of the world congress of ukrainians pavlograd thank you , mr. pavlo, we wish you successful work to support ukraine and we will literally continue our broadcast in a few seconds wild creatures are not able to choose anything else and we in ukraine like to choose everything even if it is insurance on hotline finance hotline finance insurance of course online what let's continue the saturday period, the club on the espresso tv channel, vitaly portnikov on the air, let's continue the topic of russia , after all, it is the most relevant, the most relevant this week, and putin's statement, a great appeal to russians, in particular, were ah, this week he talked

about a lot of things and about pseudo referenda in the occupied territories. and he actually announced mobilization. your analysis of this address should pay attention to. it seems to me that mobilization is less important here, in fact there is nothing important for russians. it is important that putin wants to annex some regions of ukraine to russia, i will tell you that there are certain pain points of russian sacredness precisely in popular psychology and not in the psychology of the regime, let’s say the popular point of sacredness is beyond doubt there is crimea, putin has hit a sensitive spot here because crimea has always been supported by propagandists, it is supported by propagandists in the times of the empire and in the times of the soviet union, crimea has always had the most important wars in crimea. russia was defeated . and when the country is defeated, it becomes a special topic for her, the crimean war in principle , changed the face of europe forever, created the

modern europe that we actually know, therefore, of course, when it came to the annexation of crimea, this is a very important issue for russians, but donbas, no, belarus, how important is it to annex belarus? it doesn't matter much for russian national psychology. belarus is good, it will be part of russia. okay, it won't be perceived negatively , but it won't cause popular enthusiasm. ukraine , it will completely cause popular enthusiasm. kyiv, yes , because this is also school textbooks, prince volodymyr baptism russia has russian cities , where did the russian land come from? it's clear. belarus well, what's not clear? well, minsk, poland, well, that's all . well, vitebstvo is still the name of the regional centers. for russians, as bryansk kursk, you understand donetsk from luhansk, ukraine is still kyiv, you understand, kyiv, chernihiv, this is all this space of northern

ukraine, because it has the sacredness of this chauvinistic psychology for the russian people. so i think that all these conversations that we will help people there donbass is for you simonyan, but mobilization is important for the people. now, regarding mobilization, you see that putin really did not want to go on it, and he delayed it until the end. why? because he may find himself in the same situation. ulyana as it turned out in 2020 oleksandr lukashenko oleksandr lukashenko suddenly noticed that belarusians do not like him, but in principle from 1994 to 2020 he lived in complete confidence that belarusians love him, that they are in love with him. by the way, this corresponded to a certain extent to a very long time the time of reality , it was essentially a fascist dictatorship , fascist in the windy sense of the word, now i will understand the word, that’s why seli fascism is clean water and many people like fascism, the simple ideological regime of the father, the people’s leader, all for

he is in charge of all of us and keeps us all like that . i think i would say that fascism is fused to a scoop, it is close to ideology, and in this respect they loved him and loved him. and at some point they got bored of him. by the way, this is a disappointment, it was largely connected with deterioration of the social situation, and here all this nonsense was revealed , she should not have been out of sight, do you remember that during the protests of 2020 in belarus, firstly, they were massive, and secondly, on the first day, what were these red-green flags republic of belarus already after a couple of days, there were white and red flags of the belarusian people. i really hope that sooner or later, when lukashenko's regime falls, and the dictator himself will be arrested and imprisoned together with his entourage and family , then these flags will once again become the state flags of the republic of belarus like this a similar situation can happen with putin, why do i still believe that love for putin is love by calculation, in

principle, russians i mean in the political sense of the word, he does not know how to do otherwise, he does not fall in love with uh, leaders, uh, falling in love with leaders - this is a ukrainian characteristic, but we ukrainians love for a short time the south of love to hate. as you know , this is half a step. all ukrainian presidents have experienced it. those who have not experienced it. they will experience it many times in our history. the most, yes, the most bloodthirsty, ivan the terrible, joseph stalin, that's all the best, the rulers of russia, because they were terribly afraid of going outside, because it is not known whether cutting off your head will go somewhere eh they will be lucky. there is such a fear of

