i'm a worker - workers go to factories or enterprises that no longer exist. they don't exist. it's hard for me to understand where in mariupol people are going to be fired en masse. to the polling stations to hold a referendum in their voting processes. but again, let's not not to detail individual stages, well, in particular, i often have questions, for example, where were the ballots printed on the spot, were they brought, what levels of protection are there, are there observers, it all does not matter, because there are no signs of the referendum process today in these in the regions, there is no other problem - it is the participation of civilians , their coercion to complicity is accurate. we can not say this for 100% about those who took part in the organization of this imitation because, after all, certain commissions were created, the number of which is small, but people from with boxes, along with soldiers with machine guns , they walk forward to the door. everyone has seen this video not

only in ukraine, in the west, in the world, but nevertheless, these people commit a crime for which responsibility is provided for up to 15 years of imprisonment. what are we talking about civil ordinary citizens voters, the usual situation here is somewhat different, because if armed men came to their house with machine guns, there is a small choice, either not to open the door or to leave the house early, or if the door has already been opened, then it is likely that the majority will take part in ticking these pieces of paper but er, well, this does not make any sense because as a result of any legitimate or in a process with a sign of legitimacy, there will be no problem only in the safety of life and health of citizens, and one must understand the consequences of this pseudo-referendum, what is behind it there will be a mass organization of men who still

remained in the territory of the occupied territory and are not under the control of the government of ukraine. unfortunately, passportization will then create real legal challenges. was it their will, or was it a choice between life and death, ms. olga, what to do with those citizens who organized this referendum? verification of involvement in illegal activities regarding the organization of the referendum, the attention of the four thousand people involved in the organization of the so-called referendums, the office of the prosecutor general reports that more than 390 so -called members of the territorial election commissions who

organize this referendum have already been identified. of the occupation administration of zaporizhia region, the head of the election commission of the so -called occupation administration of zaporizhia region oblast to the heads of the administration of berdyansk , yakivskoye otg melitopol, as well as the melitopol district administration, 4,000 people, a huge number, this is an encouragement, an encouragement , people under coercion, people, or for ideological reasons, are they fans of russia? they went to work for this referendum. what do you think? i think that these are different people , but they are collaborators frankly, because it is very easy to answer with them, to open criminal proceedings, to start a pre-trial investigation, to declare a suspect, since we do not have physical access to them, respectively, portals and mass media, as provided for by procedural legislation, to judge in absentia, if necessary, to issue sentences

, to announce a wanted list, including an international one, so that these people do not have the opportunity to leave the border of the russian federation, because i am sure that this is our territory, the territory will be was released and that they were generally also subject to sanctions. i understand that these are to some extent political decisions, but history shows that it is necessary to develop the topic of justice, since after the 14th year of proper the world's reaction to this referendum is not, but i would say the proper reaction from the law enforcement system of ukraine or the judicial branch of government, too. we monitored court decisions regarding the holding of an absurd referendum on the territory of the donetsk region of luhansk and crimea. and these are isolated facts, we see that people who participated then in the organization of these processes, in some places they felt great in the territories controlled by the government, they were not persecuted, there are sentences, but they are not very attentive, they are so very, very loyal

, because the judge always has a certain, certain framework from and and very soft options were chosen, but compared to the 14th year, the situation is developing dramatically, and i am convinced that the law enforcement system and the courts should respond to this properly and not refer to practice when, unfortunately, we lost the opportunity to show that in the name of the state of ukraine, people who committed crimes that resulted in war crimes, acts of genocide, crimes against humanity will be convicted because the occupation leads to the fact that someone is tortured, kidnapped, killed, and this is also cause, consequence, certain connections between the pseudo-referendum and the events. but again, within ukrainian society, we have to talk about it and discuss it, but if we talk with our partners, i would not focus on the four thousand laboratory workers, because first, this

