i do not see grounds for elimination from the point of view of political and social