putin, but there is a special love for putin, which, after all, is connected with such a calculation to a certain extent. there was love and the first decades of kindness because there were products, people loved products and a stable life, then when sausage began to disappear from the stores, and then milk, then butter, then oil, then sugar, then toilet paper, then cheese, then uh, everything that hasn't yet disappeared, then grocery stores started renaming leonid ilyich, they didn't like him anymore, they made fun of him, they feared him as a system the soviet one, but they laughed at my excuse, this is a fact that you and i cannot deny. people in russia never lived as well as under putin, auto dollars, they shared the flow of this money, large pensions

, large salaries, especially in the capitals, european standards of companies for shopping, mass trips to egypt, to turkey, muscovites and st. petersburgers to europe, we saw it all with our own eyes and here suddenly it didn't just end. that is, it's all prohibited , that is, it's impossible to receive money normally. banks are in dire straits, of course, the dollar has a low exchange rate, but it doesn't matter because there are no western goods, what does it matter what is the dollar exchange rate when you still can't really buy all this, jobs are decreasing, salaries are getting smaller, minsk is getting smaller, the economy is shrinking, mr. sheremet told this and here before this holiday mobilization is also added, that is, from a poor, disorientated country, men begin to be called en masse to join the

armed forces, from where they have every chance to return in their graves, and at the same time, it means how such candy is offered by patriotic hungary. and now they will defend donetsk, luhansk, kherson , zaporizhzhia region, what happiness, and here it is very interesting how it will in principle intensify from the point of view of sentiments, you understand how much people will feel deceived by putin because, on the one hand, there is no triumph and no wealth, but only grief and shame. so what i think that, in principle, putin has started to make decisions that may not be easy for him, what do you notice now that the protests have started, but the protests, of course, are not so massive that for putin it is important and significant

somehow, look at putin, like lukashenko, for ten years we went in the right direction, by the way, in this right direction, i mean for myself , viktor fedorovich yanukovych left in 2010, he started preparing a repressive apparatus, a machine, an apparatus of pressure on society just at the moment when the protests began, this the apparatus was not yet built properly enough, there were still oligarchs with their own interests and you, for all this regime of yanukovych , whom people also began to fear little by little and it simply collapsed by itself, probably no putin is building this the apparatus of the decade is the apparatus of coercion, and was this apparatus built during the chechen war to fight against terror? russia is a typical police state, because when you see a person in uniform, you understand that she is the master here in this space,

not you, if you put a military cap somewhere under the window of the car, you can do whatever you want on the street, because you know that the policeman will treat you as one of his own. that is, it is still a corporate power state if you show the id of a police officer or a fsbeshnik. you can actually carry out any actions in any public space because everyone will treat you as a person for whom unwritten rules and unwritten law mean you and this is a big power apparatus he is big he is well paid he has a wide-ranging agent network as in russia itself and beyond its borders, and this apparatus is primarily aimed at taming society, the idea is the same as in belarus that if they come out en masse , we have to defeat them. by the way, i am absolutely not joking, because i remember this conversation with by russian political scientists and political technologists of the times of the

arab spring, who asked us about it. they did this in a close circle. they received tasks from the kremlin from putin . to the popular uprising, he follows the path of mikhail gorbachev, glasnost, political parties, discussions , discussions on television, competition, this does not mean that this immediately leads to the fact that you get rid of power, especially if you control economy and this economy gives society, but this means that instead of people going out into the streets, they go to the tv in television studios or watch television programs, by the way, as it was during the perestroika, there were big rallies, of course, but they did not threaten the authorities. the authorities destroyed themselves by means of a coup d'état

