er, the level of trust in any words of er putin has dropped to almost zero and it is very, very difficult to negotiate with putin with russia in general, accordingly, only those people who have some history on the point can be mediators, well, undoubtedly, saudi arabia has a very large influence on putin and along the lines of opec and under the guarantee of, for example, such a person, well, certain things were done because, well, it was a very organizational, difficult operation, at the beginning, how difficult it all was, how much art was shown by our people, the custodians who engaged in this exchange because it goes well, there is absolute mistrust both from this side and from our side, and thank god that i will let everything go, our boys have returned home, you are just uh, it is the means that we started the columns, and we must remember

that thousands of ours remain uh in the territory to russia, even those who brought er people who were discovered. that is, this is also the first bird and i am very glad that these people have returned to a normal life and they deserve a lot to tell you. well , look now, the referendum will take place, this is it, when did it end on the 27th four days. here they are will announce that all these regions of ukraine voted to join russia. what do you think will happen after that, will there be a quick accession or will they keep them in this status, they are already independent and ready to join? will they say we will first liberate its territories from the ukrainian nazis and then will we join them, or will they join, ukrainian nazis on russian soil will say

what do they want to do? to say that we are here, that we will be here, well, putin actually said that it won’t be, but little, they are conducting fake leases. okay, and the technicians left this territory, they did not ask, they asked in sakhalin oblast, they will ask sakhalin oblast , in sakhalin oblast, polling stations were opened in the jewish autonomous oblast from to vladivostok yes, please, in germany, in the west of ukraine, in frankivsk, in lviv, in all those cities where internally displaced persons have lived since the 13th year. to say say and then we will look at the results

of this referendum that there will be a lot of voting there, there is no problem, but everyone who lived in the territory of donetsk luhansk oblast, zaporizhia oblast, kherson oblast as of the 14th year should vote in this i recommend no question mr. mykhailo, the last question for you is literally now , when a pseudo-referendum is taking place in the occupied territories, there is information that they continue to take people from the occupied territories to the front, eh, what is russia's logic here at all. they they actually take even more and even less motivated people than the citizens of russia, why do they do it well, they have always done it like that, they do n’t know how to do it any other way, it’s a bloodthirsty system, it’s always been like that, a person signs a tick

, what is he here for the donetsk republics to separate from ukraine. everything goes to the front to defend their check mark. they stick to completely unfit fighters. meat. well, we told him that he needed a mass, just a mass to go with a three-line machine gun. it doesn't matter, and throwing meat is an infantry tactic. the red army well, there in 1945, it goes in waves of waves, it's gorgeous, at first one wave, it knocks out er by 90%. anyone can be there in the temple. hello, fools, they grow up with a machine gun with a line of three, who will we thicken with? so they are wasting resources, uh, they are wasting the forces of the ukrainian armed forces , they are wasting ammunition, ammunition, glowing fire points, and all that other stuff and then there are already

fresh forces like the wagners, which shoot respectively in the first wave like there cadres or so on, whatever you want, all the animals mykhailo prytula, colonel of the reserve security service of ukraine, an expert in military counter-intelligence on our broadcast. in september this will be done by the council of the federation, that is, they absolutely do not delay anything, you know like a train that rushes somewhere, but they. and i am just trying to remember how it was with the territories occupied in the 14th, for example it was like that they spent in uh you mean first they appointed him after one and a half to two months then they started letting it be postponed closer and closer and closer then it was postponed practically in a week and then they literally in two

days it was resolved it's exactly the same scenario only with this difference that the crimea was controlled, but not a couple here. pseudo-referendums in the economic, so to speak, we will discuss with you a-and if we continue the topic of the occupied territories, then er-e russia will try, so to speak, to annex these territories to itself, and will it pull, and the russian economy is burdened by sanctions , er, hmm, more er-e such burdens in in the form of occupied territories. good evening ukraine. look at this question. i will say that, in principle, russia does not plan to withdraw these territories . that is, we see on the same territories that

were already liberated in kharkiv, and we see this on of other parts of ukraine where the territories were liberated, that is, russia did not invest anything there , if it did not even help with food, and therefore, so that you understand, part of even the reaction that we see from people who welcome our armed forces, our boys and girls they are happy because they finally had the opportunity to receive elementary aid from ukraine, which is not available, so russia does not plan to make any investments there in the occupied territory. sed during the years of occupation of russia, therefore, is this referendum, and the result of this referendum will affect russia, no, it will not affect its economy very much, but its economy will rot and

