that someone uh-uh decided uh-uh in chinese in chinese fly you say no can't it be outside the rules and that's why uh it's um that's also a small percentage but it can also be because there are rules there are rules and with what tokay said when he was teaching from the intyn and awarded the kazakhstan order, the following words were said: we hope that under the leadership of the zinkov network, the chinese people will reach new heights, and this is the question, did kai know that all of the zinkovs will definitely be in the future -e zname- is going to be in power and was it such an element of politeness. but again, i am not surprised by anything. from the point of view of what i have seen and monitored for many years, i do not see any reason to eliminate these zimpin from the point of view of political, socio-economic, or other

international circumstances. thank you, sir. thank you . to volodymyr volya, political scientist-internationalist, we end this hour with volodymyr volya and move on, what creatures are not capable of choosing something else and we in ukraine like to choose everything, even if it is insurance on hotline finance hotline finance insurance of course online every week the saturday political club helps to understand the processes taking place in ukraine and the world vitaly portnikov espresso host and invitation experts based on facts give their assessment and forecast of the development of events want to understand how our today will affect our tomorrow see the saturday political club that saturdays on espresso

we continue our broadcast on 16.01 on the clock and today, saturday, september 24, thank you, thank you for being behind expresso, the whole team of our channel works tirelessly so that you know everything that is happening, and we are with you we were looking for answers to questions that are important to us, vitally important, now today is exactly seven months since the first full-scale russian invasion of ukraine. we continue the analysis and continue to invite intelligent guests, as always, to answer our questions. good afternoon. please tell me what is happening in the occupied regional center with regard to this so -called manifestation of will and how long this process will take. will it continue, what will its consequences be, please , the so-called referendum continues in two guises, these are

mobile commissions near m.m. in residential areas, which sit forlornly without having any voters near them, and go around apartments and houses where everything is much worse. because here it still depends from how much these commissions managed to recruit , let's say this, people who will then manage and do and how much time and inspiration they have to insist that the door be opened for them, and if it is already opened, insist that people they really voted, of course they voted as it should be here, the entrance goes in different places uh and threats and persuasions and let’s just say there are even

reports of the use of some kind of force by those occupiers who are accompanied everywhere there is no where else there are no cases where this did not happen accompanied by the russian military in armored cars . there have been no visits so far, and the main exception is the front line. actually, villages and towns that are located somewhere within 10 km from the front line, where in general, there is no activity observed either of the first type or of the second type , that is, they do not sit and do not walk. well, in addition, there is a third option for holding this referendum, which, in fact, after four days of voting like the previous ones, so to speak, in apartments or in public places, it will be voting at

stationary polling stations, at the moment they are not yet open to citizens, i generally reported that all polling stations are located, but all the propaganda reports that the russians are making now about this referendum, as a rule, they refer to these stationary polling stations, and they do it not even from those places that have always been polling stations, at the moment we do not know where these voting rooms will be located, they probably motivate it by the safety of those participants who will still be there , well, to imitate because it is this whole referendum is why we saw yesterday a report from, say, the porch of the kherson drama theater , where about 30 people of various ages gathered there with russian flags, who all smiled so stupidly, as if they were standing in line to

vote, today, the same thing happened the report itself is approximately from the palace of culture in novaya kakhovka, where, in addition to the fact that these people were with stupid smiles, it seems that they are partly the same as those who were in kherson yesterday, and they also brought two alleged observers there, one of them is tomos rioper, who lives in russia 20 for years, they have an instagram blog called anti-spiegel with false followers, and at the same time he introduces himself to spiegel journalists, which really gives him such respect among all collaborators, he already came to kherson oblast in march when they for the first time, they made such alleged visits by foreign journalists, and now, of course, he will see and draw something there, well, it is not so important, because

the picture is not bad for those who want to write. that is, everyone is happy, where everyone is happy, who is there it is their truth that before this visit, they themselves, uh, somehow, not very well. there are any observers at all. well in addition to these people who are under occupation. perhaps there are some international representatives from abkhazia or nicaragua or south ossetia or some from eritrea. there are international observers . i was just describing the same thing. the first time the observers appeared was one of them. i wrote it this one. rover and others did not introduce themselves, who he was, he allegedly spoke something similar to the russian language in serbia, maybe that's how he

played, maybe he really doesn't know russian, and well, i'm talking to the representatives of the official authorities , because we spoke with a representative of ours in latvia as our public journalist. he said that even some member of the european parliament from some ultra-right, ultra-left party . balagan, but there are no official delegations, there are no official delegations, these are the marginals who actually live in russia and come there to work for some kind of stipend that they are paid. i guess that's all. i think that they are unlikely to come to kherson region because they are simply afraid to come, not understanding that sooner or later the people of hymers will still put their