, they tell me that putin is not interested in this, it's all bourgeois germany. and what interests him. he thinks that such a popular uprising will still happen. to understand how to defeat them. well, i say. well, how to defeat them is probably not the kind of thing to discuss and didn't wash then. currently, this is a question for the ministry of internal affairs from the federal security service, what power capabilities do they have? what do you think about it in general? this is how they think about it. that is, they need to understand and build it up so that no matter how many people get out onto the streets in moscow or st. petersburg, so that these people can be deactivated and, at best , mobilized to destroy the plantings, and this is the principle of many people in russia it is clear that there

cannot be any protest in our sense of the word, the kind we saw in ukraine, because i want to remind you that the ulyanochka maidan was there, relatively speaking, when i remember well , the rally on december 1, so-and-so was called the hermit of millions, there may not have been millions there but 6,700,000 people were sure to shout. people came to the holidays . they came with small children. they didn't expect any action from the police, and from other structures, of course, there were actions to disperse the maidan before that . when they dispersed the students, uh, after that, but people we are sure that if there is a huge number of them, no one can raise a hand against them in russia, the situation is different, i remember mass rallies in moscow, they are immediately surrounded by a larger number of police among the participants, strong they are specially distributed in such a way as not to give people the opportunity to get out of it of copper, even if people are not going to stay there and want to leave, they cannot leave, they go through the police borders where they will most likely be provoked and

beaten. i always, when i attended a rally for my professional duties, are such positional or just people's rallies? i always scroll carefully in my head a map not even of the surface, but of the underground passages in order to understand us at what moment i should go to this or that subway station or to this or that underground passage to the chat room to another alley. just if you have lived in moscow for many years, you can imagine at least the network of alleys, as they know, people usually come to the center of moscow, not everyone lives there, and you understand how you can go out so that you do not get caught by the police. especially since your in this case, a journalist's license can serve as an additional incentive for you to be punched, and this is a whole science that no one here has ever studied . how to pass, let's say, on independence square so as to bypass all these

streets that run like arteries there on sofiyivska square and so on , because i specifically, with this in mind, this moscow experience specially scrolled through the alleys between er sofiyivska square and the volodymyr maidan so as not to walk along the arteries but for the people of kyiv - this is absolutely nothing to walk there and we will pass like this and it can't be. flares up in one point, unites such a critical mass of people against which force cannot be used, this revolution is not organized, it is an arab landing, so that the square and horseradish fear it, and it, this revolution has no other purpose than to punish those who they were afraid that this was the answer to the fear of tearing them to pieces without asking about the level of responsibility

, that is, there was no leader of any kind, accordingly, when the german troops were standing near moscow and the party apparatus, a large number of them tried to leave moscow, and the muscovites and this was an asset of the soviet regime, suddenly they began to beat them and rob suddenly these party workers saw that moscow is not at all a friendly city for them or them there. in principle, they hate everyone, they are just afraid, and you, moscow, for the most part, is also a city in which everyone they hate these people and if only it breaks the tension a little bit, relatively speaking, if the working-class suburbs of the capital can't stand it, and in russia i don't say that there is no significance from the divisions, the only thing that matters is what will happen in moscow if these suburbs of moscow decide that they can go in this mass people in the center, it will suddenly turn out that the moscow intelligentsia, who write in texts on

facebook, will simply kill policemen with umbrellas, and we will see a sea of ​​blood, and what will have to happen for them to come out like this. it will just happen the boiling point is now. putin has put this cauldron on the stove. he has already turned on the gas, he has already brought the match of death, the impoverishment of the lies of the authorities, their self-confidence, they will behave more and more defiantly every day . and the people, because in principle the idea was like this, we live for ourselves, kill whoever you want, shoot whoever you want , please don't do it to all of your contemporaries. it's your business, we are small people in politics