fall precisely because of the sanctions, therefore, from this side indeed, its economy will fall even more because as a result of the referendum and the fact that russia recognizes these territories as russian, there will be even more economic sanctions, and these economic sanctions are exactly what will affect the russian economy even more, not the same, and spending on the occupied territories well let's try to understand what is happening in our economy , the dollar is growing, the hryvnia is falling, it is somehow connected with political moments, with referendums, with attempts to reflect ukrainian history. with the second, but mainly it is the general state of the economy, that is, so that we understand in general, the dollar, like any other currency, it is tied, tied as an element, if

we say investments in the dollar - this is element eh hedging, that is, there are terms in finance when you buy currency for other countries in order to reduce your risks, and accordingly, when we see that there are certain risks in ukraine, which higher-ups are trying to convert hryvnias into dollars and into other currencies, by the way that's why the european currency has fallen so much against the dollar because, you understand, the situation in america is also not easy, inflation is high now, the federal reserve is fighting inflation by raising the interest rate, so it's not just the united states here either america, but compared to europe and even more so compared to ukraine, the situation in america is still much better and much more stable, and that's why ukrainians invest in the currency, you don't buy the dollar in the first place, so this situation is connected

with the fact that people after all, they see that this is a risk that russia will annex these territories because we know putin's rhetoric that now we will attack russia directly, that is, no one cares that it is a pseudo-referendum that no one recognizes this referendum but according to the russian standard, we will now attack the territory of russia and russia can resort to blackmail there , nuclear, and so on. well, this creates corresponding risks to which ukrainian society reacts, and in principle, i consider the post what is the real state of the ukrainian economy in general, see of course that is, the situation here. in fact, i would say it is more positive than negative. well, at least this is how it evaluates, perhaps, the average of ukraine, that is, if we say from the beginning of the economy - from the beginning of the war in february, we had somewhere around 75% of enterprises stopped

partially or fully 75%. at the beginning of the war, now this percentage fell somewhere to er to 15. that is, we are even more. this war that we will win this war that we have everything for it the economy has started to recover what i mean by the economy i mean businesses that have started to work and that have started to open of course there will be certain monetary shifts negative things for example we have statistics that somewhere even up to 15, maybe 18% of ukrainian business, i apologize, 12%, somewhere up to 12, 10% of ukrainian business have moved to other countries, that is, to poland, romania, to neighboring countries,

they moved precisely because of the fact that there are these risks and well, that's it. unfortunately, it will have a more permanent impact, but in general the economy is working and the enterprises are working, and what's more, i'll tell you , look, i was in new york this week and we opened the global ukraine foundation - it's a fun defense foundation that collects and motivates investors in the united states and in the whole world to invest in ukraine, there is one investor who is the head of a venture fund of one. he said that they have already collected 50 million dollars in the evening of metal, which they plan to invest right now in ukraine. this is only one investor, and there are hundreds of such investors. and i i spoke with such investors in germany and in other countries who are ready to invest in ukraine right now. that's why i still believe that everything will be fine

. we will win and that's why the plan and the economy will be okay if they already started talking about it. -is assistance to ukraine from other countries, in particular the united states of america, to allow the transfer of russian assets to ukraine was requested by the us ministry of justice, he appealed to the congress to pass laws that would allow the transfer to ukraine of the actually frozen 300 billion, which we talked about for a long time, these are russian assets, in your opinion, to what extent is this possible and in a certain time it can be carried out like this, so look at it. it is really real. it will be such an unprecedented event, because, in principle, the problem here, and by the way, unfortunately, is not in the world the practice of such mechanisms where these funds could be confiscated and immediately transferred to ukraine, but they are being created, that is, the fact that they are not there, the fact that they were not used does not mean that they cannot be created accordingly, for this,

legislation is required, certain steps are required for this, and it takes a little time uh, about the bills already registered in the united states, there are grassroots representatives who are lobbying for it and they will pass these laws, the main thing we need is the support of the united states of america, because it is at this level that we have the largest number of frozen russian assets. that is, it is measured in the region of 300 billion dollars, and this will be the main guarantor and the main investor precisely in the development of the ukrainian economy, so we want to get these 300 billion. i have met more than once with oksana markarova, our ambassador, and with the ambassador america in ukraine and with congressmen, the issue is discussed repeatedly on stage, and they do it in order to lobby for it, we also lobby for it at our local level and at the federal level, but at it will take time, we say, well, i tell you so