number is very small, this is a fact compared to the total specific mass of the population of citizens who did not cooperate with the occupation authorities, who left or who are under occupation, nevertheless do not interact with illegal formations or, above all, by the armed forces of the russian federation, when we talk about this problem, but we keep silent about how many ukrainians do not go to the collaboration, it looks like some internal section of this conflict in wars there are always collaborators and this is a big trouble, but we have to learn the lesson of the 14th year and properly now these people should be condemned and on the maximum scale of sanctions, not as it was before, even if the state will not physically have access to them, when the territory is liberated, they will definitely leave it

of their own free will, and they will not sit and wait for the prisoners to be taken away by us. in this way, at least we will free the territory of ukraine from the collaborators, and we will not then decide the moral issues of what to do with them , mrs. olga, i really want this situation, i wanted it to be so i just wanted to say that we have limited time, and madam , i already wanted to ask about the deputies, but we now have a large number of deputies, not only of the verkhovna rada, but also of local councils. which ones have either already proven themselves as collaborators or, er, it has not been proven yet. we can not say but everyone knows that they worked there and e-e they asked the russian world what to do with them, how can we deprive them of their mandates, how can this be done before the next elections, no, of course , we allow them to be deprived, but for this, a separate track has been defined for the parliament and deputies of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, separately for local self- government bodies the law on local self-government

clearly states that a convicted person does not have the right to hold a representative mandate. we don't have convictions anymore. i mean a collaborator . he is a deputy of is an honorary citizen of the city of glukhiv well, we also have deputies of a lower caliber who were in his team, his party is represented in local councils, see ukraine, er, this is definitely not russia, true. we have the prospect of calling ourselves a legal state. yes there is a problem, but we are also developing our justice system, i am convinced that the reform of the courts will still take place, and under the pressure of these circumstances that we have today, there are no problems to start a pre-trial investigation now, to pass judgments even in absentia and to deprive these persons of representative mandates , but without court decisions, it will have weak

legitimacy and will be similar to the situation in the russian federation, when everything depends on the will of some groups of people who want to be elite and therefore have no respect whatsoever for legislation domestic even which you which they form but which they raise this issue including annexation of the territory no to international law you and i are not like that and uh just these processes it is necessary to speed up and put it a priority uh for of the state thank you very much mrs. olya olga aivazovska was with us the head of the board of the public network support natalya gumenyuk whom we promised operational command south spokeswoman from the south mrs. natalya congratulations glory to ukraine congratulations we were supposed to talk to you earlier but we were told that you have some drone attacks tell us what is happening in the south of odesa, a kamikaze drone was attacked again, three drones

hit the administration building right in the center of the city, e-e , rescue operations and fire extinguishing are currently ongoing fortunately, there were no victims, but one drone was shot down by air defense forces. this attack happened very early in the morning. of course, we expected and understood that after the previous attack, the repetitions would be right in the center of the city. and if they hit this building correctly, how big are they? what are the consequences of it then catching fire or something? well, because this is a relatively new type of weaponry. yes, these drones are controlled, they change their route during their flight, according to our observations, we can already say that, they are looking for a suitable target and are redirected according to e-e adjustments during the flight e-e hitting they carry, according

to various data, the loss equivalent of up to 40 kg of explosive liquid or substance in some and e-e, of course, a fire occurs, as a rule, almost all the hits that were before this were analyzed by us were accompanied by a fire, the eyes were targeted. what do you think now? well, they had a specific goal to attack. it is these buildings, based on the analysis of where these attacks are taking place, where they are aimed, most likely, they are aimed. if they shot down one drone, then you can already understand what kind of drone it is and what kind of drone it is, or whether it is a russian -made drone. what can you say about shahid 136 type drones, which russia labels as geranium-2? well, yesterday we spoke with a representative of the eastern operational command. he said that they are quite noisy

when they fly up he said that it sounds like a scooter. so there is already some strategy for the defense of odesa. well, in general, the south of ukraine from these drones, that is, how much longer do ukrainian anti-aircraft defenses have to protect odesa from similar well, the whole of the south is meant by such attacks, is there any strategy to combat exactly this type of attack on the city and the south, do you have air force, wind defense, of course, we are ready and our air defense is powerful enough and they are working and really uh enough as a result, depending on the distance from the ground the drone travels to be detected, this is also one of their specific characteristics.