не участвуем участвуют let's go to the front and this is the moment the prelude to the third russian revolution begins, it will be terrible, i'll tell you right away there will be hundreds of thousands of victims, there will be very serious excesses, there will be situations when conscripts from some regular units of the russian army will kill officers and residents of those areas where they will be located and where will they start all this because they will rob them there will be refugees why our side also by the way about refugees the attitude is very different of various european countries, in particular to a-a this russian mobilization in lithuania, for example, will not consider it a reason to relax the rules of entry for russians in this mobilization, and the netherlands is ready to accept citizens

who will flee. are waiting for mobilization, these are not ideologically oriented debtors of the regime, but people who are simply saving their lives. and it is absolutely unclear what level of instability these people can create in such countries, where a significant part of its own russian-speaking population, such as lithuania, latvia, estonia or even finland, and in countries that are far from this and that have a historical heritage of accepting russian deserters , such as germany, there was a russian liberation army in the wehrmacht. there were exactly that many soldiers in the army of general vlasov, russians like to tell ukrainians about the helpers of fascism, let them remember the million russians who served in the army of the general vlasov who killed russian and not only russian red army soldiers who were a very important part of the reich military machine and general vlasov

remains one of the most important historical figures in the history of modern russia because it was an alternative to soviet marshal stalin or nazi general vlasov 2 totalitarians and vlasta looks even more human with less blood on his hands than the winner in the second world war of generalism stalin so here is a question, so to speak, of the history of russian people, if it is told truthfully. so i understood it later. lithuania, latvia or poland can start from a simple matter. putin needs to mobilize a million people. he says so, this million will still be found even if they accept a certain number of people, say 100,000, this does not mean that putin will not be able to carry out the mobilization plan at the expense of other people, and maybe let those people who do not want to go there go to the armed forces, this can also be such a cynical calculation, but i apologize to the russians from the first day of the war. everyone said

that this situation will definitely affect them, that they should not think that they can survive this period. well, how do you know , they didn't give any answer to this question, they always convinced that it was none of their business and none of theirs war now when it turns out that this is their war, many people, it is true, many people made their choices immediately, some were there after 2014, and some after february 24, 2022, there was also an exit from russia. but why not as massive as after the announcement of mobilization, because there were no immediate threats well, then let her let it be let it be why should the lithuanians or poles now report these people who could not even solve these issues and then i liked him very much. these guys are already coming back, they are already running out

of money and they are already returning to russia because time is doing more fun. well, they are back are there some itishniks or someone else who has run out of money and that now they are being mobilized and without money they will go to serve to knead the swamp somewhere er not in donetsk to be killed maybe it would have been better to stay where they were looking to somehow find a job to find an opportunity to somehow survive, this is also a good question, you understand, you said about the participation of ukrainians on the russian side in the war . here the question is whether such people will be motivated and what is the logic of russia in that it does so. i think that

when they are i have my point of view when they mobilize people in the occupied territories, see for putin it is very important that there is less funerals in russia because there are fewer funerals in russia - this means less social burden on the war , the second moment when they mobilize people from the donetsk or luhansk regions, now other occupied regions can be added to them, because i am already russia, so they let them in first for and this is what i told you, mr. prytula, in order to identify the firing points of the enemy, it means that these people go and find out the firing points according to their goals, they simply die en masse, this does not concern anyone, because in those regions where they live, in essence, martial law there is a military dictatorship there for what reason in donbas in general since 2014 well, that's all, and then these scenarios are already going on that must die in a different amount, this logic is the real logic of nazism , they use these people as countermen

simply as cannon fodder in the literal sense of the word for that for them to show where a russian , a person with a passport, a family of russia can go, and in order for him to still survive. from a military point of view, it is better . from a funeral point of view, it is better. they do not understand what they think about their motivation , you spat on their motivation, they should go and die . and what is the probability that, for example, in kherson or the kherson region, where the level of ukrainian resistance is quite high, for example, people will go to rallies against mobilization. the question is that i repeat once again in a military dictatorship has been established in kherson, and this is a very important moment from the point of view of what we are currently observing. a military dictatorship is a military dictatorship. do you remember that there were rallies in kherson in the first days until that moment, until