, at least a year. and as for the impact of sanctions on russia directly, is it allowed to work, they work, and they work very well, what is the russian propaganda about uh, what about the russian ruble, is it stable that the russian company is working that everything is so good, in fact, this is all propaganda, this is all part of the disinformation spread by the russian federation. my colleagues are serious economists and financiers who constantly conduct research, including very good studies are conducted by the yale school of economics and other well-known economists, fake tanks, and they show very simply how much the russian economy is actually collapsing, and it is permanent, that is, it is very important to understand that ukraine will recover after the war,

more business will come to us more investments , the russian economy will not recover, it will fall and will continue to fall for a very long time, because those enterprises that are already, as it were, a flywheel, it has started and is already working constantly against russia more and more companies are leaving with all of them, there are more than a thousand of the world's top companies that have completely left russia, and those that have not left, they are now simply adjusting everything to leave russia with the smallest losses and they will not be going back, well, take such a company as siemens , which in for 150 years, russia has been and imagine after 150 years it has completely withdrawn from the russian market. that is, it is a colossal loss for the russian economy, it is already measured somewhere in the amount of one trillion dollars, and it is not easy that these companies will leave the russian market , that is also millions of jobs. but the worst thing for

russia and the best thing for us is that russia will completely lose contact with the international market, that is, with international technologies and innovations, because as a rule, for this company, they created a multiplier for the russian now this will not happen. and tell me. how do you think that in russia the russian leadership at the level of putin understands all the economic consequences of putin's adventure, because i have the impression that the specialists understand some kind of on the run with the villages and putin himself just has a minute left, i will say yes, russia has become because of your own propaganda, and the information that putin receives from the front is what they receive from the economy, it is all from er, it is detached from reality, so you are right say i think that the specialists are the people who really went against this propaganda, they understand it, but the russian leadership

does not have complete information . let's turn to one more important conversation on the player program. this is pavlograd, the president of the world congress of ukrainians. we welcome you, mr. pavlo . congratulations. thank you . will carry out unfortunately, on ukrainian soil, to what extent this legal mechanism can be brought out in the conditions when we are talking about a nuclear state is already being built and just the delegation of the world compress ukrainians are indeed participating in the general assembly of the united nations this new week, where we discussed this very issue with key leaders and also influential non-governmental organizations regarding this

issue . the main questions now are what should be united to form an international tribunal, this is in addition to the international criminal court, it should be one and the other, there are limitations, there are opportunities for the international court of justice, this is about war crimes; the second is about trials, we are working with western countries so that they adopt laws that allow the confiscation of frozen russian assets around the world. how do we know that they are frozen ? and it is important that the second country that you could already take that money and use it in the development of the enterprise, the world congress called on the assembly to create an international war crimes tribunal passed i just told

you in a little more detail, but tell me, as a person who communicates with many foreign politicians and the west understands that it is quite difficult to reach a fair decision, for example, in the case of a green house when it is located on the occupied territory and when international observers are not allowed there and when they are allowed well, first of all, i believe that we are not on the same side of the territory and can start these processes, but still we have seen it. ukraine already has research on these war crimes today, we see that international organizations are already working to collect evidence and this process has already begun, that is, the collection of

information, the collection of evidence has already begun and the world understands what is needed to open a tribunal was formed and started to be reworked not after a few years, but today it started working, because this is one additional method. will it be the united nations or will it be the council of europe? is it the european union? this is africa south america asia is exactly where we focus our work attention and actually continues 7 1 the topic actually is the war in ukraine and there were a lot of statements

about this most countries united in condemning russia us secretary of state anthony blinken accused putin of destroying the world order charles michel, the president of the european council, even called on the un to suspend russia's membership in the security council, because in reality this is a defense for the kremlin of its presence in ukraine. is it really possible to deprive russia of such an opportunity and how realistic is it to suspend russia's membership in the security council? i think that at least it is necessary to suspend and the right to veto, as not completely, as to eliminate it, there must be very serious pressure from all sides, and we see that uh, many say that this is impossible, but we see that in the last six for many months, everyone said it was impossible, and it happened , so we have to continue to promote it, and we really need