signature on this ballot in the referendum and therefore it is dangerous for their lives to just come here. i think that in the donbass, too, there are european marginals of which, unfortunately, there are quite a lot and not only the ultra-left and ultra-right, and in latvia there is also a russian-speaking population that still supports putin because it is quite safe for them so far if they have citizenship, all the more so i think that on kherson oblast should not expect this. such observers wrote that putin has been personally directing all military operations and plans for the last few weeks and he would not allow the general to leave kherson. although they told him that he should be left, it seems to be true because we really are now we are observing absolutely, let’s say, the

lack of rotation of russians, if before the beginning of august these rotations were there, and then there was a slight reinforcement only from the newly mobilized donetsk people, and the last thing that happened in september was after all after probably long attempts, they were able to move several hundred kadyrov soldiers to the veliky aleksandrivskyi operational area, they are not at the front, but already not far from the front. apparently, the second line is covering the bodies from deserters, and, as for the attempts, they are reinforced not by people, but by material resources primarily with some kind of fuel and shells, the russians had a complete blow here, because despite the fact that they managed to repair the destroyed bridge across the lock channel, the lock passage at the novokakhov dam

after covering it with rubble, it was quite long and exhausting work that cost the lives of many russian drivers and many cars and dump trucks, and yet they began to let traffic through this bridge, and in view of this, the armed forces of ukraine just really strengthened their fire control and now they are trying to let the last two caravans she cost this caravan complete destruction firstly - these were gas trucks that were completely burned and secondly - this is all the day before yesterday and yesterday, this is all at night, more precisely from the day before yesterday to yesterday and from yesterday. as of today, these were kamazs with ammunition are also detonated and everything is destroyed, that's why their supply is so much under threat that the generals should understand it, and they do, but putin says no, sit down.

what is the next four years for destruction or imprisonment? that the right-bank kherson region is doomed to be liberated and there are no options here, i will now say simply as eh let's say it like this, forgive me for calling myself an expert in logistics the fact is that eh, yes, the dnipro, which is now getting colder and colder eh, there are six dams eh -e is behind each the dam has a significant supply of water, all these dams, except for the kakhov dam, are now under the control of ukraine, and there is nothing to prevent draining a little of this water in order to raise the level in the kakhov reservoir to such that it either overflows through the dam from the soap that uh- they built an even more crushed stone

bridge 100 more precisely and further flooded flooded more precisely all those crossings that we now use with the help of pontoons and the march uses from the left from the low left bank, therefore, in principle, they are doomed to actually be surrounded despite the fact that they control and the right left bank hmm throughout almost the entire kherson region and all of it in particular on the left and almost all of it on the right bank and nevertheless they will be completely cut off from any supply except perhaps helicopters in the event of such flooding and this of course suggests that there will not be there will be no fuel to take out those who are now sitting in well-fortified positions, e-e, in particular, and on the ingulka, it is practically very difficult to smoke them out from there , or it is impossible with the forces with which, let's say

, the aziz during the kharkiv counter-offensive only that the difference is that they will not be fleeing to exactly where the dnipro will be cold and it will be well those who will cross with some improvised means or boats that they may have prepared for themselves there, they will certainly not return to take the next batch out and here it will all end very it's sad for them, it's joyful for us, if only then there wouldn't be such revenge with the help of artillery already against the liberated territories, as we are already observing. thank you, mr. volodymyr . end of the topic thank you for your participation the united states will never recognize the results of pseudo-referendums in the occupied territories of ukraine and their annexation by russia with reference to the statement of the president of the united states jabayen reports the website of the white

house the american president emphasized that russia violates the un charter quote the united states will never recognize ukrainian territory anything other than a part of ukraine, the russian referendum is a deception, a false pretext for an attempt to forcibly annex parts of ukraine in gross violation of international law in including the un charter, the president of the united states, oleksandr klyuyev, is already with us, political analyst, mr. oleksandr, we congratulate you, i apologize oleksandr klyuzhev, vita saw it, and taras zoftenko, an expert on national security problems, joins us, congratulations. good day, dear guests, experts. then explain the scheme for what the russian federation is now he plays this theatrical performance, which is called a referendum on occupation, for part of the occupied ukrainian regions of zaporizhzhia and kherson region, and also in part of donetsk and part of luhansk region, we are asking for the ultimate goal, which i think is now obvious. the