the sound can be heard from the air, it is necessary to immediately take measures to the nearest shelter, and not to change, or simply spread out and stay away from such buildings, authorities, shopping centers, which, for example, have a very large glass decoration and can be traumatic, in addition to those that are explosive waves and so on. well, another technical question is the mikaze drone, does it drop this explosive substance or does it itself die during the attack, but we know that iranian drones are used in two modifications, we have already seen one more thing with the sound, ms. natalya, we have two modifications, please continue, please try to

call me, sorry, someone else wants you on the air , ms. natalya, two modifications, the second modification is the one that returns, gathers the situation quickly and can also inflict damage, this is the one that drops the reconnaissance and drops more explosives, yes, the martyrs die directly themselves, they are real comics, those who scout and drop mrs. natalya, the general operational situation for the afternoon, there is also about kherson that struck the location of the rozvads in in kherson, did you inform your command ? please tell us. we continue fire control over the temporarily occupied territory , identifying places of concentration of enemy forces and means. we hit them in order to weaken the

enemy by fire. three ammunition warehouses and several points control is taking place, four control points were destroyed by us during the previous day and last night, about which we have not yet reported, and also we continue to control bridges, that is, laying point strikes so that the enemy does not try to repair and use at the risk of life , including the civilian population, these transport arteries, which are called bridges, because they still try to let civilian light vehicles there to test the durability of these bridges, and this is dangerous for the civilian population ms. natalya we thank you very much for finding time for our broadcast nataliya humenyuk head of the press center of the security and defense forces of the operational command south and we are moving on mykola malamuzh

is already joining our conversation general of the army of ukraine head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine from 2005 to 1950 mr. general welcome you congratulations glory to ukraine please tell us your attitude to the active activation of the russian army's use of iranian unmanned aerial vehicles of the kamikaze type and non-kamikaze type, which are dropped with explosives are conducting intelligence work during the last few days, they very actively attacked the dnipro and odesa and other ukrainian cities and settlements and the front line including how much they can change the situation on the battlefield now, in your opinion, because in the rear, first of all, the reasons because the russian army really does not have victories, retreat in many directions, now they are trying to form a defense model, but one of models of defense are offensive operations, counter-attacks, and the troops, you can’t help me, that’s why in this situation they use

200 drones, first of all, they bought them in iran, and the drones are not strategic e-e strike complexes, but they are tactical formats today everyone is really happy on the one hand, to some extent, to hit our armed forces of ukraine, but we actually detect them in syntactical strikes, and even with weapons that are not powerful enough, our fighters can shoot down, but civilian objects are here it is necessary that his anti-aircraft system, a static system of this kind, works on the threats of drones. accordingly, we are just working out the situation, and here is exactly the first, even the strikes on odesa, which we can see, they reached some targets and were shot down, but also some strikes on admin houses, therefore, in this situation, what are they is it is dangerous because our objects are not yet completely protected, especially the civil infrastructure, and everything will create a problem

. to demand some kind of negotiations with russia with the aim that these drones and the army of drones, as they said, are russian, where they gave him gifts, but they have no prospects, and i will say directly , first of all, there is no use from the other side, eh, we have already learned to shoot them down and are actively already they are also neutralizing tactical training systems and even fighters on the demarcation line, so at the moment i think that there will be no such big impressions, but they still really pose a danger, especially those areas, for example, the south of odessa. where are we located directly from the line of hostilities? and how about you well, i have two questions for the military and as a politician. first of all, how do you evaluate these iranian drones from a technical point of view, if they are compared there with the orlan 10, for example, the russian one or the turkish one? to the rules of introduction and challenges of modern war,

how easy is it to destroy it? are our air defenses appointed by our military to eliminate such friends, and the second question, how is the politician , ukraine revoked the accreditation of the ambassador of paradise due to the use of new ones? now we know for sure that these drones were sold to the country, the occupiers received money, obviously, or some preferences, some bonuses , the iranian government and iran said that in response to the call for accreditation and our ambassadors in tehran, there will be a synchronous symmetrical response. is it sufficient? there is a reaction of the ukrainian authorities of the ukrainian ministry of foreign affairs to the similar collaboration of the tiger on the official with the authorities of occupying russia regarding the supply of these drones, please , first of all, regarding the drones, it is a friend, not someone, somewhere on the border, orlan, and even baryakhtar . on the one hand, the mechanism, first of all, the engines, they are