to strengthen again these countries that voiced africa, south america, asia, so that they join in this, and that is why this visit, which is going to the minister of foreign affairs, is a good idea to take the brothers to africa and it is very important and very important that we work hard on those countries that will have these votes, so that russia is really excluded from the security council. the minister of foreign affairs of russia lavrov also spoke at the meeting, saying that the country of the west become a party to the conflict for russia if they support ukraine. and why do you think russia was allowed to enter the general assembly of the united nations and the states tried to come up with something there to deny them entry permits or what why were they allowed and how exactly what was the reaction of other countries to such statements by lavrov. well, i think that the whole world. as you can

see, how they voted, they even gave permission to the president to virtually speak before the general on the ground. what we can see is that there are more than 100 countries in favor and seven countries against. we can see that already it is clear. what are the people, the united nations assembly stands behind ukraine, the question is how far they are ready to go, and this is our most important task. today, in order to convince these countries, country by country, to protect them, because this is a violation of the united nations charter itself, that is what russia does and it is also very important that it was not created for the world from the west against everyone else and this is exactly what russia is trying to do, trying to create it as a conflict with the united states of the west and that is why they are trying to use it again in africa, asia and the south america, and it is possible for us to read ukrainian, for

us, as ukrainians of the world, to work in those countries under the conditions of which citizens understand portuguese in portugal, in brazil, in spite of portuguese in argentina, in spanish, and so on, and so on, and this is simply a process that we need to start it quickly, but make it clear that the citizens of those countries must first understand what is happening in order for us to overcome this russian disinformation, which works very hard in those countries that he voiced, and we just have to work on it so that as countries have become stronger in the defense of ukraine, well, let's try to understand what the diaspora can really do, how it can help ukraine , how it can give the image of this war to those countries that may not be so interested in realizing the military danger that this is happening and in every country, and it is very important to tell in the wrong conditions, but in the

thinking of those people, how are you supposed to understand this war of russia against ukraine? they don't understand how it is. that another country can attack another country. something ukraine has stopped something. no, we have to tell them, let’s tell africa in the words of colonization that this is just a russian improvisation, they understand it, they lived it for a day and a half years ago. heard, but it is also difficult because, for example, there are many, let's say, in the mediterranean countries, dubai or all of them, it is very difficult to even go out into the street, and very often even our ukrainian activists are persecuted in those countries, and we stand for ukrainians them, but they must approach such political issues

very cautiously. but it is possible for us to speak meat or uh and uh work with the media and with politicians and with uh with non-governmental organizations that can join this and speak this truth and really there are a lot of friends of ukraine all over the world, we just have to announce them and fight against this disinformation of the russian language, this is just one of our conditional priorities in the diaspora, the main thing is that i will tell you the priorities, the following is the first - it is a weapon, the second economic support the sanctions will be confirmed and obviously the war against the russian distance is included in all those issues , sir, sir, i would like to ask you, er, precisely against the background of this russian mobilization, which we talked about today, the entire program, after all, there are almost 2 million ethnic ukrainians and now it is very difficult to assess the situation related to them

. in your opinion, ukrainian organizations in russia have already been defeated. what can be done when ethnic ukrainians are actually being mobilized to fight against ukraine? this is also part of this whole policy. is happening, especially when it comes to some ancient regions inhabited by ukrainians there, there is a green wedge , there is also demobilization in full swing, what can be done about it, i don’t know if it is possible, but i just wanted to exchange opinions, this issue is very, very difficult and we are already fighting against it, i would said the ethnocide that is taking place in russia against ukrainians already, since the 14th year, it has become very acute, but maybe it still existed. today we see that, well , even before the war, all the russian-ukrainian organizations in russia were liquidated, all our activists who there were members of the world congress of ukrainians who were threatened. many of them had to leave

russia, and things are going very, very hard, and we see that this is a great pity in our history. is it also in other situations where, unfortunately, we fought one against the other? behind this iron with a jacket in russia, so that they do everything possible, so that , first of all, they hold on to the ukrainians, so that they do not give themselves to pasivka, zombie captivity, so that they do not

submit to mobilization. works to support ukraine and we will literally continue our broadcast in a few seconds wild creatures are not able to choose anything else and we in ukraine like to choose everything even if it is insurance on hotline finance hotline finance insurance of course online what we continue the saturday period, the club on the espresso tv channel, vitaly portnikov on the air, let's continue the topic of russia, after all, it is the most relevant, the most relevant this week, putin's statement, a great appeal to russians, in particular, was this week, speak