first goal is traditional for putin. he always tries to demand respect for himself through escalation, how he perceives this respect and the opening of certain diplomatic channels, and i think that after all, this tradition to try to achieve political results on the global stage by such means of blackmail is also part of the current e-e situation friend goal second goal in my opinion, after all, it is connected with the internal political situation in russia putin a non-public politician, we should not forget about it, now his situation is stressful, he has never had such a situation in terms of experience of political struggle, groups of disappointed er-e conventional patriots of russia appeared who do not understand what is happening, why the so-called special operation is going on for so long and why in the armed forces of ukraine are attacking parts of the front and he had to give an answer to this

group of citizens who are gaining strength in russia itself , putin believes that the so-called liberal part of the russian electorate will not be able to raise its head, but those so-called patriots of russia. they have a certain power, especially against the background of such a large-scale war against ukraine, and that is why putin had a certain framework for the vision of the future in this part of society, and he gives it to us. despite all the difficulties, he says with this the electorate has a certain territorial seizure, we are now uh, hmm, under, in fact, under the attention of the whole world, we are implementing our audacious scheme of capturing these territories and here is your uh, future, that we will forget to defend these achievements, which are therefore after all, domestic political eh

consensus and domestic politics is a certain track , it is extremely important for putin now, because the dynamics of the plan that he had is really going astray, he already looks weak to a part of russians and this is an extremely big problem for him. well, the third task of this is this is more local, but i would like us not to forget about it. if putin hopes that he has seized a part of our territory for a certain period, he actually wants and the entire occupation administration wants to control the citizens who remained there. and in general, in this pseudo-referendum in my opinion, it is directed , among other things, to smear the citizens who live there, so to speak, and that is why such a chosen method is not only because of certain security points , but it is their way of controlling the population, walking around houses and entering apartments the so -called members of the commission are accompanied by armed people, this is a way of

essentially clearing the territory, and it is happening right now among the civilian population, and you can never forget about those people who are now living in such extremely difficult conditions, sir taras, please, well, actually, i agree with mr. oleksandr, but in addition to the political moment that putin has, in principle, against the background of what is happening now at the front and against the background of the successful contrast with the armed forces of ukraine, not only in the eastern direction, but at a slightly different pace in the south as well well, he needs to have something that can be sold through his own propaganda to his own electorate as a victory against the background of the fact that, in fact , his army is not coping and even the mechanisms that he tried to use before are not working. announcement of partial mobilization this is a search well, so to speak, a hidden mobilization search for so -called volunteers in places of detention where his

personal e pygynets drove the beauty and we saw it's all these moments and the uneducated aspect here is connected with the fact that again, because of these referendums, at least formally, from the point of view of internal russian law, and the attachment of these territories to the occupied territories of ukraine to the russian federation, putin hopes to have a formal reason in order to demand an end to the contrast of ukraine because, well, if in the future after the pseudo-results of these pseudo-referendums are announced, it is clear that the processes of joining these territories to the russian federation will be launched and they will take a minimal amount of time. it will be , i think, well, the year will go on, on, on, hours , in fact, yes, or there for a few days, and so on, well, the russian leadership will be faced with a rather interesting dilemma, yes. that is, if, from the point of view of their internal legislation, this is the territory

of the russian federation, they will certainly have their own internal propaganda and political reasons to demand, well, at least an end to the contrast of the armed forces of ukraine. yes, and then. well, the situation can develop in two ways, it will either be a formal declaration of war in ukraine. well, if it is a direct threat directly to the territories that russia considers its own, then one more nuance is needed. it is very important that these territories will be declared russian within the administrative boundaries borders, that is, in fact, there will be a situation where, from the point of view of the russian regime, if ukrainian troops are located on the territory of the russian federation and here, either putin will continue to raise the stakes and declare war openly and officially, or he will be forced to somehow react to this new reality in any case, the first one is a potential other option, which ones, which decisions

can be made by the russian regime, and they will, in any case, be used as a political tool of blackmail, political an instrument of pressure not only on the ukrainian authorities, but also in principle on all western allies. well, we remember all these regular references by medvedev himself about the judgment day, about the apocalypse and about the use of nuclear weapons, which the russian leadership is now actively discussing in such a, well, at least verbal format, about the use the threat of nuclear weapons, oleksandr, you did not mention this at all. i think that this is the main reason for which these performances are held, which are called a referendum, so that later formally and not only de facto but also de jure they understand the russians threaten ukraine with nuclear weapons, they say that this is already our territory according to our military doctrine if there is a threat and we can use it, what place among the arguments of the russians in order to start organizing