the national guardsmen and the fsb officer did not appear in kherson region, and they began to state, so to speak, how to say it, to contact the population, well , i think in general, when we liberate kherson, there will be 10 best people, you know, that's a lot. they started to destroy activists, destroy active people, intimidate everyone others ііі all this is quite serious . how do you understand the referendums? i would still like to talk, and actually they continue in each er in each of the occupied regions, it sounds there in its own way, the question is whether you are ready to join the russia would you like to leave ukraine, create a republic or oblast and then join russia?

it is obvious that the vote is against any international law, but it is surprising that this was done so hastily. and it is absolutely ugly. why were they so poorly prepared in your opinion? this is at least to make it look as decent as possible, see, in principle, from the very beginning, they were going to hold these referendums after the russian troops entered the administrative borders of donetsk luhansk, kherson, zaporizhzhia oblast. why these regions? i will already explain. it seems to me that even repeatedly in donetsk, luhansk oblast, these are regions that were occupied in the first place in 2014, if you remember, and kherson oblast is needed in order to provide crimea with water and resources in general, because apart from you you see, economically

it is squatting, and zaporizhzhya is the energy supply of donbas, everything here is quite logical, they were waiting for the moment all the time. when, after all, the russian army will go to the administrative borders, it will not came out, moreover, after the ukrainians knocked out the occupiers from kharkiv oblast, there were generally reports that the referendum was postponed not due to an indefinite period of time, that even the political technologists who were engaged in their preparation under the auspices of the deputy head of the administration of the president of russia serhiy kiriyenko, they left the region. why did this happen now ? putin's trip on the highway putin was driving on the highway, thinking that he would show what kind of master he is, the head of the people's republic of china meets him, the prime minister of india meets him, and he is like that

he is the master of the situation. by the way, the prime minister of india condemned the fact that he was not happy about the war between himself and everyone there. everyone said that hey, let's end the war as soon as possible. well, he decided that he was being told that . quickly finish and record at least for the moment his political achievements if he says that he is annexing zaporizhzhia, kherson, e.e., donetsk, luhansk region, that this is russia, he can live on the first with nuclear weapons, some other weapon is mass destruction, but today they used chemical weapons you know the weapon, yes, it’s not in the south. well, here it is , this one begins, and he then thinks that in any case they will talk with him about the concessions of these territories, that in the future negotiations with

ukraine, they will already demand to recognize the russian statute from crimea, donbass, kherson, zaporizhzhia , and there, what else is there? what will it be possible to try to get away from? it's a simple idea. and as the referendum is held and it doesn't matter , it does matter what the state meeting will be. i think the federation council, you saw them. the picture is not normal they prepared when there was a referendum in crimea, it looked like a soviet referendum in the soviet vote, school flags, people who walked with uh, satisfied faces, all this was on tv, well, listen, in donetsk, even there, they were not able to vote in any decent situations, did they see them for someone there in a shed, there is a paper or something like that, they just come to the table standing, of course, that's all about it. i say that this is a big problem for them, but i don't think so. i think that he doesn't have enough pictures right now, so to speak

fixation of political achievements with further blackmail by the enemy. here is the full content of the referendum. and what do you think lukashenko will say about this referendum ? he will recognize it. well, what does that mean? he already recognized crimea, but he was never legally there. he did not recognize crimea in the dpr of the lpr. did not recognize, well, he de facto can recognize russian territory. well, some of this, what is the difference? what in this case, why do you care about lukashenka 's position from this point of view ? will say if he simply says that he recognizes the dnr and the lpr and it is necessary to recognize it because it is simply the donetsk and luhansk regions of russia, that there is no one to recognize him , i will not ask to know anything, it is simply russia, belarus has