also an order of magnitude lower than the eagle, and even more so the baryakhtar of other western communications, even ukrainian drones, so at the moment we are not saying that these are high-precision drones, they are really they are large, they have a large radius of action, this is dangerous. but in terms of shooting them down, i think that at the moment there are no problems, they fly at low altitudes, therefore, in this situation, deploying the air defense system was not always fixed, now we have adjusted it accordingly in the air defense system. and the most important thing is that we can already at the tactical level, where our troops operate in active phases and we can develop other means, for example, with german anti- missile systems, they shoot down up to 10 m and above, so there are no problems here. what about ours? even our machine guns can shoot down good ones machine guns, that's why there won't be any problems. this situation, we say, well, they carry danger, but it doesn't appear that it's unique, it's below, because i emphasize once again, for example, according to the same baryakhtars, that's why.

this situation, i think we will successfully deal with them and are already dealing with it, but another situation regarding iran i will say frankly that i am a member of many working groups and there are no conditions regulating the situation with iran, and i plan to lift the sanctions even under obama, and this agreement was reached then by the iranians about their super friendship, especially unofficially with ukraine proposed huge cooperation programs for the entire oil and gas sector, where they have prospects. but after the lifting of these sanctions in may, then adam already started his topic, they were very hopeful of our effective help in terms of support from the side and joint actions with the usa, great britain, the european union. and here, in contrast to this we understand the actions, we saw such an open betrayal, i will say frankly, they simply went to the point of providing powerful weapons to the russian federation, and they took all the agreements. although we even had a good economic hour, for example in the aviation field, for example, in many

areas of machine-building, in the agricultural field , in fact, they are destroying this perspective due to the fact that they did not clearly know that russia is really waging an aggressive war, not only that, but to some extent i will say unofficially the period of the war and the period of the conclusion of this contract on drones i spoke with representatives of our unofficial e.e. representatives of ukraine with representatives and the leadership of the ministry of foreign affairs of e.e. iran’s security forces and you assured that there will be no such sale and here such and such is frankly stronger diesel, it is clear that they are all destabilizers, so i think that in this situation our lesson is correct, we have clearly stated our position, the ira will not be able to oppose us with half of these drones, because we are not dependent on them, they did not supply us with oil products, and we do not receive anything else from them in particular therefore, in this situation, i think we are right today to take a tough position and it will really be a loss and injury, but our

position was clear that in this country putin has already signed this law on 10 years for desertion and refusal to mobilization or there for voluntary surrender and refusal to fight and do you think mobilization will speed up internally and how will it generally affect the course of the war a whole package of amendments to the criminal code of criminal procedure and including desertion and the completion of the battlefield and deviation from mobilization , there are 12 articles of all different plans and sanctions from eight to 15 years at the moment, the repressive format did not allow anyone to actively mobilize anything, this is even more accelerated today, the departure of russians abroad, it is clear that they are now now they will already close the borders but this will incite a protest first of all it is clear that it is generated by the main events in moscow, st. petersburg and big cities right here at the very sight of the adoption of the law

they are inciting people to mass protests because local protest they are not successful why because the russian special services and law enforcement agencies of young people glocalize to accept repressions as they have been carrying out repressions for literally 4-5 days, but in the future, if it really will be violent, in many situations they simply forcibly capture mobilized, and not only that, they will already send a part to the war and will be destroyed here, for example , thousands ago, at the moment, everything has already been ruled out by the more powerful cheese, but i think it will go step by step, and even a repressive machine that makes up about 1.5 million people in russia is the fsb, the ministry of internal affairs, various intelligence agencies, the special services of the internal guard, you will not be able to manage the process, but it is a long process, we do not need to relax, prepare for serious tests at the front, even all the cannon fodder that was delivered here is a mass of people from which old weapons. but we have to resist that is why we