this pseudo-referendum was occupied by this official threat with a nuclear warhead i think that i think the threat didn't arise just now, it's just that in putin's last address, putin said more emphatically about these things, but they always allowed for the possibility of er at the level of political rhetoric the onset of such a level of conflict, but i still perceive it as part of putin's strategy, once again, as a traditional method of blackmail, to try to open new diplomatic certain tracks, and he will hope that within the current situation of the current threats, part of the western the elite will call on their society from their power to enter into a certain dialogue with russia, he still hopes for this. living in our ukrainian conditions, we no longer perceive such large-scale russian aggression so acutely, but i do not rule it out

that for part of the western elites such a clear article is such threats can be a problem and some discussions will take place and not always these discussions will be unambiguously on the ukrainian side, so i think that here, after all, within the limits of this strategy to constantly blackmail and receive without real actions certain results, they will be implemented by the putin administration and we will see after certain meetings of the state duma of the federation council er-er certain threats that russia now recognizes er-er to this so-called independent republic that er-er had the pseudo-referendum was organized by the military commanders and after that we will use all the means to protect these territories and it will be a challenge for the western partners of ukraine. i think that the task of the ukrainian leaders of the ukrainian elite is to

work very intensively with their partners to explain to them that actually there can be no concessions to the blackmailer. this is important daily work, diplomatic work, political work, and in fact it is possible, i would not rule out that the president of ukraine will have to repeatedly and directly appeal to the various societies of ukraine's western partners in order to convince them that it is not possible to follow this predicted path that putin is imposing now, he is trying to impose, he hopes to impose that through threats uh-uh, some kind of dialogue will emerge as what he is essentially trying to uh- e at the end of the past from the end of last year before the so-called special operation when he tried in his own way e threats to invade ukraine e recognition by western partners that he is equal at the table and he again despite all

what losses did he go through? as the leader and dictator of russia since february 20th, he is again trying to follow the same path. as it was earlier, today in russian cities there are actions against the war in ukraine, therefore about detention in irkutsk, in lano de novosibirsk, tomsk, or those in khabarovsk, how much of this action do we see , was the hole closed by 15 people or 10, well, this is normal now . well, up to a thousand people were detained the day before at least how many new waves of such riots can there be in russia or how much can be expected? well , because mobilization and a large number of families

will be affected by it, shouldn't we count on resistance from the russians, gentlemen? i think it's worth counting on it , because these people er, they were called from the enterprises, er, they were taken from home, they will now arrive at the places of study, they will then arrive, possibly already on the territory of ukraine, and after er, people will see the real er, where did you bring them, er, there will be a reaction b russia itself will have a reaction in the families of these people, and here it is not necessary to assume that someone will realize what the tragedy of russia's invasion of ukraine is, people will simply clash regardless of their political views, maybe they will continue to support putin, but they will really see what is happening, that they are thrown in unprepared and destabilization in russia after all will be in connection with

this, and even i think it will be after everyone arrives in temporary places, placement of training, training grounds and so on, because there is already a mass of information that the russian system does not cope and in fact, russian propagandists in their telegram channels on the air admit that the system is not working, but can you imagine the shock for those people who lived for themselves and thought that the war did not concern them at all, and here for several days the system is completely unprepared and throws them somewhere even for training and there will definitely be destabilization. the question is whether putin's regime is capable of reducing this destabilization by force, by disarmament, by various other means. well , the question here is because, after all, the war against in one way or another, ukraine is bleeding the power

vertical that exists in russia itself, but let's hope that the destabilization will be significant . p taras well, what will be the effect here, people will be afraid of this law for 10 years, will people still justify it? sorry , as many as 98 people were wrong, 1,998 people were detained as of 15:00 for this 150 million ants, please, there are two aspects here in fact, in this situation, the first aspect is purely organizational, that is, to what extent will the russian government, the russian regime, be able to, well, at least with the observance of some minimum adequate norms, yes, to carry out and continue this mobilization , because we understand that, well, these are the declared 300 000 e-e, at least formally, yes, it is e, well, if

this mobilization, these 300,000 of them do not appear at once, it will be waves, yes, that is, well, relatively speaking, e.e., to mobilize such a number of people at one time, well, even russia with in principle, it is not capable of such a totalitarian vertical and complete militarization of the state. we see indeed a lot of systemic problems that the mobilized russians face already when they arrive at the location when they receive the same rusty automatic weapons. well, these are all video yes, we see it on social networks and on messengers, and it's russian propaganda , obviously, it is absolutely not ready for this situation.