are fed to the systemic military operations in the constitutional motorized, but on the other hand, i carried out active work on the decomposition of these precisely mobilized that they saw the prospect of either dying or surrendering or mass protests, then there is a prospect for them to survive, this is the first in in the interests of you, they already understand that it is the interests of ukraine so that additional contingents do not come here . even old weapons are aimed at mr. mykola, again, both as a politician and as a military what is happening now in the south and east with the so-called referendums, well, for me the scenario is clear now, the imitation of referendums so that on the 30th, the already scheduled meeting of the chambers of the russian parliament will address them , the president will say, please join. well, everything is the same as in the 14th on march 16, after the so-called referendum in crimea, and then there will be blackmail of the whole world and ukraine, first of all, with the use of nuclear weapons, don't

you think that we have some kind of light of possibilities until the 30th, that is, a week in fact, there are even less than five days, and then the situation will be sufficiently changed from the point of view of russia's formal approach to this war. it can go to blackmail and us and the whole world without intimidation, and maybe in these five days we need to do something. well well, some kind of non-standard, extraordinary move. i don’t know how to turn to the world community and play ahead of the game. because it seems to me that so far we are going to the russian script prescribed in the kremlin, and not by us there or by our partners, it is my personal vision. what do you think, please? first of all, at our game, speak to our authorities, we are guiding our state leaders through other channels regarding an active position, here we need to reverse the nuclear blackmail, for example, the sun, because there the use of

tactical weapons is even more so. now the mechanism is defined. of the russian federation, as it were, putin's address to the state duma and acceptance of all territories as part of the russian federation, and then there is simply no way for mining to raise the bar to the very the upper limit of lodz's use of tactical weapon addresses, but here it is important that we do not confuse the fact that they have already declared something there. putin declares that it is practically a passive position to some extent. yes, we are talking about the president. during the period of annexation, the company once, two, or three times less stood on the verge of war in 2008. in fact, there could have been a war at night, i will say directly in the month of august, and this problem was lamented in some way, it is clear that our position is powerful in these negotiations, but not constantly and officially, first of all, unofficially

, contact with biden, contact with tears, trans , the social power of the european union, or something else, is it, for example, the prime minister of india, japan, other countries that systematically influence the russian federation, and it is clear that in the scenario of a nuclear war, it really shows his sagittarius, in september, this will be the limit. we will unite world leaders to force putin to stop aggression and even more so the threat of nuclear strikes, but it should be personal contacts at the level of some working group, it is not it works, i'm just saying that we lost crimea in connection with what was addressed then to obama and to everyone we take leaders at the level of the ministry of foreign affairs there, for example, at the level of those workers . damn the world and you chinese ivan the hindus and you japanese everything is clear european everything is already clear to you ukrainians but also to you

russians russia you see will not go unpunished this is one situation from the second situation these are the mechanisms of clear control of nuclear resources online the usa, great britain, other countries, even china , control all nuclear resources of the russian federation, show them this is the second form of action clearly to putin personally, just because of austin that everything is being celebrated, the love of preparations for a nuclear strike will accordingly have counterattacks, frankly, concretely . applied directly to the decision-making center of the land, here you need to show determination of some kind does not cure russia russia britain clearly show that there is a powerful control mechanisms very clearly preventive and reverse actions are possible strikes if russia uses weapons against ukraine because this is already the beginning of nuclear wars and this is the lowest humanity of all, well, in this situation, put such a level, and here the position of ukraine is at the level of the first

president, and we should be against such a lawsuit . be quick , you have to act every day, day and night, that is, it seems to me that we are losing time and are a little frivolous about the time we have left. mykola, we thank you very much for your time, mykola. little man, our broadcast analyzed the very high degree of the situation with a nuclear threat, and we stay with espresso, you stay at nine o'clock, which every morning at this time, we honor the memory of all ukrainians who died in the russian-ukrainian war, we honor the memory of ukrainian military and civilians with a moment of silence citizens of ukraine who died in the war